September 8, 2025 • 7 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Josie Pagani from Child Fund joined in on a discussion following the issue of the day - and more!
The Tom Phillips saga has been eventful - what did we make of all this?
Stuart Nash has switched over to NZ First and Labour lost big to Te Pati Māori in the Tamaki Makaurau by-election. What does this all mean for Labour?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just the reminder, the police are holding a press conference
again in ten minutes time on Tom Phillips and the kids,
so we will be bringing you that live. Tris Sharerson
and Joseph Gania with us on the huddle this evening.
Hello you two, Hello, Hello Trish. What did you make
of the Tom Phillips The way this has played out?
It is really grim and sad, isn't it horrible?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Tragic? But unfortunately, probably if we'd looked at Tom Phillips'
behavior over the you know, particularly over the last few months,
it was probably predictable. From here, my ask is this,
these kids did not ask to be dragged into this.
They were very small children at the time, and I
(00:46):
think from here we need to protect these kids and
their futures. So my ask would be not to splash
these kids in their faces all over the media. My
ask would be if there's footage of the kids coming out,
that it's pixelated. These kids will have to live with
what's online about them from here, and they are going
(01:06):
to have a hell of a road to re integrate
back they are probably in a really difficult state. And
so that would be my ask from here that we
should really now think about protecting the kids and their
identity because the pressure that would come on them from
having their faces splashed around is going to add to
(01:29):
what they have to work through and live with for
the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, a really good point, AJOC.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And it's been extraordinary that it's taken nearly four years
for this to come to an almost inevitable conclusion. I mean,
you know Tom Phillips had guns. We knew he had guns.
There are children there. Inevitably, at some point a gun's
going to go off, right, And that was always the
fair And I think that explains when you look at
it and you think, how could the police not found
(01:54):
them sooner? I think the explanation is that that combination
of kids, guns and an unstable father was just an
awful potential situation just.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Waiting to go off.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So I mean, go your heart goes out to the cop.
I mean, we've probably all got cop friends. I've got
a mother whose son is a cop. You know, you
just think you know this cops who is in hospital
stable condition, but you know been shot multiple times in
the head. I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish, and I
think it's going to be really hard to guarantee that.
I mean, there's just so much interest in this story,
(02:31):
but you know, those kids are gonna they're just going
to face an uphill.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But sometimes I think that we have to put our
own sort of not prurient interests, but their curiosity. There
is no public interest in showing these kids over time.
And I was thinking back today to famous sort of
cases of young people who kind of were wrapped up
(02:56):
in a story that the nation became focused on. I'm
thinking of the Twins way back on the day because
I worked on that with the Homes program. Those girls
really had a much tougher time because the media were
focused on them. And remember, these kids are mine, minor minors.
These kids aren't even teenagers yet. And as I say,
this is all out of their control. So I think,
(03:18):
you know, that would be for all of us interested
in this, covering it, editors, whatever, I think, thinking about
those kids and we're too from here has got to
be the big thing. And I also agree with Josie
a massive shout out to that cop. You know, I
grew up in a very rural community. Often cops go
out in the middle of the night to very remote areas.
(03:39):
They do an amazing job. So you know, obviously all
good wishes go out to that policeman and his family.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I really hope he gets better soon, really quickly.
What do you think, Josie, Am I am? I am?
I being weird about Stuart Nashville.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Is it the coup?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is it just because I like him? Or is it
a coop?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
We all likes you and it is the best not
kept secret. I mean, it was no secret that, as
you said, flirting with New Zealand first and Winston, you're shameless, shamelessly,
honestly short of taking his top off and showing off,
showing off.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
His gal he's done for me.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Don't give him an excuse to take his shirt off.
But I do think, to be serious, I think he's
got you know, when you look at him in government, forestry,
he's got stuff he wants to.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Do around crime, policing.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
These are things he feels are unfinished and I can understand.
And look, I mean, I feel you're talking about being
a sort of center left person and politician. I feel
like I'm in the center left, and I think the
center can be really radical. And I feel like people
like me and perhaps Stuart to have been excommunicated for
Labour Party, they.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Don't even realize what a lot it is to lose you.
People likes you and you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, And I will go to overseas conferences where it's
sort of you know, labor parties and social democratic parties
and so on, and I'm sitting there on a panel
with the likes of kire Stamer and whatever, and I'm thinking,
no question whatsoever that I belong in the labor movement here.
Oh you know, I mean I wrote a column about
it this week. I've got attacked by Media Watch and
(05:12):
Aaron Z for being what was that, something like crotchety
and conservative opinions ostensibly less conservative.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was like, try to tell.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Audience that I'm I'm conservatively ostensibly.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
She did not answer the question, Trish, have I got
weird about stew or is it actually a coup?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's a coup, I thank you. I do think it's
a coup for New Zealand. First, you know what I
love about Stuart Nash. Some people would describe it as hutzpa.
Other people would describe it as having moretion, more front
than a rat with a gold tooth. There's just something
really likable about ste I also, I'm equal parts fascinated
(05:51):
and sort of you know, dumb struck by people who
just can't get politics out of their system and they
and they want to go back. But to Joe's point,
I think it's another blow for Labor in a weekend
when they have had another schooling on the fact that
they have lost their core constituency. So the loss for
(06:13):
them in the Tama Chemikodo by election, and as you
pointed out, that loss came particularly from the working class suburbs.
That to me is going to do two things. One is,
hopefully it sends Labor thinking harder about the fact that
they cannot just coast to the next election. But number two,
(06:34):
the fact that they have really lost touch and lost
their way. And I think, if anything, that by election
is probably going to be a call to action about
Chris Hipkins's.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
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Speaker 2 (06:53):
What right, you're back with news talks. We just back
with the huddle, standing by for the police press conference
as soon as they front up for the cameras. We
will break to it, so you know, don't worry, you're
not going to miss out on anything. In the meantime,
Tris Jerson and JOSEPEGANI is with us. Josie I interrupted,
you wanted to say something about the by election.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Well, so, yes, it's bad for Labor. I mean they
failed to get the vote out, right, So there was
literally about I think twenty percent of forty four thousand
eligible voters. That's about that's that's almost half the number
who came out in the election. Now, yes, by elections
the vote number always goes down, but you know, you'd
also say Labor and TA Party Marti failed to get
(07:31):
a big vote out, So that's not a resounding you
know positive.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your
one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just the reminder, the police are holding a press conference
again in ten minutes time on Tom Phillips and the kids,
so we will be bringing you that live. Tris Sharerson
and Joseph Gania with us on the huddle this evening.
Hello you two, Hello, Hello Trish. What did you make
of the Tom Phillips The way this has played out?
It is really grim and sad, isn't it horrible?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Tragic? But unfortunately, probably if we'd looked at Tom Phillips'
behavior over the you know, particularly over the last few months,
it was probably predictable. From here, my ask is this,
these kids did not ask to be dragged into this.
They were very small children at the time, and I
(00:46):
think from here we need to protect these kids and
their futures. So my ask would be not to splash
these kids in their faces all over the media. My
ask would be if there's footage of the kids coming out,
that it's pixelated. These kids will have to live with
what's online about them from here, and they are going
(01:06):
to have a hell of a road to re integrate
back they are probably in a really difficult state. And
so that would be my ask from here that we
should really now think about protecting the kids and their
identity because the pressure that would come on them from
having their faces splashed around is going to add to
(01:29):
what they have to work through and live with for
the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, a really good point, AJOC.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And it's been extraordinary that it's taken nearly four years
for this to come to an almost inevitable conclusion. I mean,
you know Tom Phillips had guns. We knew he had guns.
There are children there. Inevitably, at some point a gun's
going to go off, right, And that was always the
fair And I think that explains when you look at
it and you think, how could the police not found
(01:54):
them sooner? I think the explanation is that that combination
of kids, guns and an unstable father was just an
awful potential situation just.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Waiting to go off.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So I mean, go your heart goes out to the cop.
I mean, we've probably all got cop friends. I've got
a mother whose son is a cop. You know, you
just think you know this cops who is in hospital
stable condition, but you know been shot multiple times in
the head. I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish, and I
think it's going to be really hard to guarantee that.
I mean, there's just so much interest in this story,
(02:31):
but you know, those kids are gonna they're just going
to face an uphill.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But sometimes I think that we have to put our
own sort of not prurient interests, but their curiosity. There
is no public interest in showing these kids over time.
And I was thinking back today to famous sort of
cases of young people who kind of were wrapped up
(02:56):
in a story that the nation became focused on. I'm
thinking of the Twins way back on the day because
I worked on that with the Homes program. Those girls
really had a much tougher time because the media were
focused on them. And remember, these kids are mine, minor minors.
These kids aren't even teenagers yet. And as I say,
this is all out of their control. So I think,
(03:18):
you know, that would be for all of us interested
in this, covering it, editors, whatever, I think, thinking about
those kids and we're too from here has got to
be the big thing. And I also agree with Josie
a massive shout out to that cop. You know, I
grew up in a very rural community. Often cops go
out in the middle of the night to very remote areas.
(03:39):
They do an amazing job. So you know, obviously all
good wishes go out to that policeman and his family.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, I really hope he gets better soon, really quickly.
What do you think, Josie, Am I am? I am?
I being weird about Stuart Nashville.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Is it the coup?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is it just because I like him? Or is it
a coop?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
We all likes you and it is the best not
kept secret. I mean, it was no secret that, as
you said, flirting with New Zealand first and Winston, you're shameless, shamelessly,
honestly short of taking his top off and showing off,
showing off.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
His gal he's done for me.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Don't give him an excuse to take his shirt off.
But I do think, to be serious, I think he's
got you know, when you look at him in government, forestry,
he's got stuff he wants to.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Do around crime, policing.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
These are things he feels are unfinished and I can understand.
And look, I mean, I feel you're talking about being
a sort of center left person and politician. I feel
like I'm in the center left, and I think the
center can be really radical. And I feel like people
like me and perhaps Stuart to have been excommunicated for
Labour Party, they.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Don't even realize what a lot it is to lose you.
People likes you and you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, And I will go to overseas conferences where it's
sort of you know, labor parties and social democratic parties
and so on, and I'm sitting there on a panel
with the likes of kire Stamer and whatever, and I'm thinking,
no question whatsoever that I belong in the labor movement here.
Oh you know, I mean I wrote a column about
it this week. I've got attacked by Media Watch and
(05:12):
Aaron Z for being what was that, something like crotchety
and conservative opinions ostensibly less conservative.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was like, try to tell.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Audience that I'm I'm conservatively ostensibly.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
She did not answer the question, Trish, have I got
weird about stew or is it actually a coup?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's a coup, I thank you. I do think it's
a coup for New Zealand. First, you know what I
love about Stuart Nash. Some people would describe it as hutzpa.
Other people would describe it as having moretion, more front
than a rat with a gold tooth. There's just something
really likable about ste I also, I'm equal parts fascinated
(05:51):
and sort of you know, dumb struck by people who
just can't get politics out of their system and they
and they want to go back. But to Joe's point,
I think it's another blow for Labor in a weekend
when they have had another schooling on the fact that
they have lost their core constituency. So the loss for
(06:13):
them in the Tama Chemikodo by election, and as you
pointed out, that loss came particularly from the working class suburbs.
That to me is going to do two things. One is,
hopefully it sends Labor thinking harder about the fact that
they cannot just coast to the next election. But number two,
(06:34):
the fact that they have really lost touch and lost
their way. And I think, if anything, that by election
is probably going to be a call to action about
Chris Hipkins's.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What right, you're back with news talks. We just back
with the huddle, standing by for the police press conference
as soon as they front up for the cameras. We
will break to it, so you know, don't worry, you're
not going to miss out on anything. In the meantime,
Tris Jerson and JOSEPEGANI is with us. Josie I interrupted,
you wanted to say something about the by election.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Well, so, yes, it's bad for Labor. I mean they
failed to get the vote out, right, So there was
literally about I think twenty percent of forty four thousand
eligible voters. That's about that's that's almost half the number
who came out in the election. Now, yes, by elections
the vote number always goes down, but you know, you'd
also say Labor and TA Party Marti failed to get
(07:31):
a big vote out, So that's not a resounding you
know positive.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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