August 5, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Kiwiblog contributor and Curia pollster David Farrar and former Labour minister Stuart Nash joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Should NZ on Air fund reality TV? What about netball getting a boost? What do we think of all this?
Another week, and more stories about small children being abused at the hands of their carers. Why do we not talk about this more? Can we change this?
How do we feel about AI marking our kids' exams?
Yet again, New World's run into some issues with their latest giveaway. Why does this keep happening?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle with me this evening, we have David
FARAKIWI Blog, and Curie Opolster and Stewart Ash, Robert Walter's
former Labor Party minister. Hell are you too?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
David? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
How did we did we know that you could do this?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
You?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
You know, I wish this guy's had the same name
as his brother. His brother's name is Nobby Clark, because
what a bloody knob. I mean, how can you be
passionate about one area, stand for another and expect people
to vote for you. Sorry, there's a truth, David, but
this guy's taking the purse and I hope Jobes acknowledge it,
and I hope he gets last. You can't go and
(00:35):
say you're passion about one and run for the mirror
of another district.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Goodness me, David, Well the whole sin also with the
two names, rawis the swabby nation? I'm like, did he
just hope no one would notice that's the same person
after the election? Anything to imagine where someone might stand
for the mayority of two neighboring districts, But you know
(00:59):
they're both in the South Island. I guess, really, did
you know?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Did you know David, that there's another person doing it,
Peter Wakeman, who's running for me in CHRISTI gener also
in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
No is he though one of the notically serious candidates? Yes, yes,
I mean said that timber Cargol, Tim shed Bolt was
the outsider and he got on bought was it twenty
two terms or something?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, look that this guy, mister Clark whatever we call him,
Andrew he said, I'm not too sure. I mean he's
got on hither deep c Allen right, he's got on
drive drive when his pr PR campaign has going brilliantly
so far.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Now, listen to you. If we're funding trash TV instead
of netball, doesn't that tell you we need a complete
shakeup of how we fund tally.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know, TV and Z is losing what fifty million dollars?
Just give it up, fellas. I'm sure the government's got
better things to spend this money on it. When I
read this TV and Z funding reality TV.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's New Zealand on air, it's New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
On a well, New Zealand. They're funding reality TV? Really,
what about? You know, I don't mind documentaries that find
it hard to raise money in the sort of camera,
but reality TV give me a break.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I can't give money. I can't be okay with this
David and I. In fact, I don't even want to
fund what Stu said, which is documentaries that can't raise money.
I reckon, we should be checking our money at things
that we think are going to be commercially successful, don't we.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, most of all, what New Zealand On is meant
to be is for things that were distinctive New Zealand
culture which had no chance of being seen there. But
they've lost their way. They now fund They're really just
a sub steen now for the local industry rather than
what they're meant to be. They're look reality TV. I
remember Survivor, right, you don't actually care if it's New
(02:43):
Zealanders On Survivor Americans. You watch for the drama. It
doesn't Having some Kiwis on there doesn't make it a
Kiwi culture show. So no, they should not be funding
reality TV. They should not be funding half of what
they fund. You know, there's a case for news, current affairs, documentary,
things that reflect our unique heritage, some to the MARII
(03:04):
programming that's set for. But yeah, doesn't just rubbish.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Also, I mean is other days stew where where we
fund things for the small screen actually over, because if
you want to see a New Zealand accent, new Zealand
face and New Zealand storyline, you can actually just go
on your Facebook. And there are heaps of comedians putting
reels out for free on Facebook, right, so I don't
need that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I'd love to know how many of your listeners actually
last time they watched TV and said that you might
watch the news every now and again, and maybe country
calendar or something along those lines. But the bottom line
is the vast majority of people when they watch TV,
they go to Netflix or something else along those lines.
So they're flogging a dead horse.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Have you watched Mobland?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh, you need to watch mob Bland. Have you watched Mobland, David, No,
not yet. Oh, you guys are going to change your evenings.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Go on Prime.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's like it's the cheapest one. It's about twelve ninety
nine a month and you'll enjoy it very much. Anyway, listen,
let's take a break, come back and just to teck
it right, we're back of the huddle. David Farrer and
Stuart Nash. Now, now, David, I have been perplexed in
the last three while as to why we're not reporting
and talking a lot more about what's going on with kids,
because in the last eight weeks had a kid in
a suitcase, a kid in a bin, and three kids
(04:03):
three months, two months, and six months taken to hospital
with injuries and it's hardly actually been reported apart from
the bin in the suitcase. Turns out it's because we
can't actually talk about it because of suppression rules. Do
we not need to change these rules so that we
can talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I do think they need to be relaxed, somewhat absolutely raw.
You have to protect your fear, trial, etc. This is
I mean as an epidemic. And you know, I remember
being told that, you know, once we'd bang parents from
smacking their kids on the hand, this would turn around
our terrible child's abuse stats. And they've only got worse.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And there are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Factors in these cases which are known, but we can't
talk about them because, as you say, it gets oppressed
and you know, two two and a half years later,
when yet the coroner's report or the trial is over,
you can, but you've lost their emotional connection. To get
people to be blunt angry enough to demand change.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, I agree. What do you think to you?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know what I really like to see here there
is our community leaders about various diverse communities up and
down the country stand up and start condemning this. I
don't think it should be up to you know, New
Zealand's most popular radio hosts to go online and make
people aware of this. It does need to be people
in our community standing up and going you know what,
people knew this was happening, but they did not speak up.
And people have been have got to be given the right,
(05:23):
the mandate, whatever it is, the power to say, hey,
this just isn't right, but it's not good enough for
us to read about this or hear about on the
news and switch over and talk about the glad.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The point that you're making is, and this is a
good points to you, is that if a kid is
getting bashed, people generally know that kid is getting bashed. Right,
whether they're the neighbors or the wider family or the community,
they'll know and something somehow the community needs to get involved,
even if it's at the leadership level or somewhere. You've
got to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You know your listeners will remember the car WHOI Twins,
a very famous case. No one went down for that
two twins were murdered. You can't tell me that people
didn't know that was going on, but no one spoke up.
In fact, worse, they protected someone who murdered two kids.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
They know who did it, well they know, of course,
they only knows who did it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
People know who did it, but they protected And that
is outrageous. And this is happening far too often in
our communities, and like you say, we should be a
lot more outraged than we are the fact that it
can't be reported on. I buy into David's argument. You know,
we've got a there's something about a fair trial and
the process, But it doesn't mean we shouldn't be having
this conversation in a way which is a lot more
vocal and a lot more engaged than it currently is.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, totally. Hey David, how do you feel about AI
marking the exams? Good move?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, well I think that's absolutely fine. Not a only
will is already going through court discovery documents, etc. Summarizing them.
You still want a human to review stuff, But there's
absolutely nothing wrong with having ALI scan through hundreds of
thousands of pages and come up with what I'd call
(06:53):
us a draft. Yeah, school, and you just need to
have some order then checking, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
There, I don't agree with that, David. I think Ai
should be making everything. Humans are the ones that create
the ears. AI will give you, kid Ai. AI will
give you consistency from kaiti down to bluff. And I
think this is fantastic. In fact, Ali is doing this
sort of stuff at the moment. By the time that
the Minister rolls this out, AI will be smarter than
any human. In fact, this is brilliant. And if I
(07:20):
was a teacher, I'd be going, about time, we're finally
going to use AI in the classroom in a way
that's going to save me a whole lit.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I was worried. I was worried to you that everybody
would freak out because because Ai AI feels to me
like something people want to be freaked out, like ge
do you know what I mean? And they don't understand it.
But I'm heartened by the fact that you're all in
on this.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh, this is brilliant. Like I said, every teacher should
be going, Thank God, there's five hours out of my
week taking because Ali is going to market. But it's
going to be consistent. It doesn't matter if you're a
sixty year old teacher in Kaititi, a thirty old teacher
in Napier, or a new grad down and in Bicago.
It is going to deliver consistency and that's what parents want.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Absolutely. David, did you get into the smeag thing? Did
you get the stickers?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No countdown or Woolworth persons? So I haven't been there,
but I have suffered the happens with all the supermarkets.
Finally enough stickers and they've got like the least popular
items still available, but none of the stuff you really want.
And again, you think it would have been enough of
these competitions that they can work out to plant demand.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
What do you I mean? I'm starting to think, actually, Stu,
maybe they're doing it deliberately for the attention.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, okay, like like someone else at the beginning of
your show here that this has now got zi B
have you the most popular show on radio? It's got
it's got here. So you've just given these guys a
hold on fore you.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You're lining yourself up a fight with Hosking.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
If you carry on like this talk about I would
much rather they cut the stickers and drop the price
of butter. Listen to you, Nichola Willis, Hey, thank you
very much, guys really appreciated.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
David Farrer and Stuart nash Ill huddle this evening for
more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to News
Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on ihrdrate yo
On the huddle with me this evening, we have David
FARAKIWI Blog, and Curie Opolster and Stewart Ash, Robert Walter's
former Labor Party minister. Hell are you too?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
David? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
How did we did we know that you could do this?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
You?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
You know, I wish this guy's had the same name
as his brother. His brother's name is Nobby Clark, because
what a bloody knob. I mean, how can you be
passionate about one area, stand for another and expect people
to vote for you. Sorry, there's a truth, David, but
this guy's taking the purse and I hope Jobes acknowledge it,
and I hope he gets last. You can't go and
(00:35):
say you're passion about one and run for the mirror
of another district.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Goodness me, David, Well the whole sin also with the
two names, rawis the swabby nation? I'm like, did he
just hope no one would notice that's the same person
after the election? Anything to imagine where someone might stand
for the mayority of two neighboring districts, But you know
(00:59):
they're both in the South Island. I guess, really, did
you know?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Did you know David, that there's another person doing it,
Peter Wakeman, who's running for me in CHRISTI gener also
in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
No is he though one of the notically serious candidates? Yes, yes,
I mean said that timber Cargol, Tim shed Bolt was
the outsider and he got on bought was it twenty
two terms or something?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, look that this guy, mister Clark whatever we call him,
Andrew he said, I'm not too sure. I mean he's
got on hither deep c Allen right, he's got on
drive drive when his pr PR campaign has going brilliantly
so far.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Now, listen to you. If we're funding trash TV instead
of netball, doesn't that tell you we need a complete
shakeup of how we fund tally.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know, TV and Z is losing what fifty million dollars?
Just give it up, fellas. I'm sure the government's got
better things to spend this money on it. When I
read this TV and Z funding reality TV.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's New Zealand on air, it's New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
On a well, New Zealand. They're funding reality TV? Really,
what about? You know, I don't mind documentaries that find
it hard to raise money in the sort of camera,
but reality TV give me a break.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I can't give money. I can't be okay with this
David and I. In fact, I don't even want to
fund what Stu said, which is documentaries that can't raise money.
I reckon, we should be checking our money at things
that we think are going to be commercially successful, don't we.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, most of all, what New Zealand On is meant
to be is for things that were distinctive New Zealand
culture which had no chance of being seen there. But
they've lost their way. They now fund They're really just
a sub steen now for the local industry rather than
what they're meant to be. They're look reality TV. I
remember Survivor, right, you don't actually care if it's New
(02:43):
Zealanders On Survivor Americans. You watch for the drama. It
doesn't Having some Kiwis on there doesn't make it a
Kiwi culture show. So no, they should not be funding
reality TV. They should not be funding half of what
they fund. You know, there's a case for news, current affairs, documentary,
things that reflect our unique heritage, some to the MARII
(03:04):
programming that's set for. But yeah, doesn't just rubbish.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Also, I mean is other days stew where where we
fund things for the small screen actually over, because if
you want to see a New Zealand accent, new Zealand
face and New Zealand storyline, you can actually just go
on your Facebook. And there are heaps of comedians putting
reels out for free on Facebook, right, so I don't
need that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I'd love to know how many of your listeners actually
last time they watched TV and said that you might
watch the news every now and again, and maybe country
calendar or something along those lines. But the bottom line
is the vast majority of people when they watch TV,
they go to Netflix or something else along those lines.
So they're flogging a dead horse.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Have you watched Mobland?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh, you need to watch mob Bland. Have you watched Mobland, David, No,
not yet. Oh, you guys are going to change your evenings.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Go on Prime.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's like it's the cheapest one. It's about twelve ninety
nine a month and you'll enjoy it very much. Anyway, listen,
let's take a break, come back and just to teck
it right, we're back of the huddle. David Farrer and
Stuart Nash. Now, now, David, I have been perplexed in
the last three while as to why we're not reporting
and talking a lot more about what's going on with kids,
because in the last eight weeks had a kid in
a suitcase, a kid in a bin, and three kids
(04:03):
three months, two months, and six months taken to hospital
with injuries and it's hardly actually been reported apart from
the bin in the suitcase. Turns out it's because we
can't actually talk about it because of suppression rules. Do
we not need to change these rules so that we
can talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I do think they need to be relaxed, somewhat absolutely raw.
You have to protect your fear, trial, etc. This is
I mean as an epidemic. And you know, I remember
being told that, you know, once we'd bang parents from
smacking their kids on the hand, this would turn around
our terrible child's abuse stats. And they've only got worse.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And there are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Factors in these cases which are known, but we can't
talk about them because, as you say, it gets oppressed
and you know, two two and a half years later,
when yet the coroner's report or the trial is over,
you can, but you've lost their emotional connection. To get
people to be blunt angry enough to demand change.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, I agree. What do you think to you?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know what I really like to see here there
is our community leaders about various diverse communities up and
down the country stand up and start condemning this. I
don't think it should be up to you know, New
Zealand's most popular radio hosts to go online and make
people aware of this. It does need to be people
in our community standing up and going you know what,
people knew this was happening, but they did not speak up.
And people have been have got to be given the right,
(05:23):
the mandate, whatever it is, the power to say, hey,
this just isn't right, but it's not good enough for
us to read about this or hear about on the
news and switch over and talk about the glad.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The point that you're making is, and this is a
good points to you, is that if a kid is
getting bashed, people generally know that kid is getting bashed. Right,
whether they're the neighbors or the wider family or the community,
they'll know and something somehow the community needs to get involved,
even if it's at the leadership level or somewhere. You've
got to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You know your listeners will remember the car WHOI Twins,
a very famous case. No one went down for that
two twins were murdered. You can't tell me that people
didn't know that was going on, but no one spoke up.
In fact, worse, they protected someone who murdered two kids.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
They know who did it, well they know, of course,
they only knows who did it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
People know who did it, but they protected And that
is outrageous. And this is happening far too often in
our communities, and like you say, we should be a
lot more outraged than we are the fact that it
can't be reported on. I buy into David's argument. You know,
we've got a there's something about a fair trial and
the process, But it doesn't mean we shouldn't be having
this conversation in a way which is a lot more
vocal and a lot more engaged than it currently is.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, totally. Hey David, how do you feel about AI
marking the exams? Good move?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, well I think that's absolutely fine. Not a only
will is already going through court discovery documents, etc. Summarizing them.
You still want a human to review stuff, But there's
absolutely nothing wrong with having ALI scan through hundreds of
thousands of pages and come up with what I'd call
(06:53):
us a draft. Yeah, school, and you just need to
have some order then checking, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
There, I don't agree with that, David. I think Ai
should be making everything. Humans are the ones that create
the ears. AI will give you, kid Ai. AI will
give you consistency from kaiti down to bluff. And I
think this is fantastic. In fact, Ali is doing this
sort of stuff at the moment. By the time that
the Minister rolls this out, AI will be smarter than
any human. In fact, this is brilliant. And if I
(07:20):
was a teacher, I'd be going, about time, we're finally
going to use AI in the classroom in a way
that's going to save me a whole lit.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I was worried. I was worried to you that everybody
would freak out because because Ai AI feels to me
like something people want to be freaked out, like ge
do you know what I mean? And they don't understand it.
But I'm heartened by the fact that you're all in
on this.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh, this is brilliant. Like I said, every teacher should
be going, Thank God, there's five hours out of my
week taking because Ali is going to market. But it's
going to be consistent. It doesn't matter if you're a
sixty year old teacher in Kaititi, a thirty old teacher
in Napier, or a new grad down and in Bicago.
It is going to deliver consistency and that's what parents want.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Absolutely. David, did you get into the smeag thing? Did
you get the stickers?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No countdown or Woolworth persons? So I haven't been there,
but I have suffered the happens with all the supermarkets.
Finally enough stickers and they've got like the least popular
items still available, but none of the stuff you really want.
And again, you think it would have been enough of
these competitions that they can work out to plant demand.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
What do you I mean? I'm starting to think, actually, Stu,
maybe they're doing it deliberately for the attention.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, okay, like like someone else at the beginning of
your show here that this has now got zi B
have you the most popular show on radio? It's got
it's got here. So you've just given these guys a
hold on fore you.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You're lining yourself up a fight with Hosking.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
If you carry on like this talk about I would
much rather they cut the stickers and drop the price
of butter. Listen to you, Nichola Willis, Hey, thank you
very much, guys really appreciated.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
David Farrer and Stuart nash Ill huddle this evening for
more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to News
Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on ihrdrate yo
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