Former Chief of Staff to Jacinda Ardern, Mike Munro and Kiwiblog and Curia pollster David Farrar join the Huddle to discuss the apology for victims of state care, Trump and Luxon’s phone call, car wash horrors, and reduced speed limits in urban areas.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Mike Munroe, former chief of Staff to just doing, David
Farraki we blog and Curi Ipposter with US High Lads. Mike,
was there anything Toby said that you thought, well, madness,
absolute madness.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, he was getting a wee bit carried away. I thought,
you know, this is a this is a planetary issue.
It's an existential threat to all of us. And I
think that, you know, while he finds some of this
report extreme, people have to be told the extent of
the problem and the risks we all face. You know,
until we get the public on side with the threat
(00:41):
that climate change causes, we're not going to change anything.
And so yes, there will be some extreme rhetoric from
time to time, but it's sort of necessary to ram
home the extent.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Of the problem.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
David, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
There was a wee behome agreed with? There? Not most
of it, because I think what gets ignored is the
reality we do like selling our food overseas as well
as to us, but if we're not doing our bit,
there will be protectionist barriers go up. People will say Nope.
If you're not doing anything, we're not going to buy
from you, and that's going to hurt the rural sector.
(01:16):
Two where I think he is right is we can't
rely on just planting trees because here's the problem. Heather
pine trees last for a few years. Carbon and the
environment lasts for somewhere between eight hundred to two thousand years,
and you just can't reduce you know, you can't lock
them up for two thousand years the land. So we
(01:39):
do it. You have a pretty hard conversation about how
do we reduce emissions because just planting trees isn't really
going to be a long term solution.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Those protection of barriers, David, that you were talking about
is that in the EU agreement.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The EU especially has shown that that.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
And what are our agreements of what other agreements have
those protectionist barriers?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Well, it's not so much that there's both what governments
may do, but there's also consumer The.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Consumer thing is a fallacy, it doesn't happen, So it's
just the EU agreement.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
And the EU agreement sucks anyway for our productive sector.
So who cares.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, you don't want to be the one country in
the sort of developed world, especially who's not seen to
be pulling your.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, we're not going to be, are we, David, because
the US is going to pull out all together, so
it's gonna be two of us.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But well, no, that's true, but the US is a
big country. It can't be bate. We can be Yeah,
fair enough.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Hey, Mike, what do you make of the call for
Una Jegozi to lose her job?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, look, this is a really sad and there's a
pems here today. It's a horrific issue and it's a
heartbreaking issue. Look, I think it's about time that somebody
in government or the top of the public sector in
this country put their hand up into responsibility for an
issue like this. We're very good in this country at
ducking responsibility, and it would it'd be a really powerful
(02:58):
gesture if actually offered her resignation. Now it would come
down to the government, to the minister whether or not
they accept it, and they accept or reject as appropriate,
but just the offer of resignation would be sort of
signed from the highest levels that these issues are just
appalling and traumatizing and shocking and that something is going
to change. As I say, we model ourselves on the
(03:21):
Westminster model is the style of government, and under that model,
the buck normally stops with the minister. But it's not
all part of our culture like it is in the
UK and elsewhere. Yeah, and so I think it would
be a powerful gesture if she at least offered to.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Go the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate
the marketing of your home.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Back of the huddle.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Mike Munroe, David Farrett, David, I can understand the idea
of making somebody accountable like Una Jugosi, but the only
reservation I have is that she was acting in the
crown space interest, which is her job. So it seems
unfair maybe to make her responsible. And also if you
go for a quick fix like that, you get satisfied,
walk away and don't actually fix the actual problem. Potentially,
what do you think I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Both defend and condemn her? Are you the thing that
she shouldn't resign over this because she wasn't just saying
his chief of government agency, but she's the lawyer for
the government. Her job was to do what the clients say.
Don't blame the lawyer, you need to blame the people
who instructed the lawyer. So in that regard, I don't
(04:25):
think she should reside. I don't think she should reside
for her prosecution guidelines, which were terrible.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yeah, I can agree with you on that, but that once.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
She is responsible for she wrote them. They're awful taken back.
But no, on this one, I think you have to
be careful about leaking the clients escape responsive for the lawyer,
the why, the public service, the ones who actually ran
the institutions, that's where I think you want to see
more of their accountability.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, don't you think, Mike, doesn't that make sense? I mean,
you need to go after the people who are actually
responsible for this.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah. True, But it's the people at the top of
her ultimately responsible, isn't it. You know, I'm an important
thing here is like David says, it's about redress and
doing something about it. But sometimes in politics, you know,
gestures are important, and there's people here who feel really
aggrieved that you know that Juggo's aggressively through everything at
(05:17):
legal challenges to try and shut them up, and at
the end, she is at the top of the tree
and she's responsible. So that's that's why I maintained that
you know, we have to demonstrate to those survivors that
we've heard them and we take this very seriously. And
a resignation is offered and it'll probably be declined by Collins,
(05:38):
and that's fine, but performance of offering is important.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, Literisen, David, I am coming around, especially after the
story about the truck and the KINDI and the stuff
that's gone on with eleven year old killed at a
school with cars going too fuss and stuff. I'm coming
around to the idea of dropping the speed limits around kids,
even if it inconveniences us a wee bit. Am I
going mad?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
You're not getting mad? But depends what you mean by
around kids around schools. Absolutely, But if you're saying every
residential road in New Zealand must be done to three here, cas,
then I think you are gain about man. I think
at the end, you know it has to be what's suitable.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
But how do we make our neighborhood safe? David?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
How do we You've got little kids, how do you
make them safe so that you feel comfortable about sending
the dudes out on their bikes?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, actually, it's more about the quality of the road
than about the speed they go. Out either at here
or fifty k's there is danger there. So I think
it's actually comes back to what's appropriate for that road.
The thing is a lot most residential roads, he k
is fine, but they're feeder roads and they're the roads
that get everyone into the main highways, et cetera. Then
(06:48):
you came to have real congestion effects from that. So
some suburban roads, absolutely all of them.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Know, Mike, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah? I tend to agree that this is not one
of those areas where you know, one one size fit's all,
one rule fit's all. It's got to come down to
the sort of built up nature of the area, the
quality of the road around schools, cleaning it's important. But
you know all the data and all the science shows.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Sorry, Mike, you do the dishes.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I am cooking dinner because I has COVID, so I've
got the kids, so I am actually cooking around. They
all multitasking.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It is fine.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Cherizo and pumpkin risotto.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
How old are they?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
How old are the kids?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Not the tomorrow old tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
That is impressive, there's, Mike. That is a good palette
for a five year old, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'm very impressed. Yeah, I've got I've got I've got
grandkids and they're only very little. But but yeah, you're
you're setting a high standard for the for me, for
the future there.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, geez.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I got to tell you what. I tried to snick
a Carbonara in the in the dude the other day
and he flat out he said to me, I don't
like it. I like bolannais so.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
They all love thank god. The younger one. We did
take to a buffet dinner the other day and you know,
you've got fifty dishes to choose from here, you had
twelve bread rolls.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
And the people, the people charging you for that, were like,
this is the best deal ever. Yes of bread.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Guys, listen, thank you as always really appreciate the pair
of you. That's Mike Monroe and David Farret a Hudle
this evening.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talk sai'd Be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Mike Munroe, former chief of Staff to just doing, David
Farraki we blog and Curi Ipposter with US High Lads. Mike,
was there anything Toby said that you thought, well, madness,
absolute madness.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, he was getting a wee bit carried away. I thought,
you know, this is a this is a planetary issue.
It's an existential threat to all of us. And I
think that, you know, while he finds some of this
report extreme, people have to be told the extent of
the problem and the risks we all face. You know,
until we get the public on side with the threat
(00:41):
that climate change causes, we're not going to change anything.
And so yes, there will be some extreme rhetoric from
time to time, but it's sort of necessary to ram
home the extent.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Of the problem.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
David, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
There was a wee behome agreed with? There? Not most
of it, because I think what gets ignored is the
reality we do like selling our food overseas as well
as to us, but if we're not doing our bit,
there will be protectionist barriers go up. People will say Nope.
If you're not doing anything, we're not going to buy
from you, and that's going to hurt the rural sector.
(01:16):
Two where I think he is right is we can't
rely on just planting trees because here's the problem. Heather
pine trees last for a few years. Carbon and the
environment lasts for somewhere between eight hundred to two thousand years,
and you just can't reduce you know, you can't lock
them up for two thousand years the land. So we
(01:39):
do it. You have a pretty hard conversation about how
do we reduce emissions because just planting trees isn't really
going to be a long term solution.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Those protection of barriers, David, that you were talking about
is that in the EU agreement.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The EU especially has shown that that.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
And what are our agreements of what other agreements have
those protectionist barriers?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Well, it's not so much that there's both what governments
may do, but there's also consumer The.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Consumer thing is a fallacy, it doesn't happen, So it's
just the EU agreement.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
And the EU agreement sucks anyway for our productive sector.
So who cares.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, you don't want to be the one country in
the sort of developed world, especially who's not seen to
be pulling your.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, we're not going to be, are we, David, because
the US is going to pull out all together, so
it's gonna be two of us.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But well, no, that's true, but the US is a
big country. It can't be bate. We can be Yeah,
fair enough.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Hey, Mike, what do you make of the call for
Una Jegozi to lose her job?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, look, this is a really sad and there's a
pems here today. It's a horrific issue and it's a
heartbreaking issue. Look, I think it's about time that somebody
in government or the top of the public sector in
this country put their hand up into responsibility for an
issue like this. We're very good in this country at
ducking responsibility, and it would it'd be a really powerful
(02:58):
gesture if actually offered her resignation. Now it would come
down to the government, to the minister whether or not
they accept it, and they accept or reject as appropriate,
but just the offer of resignation would be sort of
signed from the highest levels that these issues are just
appalling and traumatizing and shocking and that something is going
to change. As I say, we model ourselves on the
(03:21):
Westminster model is the style of government, and under that model,
the buck normally stops with the minister. But it's not
all part of our culture like it is in the
UK and elsewhere. Yeah, and so I think it would
be a powerful gesture if she at least offered to.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Go the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate
the marketing of your home.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Back of the huddle.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Mike Munroe, David Farrett, David, I can understand the idea
of making somebody accountable like Una Jugosi, but the only
reservation I have is that she was acting in the
crown space interest, which is her job. So it seems
unfair maybe to make her responsible. And also if you
go for a quick fix like that, you get satisfied,
walk away and don't actually fix the actual problem. Potentially,
what do you think I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Both defend and condemn her? Are you the thing that
she shouldn't resign over this because she wasn't just saying
his chief of government agency, but she's the lawyer for
the government. Her job was to do what the clients say.
Don't blame the lawyer, you need to blame the people
who instructed the lawyer. So in that regard, I don't
(04:25):
think she should reside. I don't think she should reside
for her prosecution guidelines, which were terrible.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yeah, I can agree with you on that, but that once.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
She is responsible for she wrote them. They're awful taken back.
But no, on this one, I think you have to
be careful about leaking the clients escape responsive for the lawyer,
the why, the public service, the ones who actually ran
the institutions, that's where I think you want to see
more of their accountability.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, don't you think, Mike, doesn't that make sense? I mean,
you need to go after the people who are actually
responsible for this.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah. True, But it's the people at the top of
her ultimately responsible, isn't it. You know, I'm an important
thing here is like David says, it's about redress and
doing something about it. But sometimes in politics, you know,
gestures are important, and there's people here who feel really
aggrieved that you know that Juggo's aggressively through everything at
(05:17):
legal challenges to try and shut them up, and at
the end, she is at the top of the tree
and she's responsible. So that's that's why I maintained that
you know, we have to demonstrate to those survivors that
we've heard them and we take this very seriously. And
a resignation is offered and it'll probably be declined by Collins,
(05:38):
and that's fine, but performance of offering is important.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, Literisen, David, I am coming around, especially after the
story about the truck and the KINDI and the stuff
that's gone on with eleven year old killed at a
school with cars going too fuss and stuff. I'm coming
around to the idea of dropping the speed limits around kids,
even if it inconveniences us a wee bit. Am I
going mad?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
You're not getting mad? But depends what you mean by
around kids around schools. Absolutely, But if you're saying every
residential road in New Zealand must be done to three here, cas,
then I think you are gain about man. I think
at the end, you know it has to be what's suitable.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
But how do we make our neighborhood safe? David?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
How do we You've got little kids, how do you
make them safe so that you feel comfortable about sending
the dudes out on their bikes?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, actually, it's more about the quality of the road
than about the speed they go. Out either at here
or fifty k's there is danger there. So I think
it's actually comes back to what's appropriate for that road.
The thing is a lot most residential roads, he k
is fine, but they're feeder roads and they're the roads
that get everyone into the main highways, et cetera. Then
(06:48):
you came to have real congestion effects from that. So
some suburban roads, absolutely all of them.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Know, Mike, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah? I tend to agree that this is not one
of those areas where you know, one one size fit's all,
one rule fit's all. It's got to come down to
the sort of built up nature of the area, the
quality of the road around schools, cleaning it's important. But
you know all the data and all the science shows.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Sorry, Mike, you do the dishes.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I am cooking dinner because I has COVID, so I've
got the kids, so I am actually cooking around. They
all multitasking.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It is fine.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Cherizo and pumpkin risotto.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
How old are they?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
How old are the kids?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Not the tomorrow old tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
That is impressive, there's, Mike. That is a good palette
for a five year old, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'm very impressed. Yeah, I've got I've got I've got
grandkids and they're only very little. But but yeah, you're
you're setting a high standard for the for me, for
the future there.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, geez.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I got to tell you what. I tried to snick
a Carbonara in the in the dude the other day
and he flat out he said to me, I don't
like it. I like bolannais so.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
They all love thank god. The younger one. We did
take to a buffet dinner the other day and you know,
you've got fifty dishes to choose from here, you had
twelve bread rolls.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
And the people, the people charging you for that, were like,
this is the best deal ever. Yes of bread.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Guys, listen, thank you as always really appreciate the pair
of you. That's Mike Monroe and David Farret a Hudle
this evening.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talk sai'd Be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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