October 9, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on the Huddle, Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers Union and NZ Herald Senior Writer Simon Wilson joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Reserve Bank cut the OCR by 50 basis points this afternoon.
The Government has called for Sport NZ to update transgender inclusive community sport guidelines.
University of Auckland and Otago University both drop in just-released world rankings.
Another popular American store is opening their first New Zealand shop.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerbeast International Realty, local and
global exposure.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Like Noah turned out Huddle this evening, Jordan Williams from
the Taxpayers Union and New Zealand Herald's senior writer Simon
Wilson Heldercordawa. Right, gents, let's start off with response to
the OCR fifty basis points today. Jordan, presumably that's what
you wanted to see.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, well, there'll be a lot of mortgage holders and
people to my generation mortgaged up to the eyeballs that
will be over the moon seeing this. But I mean
it's almost inevitable now we're going to go back into
a technical recession. But we don't really look at that
the Taxpayers Union, it's more the GDP per capita and
it's we're now in the longest recession since records began.
(00:40):
When you look at it sort of what we're producing
per person. Now. You know, Adriana was doing his bit,
but actually the government's really going to have to do
the other part of the heavy lifting, which is reform
that encourages economic growth.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Simon, it goes to economic growth, doesn't it, Jordan. I
know that's that's the view of the taxpayer. I've seen
your press.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, yeah, it's inherently good.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Growth people out of poverty. Growth is the only answer
is I'm quoting.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, it's brought a billion people out of poverty in
my life. Jim Simon, Well, let me Yeah, that's a
debatable statistic. But what I really wanted to ask you, though,
was how is it you can talk about growth, which
obviously helps with jobs, with profits, with enterprise, with opportunity,
does all those things, but at the same time is
creating a planet that is unsustainable for everybody to live on.
(01:29):
You can't just talk about growth. You have to talk
about that in a wider contest. And when you reduce that,
when you take away the wider context, when you simply say, okay,
we're going to make money cheaper so everybody can get
on and pretend that nothing else is going wrong, that
is a recipe for a dangerous solution. Jordan oh It said,
(01:49):
like a true boomer, this is nineteen sixty theory around.
It's not money sixty short. The short point is a
across Perusnew Zealand has far more options around protecting the
environment than a por News island.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's the sixties argument, Jordan, The idea that we fix
the economy and at some time when everything's sweet and
we'll be able to look after the environment. That that
is what has got us in That is business as usual.
That is what has got us into trouble. Now, I'm
not saying that we shouldn't have economic progress. Of course
we should, But I am saying that when you only
talk about economic progress and don't talk about the wider context,
(02:29):
you're not going to have an economy to progress.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right back to the ICR, coll Jordan, it's interesting. So
I've been trying to find out who's upset about the
ICR today, right and obviously anyone who's got a significant
sum in their savings and going to see their savings
rates eaten into a little bit. But you know, we've
got a couple of texts from people who fixed back
in June looking at the commentary from the Reserve Bank
(02:55):
at that time and feel like they have been misled.
Do you think they have a case to make?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Well, I fixed just a part of my mortgage, although
not for very long, to hedge my bets a little bit,
only a few months ago. So I'm a little bit annoyed,
but not as annoyed as as my head of my
bank coming out for capital gains tax. But that's a
that's a different matter. I mean, look, I mean, you know,
it's an open market for information and reasonable minds can
(03:22):
and did different.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Seventy seven percent of business leaders in the mood of
the boardroom survey. I agreed with her. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
All right, all right, guys, we'll come back in a
couple of minutes. Yeah, yeah, we'll come back to in
a couple of minutes. Get your thoughts on the government's
directive to Sports end Z which I know is a
contentious one quarter to sex on Newstalks, he'd be.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You're back with Jordan William Simon Wilson now huddle this evening, Simon.
The government has asked Sports New Zealand to update their
transgender community sport guidelines. I know this is just such
a CONTINGUO says. So there's no kind of no winning
for anyone on this front. But is this the government's domain?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I think you were your questions to the minister before
when you're asking him, are fewer transgender people going to
be playing sport. The subtext of having the review is
that that would be the likely outcome, but he didn't
want to say that. It strikes me that they've got
a coalition agreement that they're going to have this review,
but the national part of the government doesn't want to
(04:27):
go anywhere near it. You couldn't hear in what Bishop
was saying there was any reason that he thought was
any good why they're doing this at all. It's simply
problem The thing that's weird about it is that he
uses the code word fairness. We've had inclusion, we've had equity,
now we're going to have more fairness. Fairness is in
other contexts a word that means inclusion and equity as well,
(04:49):
but in this case he's talking specifically about being more
fair to cisgender women. And it's problematic that he's taught
looking in code like that, I think, and it's a
shame that he feels he has.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
To Jordan, do you draw a distinction on this issue
between elite level sport and community sport?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Oh? Really turn my mind to that. To be honest,
I wanted to answer the question that Simon wouldn't quite
answer then, and it's whether it's a role of government.
I don't think it is. The problem here is that
Sports New Zealand had guidance that these Olympians have disagreed with.
But in a perfect world, I'd say, look, it should
be up to the sporting codes or the sporting associations.
(05:33):
If you want to play in a league that does
or doesn't include transgender athletes, that you know that that
should be left for the particular sports for example, or organizations.
The problem we have is that so many sports, both
at an elite and at an amateur level, are reliant
(05:53):
on government funding and Sport New Zealand and the like,
and so arguably that they have to take our position.
But I mean maybe not. I mean, is it a
role of government? But I think it is inherently the
reason it's hard and the reason why Simon and I
are cautious because we don't want to have twilers to
blow up or have death threats or things like that
on this matter. I've got enough enemy's fighting for lawer
Texas the alone this sort of stuff. But yeah, I
(06:17):
just I'm just not I'm just not convinced the government
should be there at all.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Well, I tell you what, Jordan, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Ah, can we well, yeah, I mean it's it's I mean,
the problem is too that. I mean a lot of
these a lot of these community sports organizations. I mean,
who would want to be an administrator the best of times?
(06:44):
These are thankless roles, right, trying to be an administrator
for a minority sport in New Zealand and then trying
to set your own, you know, guidelines around this. It
is such a tricky and contentious subject, and I suppose
that's why they look to Healthy ad to Sporting z
for for guidance on these kinds of issues. Auckland and
Otago universities have dropped down the world rankings, and you
know how these university rankings are all important for our institutions.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Jordan.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Should we be concerned?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, we should be. Actually, I mean it's it's probably
the daily end of what has been a declining education
system in the school sector. About this is show my age.
But eight or nine years ago, I think on this
very panel, there was a similar report out and I'd
looked up the proportion of GDP we spend on tertiary education.
It's very high. And I pointed that out that you know,
(07:32):
we're actually spending quite a lot, and one of the
chances that's got in touch with me and actually showed
the floor in it. So this is my correction eight
years later, is that when you according to the OECD,
we do spend a lot on tertiary education, but actually
a much higher proportion of that goes on to student
support as opposed to money to the institutions. So they
(07:53):
were a bit of annoy that, you know that the
Taxpayers Union was hoppity hopperty about well, actually they do
pretty well financially. Actually it's not necessarily going to the
universities all to that research. On the other hand, when
we've looked at this before, the staff ratios in New
Zealand are really out of whack when you compare the
actual academic number versus the non academic staff.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah right, okay, hey, just before we go, because we
are running out of time. Simon. That report I was
referencing re air pollution caught your interest as well, today.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Oh it did? I Yeah, I just got to say
the university speaking. But there's another way to look at
the data, and that is that last time they did it,
we were in the Auckland University was in the top
seven point nine percent. It's now in the top seven
point three even though it's gone down in the rankings
because the two hundred more universities in the survey than
there used to be. However, having said that, the problem
is not as Jordan said that the problems at schools.
(08:46):
The problem is the underfunding of research and in our
premium institutions, and that's a really big issue. Looking at
air pollution, Queen Street as the biggest mover on nitrosox side,
and that's because there are far fewer cars and Queen
Street and more electric buses. It's now a much more
pleasant place to be. But we still have an appalling
(09:06):
problems pollution all around this country. Jordan, wrap us.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Up, sire.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
You're an office the Paul Queen Street. It's just terrible.
But it's not for anything to do with the traffic
going up and down.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
All right, thank you for your time, guys, We do
appreciate it. Here I'm going to end with this lovely text. OMG,
what a great couple. Simon Wilson and Jordan Williams. They
should get their own show here here seven to six
on News Talks he'd be.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerbeast International Realty, local and
global exposure.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Like Noah turned out Huddle this evening, Jordan Williams from
the Taxpayers Union and New Zealand Herald's senior writer Simon
Wilson Heldercordawa. Right, gents, let's start off with response to
the OCR fifty basis points today. Jordan, presumably that's what
you wanted to see.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, well, there'll be a lot of mortgage holders and
people to my generation mortgaged up to the eyeballs that
will be over the moon seeing this. But I mean
it's almost inevitable now we're going to go back into
a technical recession. But we don't really look at that
the Taxpayers Union, it's more the GDP per capita and
it's we're now in the longest recession since records began.
(00:40):
When you look at it sort of what we're producing
per person. Now. You know, Adriana was doing his bit,
but actually the government's really going to have to do
the other part of the heavy lifting, which is reform
that encourages economic growth.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Simon, it goes to economic growth, doesn't it, Jordan. I
know that's that's the view of the taxpayer. I've seen
your press.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, yeah, it's inherently good.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Growth people out of poverty. Growth is the only answer
is I'm quoting.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, it's brought a billion people out of poverty in
my life. Jim Simon, Well, let me Yeah, that's a
debatable statistic. But what I really wanted to ask you, though,
was how is it you can talk about growth, which
obviously helps with jobs, with profits, with enterprise, with opportunity,
does all those things, but at the same time is
creating a planet that is unsustainable for everybody to live on.
(01:29):
You can't just talk about growth. You have to talk
about that in a wider contest. And when you reduce that,
when you take away the wider context, when you simply say, okay,
we're going to make money cheaper so everybody can get
on and pretend that nothing else is going wrong, that
is a recipe for a dangerous solution. Jordan oh It said,
(01:49):
like a true boomer, this is nineteen sixty theory around.
It's not money sixty short. The short point is a
across Perusnew Zealand has far more options around protecting the
environment than a por News island.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's the sixties argument, Jordan, The idea that we fix
the economy and at some time when everything's sweet and
we'll be able to look after the environment. That that
is what has got us in That is business as usual.
That is what has got us into trouble. Now, I'm
not saying that we shouldn't have economic progress. Of course
we should, But I am saying that when you only
talk about economic progress and don't talk about the wider context,
(02:29):
you're not going to have an economy to progress.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right back to the ICR, coll Jordan, it's interesting. So
I've been trying to find out who's upset about the
ICR today, right and obviously anyone who's got a significant
sum in their savings and going to see their savings
rates eaten into a little bit. But you know, we've
got a couple of texts from people who fixed back
in June looking at the commentary from the Reserve Bank
(02:55):
at that time and feel like they have been misled.
Do you think they have a case to make?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Well, I fixed just a part of my mortgage, although
not for very long, to hedge my bets a little bit,
only a few months ago. So I'm a little bit annoyed,
but not as annoyed as as my head of my
bank coming out for capital gains tax. But that's a
that's a different matter. I mean, look, I mean, you know,
it's an open market for information and reasonable minds can
(03:22):
and did different.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Seventy seven percent of business leaders in the mood of
the boardroom survey. I agreed with her. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
All right, all right, guys, we'll come back in a
couple of minutes. Yeah, yeah, we'll come back to in
a couple of minutes. Get your thoughts on the government's
directive to Sports end Z which I know is a
contentious one quarter to sex on Newstalks, he'd be.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You're back with Jordan William Simon Wilson now huddle this evening, Simon.
The government has asked Sports New Zealand to update their
transgender community sport guidelines. I know this is just such
a CONTINGUO says. So there's no kind of no winning
for anyone on this front. But is this the government's domain?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I think you were your questions to the minister before
when you're asking him, are fewer transgender people going to
be playing sport. The subtext of having the review is
that that would be the likely outcome, but he didn't
want to say that. It strikes me that they've got
a coalition agreement that they're going to have this review,
but the national part of the government doesn't want to
(04:27):
go anywhere near it. You couldn't hear in what Bishop
was saying there was any reason that he thought was
any good why they're doing this at all. It's simply
problem The thing that's weird about it is that he
uses the code word fairness. We've had inclusion, we've had equity,
now we're going to have more fairness. Fairness is in
other contexts a word that means inclusion and equity as well,
(04:49):
but in this case he's talking specifically about being more
fair to cisgender women. And it's problematic that he's taught
looking in code like that, I think, and it's a
shame that he feels he has.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
To Jordan, do you draw a distinction on this issue
between elite level sport and community sport?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Oh? Really turn my mind to that. To be honest,
I wanted to answer the question that Simon wouldn't quite
answer then, and it's whether it's a role of government.
I don't think it is. The problem here is that
Sports New Zealand had guidance that these Olympians have disagreed with.
But in a perfect world, I'd say, look, it should
be up to the sporting codes or the sporting associations.
(05:33):
If you want to play in a league that does
or doesn't include transgender athletes, that you know that that
should be left for the particular sports for example, or organizations.
The problem we have is that so many sports, both
at an elite and at an amateur level, are reliant
(05:53):
on government funding and Sport New Zealand and the like,
and so arguably that they have to take our position.
But I mean maybe not. I mean, is it a
role of government? But I think it is inherently the
reason it's hard and the reason why Simon and I
are cautious because we don't want to have twilers to
blow up or have death threats or things like that
on this matter. I've got enough enemy's fighting for lawer
Texas the alone this sort of stuff. But yeah, I
(06:17):
just I'm just not I'm just not convinced the government
should be there at all.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Well, I tell you what, Jordan, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Ah, can we well, yeah, I mean it's it's I mean,
the problem is too that. I mean a lot of
these a lot of these community sports organizations. I mean,
who would want to be an administrator the best of times?
(06:44):
These are thankless roles, right, trying to be an administrator
for a minority sport in New Zealand and then trying
to set your own, you know, guidelines around this. It
is such a tricky and contentious subject, and I suppose
that's why they look to Healthy ad to Sporting z
for for guidance on these kinds of issues. Auckland and
Otago universities have dropped down the world rankings, and you
know how these university rankings are all important for our institutions.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Jordan.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Should we be concerned?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, we should be. Actually, I mean it's it's probably
the daily end of what has been a declining education
system in the school sector. About this is show my age.
But eight or nine years ago, I think on this
very panel, there was a similar report out and I'd
looked up the proportion of GDP we spend on tertiary education.
It's very high. And I pointed that out that you know,
(07:32):
we're actually spending quite a lot, and one of the
chances that's got in touch with me and actually showed
the floor in it. So this is my correction eight
years later, is that when you according to the OECD,
we do spend a lot on tertiary education, but actually
a much higher proportion of that goes on to student
support as opposed to money to the institutions. So they
(07:53):
were a bit of annoy that, you know that the
Taxpayers Union was hoppity hopperty about well, actually they do
pretty well financially. Actually it's not necessarily going to the
universities all to that research. On the other hand, when
we've looked at this before, the staff ratios in New
Zealand are really out of whack when you compare the
actual academic number versus the non academic staff.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah right, okay, hey, just before we go, because we
are running out of time. Simon. That report I was
referencing re air pollution caught your interest as well, today.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Oh it did? I Yeah, I just got to say
the university speaking. But there's another way to look at
the data, and that is that last time they did it,
we were in the Auckland University was in the top
seven point nine percent. It's now in the top seven
point three even though it's gone down in the rankings
because the two hundred more universities in the survey than
there used to be. However, having said that, the problem
is not as Jordan said that the problems at schools.
(08:46):
The problem is the underfunding of research and in our
premium institutions, and that's a really big issue. Looking at
air pollution, Queen Street as the biggest mover on nitrosox side,
and that's because there are far fewer cars and Queen
Street and more electric buses. It's now a much more
pleasant place to be. But we still have an appalling
(09:06):
problems pollution all around this country. Jordan, wrap us.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Up, sire.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
You're an office the Paul Queen Street. It's just terrible.
But it's not for anything to do with the traffic
going up and down.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
All right, thank you for your time, guys, We do
appreciate it. Here I'm going to end with this lovely text. OMG,
what a great couple. Simon Wilson and Jordan Williams. They
should get their own show here here seven to six
on News Talks he'd be.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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