December 4, 2024 • 7 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Mark Sainsbury and Early Edition host Ryan Bridge joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Labour's Ayesha Verrall raised a few eyebrows after she accused Health Commissioner Lester Levy of 'cooking the books' in his previous DHB rules. Should we take these accusations seriously?
Kāinga Ora has ruled out putting wool carpets in its houses - because it's more expensive than nylon alternatives. There's plenty of disappointment from the Government - what do we make of this?
Public sector Christmas parties seem like they'll be a sad affair this time round - with some requiring staff to bring their own food or alcohol. Is this the right move?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've got the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's international realty,
local and global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
So on the Huddle we have Ryan Bridge, who's still.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Awake, good evening to be very.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good man, and of course Mark Sainsbury as well broadcast
welcome back, Mark, get A Andrey. What you doing these days?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Well? Ah, well, bits and pieces.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
I still do a lot of well used to do
a lot of event work in a bit of media advice.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So are you can I just ask the question, is
the media so obviously you're preparing to actually become mayor
of Wellington?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Is it right?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay? Now, look, gentlemen, you have just heard a severel
and the battle against Leicester Levy And as I said beforehand,
you know, gosh, don't you wish we had a duel
and we could actually do ten pieces and you know
see what happens next. What did you make of that?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Ryan, Well, it's scrusioning wheat and shock horror. There's a
bit of scrutiny. I mean the problem. I sort of
agree with what Arsaberah was saying towards the end of
that interview, like are we being a bit precious with
the whole use of that phrase. But it's kind of
it's the right issue, the wrong approach. I think for her,
(01:12):
she's at risk of looking like she's playing the man
and not the ball. And she didn't need to bring
up the past because she said it was a history
of cooking the books. She's got a smoking gun in
the newsroom reporting from today that there was this financial
trickery that they were trying to do, trying to switch
the cost for some years, attribute them to others. There
was a whistleblower. The order to General says, you can't
(01:34):
do that. There's your smoking gum, that's your AMMO for
your session. No need to raise the passing discretion. So
I think right issue, probably wrong approach because the headline
now looks like you know Veral ghosts here.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, that's right, and that's Zach how I treated the interview.
That you went so ballistic that you've taken all all
detension off your message.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, look, I'm a bit I'm a bit with Ryan
on this one.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I mean, in one in one sense, you could sort
of say, oh, look, you know that's is just a
fametory calling someone the cooking the books, lest the leave
he's been around a long time and he's suffered the
slings and arrows at most places that he's gone. So yeah,
I mean, you look at those select committee processes in
the UK, you know, once we had Murdock get the
pie in the face. I reckon, they're great and it's
(02:19):
a great forum to have a look at things. So
I think there's a bit of both. I think, yes,
she probably could have been more had a more fruitful
attack taking it from another way, but you know, it's
not the end of the world. And boy boy, I
mean I've heard worse things throwing around in that place.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Than that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Absolutely, gentlemen, it's lovely to have you on the program.
We're back in just a few months time.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the
marketing of your Home.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Mark Jamesbury and Ryan Bridge on the Huddle today. Mark,
can I ask you, are you a Nylon man or
a wool man when it comes to a KO home.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Oh, definitely, definitely, Wolf.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I think you know what if it's more expensive, well,
see this, this thing has to be a trade off.
Foreign number years ago to refurbish the beehive, they discovered
all the veneer that used has sort of come from
some endangered forest in Indonesia somewhere. You know, they're supposed
to and they have to sort of rip it all
out and do it again. But they're supposed to also
show an example. And if you're tutting government departments, try
(03:17):
and look support our industry, support local products. You know,
I think there should be a buying guide in supporting
New Zealand supplies wherever possible.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
And I think in.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
The wool industry needs us much support and get and
it's a fantastic product.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, look they say it's
going to be thirty four percent more expensive to put
it in wool, But then the brimwidth guy and a
carpet mill guy have come out and said they didn't
even ask us. And you know, we see so little
of this carpet Ryan that that we could have sharpened
the pencil and be more than competitive.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think the hold fire for a one eighty U
turn on this one. Mark Patterson, the Associate Agriculture Minister,
it sounds like he's going to do some tweaking to
the procurement rules and they'll reverse it. I mean, when
else do you get Farmers, the Greens, Winston Peters all
sitting down holding hand singing Kumbaya on the same issue.
And it's in the coalition agreement with New Zealand First
(04:10):
as well. There is a caveat on that agreement where
it says we're practical, and you could argue that maybe
with that cost in seventy five thousand times, it's not practical.
But I think they're going to go back to the
drawing board and they're going to come back and they're
going to one eighty.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Right, Well, okay, we'll see right, you're right, it's part
of the New Zealand First coalition agreement. But at the
same time, you know, doing preferential deals for corporates would
not be what ACT believes in. So the other coalition
partner we'll be saying, no, that's corporate welfare.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The most interesting part of the story, I think is
the wording in the document. I mean, why not even
allow the wool industry to apply to be a for
the contract of course specifically?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
No, Well, I mean they might.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Discount their products and beat the nylon price, you know,
why not let them? That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I think it was a low level functionary who just
made a decision based on a gut feeling.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
You record or else, Andrew, they could have said, you
guys are telling us to save money everywhere, Well stuff
you and your preference for the chief adoption.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Then you can wear it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, we're talking about the lack of money. Of course,
we have the reports through that public sector Christmas parties
are going to be pretty sad that nobody's actually having one.
They can't afford to have one, and they're not even
going to have one and pay for it themselves. So
do you feel any sympathy, Mark.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, look I do.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
But look I can remember back in the days when
you know you're working at tv ands. The Christmas party
is greatly reduced over time, but it used to be
when you're working some of the Christmas party, who is
something you affward to all year.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
That's gone.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I mean those days are gone when they started asking
people to pay for it. You organize it yourself, you
get a better do. But you know, once again, you're
in a public service. You just laid off sort of
whatever percentage of your work colleagues are down the road.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's not a great look to be seen and then
spending money on a Christmas.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, well here here's another point of view. It is
well known the public service pay packets are actually lower
than private area. So you've taken you've taken the hit
in your personal money to actually help the world, Ryan
and to help the country, and they don't even say
thank you by buying you a couple of shardies.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No, these bureaucrats don't even bother turning up for work
these days. They instead of working from home, they can
party from home and they can hear it on their
own dime. I'm not having I did feel bad actually
reading the story. It said that there was it spoke
about Crown Law. I think it was there's a Crown
Law Social Committee fund raising group. Yes, I mean how
(06:39):
that just sounds sad, doesn't it? Imagine someone going around
doing a sausage or happening around the.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Can.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I just say, the city council has been doing that
forever because they don't fund that sort of stuff. And
you've got all their managers. If they're going to say
thank you, they pay for their own pocket.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I let's create some envy here, you guys having a Christmas.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, of course we are do.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You have to pay? No any jobs going.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can be Yeah, you can enter.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Ryan, Ryan took the job mate. You should have applied.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You must be the only guys running and breddy Well
you know you're successful.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Successful?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Have you every have you?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Mark Sainsbury? You caught yourself a broadcaster? You've never heard
of the word contract?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah? Yes, well, in fact we used to do that
in the We don't.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Know, sir, what stays and broadcasting stays and stays and
broadcasting you know what I mean? Thank you gentlemen, Ryan Bridge,
Mark Sainsbury. This is News Talk.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive. Listen live to
News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
We've got the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's international realty,
local and global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
So on the Huddle we have Ryan Bridge, who's still.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Awake, good evening to be very.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good man, and of course Mark Sainsbury as well broadcast
welcome back, Mark, get A Andrey. What you doing these days?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Well? Ah, well, bits and pieces.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
I still do a lot of well used to do
a lot of event work in a bit of media advice.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So are you can I just ask the question, is
the media so obviously you're preparing to actually become mayor
of Wellington?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Is it right?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay? Now, look, gentlemen, you have just heard a severel
and the battle against Leicester Levy And as I said beforehand,
you know, gosh, don't you wish we had a duel
and we could actually do ten pieces and you know
see what happens next. What did you make of that?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Ryan, Well, it's scrusioning wheat and shock horror. There's a
bit of scrutiny. I mean the problem. I sort of
agree with what Arsaberah was saying towards the end of
that interview, like are we being a bit precious with
the whole use of that phrase. But it's kind of
it's the right issue, the wrong approach. I think for her,
(01:12):
she's at risk of looking like she's playing the man
and not the ball. And she didn't need to bring
up the past because she said it was a history
of cooking the books. She's got a smoking gun in
the newsroom reporting from today that there was this financial
trickery that they were trying to do, trying to switch
the cost for some years, attribute them to others. There
was a whistleblower. The order to General says, you can't
(01:34):
do that. There's your smoking gum, that's your AMMO for
your session. No need to raise the passing discretion. So
I think right issue, probably wrong approach because the headline
now looks like you know Veral ghosts here.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, that's right, and that's Zach how I treated the interview.
That you went so ballistic that you've taken all all
detension off your message.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, look, I'm a bit I'm a bit with Ryan
on this one.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I mean, in one in one sense, you could sort
of say, oh, look, you know that's is just a
fametory calling someone the cooking the books, lest the leave
he's been around a long time and he's suffered the
slings and arrows at most places that he's gone. So yeah,
I mean, you look at those select committee processes in
the UK, you know, once we had Murdock get the
pie in the face. I reckon, they're great and it's
(02:19):
a great forum to have a look at things. So
I think there's a bit of both. I think, yes,
she probably could have been more had a more fruitful
attack taking it from another way, but you know, it's
not the end of the world. And boy boy, I
mean I've heard worse things throwing around in that place.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Than that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Absolutely, gentlemen, it's lovely to have you on the program.
We're back in just a few months time.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the
marketing of your Home.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Mark Jamesbury and Ryan Bridge on the Huddle today. Mark,
can I ask you, are you a Nylon man or
a wool man when it comes to a KO home.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Oh, definitely, definitely, Wolf.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I think you know what if it's more expensive, well,
see this, this thing has to be a trade off.
Foreign number years ago to refurbish the beehive, they discovered
all the veneer that used has sort of come from
some endangered forest in Indonesia somewhere. You know, they're supposed
to and they have to sort of rip it all
out and do it again. But they're supposed to also
show an example. And if you're tutting government departments, try
(03:17):
and look support our industry, support local products. You know,
I think there should be a buying guide in supporting
New Zealand supplies wherever possible.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
And I think in.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
The wool industry needs us much support and get and
it's a fantastic product.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, look they say it's
going to be thirty four percent more expensive to put
it in wool, But then the brimwidth guy and a
carpet mill guy have come out and said they didn't
even ask us. And you know, we see so little
of this carpet Ryan that that we could have sharpened
the pencil and be more than competitive.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think the hold fire for a one eighty U
turn on this one. Mark Patterson, the Associate Agriculture Minister,
it sounds like he's going to do some tweaking to
the procurement rules and they'll reverse it. I mean, when
else do you get Farmers, the Greens, Winston Peters all
sitting down holding hand singing Kumbaya on the same issue.
And it's in the coalition agreement with New Zealand First
(04:10):
as well. There is a caveat on that agreement where
it says we're practical, and you could argue that maybe
with that cost in seventy five thousand times, it's not practical.
But I think they're going to go back to the
drawing board and they're going to come back and they're
going to one eighty.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Right, Well, okay, we'll see right, you're right, it's part
of the New Zealand First coalition agreement. But at the
same time, you know, doing preferential deals for corporates would
not be what ACT believes in. So the other coalition
partner we'll be saying, no, that's corporate welfare.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The most interesting part of the story, I think is
the wording in the document. I mean, why not even
allow the wool industry to apply to be a for
the contract of course specifically?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
No, Well, I mean they might.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Discount their products and beat the nylon price, you know,
why not let them? That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I think it was a low level functionary who just
made a decision based on a gut feeling.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
You record or else, Andrew, they could have said, you
guys are telling us to save money everywhere, Well stuff
you and your preference for the chief adoption.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Then you can wear it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, we're talking about the lack of money. Of course,
we have the reports through that public sector Christmas parties
are going to be pretty sad that nobody's actually having one.
They can't afford to have one, and they're not even
going to have one and pay for it themselves. So
do you feel any sympathy, Mark.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, look I do.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
But look I can remember back in the days when
you know you're working at tv ands. The Christmas party
is greatly reduced over time, but it used to be
when you're working some of the Christmas party, who is
something you affward to all year.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
That's gone.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I mean those days are gone when they started asking
people to pay for it. You organize it yourself, you
get a better do. But you know, once again, you're
in a public service. You just laid off sort of
whatever percentage of your work colleagues are down the road.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's not a great look to be seen and then
spending money on a Christmas.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, well here here's another point of view. It is
well known the public service pay packets are actually lower
than private area. So you've taken you've taken the hit
in your personal money to actually help the world, Ryan
and to help the country, and they don't even say
thank you by buying you a couple of shardies.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No, these bureaucrats don't even bother turning up for work
these days. They instead of working from home, they can
party from home and they can hear it on their
own dime. I'm not having I did feel bad actually
reading the story. It said that there was it spoke
about Crown Law. I think it was there's a Crown
Law Social Committee fund raising group. Yes, I mean how
(06:39):
that just sounds sad, doesn't it? Imagine someone going around
doing a sausage or happening around the.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Can.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I just say, the city council has been doing that
forever because they don't fund that sort of stuff. And
you've got all their managers. If they're going to say
thank you, they pay for their own pocket.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I let's create some envy here, you guys having a Christmas.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, of course we are do.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You have to pay? No any jobs going.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can be Yeah, you can enter.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Ryan, Ryan took the job mate. You should have applied.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You must be the only guys running and breddy Well
you know you're successful.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Successful?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Have you every have you?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Mark Sainsbury? You caught yourself a broadcaster? You've never heard
of the word contract?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah? Yes, well, in fact we used to do that
in the We don't.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Know, sir, what stays and broadcasting stays and stays and
broadcasting you know what I mean? Thank you gentlemen, Ryan Bridge,
Mark Sainsbury. This is News Talk.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive. Listen live to
News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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