October 22, 2024 • 7 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute and Early Edition host Ryan Bridge joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Wellington City Council will get a Crown observer to address the 'dysfunction' impacting the council. Is this a good move? What do we think will come next?
Darleen Tana has finally officially been booted out of Parliament. What do we think of this? Will this negatively impact the Green Party's popularity?
Ashburton parents and kids want the council to build more entertainment facilities for kids and young people - but the council says that's not its job. Do kids really need these?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right with us on the Huddle, Ryan Bridge Early
Edition host in Tim Wilson with the Maximum Institute.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Tell are you two good?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, we're going to come back to the three strikes.
But before we get to that, do you think Tim,
it's a good call on putting the Crown Observer into
Wellington City Council?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah? I think so. I mean there's obviously massive dysfunction there.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
They're talked a bit about financial issues and financing. That
all seems a bit strange to me. But it's like
there's a toxic environment and so it's like they're bringing
in Auntie Norma. You know, I just want to the
auntie that all the kids are scared of. I just
want to know who's going to get smacked, who's going
to get sacked, and who's going to get stroked.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I think we'll find figure that out.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
The seven hundred million dollar question is when we know
who that person is, Like we knew when Lester Levy
showed up, we knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I think it'll be the same when they name the name.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I feel Ryan. The more I see of this
and the more I understand what a Crown observer is
there to do, which is literally just a knack in
the minister more, I feel like this is very much
the first step towards commissioners.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Don't you.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I don't think don't I'm not on board with that.
The previous government did one in Kuiper Out with an observer,
and it was it was not so much to tell
on the council to squirrel back to the government. It
was more to provide kind of advice to the councilors
and to the council offices about how you actually run
a council. Yeah, so I don't know about that. I
(01:25):
think the minister's statement though, is weird. And Tim you
mentioned it, you know, like in fighting that happens everywhere.
That's not an excuse to put an observer in the
changing the long term plan that happens. But this whole
water thing and the seven hundred million dollars, like, what's
up with that?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It's interesting though, Well, I think it's fascinating because you think,
why wouldn't you take advantage of local wall have done
well rather than so great payers for it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So yeah, okay, So so Ryan, what the argument is
is that you have this availability post the three Waters
thing to take out very cheap debt through the local
government funding arrangement. You can have this very very cheap
debt that you can spend on your pipes. They have
chosen not to do that, but instead to lump the
current rate pays with about a billion dollars worth of
costs in the end that debt. Is that doing it
(02:13):
that way is more expensive apparently and costs the rate
pays about seven hundred million over ten years extra. So
the decision that the council has taken is one that's
more expensive for rate pays and the minister saying that's
not the right call.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah, I know I heard that, But I listened to
your counselor on your show after five and he was saying, well,
debt's more expensive. I mean you're going to pay interest
in it, an't you?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, but if you're not taking the debt. If you're not,
is this an opportunity cost thing?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Though?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
If you're not taking the debt for that, you're taking
the debt for something else. You're still taking on they
are still taking on debt.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, I just think it's almost working backwards.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
So this statement from the minister, you know, the reason
that they got that he got involved in the first
place was to do with the long term plan and
we didn't hear anything about the water or financing of
water infrastructure. And then all of a sudden there's an
observer coming in and this sort of reason has popped up.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So are you are you saying that he is trying
to justify a decision he's already taken a bit.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Of reverse engineering.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Is that what you think?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That's what I think. Ah, No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Look, I think it's see if you guys can play
nicely together and we'll see how we go. And you know,
actually it's interesting total on when they were exiting from
the Commissioners, they did apply to install an observer as
a transitional mode. So I do see this observer as
possibly a transitional figure to the next phase if no
one plays nicely. And this is it's also a judgment
(03:39):
on on Tory Faro Meyers have to create coalitions and
and there's just been chaos all right.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Back with the huddle, we've got Tim Wilson, Ryan Bridge, Tim,
I reckon, I'm going to miss Darlien. What about you?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You know what we I think I think we're we're
all a bit politically tragic in the sense that, you know,
politics are sport for unhealthy people. This is all interesting
to us. I don't think it's interesting to people who
actually care.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
About real life.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know, remember remember back in the old days when
cabinet ministers were being pursued by police dogs and everyone
was like, why aren't they be going down with in
the polls. It's because New Zealanders are mostly a political
So I'll miss her. You'll miss her probably Ryan will
mess her too. I don't know if anyone else will.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You miss her?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Ryan? No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I must say the contrast today, you know, Chloe fronting
that press, another darling presser, you know, another batch of
bad apples and the barrel for the Green Party and
saying to the reporters that the press up. We want
to move on. You know, we need to feed our people.
They're hungry and the planet's burn et cetera. And then
you've got David Seymour, of all people, feeding those needing
(04:50):
hungry kids. This is right's supposed.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
To be the other way around. Hey, Ryan, on the
strikes thing, what I'm confused by is why Nicole McKee
is so hell bent on watering down three strikes, the
first of the original the og version down to what
she's got. Now, why why do this?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Because otherwise you run the risk of it just being
repealed again. I mean, you know, look how long the
other one lasted.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Maybe and the next lot comes in.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
So maybe she's trying to moderate it a bit so
that it actually stands the test of time. If you
make it too extreme, labor, we'll get back in, they'll
get rid of it. And what was the point?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Maybe? Why did get repealed anyway? Isn't it one of
those ones that it doesn't really matter what the logic is.
It's just become sort of it's become part of the battle.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
It's a bit of a It's a political football, isn't it.
It's like it's like so many other issues in this country.
So for example, you know, healthcare will centralize it, no
will devolve it, Education will centralize, it will devolve it.
I actually, I mean, I know I know that you're
you're a partisan fan, Heather, but there's got to be
some some kind of agreen where we go there's actually
(06:01):
some stuff we can't stop, and going backwards and for
station again.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I know, I know, I know it winds you up.
But can I at the risk of making peace, I
agree that aggravated robbery isn't a minor offense.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I thought we're getting over That was a bit of
a we're getting it too close to agreeing on things. Now, Tim,
you've got about a thousand children. Okay, what do you
make of the locals asking ash Burton Council to build
a chipmunks and a bowling alley and a gaming arcade.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I only speak boys because we got four boys. So
if a boy says I'm bored, it means one of
three things. Number one, I'm hungry. Number two, I haven't
run around enough. Number three, my Minecraft thirty minutes is tomorrow.
I want it today. You tell them to go outside,
go and do something else. And I got to say also,
boredom is the is the parent to creativity. So I
(06:49):
you know, I hived off to New York in my
mid thirties because I was brought out of my mind
and follow and Ei growing up.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
There are my teens. It actually gives birth to great stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It does.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah. And didn't you, Ryan, grow up a part of
the world where you had to go out doors and
cycle for the entertainment.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
And Mom used to just lock the door. I mean,
if we lock outside and she you know, she's not right.
You know, she'd get home from work, she would lock
us out. If we were annoying three boys in the house,
she'd just lock the door and say, go and play.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And what choice did you have?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, Oh, my dear mother, My dear mother used to say.
On a satur Day, she'd say, I'm sick of the
sight of you guys. Get out of the house. I
just want to tidy up and I'll see you in
the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Run around, d break some buns, and I have some fun.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, that's how you're supposed to grow up. Oh, guys,
I love it. I think both of you should just
keep on breeding. Well, Tim, you should get keep on breeding,
and Ryan you should get started because you'll make great humans.
Thank you, both of you, Ryan Bridge, Tim Wilson ow huddle.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right with us on the Huddle, Ryan Bridge Early
Edition host in Tim Wilson with the Maximum Institute.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Tell are you two good?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, we're going to come back to the three strikes.
But before we get to that, do you think Tim,
it's a good call on putting the Crown Observer into
Wellington City Council?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah? I think so. I mean there's obviously massive dysfunction there.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
They're talked a bit about financial issues and financing. That
all seems a bit strange to me. But it's like
there's a toxic environment and so it's like they're bringing
in Auntie Norma. You know, I just want to the
auntie that all the kids are scared of. I just
want to know who's going to get smacked, who's going
to get sacked, and who's going to get stroked.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I think we'll find figure that out.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
The seven hundred million dollar question is when we know
who that person is, Like we knew when Lester Levy
showed up, we knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I think it'll be the same when they name the name.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I feel Ryan. The more I see of this
and the more I understand what a Crown observer is
there to do, which is literally just a knack in
the minister more, I feel like this is very much
the first step towards commissioners.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Don't you.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I don't think don't I'm not on board with that.
The previous government did one in Kuiper Out with an observer,
and it was it was not so much to tell
on the council to squirrel back to the government. It
was more to provide kind of advice to the councilors
and to the council offices about how you actually run
a council. Yeah, so I don't know about that. I
(01:25):
think the minister's statement though, is weird. And Tim you
mentioned it, you know, like in fighting that happens everywhere.
That's not an excuse to put an observer in the
changing the long term plan that happens. But this whole
water thing and the seven hundred million dollars, like, what's
up with that?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It's interesting though, Well, I think it's fascinating because you think,
why wouldn't you take advantage of local wall have done
well rather than so great payers for it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So yeah, okay, So so Ryan, what the argument is
is that you have this availability post the three Waters
thing to take out very cheap debt through the local
government funding arrangement. You can have this very very cheap
debt that you can spend on your pipes. They have
chosen not to do that, but instead to lump the
current rate pays with about a billion dollars worth of
costs in the end that debt. Is that doing it
(02:13):
that way is more expensive apparently and costs the rate
pays about seven hundred million over ten years extra. So
the decision that the council has taken is one that's
more expensive for rate pays and the minister saying that's
not the right call.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah, I know I heard that, But I listened to
your counselor on your show after five and he was saying, well,
debt's more expensive. I mean you're going to pay interest
in it, an't you?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, but if you're not taking the debt. If you're not,
is this an opportunity cost thing?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Though?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
If you're not taking the debt for that, you're taking
the debt for something else. You're still taking on they
are still taking on debt.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, I just think it's almost working backwards.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
So this statement from the minister, you know, the reason
that they got that he got involved in the first
place was to do with the long term plan and
we didn't hear anything about the water or financing of
water infrastructure. And then all of a sudden there's an
observer coming in and this sort of reason has popped up.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So are you are you saying that he is trying
to justify a decision he's already taken a bit.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Of reverse engineering.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Is that what you think?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That's what I think. Ah, No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Look, I think it's see if you guys can play
nicely together and we'll see how we go. And you know,
actually it's interesting total on when they were exiting from
the Commissioners, they did apply to install an observer as
a transitional mode. So I do see this observer as
possibly a transitional figure to the next phase if no
one plays nicely. And this is it's also a judgment
(03:39):
on on Tory Faro Meyers have to create coalitions and
and there's just been chaos all right.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Back with the huddle, we've got Tim Wilson, Ryan Bridge, Tim,
I reckon, I'm going to miss Darlien. What about you?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You know what we I think I think we're we're
all a bit politically tragic in the sense that, you know,
politics are sport for unhealthy people. This is all interesting
to us. I don't think it's interesting to people who
actually care.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
About real life.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know, remember remember back in the old days when
cabinet ministers were being pursued by police dogs and everyone
was like, why aren't they be going down with in
the polls. It's because New Zealanders are mostly a political
So I'll miss her. You'll miss her probably Ryan will
mess her too. I don't know if anyone else will.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You miss her?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Ryan? No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I must say the contrast today, you know, Chloe fronting
that press, another darling presser, you know, another batch of
bad apples and the barrel for the Green Party and
saying to the reporters that the press up. We want
to move on. You know, we need to feed our people.
They're hungry and the planet's burn et cetera. And then
you've got David Seymour, of all people, feeding those needing
(04:50):
hungry kids. This is right's supposed.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
To be the other way around. Hey, Ryan, on the
strikes thing, what I'm confused by is why Nicole McKee
is so hell bent on watering down three strikes, the
first of the original the og version down to what
she's got. Now, why why do this?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Because otherwise you run the risk of it just being
repealed again. I mean, you know, look how long the
other one lasted.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Maybe and the next lot comes in.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
So maybe she's trying to moderate it a bit so
that it actually stands the test of time. If you
make it too extreme, labor, we'll get back in, they'll
get rid of it. And what was the point?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Maybe? Why did get repealed anyway? Isn't it one of
those ones that it doesn't really matter what the logic is.
It's just become sort of it's become part of the battle.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
It's a bit of a It's a political football, isn't it.
It's like it's like so many other issues in this country.
So for example, you know, healthcare will centralize it, no
will devolve it, Education will centralize, it will devolve it.
I actually, I mean, I know I know that you're
you're a partisan fan, Heather, but there's got to be
some some kind of agreen where we go there's actually
(06:01):
some stuff we can't stop, and going backwards and for
station again.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I know, I know, I know it winds you up.
But can I at the risk of making peace, I
agree that aggravated robbery isn't a minor offense.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I thought we're getting over That was a bit of
a we're getting it too close to agreeing on things. Now, Tim,
you've got about a thousand children. Okay, what do you
make of the locals asking ash Burton Council to build
a chipmunks and a bowling alley and a gaming arcade.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I only speak boys because we got four boys. So
if a boy says I'm bored, it means one of
three things. Number one, I'm hungry. Number two, I haven't
run around enough. Number three, my Minecraft thirty minutes is tomorrow.
I want it today. You tell them to go outside,
go and do something else. And I got to say also,
boredom is the is the parent to creativity. So I
(06:49):
you know, I hived off to New York in my
mid thirties because I was brought out of my mind
and follow and Ei growing up.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
There are my teens. It actually gives birth to great stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It does.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah. And didn't you, Ryan, grow up a part of
the world where you had to go out doors and
cycle for the entertainment.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
And Mom used to just lock the door. I mean,
if we lock outside and she you know, she's not right.
You know, she'd get home from work, she would lock
us out. If we were annoying three boys in the house,
she'd just lock the door and say, go and play.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And what choice did you have?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, Oh, my dear mother, My dear mother used to say.
On a satur Day, she'd say, I'm sick of the
sight of you guys. Get out of the house. I
just want to tidy up and I'll see you in
the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Run around, d break some buns, and I have some fun.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, that's how you're supposed to grow up. Oh, guys,
I love it. I think both of you should just
keep on breeding. Well, Tim, you should get keep on breeding,
and Ryan you should get started because you'll make great humans.
Thank you, both of you, Ryan Bridge, Tim Wilson ow huddle.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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