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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
There's nothing new in what silver Lake have brought to
the table. They haven't changed anything. They don't bring capability.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
They're not they're not rugby people, per see.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
They don't have a magic wand.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
But New Zealand need to have a you know, a
good strong look at that rule because you know, without
grace we lose so much. After the Olympic committal, we
wanted to show that we were a great team and
to us that was bring it, winning the league and
winning the series. And we did it, and obviously I
was excited about it. The old would sports title this evening,
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Adam Cooper, host of the All Sports Breakfast and Wellington
and Levin a good sports journalist, tell her you too.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yep, good. I promise I will not swear tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Thank you, Levina. I appreciate you. I promise, thanks, because
I mean you we do not have dump. This is
a suppose we do not have dump on this show.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So you don't have a sex, you don't have that
seven second delay. I know, Mark, don't worry. It's not
gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Probably shouldn't have said that, I want to come back
to the rugby. Actually he's plenty to talk about in
the rugby.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But on the cricket.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I see that the Pakistan League has been moved to
the UAE. But do you know yet, Coops, whether the
i PL is being moved.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No word on that yet. But it's just a it's
just a messy, sad situation, isn't it. And you know
you can't help but feel sorry for you know, people
in these countries that that you know, do have these
security issues and I'm you know, usually you know my
takers that you are on the side of caution and
if there is a minor risk, you move like has
been done here. But you've got to feel so sorry
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for the fans, that the sponsors, the you know, just
all the all the stakeholders in the game in these
countries where you know, you get so close to getting
things right, you get a few you know, good things
go your way, some opportunities, and then it all all
falls apart. You know. We get the Pakistan cricket team
coming here to New Zealand quite often, we had them
in the summer gone and they always you know, such
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a competitive passionate team fans are so passionate to get
through the gates, and it's just a sad, a sad
indictment on you know, the world that people that want
to play sport and get involved in sport and support
sport can't do that and doesn't seem to be any
end in sight. Mind you, there are countries in the world,
you know, where twenty years ago you might not have
played any sport there for for similar reasons. So you
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do hope that sort of politically things get sorted out
and at some point down the track they can go
back to having regular matches on home soil.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Tell you what Lavina I was surprise was confused by rather,
is that it seems that New Zealand Cricket are the
ones who are flying the New Zealand cricket contingent from
Pakistan to UAU.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Why is that?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, I think there's there's a hidden message there somewhere,
I would assume. But going back on what Adam said,
are you feel sorry for what's going on in each country,
but you feel sorry also for the sports fans, Heather
because it's a world class rivalry India versus Pakistan, and
we look forward obviously to the Olympics LA twenty eight,
where cricket is returning in the top six teams in
the world and Pakistan at the moment as seventh, they
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could jump into sixth. There could be an opportunity there
for India versus Pakistan, but not to have that on
the menu on the table for cricket fans, it's quite
traumatic for some fans. I think it's some of the
best rivalry we've seen in all sport and to think
that that won't happen, it's quite tragic.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, totally, now, Levina, Okay, tell me what you are
taking from this business. With the rugby finances that came
up yesterday, Gregor Paul's article suggested that there will be
job losses and it didn't feel like it would be
too far Fitch to suggest that Mark Robinson could be
one of those.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Mark Robinson's name has been touted a lot and why
wouldn't it be nineteen and a half million dollars in
the red I mean it sounds bad and ily New
Zealand Rugby try and push it a different way of
saying that we've made recording come more than two hundred
and eighty million and we've got one hundred and seventy
four million in reserve, so it's not like they're going
to topple over. But for the third year in a
row to be in the red, there's an area of concern,
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And an even bigger area of concern is the fact
that so many young rugby players to fourteen and fifteen
years of age and they're only retaining what's thirty percent
if they're lucky of those players.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So the money and the investment, I know, it's all
about we need to get out of the red.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
We need to make it look really financially viable and
it has to look healthy. But you also have to
go back to grassroots rugby, and to do that, they
have to invest money in grassroots rugby. And there's no
money at the moment to invest because they're twenty million
bucks in the room.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
No, no, no, Levina, there's no money to invest in grassroots
rugby because they're paying their directors and their executives seven
and a.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Half lot of money. Like that's ridiculous. There's a lot
of money. Yeah, it doesn't seem right, does it.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
But on the back of that, they say they're trying
to throw money at a presence in the digital space,
and we know lots of money from rugby. In fact,
sport all over New Zealand goes to the broadcast costs
and what they want to do is own those broadcast costs.
They want to make sure that they broadcast it themselves
and don't have to pull the money out to the
organizations that televise it. So long term, strategically it might
sound good, but right now, twenty million in the red,
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third year in a row, not making money out of that,
it looks a little bit precarious.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think, poops, do you think the silver Lake deal is?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Can we look at it now and say it's not
bearing any fruit it was a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, it certainly hasn't had the impact that you know
we've been promised. And I think you know, I went
along and spoke to it to Mark Robinson yesterday. I'm
pretty sure I went to the same thing last year,
and you know, even the year before, and he was
saying exactly the same things about this insider commercial thing. Hey,
we're pumping money into it now if you know, had
another sort of ten million go into it this year,
which has contributed to that loss. It's going to come right.
It's going to come right. You could almost copy and
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paste those you know, sayings from a year ago. Same
with the silver Lake deal. I mean, we are paying
money back to silver Lake. It's effectively alone at the moment.
They can turn it to equity next year, but they
still have to pay even a higher sort of interest
rate back to silver Lake on this. And there's been
absolutely no benefit to the sport apart from maybe a
little bit of a boost of some of the sort
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of grassroots unions at the very start when they got
sort of the cash to help sort of get the
deal across the line. But there's been nothing that you
look at Rugby now and think, oh this is this
is so much better thanks to the silver Lak deal.
And I think the problem that Rugby has. You know
that this has shed a light on here that is
New Zealander's connection to the game. It is completely lost
at the moment from the grassroots game right up to
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sort of the top level. You know, we know that
there were two all Black tests last year that didn't
sell out. We know that player numbers are not where
they used to be. And I think if you're trying
to draw people back into the game. We heard Mark
Robinson several times in interviews over the last twenty four
hours speak in this corporate jargon speak, you know, duck
and dive around sort of straight up questions that should
have a relatively simple answer from the CEO. And I
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don't know if I have much confidence that him at
the top is the man that can reconnect rugby back
to New Zealanders. I just don't have that feeling. And
I was there yesterday when he was speaking at the
AGEM just didn't get that confidence in that feeling that
he can restore rugby to where it needs to be.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It's right, Paris Esman.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I'd say, okay, guys, will take a quick break, come
back to you shortly.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
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Speaker 4 (06:59):
Reach write You're back with the sports huddle, Adam Cooper Levina,
Good Levina, I'm confuseder do you do you know what's
going on with knickball? It seems like, so what do
the players have to play one hundred Test caps in
order to be eligible to play for the Silver Ferns
of the play overseas?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Is that the rule Okay, So what I'm saying, Levina,
don't swear, don't swear, don't swear. What a bloom and
stupid rule hither And I don't think there is the rule.
I don't think it's in writing that you have to
play one hundred tests actually for the Silver Ferns. And
if that's the case, it's only like seven players that
have ever done it. But imagine if half of the
Kiwi rugby League team or the Kiwi Ferns Rugby League
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team were not allowed to represent their country because of
their overseas domestic commitments.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Or let's look at cricket, let's look at the black Caps.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
What if we said every player that played for the
IPL were not allowed to play for the black Caps.
I would love to send a message out to the
CE Jennie Wiley and say, stand up, show some courage,
drop the rule completely. There's no one hundred rule anyway,
But get your board to come out and say this
is not right and why is right? Because here's the question.
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Do you want one of the best shooters and one
of the finest shooters in the world donning a silver
fern or not? She might marry a nosy, she might
wear Canary who knows it's a silly rule, get rid
of it. Playing Australia in October. I'm sure they would
be happy if this board wasn't brave enough to change
the rules because they do not want Grace playing for
the Silver.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Could not agree with you more.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What do you say, Coops, Absolutely get it done. You know,
these administrators are task of making us the most competitive
netball nation as we can be, and a player of
Grace's caliber it is someone that either should trigger a
rule change or should have a special case for dispensation.
There's been so much confusion around it and really fascinating
seeing a lot of players almost break rank from what
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they're usually allowed to do and usually sort of feel
comfortable to do and actually come out really strongly. A
number of senior players in the A and Z Premiership
have come out saying, come on, guys, we need this,
We need Grace wiki playing for the Silver Ferns, and
goodness me, you hope they get their act together because
as just mentioned, you know, Zep, three years time she
stays playing in Australia, she could be, you know, wanting
to stay over there and play for the Diamonds, and
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that would be absolutely disastrous. And the thing is with
a netball it's not like rugby where players have lists
of options. You know, Japan, Prance allywhere else around the world.
Netball in New Zealand is one of the premier competitions
in the world. They're not going to get much more
money going to England's Australia. They're ready the only options.
So we just have to look at this and say
make it happen.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Lavina, who is this Braxton that you want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
So we realized that there's a very important rugby match
coming up and ed is the Ferns up against the
Australia's in Newcastle and we often beat the Australians all
the time, all the time. But Branson Sorenson McKee is
eighteen years of age. She is about to make her
debut for the national side, and she comes from amazing
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pedigree which is the Sorenson Boys curtin Dame Sorenson Rugby League.
I've watched her throughout the All Picky competition in the
Blues and she's managed to slot her place into that
side ahead of Puschal Woodman who was not selected. Pushe
Woodman Whickli, ahead of Stacey Walker, ahead of Georgia Miller
as well. And this kid is someone to watch. And
I think as a country, we don't just have to
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wait until our national side plays in a World Cup
where we.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Go, Oh, let's watch the tricks, Let's watch the women.
This will be fun. Oh my gosh, they're world champions.
Oh my god. I love women's rugby.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Keep an eye out for this kid eighteen making her
debut against Australia in Newcastle. She can light up that
rugby field.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Mate. She is she the one Levina?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Is she the one that Darcy Waldgraves is calling the
ghost runner?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
She's got it. You've got the one, You've got the one. Yep.
She is phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
She is fast and she is elusive, and she's as
good as any rugby fullback I have seen in the
last decade. She is outstanding, male or female.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Do you know about her? Coops? Did you just also
get a lesson like me?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I got to meet her last week actually they were
training here, a welling setup was announced and there she
was very emotional after being named in her first squad
last week and you could see what it meant to
her face.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
To face.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
She seemed incredibly passionate, incredibly excited to make an impact.
She's obviously worked really hard, and yeah, really excited to
see what what she can offer in World Cup year
and keeping those senior players out, those World Cup winners
that Levina mentioned in World Cup year, this early stages
is pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So yeah, watch the space, i'd say photo confidence.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, listen, guys, thank you so much, go and enjoy
your weeknd of sport. That's Adam Cooper, host of the
All Sport Breakfast in Wellington and Levin a Good sports journo.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
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