October 21, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Mark Sainsbury and Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day, and more!
Should the Public Service Commission be putting out ads about Thursdays' mega strike, in a bid to attack the unions? Should we be concerned here?
Sports Minister Mark Mitchell is weighing in on the Netball New Zealand v Dame Noeline Taurua saga, after Labour's Willie Jackson asked the Government to freeze Netball NZ's funding. What do we make of all this?
A coroner is concerned no member of the public stepped in to help a girl that drowned in a public fountain in a busy park. What happened here?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty. Find your
one of the.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Kind on the Huddle with us this evening. Tim Wilson
Maximu Institute Mark Sainsbury broadcast highlights Hi here that tem okay,
how exercise are you buy? The ads?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Boy? Boy? That was there was a good exchange. Ever,
I look, I'm inclining towards the first position, and since
that the medium is the message, right, So taking Facebook
ads out it does escalate what the Public Public Service
Commission's role is. I think they can that they can,
(00:36):
you know, stating the facts about the about the strikes
and how they've been off offered the stuff, et cetera,
et cetera, saying that that that's sort of on the borderline,
saying that the unions have to get around the table.
I recoon that's pushing pushing things about. I don't like
to see institution's politicize. So I'm not I'm not that
comfortable with the.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Well Tim and irons somewhat agreement. I've got some I've
got no issue. There's no problem putting their position out there,
which we should be entired to know. What does it
mean in the impact of the strikes and that sort
of thing. It comes back to this, this whole issue
of this that the political neutrality. And I'm interested to
see that the Public Service Commission are saying that they
(01:18):
followed all the rules. I haven't seen the details of
the rules enough to judge on that, but I think
it is it's a pretty tricky sort of area. It
doesn't seem to be much heather, but it's that if
you are going to politicize the Public Service or the Commission,
that is a real worry.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Say, and can I make this, Ah, I'll start with
you on this, Tim. Can I make the argument that
the Public Service Commission is not politicized here, because look
at what they're saying. All they're saying is, hey, we've
tried to negotiate with these guys. This is the outcome
of the strike. You know, the offer remains of whatever whatever.
They haven't come out and said anything nasty about the work,
(01:57):
is anything nasty about the unions. They've actually walked a
fire line here.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, I saw I saw one of the ads which
is like, you know, I can't recall if it was
senior torches, but we've offered them eleven percent. They're going
to get eight more k, you know, eight or nine
grand more. And when I saw that, I was like, h.
And when I did that, I thought, is that right
in the Public Service Commissions getting me to do? But
(02:23):
and I'm not sure it is. I don't mind a
minister doing it. That's great, get into it, but I'm
not sure about that.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Saying so, what do you think of Mark Mitchell getting
involved in the Dame Noles situation?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I know, and he isn't interesting that. He was quite
right when he talked to you that he doesn't have
any official skin in the game. He's not a party
or anything like that. But any sporting body that relies
on government funds is going to be sensitive. The issue
then escalates around the corridors the power, and that's going
to be I mean, that's what an absolute ministher wiser.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, what they have to do is take out a
series of ads on Facebook and then to a Facebook
hole and we can work it out. Well.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Listen, maybe when Sir Brian's back from holiday he could
front them for.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Him, because her front. Yeah, he could do some h else.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
When he is finished dealing with this mega strike, he
can come and deal with the Dame Knowles Tim, I
think I don't know about you, but Mark Mitchell saying
that he wants Day that he said he didn't want
to influence the outcome, but he would like her back.
I think that it's very hard to ignore that if
your netball New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, it is, it is, and it was you know,
it was interesting that you know that Willie Jackson's brought
this into the political sphere and you know, exercising some
strong talkback muscles while he's doing it. But it sounds
like Mike Mitchell's paying attention and and this is this
a measure of the maner that we have for Day
knowles that it is actually a national issue?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, I think probably a little bit. And also we
can see unfairness I suspect a mile away. We'll take
a break, come back to you guys shortly to the
huddle with.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
New Zealand Southeby's Internet the global leader in luxury real estate?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Are you back with the huddle? Mark Sainsbury, Tim Wilson
sains So, can you explain something to me? How is
it that you have four people who see a four
year old in a fountain drowning or drowned and don't
pull her out? How did that happen?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I wish I could explain it to you that that's
really disturbed me.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That story. It just what have we come to?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I mean, I just I cannot actually get my head
around it. How someone could see a child lying face down,
even if it was you know, there was too late
in whatever. From what the current is saying, it probably
wouldn't have made any difference. But you walk back a
child lying face down in a pool, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Things don't, don't we all know, even just from the movies.
You pull them out and you start doing a CPR
while somebody is calling the emergency services, like you start
trying to get that water out immediately. So what happened?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And well people said that somehow suggesting oh people frightened,
They may think that sort of you know, who are
interfering with a child. Come on, you know you see
that you pull that child out, immediately, try and help them.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's what anyone would do, that, would you not? Tim?
I think I think the messages, you know, if something
doesn't look right, intervene and may be prepared to be
prepared to be embarrassed or caskt're castigated later. But if
it doesn't look right. You've just got to jump in,
do you think so.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Tim, I've been, it's been. I've been going from one
theory to the other all afternoon, trying to figure it out. Now,
one of the things that I worry is going on
is that we are worried about intervening with another person's
child for fear of what the parent make. Like let's
say you go over the kids just playing, you pull
the child out there, just having a joke, but then
the parent comes and you're in huge trouble. Is that
(05:38):
what we're afraid of?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I think that's that. That's part of it, that
sense of oh, you know, this is you get away
from my kid. Having said that, I think being able
to assess the situation. Being able to assess the situation,
and if you think it goes over across as a
certain line, you step over that line. Because because this story,
I mean, I don't want to socially, sociologically overcock it.
(06:01):
There are lots of things happening on that I felt
so sorry for the grandfather who didn't speak English, who
was there and when he was walking past, and the
you know, the week girls in the fountain, she's already
pasted or were already dead. It's just it's just so sad.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It is really really sad.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And hither there's a difference between say, you intervene your
kids might be in a scrap or something where we
go and pull them out or interfere and kids having
a fight. This is a young child face down in water.
There was no you know, am I reading this ride
or have I got this wrong? I mean, it's it's
it's one of the most disturbing stories I've come across
(06:38):
that happened.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Is it possible that the community has this is my
other fare. Is it possible the community has broken down
to such an extent that we just don't kind of
feel like we should be or need to be helping
other people.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I don't even want to accept that, Heather.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, you know, I don't think so. I think, you know,
as key, which we're a bit, we're a whole in
some ways, you know, we don't want the things were
just literally just like easy doesn't easy go, easy goes
and and you know, I guess I guess the sense
of oh, I see this child and I call the police,
and that's that's a poor decision, but that that personal
(07:16):
you know, they'll have to wrestle with that decision all
their life. It's not it's not easy. And who of
us haven't made dumb decisions in the past. Whether we're
fear pulsing through our veins.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah I suppose so okay, hey, yeah word or yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Oh yeah, mine wasn't affected.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
And my key word is scare.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Scare.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
You've only there, I know, but the R and the yes.
In fact, I'm going to change it to stare actually.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
In some Yeah, no, that's a good one year stare
as in like st a.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
You started speaking in the language looks going on?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, well no, what happened yesterday, Tim? Is that because
of the A W S outage? I lost my streak
and I was on six hundred and thirty three and
now it started again. Yeah okay, so I I think
that what's happened here sane? So is that it's the
time of day you did it? I did my wordle
when when A W S was down in the evening?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
When did you do yours at very morning?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Okay, So have you still got your streak?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
But I know I'd broken the streak a couple of
weeks ago. So it's sorry to hear. What's this? What's
this thing about? You know, Tim Wilson with the Bee Kids.
I heard you at five twenty, don't think thinking.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I was looking at the idea.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Here my wife and I trying to prevent a demographic
collapse single handedly, and all you can do is roots Well,
I'll tell you, well, I'll take the test drive and
the b y D if you can jack it up, though.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'll tell you what actually, but i'll tell you what, Tim. Okay,
So I used to think that you having four children
was mental, but jeez, I could go a third, Like,
aren't they just graduated away?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
That's the way?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Aren't they just lovely? I want how many?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
How many have you got?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Just the two?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So at once? Start right? Thank you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, I mean I am so sorely tempted. And then
I'm going to need that gigantic car as well.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Tim.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Listen, Thanks guys, go and have a lovely evening. Tim Wilson,
Mark Sainsbury The Huddles.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks they'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio,
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty. Find your
one of the.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Kind on the Huddle with us this evening. Tim Wilson
Maximu Institute Mark Sainsbury broadcast highlights Hi here that tem okay,
how exercise are you buy? The ads?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Boy? Boy? That was there was a good exchange. Ever,
I look, I'm inclining towards the first position, and since
that the medium is the message, right, So taking Facebook
ads out it does escalate what the Public Public Service
Commission's role is. I think they can that they can,
(00:36):
you know, stating the facts about the about the strikes
and how they've been off offered the stuff, et cetera,
et cetera, saying that that that's sort of on the borderline,
saying that the unions have to get around the table.
I recoon that's pushing pushing things about. I don't like
to see institution's politicize. So I'm not I'm not that
comfortable with the.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Well Tim and irons somewhat agreement. I've got some I've
got no issue. There's no problem putting their position out there,
which we should be entired to know. What does it
mean in the impact of the strikes and that sort
of thing. It comes back to this, this whole issue
of this that the political neutrality. And I'm interested to
see that the Public Service Commission are saying that they
(01:18):
followed all the rules. I haven't seen the details of
the rules enough to judge on that, but I think
it is it's a pretty tricky sort of area. It
doesn't seem to be much heather, but it's that if
you are going to politicize the Public Service or the Commission,
that is a real worry.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Say, and can I make this, Ah, I'll start with
you on this, Tim. Can I make the argument that
the Public Service Commission is not politicized here, because look
at what they're saying. All they're saying is, hey, we've
tried to negotiate with these guys. This is the outcome
of the strike. You know, the offer remains of whatever whatever.
They haven't come out and said anything nasty about the work,
(01:57):
is anything nasty about the unions. They've actually walked a
fire line here.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, I saw I saw one of the ads which
is like, you know, I can't recall if it was
senior torches, but we've offered them eleven percent. They're going
to get eight more k, you know, eight or nine
grand more. And when I saw that, I was like, h.
And when I did that, I thought, is that right
in the Public Service Commissions getting me to do? But
(02:23):
and I'm not sure it is. I don't mind a
minister doing it. That's great, get into it, but I'm
not sure about that.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Saying so, what do you think of Mark Mitchell getting
involved in the Dame Noles situation?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I know, and he isn't interesting that. He was quite
right when he talked to you that he doesn't have
any official skin in the game. He's not a party
or anything like that. But any sporting body that relies
on government funds is going to be sensitive. The issue
then escalates around the corridors the power, and that's going
to be I mean, that's what an absolute ministher wiser.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, what they have to do is take out a
series of ads on Facebook and then to a Facebook
hole and we can work it out. Well.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Listen, maybe when Sir Brian's back from holiday he could
front them for.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Him, because her front. Yeah, he could do some h else.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
When he is finished dealing with this mega strike, he
can come and deal with the Dame Knowles Tim, I
think I don't know about you, but Mark Mitchell saying
that he wants Day that he said he didn't want
to influence the outcome, but he would like her back.
I think that it's very hard to ignore that if
your netball New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, it is, it is, and it was you know,
it was interesting that you know that Willie Jackson's brought
this into the political sphere and you know, exercising some
strong talkback muscles while he's doing it. But it sounds
like Mike Mitchell's paying attention and and this is this
a measure of the maner that we have for Day
knowles that it is actually a national issue?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, I think probably a little bit. And also we
can see unfairness I suspect a mile away. We'll take
a break, come back to you guys shortly to the
huddle with.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
New Zealand Southeby's Internet the global leader in luxury real estate?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Are you back with the huddle? Mark Sainsbury, Tim Wilson
sains So, can you explain something to me? How is
it that you have four people who see a four
year old in a fountain drowning or drowned and don't
pull her out? How did that happen?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I wish I could explain it to you that that's
really disturbed me.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That story. It just what have we come to?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I mean, I just I cannot actually get my head
around it. How someone could see a child lying face down,
even if it was you know, there was too late
in whatever. From what the current is saying, it probably
wouldn't have made any difference. But you walk back a
child lying face down in a pool, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Things don't, don't we all know, even just from the movies.
You pull them out and you start doing a CPR
while somebody is calling the emergency services, like you start
trying to get that water out immediately. So what happened?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And well people said that somehow suggesting oh people frightened,
They may think that sort of you know, who are
interfering with a child. Come on, you know you see
that you pull that child out, immediately, try and help them.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's what anyone would do, that, would you not? Tim?
I think I think the messages, you know, if something
doesn't look right, intervene and may be prepared to be
prepared to be embarrassed or caskt're castigated later. But if
it doesn't look right. You've just got to jump in,
do you think so.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Tim, I've been, it's been. I've been going from one
theory to the other all afternoon, trying to figure it out. Now,
one of the things that I worry is going on
is that we are worried about intervening with another person's
child for fear of what the parent make. Like let's
say you go over the kids just playing, you pull
the child out there, just having a joke, but then
the parent comes and you're in huge trouble. Is that
(05:38):
what we're afraid of?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I think that's that. That's part of it, that
sense of oh, you know, this is you get away
from my kid. Having said that, I think being able
to assess the situation. Being able to assess the situation,
and if you think it goes over across as a
certain line, you step over that line. Because because this story,
I mean, I don't want to socially, sociologically overcock it.
(06:01):
There are lots of things happening on that I felt
so sorry for the grandfather who didn't speak English, who
was there and when he was walking past, and the
you know, the week girls in the fountain, she's already
pasted or were already dead. It's just it's just so sad.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It is really really sad.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And hither there's a difference between say, you intervene your
kids might be in a scrap or something where we
go and pull them out or interfere and kids having
a fight. This is a young child face down in water.
There was no you know, am I reading this ride
or have I got this wrong? I mean, it's it's
it's one of the most disturbing stories I've come across
(06:38):
that happened.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Is it possible that the community has this is my
other fare. Is it possible the community has broken down
to such an extent that we just don't kind of
feel like we should be or need to be helping
other people.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I don't even want to accept that, Heather.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, you know, I don't think so. I think, you know,
as key, which we're a bit, we're a whole in
some ways, you know, we don't want the things were
just literally just like easy doesn't easy go, easy goes
and and you know, I guess I guess the sense
of oh, I see this child and I call the police,
and that's that's a poor decision, but that that personal
(07:16):
you know, they'll have to wrestle with that decision all
their life. It's not it's not easy. And who of
us haven't made dumb decisions in the past. Whether we're
fear pulsing through our veins.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah I suppose so okay, hey, yeah word or yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Oh yeah, mine wasn't affected.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
And my key word is scare.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Scare.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
You've only there, I know, but the R and the yes.
In fact, I'm going to change it to stare actually.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
In some Yeah, no, that's a good one year stare
as in like st a.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
You started speaking in the language looks going on?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, well no, what happened yesterday, Tim? Is that because
of the A W S outage? I lost my streak
and I was on six hundred and thirty three and
now it started again. Yeah okay, so I I think
that what's happened here sane? So is that it's the
time of day you did it? I did my wordle
when when A W S was down in the evening?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
When did you do yours at very morning?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Okay, So have you still got your streak?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
But I know I'd broken the streak a couple of
weeks ago. So it's sorry to hear. What's this? What's
this thing about? You know, Tim Wilson with the Bee Kids.
I heard you at five twenty, don't think thinking.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I was looking at the idea.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Here my wife and I trying to prevent a demographic
collapse single handedly, and all you can do is roots Well,
I'll tell you, well, I'll take the test drive and
the b y D if you can jack it up, though.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'll tell you what actually, but i'll tell you what, Tim. Okay,
So I used to think that you having four children
was mental, but jeez, I could go a third, Like,
aren't they just graduated away?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
That's the way?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Aren't they just lovely? I want how many?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
How many have you got?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Just the two?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So at once? Start right? Thank you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, I mean I am so sorely tempted. And then
I'm going to need that gigantic car as well.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Tim.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Listen, Thanks guys, go and have a lovely evening. Tim Wilson,
Mark Sainsbury The Huddles.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks they'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
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