August 8, 2025 • 12 mins
Tonight on the Huddle, NewstalkZB Sports reporter Nathan Limm and Oceania Football Confederation media manager Matt Brown join Heather duPlessis-Allan to discuss the latest sports news.
Should NZ keep letting top rugby players run away overseas? Or is it making it harder to track who will come home to play for the All Blacks. Will letting them go overseas devalue Super Rugby here?
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Charts here for the darkers the cutters, are you serious?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Twenty points to wait too?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
The full time.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Scot You know, we had some discussions about the length
of contract. That was probably the main thing, but ultimately,
you know, Richie's decided to go through the end of
the World Cup, which we're really pleased by.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I think people ignore this very impressive performance.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
By Hawk's Bay, who have absolutely taken the county's Monna
coast steal us to the cleaners.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Are the sports huddled with us this evening? We have
Nathan Limb News Talk Z'B sport reporter and Matt Brown
Oceania Football Confederation media manager. High lads.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Hello Heather, Hi Heather, Hi Napan Hey Brownie, how are
you very well?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Long time, no year.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What have you been up to, Nathan or me? I've
just been just being busy, busy, it's confidential.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Just taking the magey out of you. Hey, Nathan, listen,
We're going to have to do this, aren't we. Aren't
we just going to have to simply go the way
of every other Southern Hemisphere rugby nation and start picking
the overseas based players.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Why, because how many Richiemonger games have you watched this
this year either none?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Because he plays for Japan.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
How many Jordy Barrett games have you seen?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
None?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Right, So if we open the borders and we let
all our top players just go overseas, we're not going
to see them.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Because you need follow up question. How many Super Rugby
games did I watch?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
How many Super Rugby? Okay? Well, I don't care, right, Okay,
wasn't your editorial on this though?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah? But my editorial is I think protecting Super Rugby,
which is a crap product, is a dumb idea because
it's already a crap product.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't think it's a crap product. You How you
can't say that if you didn't watch any of the games.
How are you in a position to say it's a
crep product if you didn't watch the game.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
It's a good point that you may.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I watched the games and I thought it was a
really good product this year, Heather. You know you could
make the point that, Okay, Australia lets all their players
go overseas and they're in Super Rugby, But Australia Rugby
in Australia is about the fifth or sixth top sport
in New Zealand Rugby is the national sport. We live
and breathe it. Obviously that's changing in recent times. But
if we just let all our players go overseas, all
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our best players, we're not going to see them. So
this national conversation that we have every time when it
comes to who's going to be in the All Black
squad and everyone's predicting their squads, it becomes it's part
of you know, the national psyche. Everyone has their own squads,
everyone debates about it. No one is going to have
any idea who gets into the All Blacks every year
because no one is going to be able to keep
track of all of our players. It is so hard
(02:37):
to just watch the Japanese league, and if they're playing
all in loads of different leagues around the world, we're
not going to see them. Super rugby products is going
to be devalued. Less people are going to watch it,
there's going to be less money. So I don't see
any upside, Okay do you, Matt.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
No, I just to agree with Nathan to be honest
on this one. I think. Look, one of the things
one of the arguments against letting the players go is
that will devalue the product back here and you know
Super rugby. If you think of sports global sports around
around the world, you know football shore with footballers the
English Premier League is where they need to be the
top players in the world and we all watch that.
But with rugby, you know Super rugby in New Zealand,
(03:14):
rugby is when a product that people around the world
tune in too. And if we let our best players
just go will in it because the reality is if
you pick them from overseas, more of our very best
players will play overseas because they're in demand. The product
here will be the valued. Further, you'll I don't think
crowds are that great, but they are. They would certainly
become a lot less in Super Rugby than what they
(03:34):
have been. And this season we did see a fantastic
Super Rugby competition, and revenue for New Zealand rugby will
drop considerably because the product won't be enough money.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
What's more important to you Super Rugby or the All Blacks?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, personally, I think, like most key Wees, want to
see the All Blacks do well to see.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Then what happened this year and last year is that
we did not have Richiemu Wonga, the best number ten
because of this rule. So what we decided is we
wanted to protect the suit, but Rabbi didn't even protect it.
I wanted to protect it, and we lost him. And
potentially there will be more of that with these guys.
Go guys, I want to make the dollars and they
head off overseas and we can't pick the best all blacks.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, but also if you look at the other way around,
I mean, there are players that have stayed in New
Zealand rugby a lot longer than perhaps what they would
have done. I mean you've got and you've got players
like a boat in Barratt for example, going overseas the
sabbatical clause. It's not perfect, but it has worked. You
have some very good players, I mean Ardie Severe is
doing it. And now if it's some very good players
who have done it come back and have still maybe
(04:31):
all blacks and have gone and have still been good
all blacks, So I think, yeah, otherwise we're going to
we're going to have a very young all black team
if we let everyone go and don't change change the rules,
so you can you cay can eat it. But I'm
more in favor of the current rules.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Still on the subject of Ardi, is he going to
sign with the Saudias.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Durikin, Is he going to sign with the Soundas and
the Rugby I have no idea. There's still this is
still all up in the air in terms of this
new sort of global competition, whether it's going to work
work really because you know, there's a lot of logistics
in terms of having a rugby competition where you've got
all of your teams and you're moving them all from
(05:09):
place to place around the world. I don't really understand
how they're going to make any money from it. If one,
I guess so, but if one's totally different.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Like why don't you do it like the sevens?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like the sevens? You mean the sevens that has just
been massively downgraded because there's no money in it and
they don't know what to do that it's not working
as a product, so like you can't compare it to that.
Otherwise we're just we're going to go down a rabbit
hole here. But I look, I have no idea. Art
is obviously going to go Overseas next year on his sabbatical,
but I think until there's some actual legs and some
(05:44):
actual announcements to the story. We kind of just have
to take it with a grain of set.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
If they did manage to pull it off, would you
watch it? God, I've got to be honest. I'm fizzling
for it. I hope it works well.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I don't watch live golf, and I watched one round
of live golf, since you know, some of the best
players world joined live golf, so I would say, no.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
I was, so, is this an ideological thing from you?
You're like, I don't want to watchy Saudi money.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, No, it's not. Actually it's it's it's not ideological.
It's I'm quite a traditionalist. I'm a bit of a purist.
I'll watch international rugby test rugby, you know, I like
watching rugby in our time zones here in New Zealand,
I don't watch, even though they are you know, Champions
Cup and things like that in Europe by and large.
(06:27):
So it's not it's it's it's look, am I scared
of something new? Maybe there's there and that and me
as well, but but look, the reality is there's just
not enough detail yet, and we'd have to see what
the detail is before I can hither.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You're just playing Devil's advocate here, because you just said
you didn't watch any of the ones for Around the
World and you don't want Super Rugby. But you're going
to get up in the middle of the night time Saudi,
so no one's going to watch it.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I've got a record, Have you not got Sky recording?
And then you can watch it?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I don't have Sky. I'm twenty four years old. I
can't afford that I'm consistent.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
I'm consistent in this. Okay. The reason i don't watch
the Super Rugby is because I'm so frustrated by the rules.
The reason I'm into the Saudi product is because I'm
hoping that they break free of World Rugby and and
and tweak the rules to be a better product.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, then all of the players who go and play
for them would be going to a different effectively, a
different sport. When you go to go to play test
right now.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
It will be better rugby, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Better? What are the rules you're changing here?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Do you want to go down this? Okay? First of all,
First of all, I want to just get rid of
the scrum altogether. Impact better rugby.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That's what it's called.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Because I don't I hate the scrum and it's not
a visual spectacle. Right then I'd want to change the
rules so you're an attacking game, not a defensive game.
Right then I'd want to limit what the TMO is doing.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And I just.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Do you want to watch sevens when I want to
watch an r L don't? I?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Okay? So you want to watch an entirely different sport.
And what are we talking about here?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Nathan? You carry on like this your band from the
sports right.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand, Southby's International Realty,
the Ones Fun last Results, Right.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
You're back with the sports title. We've got Matt Brown
and Nathan Lim Matt, Actually, can I just ask you something?
How do you stop the people throwing the dildos on
the court?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You probably don't make a big fuss of it. If
you make a big fuss of it and you start
banning it, that just encourages people to try and get
around the rules, right And yeah, I don't know, I
don't know how you actually stop it, but I mean
bag search bag searchers. I suppose they're away, but you
(08:44):
know you just wear a big jacket, don't you, And
you're stuff it in that so yeah, I would imagine
that gets around it pat them down.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
We've never worked out how to stop streakers, have we,
So like idiots are always going to be idiots. And
like you said, Brownie about you know, you tell someone
not to do something and make a big deal out
of it, and it just almost puts the idea. I
remember sitting in the kitchen at seven or eight years
old and my mum just turns to me and goes, Nathan,
never stick a knife in the toaster. And I remember
(09:13):
thinking that was random. The thought had never crossed my mind,
but now that she said not to do it, that
was the only thing I could think about.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Did you do it?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I did? Luckily it was turned off at the wall,
so we were Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Honestly you are your mum. Wow, she no wonder she
said to you not to do it, but she's a
truth the kid that does it. Holy Leanna. Okay, well
I've learned to parenting lesson there now. Nathan. You've been
working on this stuff that's going on with the netball
and the change of rules and stuff like that. There
are rumors flying that now we've changed the rules for grace,
a whole bunch of players want to head over to
(09:45):
the Aussies. Is this true?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yes, which players, so senior Silver Ferns will have the
option to. But Netble New Zealand have been deliberately vague
around the criteria that you need to meet in order
to be able to receive an eligibility exemption and play
in netball overseas. I've seen a bit of noise from
the players about, oh, it's frustrating because we don't know
what the criteria is. But I like the fact that
(10:08):
they have made it vague and it is a collaborative
decision between the player, the Silver Ferns coach Dame Night
and Totoo and Netball New Zealand. Because if they put
out a list of rules and say you have to
play this mini tests, you have to do this, this,
and this, players will just try and hit those markers
and immediately it's subjective, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Actually we think and we think you're rubbish, and they'll
make the decision based on that.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah. Well it allows them more control over keeping some
players here and the majority of the good players here
and making a few exceptions for those really outstanding circumstances
like Grace Wickie.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah, and this Matt is a mirror of what I
was talking about with the All Blacks, Right, we are
going to devalue our local competition, but the netball that
the Silver Ferns may actually come out of this better.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, potentially. Well, I think it's slightly different in the
sense that I think, you know, the best netball competition
in the world club competition is the Australian one. It's
of a better standard of ours overall, and so our
best players play and there are going to get better.
And if you've got silver Ferns playing in there and
they are eligible to still play for the Silver Ferns,
then the Silver Ferns the national team may actually be
stronger for it. So and I think with netball's little
(11:11):
bit different. I mean, you pack those little stadiums, three
four thousand people, the atmosphere is great, you can still
it's still a good standard of players. I just think
from a netball perspective, it was kind of necessary because
you want Grace Wiki playing and you want other top
silver Ferns. But you are going to have a few
more of our best, and I say a few. I
don't think it's going to be the floodgates going to
open something all twenty first choice silver Ferns are going
(11:33):
to play across the Tasman But yeah, it's almost a
little bit of a compromise. But I don't mind it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Again, it's a nice halfway point, yeah between because the
other thing is, if you're comparing it to the rugby argument,
Super Rugby's competition that has a good structure, a good
base of money behind it. You can guarantee the players
a job next year, whereas the netballers, on the other hand,
have had this whole thing if we don't know if
there's going to be a competition for the majority of
this year. We now have a broadcast deal.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Nathan Lenmark my words, we're going the same way and
Super Rugby, and it's just a matter of time before
were having the same discussion as net for all right,
I mean I'm not.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The experts, you know what you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, pretending anyway, Hey, Matt, good luck with the Magpies
top of the table.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Ah, indeed they should be for another week at least.
Tiger away this weekend under the beautiful weather conditions, no.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Problems le after how many games are.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
One? Yeah, you'll get me on again in a few weeks.
I'm sure, and I'm sure we'll still be top.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Take the wins when you can get them. Hey, lads,
thank you very much. I really appreciate it from both
of you. That's Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation Media manager
and Nathan the Newstalks ZIB sportsporter who will be back.
Don't worry, he's not been banded.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
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Charts here for the darkers the cutters, are you serious?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Twenty points to wait too?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
The full time.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Scot You know, we had some discussions about the length
of contract. That was probably the main thing, but ultimately,
you know, Richie's decided to go through the end of
the World Cup, which we're really pleased by.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I think people ignore this very impressive performance.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
By Hawk's Bay, who have absolutely taken the county's Monna
coast steal us to the cleaners.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Are the sports huddled with us this evening? We have
Nathan Limb News Talk Z'B sport reporter and Matt Brown
Oceania Football Confederation media manager. High lads.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Hello Heather, Hi Heather, Hi Napan Hey Brownie, how are
you very well?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Long time, no year.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What have you been up to, Nathan or me? I've
just been just being busy, busy, it's confidential.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Just taking the magey out of you. Hey, Nathan, listen,
We're going to have to do this, aren't we. Aren't
we just going to have to simply go the way
of every other Southern Hemisphere rugby nation and start picking
the overseas based players.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Why, because how many Richiemonger games have you watched this
this year either none?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Because he plays for Japan.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
How many Jordy Barrett games have you seen?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
None?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Right, So if we open the borders and we let
all our top players just go overseas, we're not going
to see them.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Because you need follow up question. How many Super Rugby
games did I watch?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
How many Super Rugby? Okay? Well, I don't care, right, Okay,
wasn't your editorial on this though?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah? But my editorial is I think protecting Super Rugby,
which is a crap product, is a dumb idea because
it's already a crap product.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't think it's a crap product. You How you
can't say that if you didn't watch any of the games.
How are you in a position to say it's a
crep product if you didn't watch the game.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
It's a good point that you may.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I watched the games and I thought it was a
really good product this year, Heather. You know you could
make the point that, Okay, Australia lets all their players
go overseas and they're in Super Rugby, But Australia Rugby
in Australia is about the fifth or sixth top sport
in New Zealand Rugby is the national sport. We live
and breathe it. Obviously that's changing in recent times. But
if we just let all our players go overseas, all
(02:16):
our best players, we're not going to see them. So
this national conversation that we have every time when it
comes to who's going to be in the All Black
squad and everyone's predicting their squads, it becomes it's part
of you know, the national psyche. Everyone has their own squads,
everyone debates about it. No one is going to have
any idea who gets into the All Blacks every year
because no one is going to be able to keep
track of all of our players. It is so hard
(02:37):
to just watch the Japanese league, and if they're playing
all in loads of different leagues around the world, we're
not going to see them. Super rugby products is going
to be devalued. Less people are going to watch it,
there's going to be less money. So I don't see
any upside, Okay do you, Matt.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
No, I just to agree with Nathan to be honest
on this one. I think. Look, one of the things
one of the arguments against letting the players go is
that will devalue the product back here and you know
Super rugby. If you think of sports global sports around
around the world, you know football shore with footballers the
English Premier League is where they need to be the
top players in the world and we all watch that.
But with rugby, you know Super rugby in New Zealand,
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rugby is when a product that people around the world
tune in too. And if we let our best players
just go will in it because the reality is if
you pick them from overseas, more of our very best
players will play overseas because they're in demand. The product
here will be the valued. Further, you'll I don't think
crowds are that great, but they are. They would certainly
become a lot less in Super Rugby than what they
(03:34):
have been. And this season we did see a fantastic
Super Rugby competition, and revenue for New Zealand rugby will
drop considerably because the product won't be enough money.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
What's more important to you Super Rugby or the All Blacks?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, personally, I think, like most key Wees, want to
see the All Blacks do well to see.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Then what happened this year and last year is that
we did not have Richiemu Wonga, the best number ten
because of this rule. So what we decided is we
wanted to protect the suit, but Rabbi didn't even protect it.
I wanted to protect it, and we lost him. And
potentially there will be more of that with these guys.
Go guys, I want to make the dollars and they
head off overseas and we can't pick the best all blacks.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, but also if you look at the other way around,
I mean, there are players that have stayed in New
Zealand rugby a lot longer than perhaps what they would
have done. I mean you've got and you've got players
like a boat in Barratt for example, going overseas the
sabbatical clause. It's not perfect, but it has worked. You
have some very good players, I mean Ardie Severe is
doing it. And now if it's some very good players
who have done it come back and have still maybe
(04:31):
all blacks and have gone and have still been good
all blacks, So I think, yeah, otherwise we're going to
we're going to have a very young all black team
if we let everyone go and don't change change the rules,
so you can you cay can eat it. But I'm
more in favor of the current rules.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Still on the subject of Ardi, is he going to
sign with the Saudias.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Durikin, Is he going to sign with the Soundas and
the Rugby I have no idea. There's still this is
still all up in the air in terms of this
new sort of global competition, whether it's going to work
work really because you know, there's a lot of logistics
in terms of having a rugby competition where you've got
all of your teams and you're moving them all from
(05:09):
place to place around the world. I don't really understand
how they're going to make any money from it. If one,
I guess so, but if one's totally different.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Like why don't you do it like the sevens?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like the sevens? You mean the sevens that has just
been massively downgraded because there's no money in it and
they don't know what to do that it's not working
as a product, so like you can't compare it to that.
Otherwise we're just we're going to go down a rabbit
hole here. But I look, I have no idea. Art
is obviously going to go Overseas next year on his sabbatical,
but I think until there's some actual legs and some
(05:44):
actual announcements to the story. We kind of just have
to take it with a grain of set.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
If they did manage to pull it off, would you
watch it? God, I've got to be honest. I'm fizzling
for it. I hope it works well.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I don't watch live golf, and I watched one round
of live golf, since you know, some of the best
players world joined live golf, so I would say, no.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
I was, so, is this an ideological thing from you?
You're like, I don't want to watchy Saudi money.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, No, it's not. Actually it's it's it's not ideological.
It's I'm quite a traditionalist. I'm a bit of a purist.
I'll watch international rugby test rugby, you know, I like
watching rugby in our time zones here in New Zealand,
I don't watch, even though they are you know, Champions
Cup and things like that in Europe by and large.
(06:27):
So it's not it's it's it's look, am I scared
of something new? Maybe there's there and that and me
as well, but but look, the reality is there's just
not enough detail yet, and we'd have to see what
the detail is before I can hither.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You're just playing Devil's advocate here, because you just said
you didn't watch any of the ones for Around the
World and you don't want Super Rugby. But you're going
to get up in the middle of the night time Saudi,
so no one's going to watch it.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I've got a record, Have you not got Sky recording?
And then you can watch it?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I don't have Sky. I'm twenty four years old. I
can't afford that I'm consistent.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
I'm consistent in this. Okay. The reason i don't watch
the Super Rugby is because I'm so frustrated by the rules.
The reason I'm into the Saudi product is because I'm
hoping that they break free of World Rugby and and
and tweak the rules to be a better product.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, then all of the players who go and play
for them would be going to a different effectively, a
different sport. When you go to go to play test
right now.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
It will be better rugby, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Better? What are the rules you're changing here?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Do you want to go down this? Okay? First of all,
First of all, I want to just get rid of
the scrum altogether. Impact better rugby.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That's what it's called.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Because I don't I hate the scrum and it's not
a visual spectacle. Right then I'd want to change the
rules so you're an attacking game, not a defensive game.
Right then I'd want to limit what the TMO is doing.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And I just.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Do you want to watch sevens when I want to
watch an r L don't? I?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Okay? So you want to watch an entirely different sport.
And what are we talking about here?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Nathan? You carry on like this your band from the
sports right.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand, Southby's International Realty,
the Ones Fun last Results, Right.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
You're back with the sports title. We've got Matt Brown
and Nathan Lim Matt, Actually, can I just ask you something?
How do you stop the people throwing the dildos on
the court?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You probably don't make a big fuss of it. If
you make a big fuss of it and you start
banning it, that just encourages people to try and get
around the rules, right And yeah, I don't know, I
don't know how you actually stop it, but I mean
bag search bag searchers. I suppose they're away, but you
(08:44):
know you just wear a big jacket, don't you, And
you're stuff it in that so yeah, I would imagine
that gets around it pat them down.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
We've never worked out how to stop streakers, have we,
So like idiots are always going to be idiots. And
like you said, Brownie about you know, you tell someone
not to do something and make a big deal out
of it, and it just almost puts the idea. I
remember sitting in the kitchen at seven or eight years
old and my mum just turns to me and goes, Nathan,
never stick a knife in the toaster. And I remember
(09:13):
thinking that was random. The thought had never crossed my mind,
but now that she said not to do it, that
was the only thing I could think about.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Did you do it?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I did? Luckily it was turned off at the wall,
so we were Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Honestly you are your mum. Wow, she no wonder she
said to you not to do it, but she's a
truth the kid that does it. Holy Leanna. Okay, well
I've learned to parenting lesson there now. Nathan. You've been
working on this stuff that's going on with the netball
and the change of rules and stuff like that. There
are rumors flying that now we've changed the rules for grace,
a whole bunch of players want to head over to
(09:45):
the Aussies. Is this true?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yes, which players, so senior Silver Ferns will have the
option to. But Netble New Zealand have been deliberately vague
around the criteria that you need to meet in order
to be able to receive an eligibility exemption and play
in netball overseas. I've seen a bit of noise from
the players about, oh, it's frustrating because we don't know
what the criteria is. But I like the fact that
(10:08):
they have made it vague and it is a collaborative
decision between the player, the Silver Ferns coach Dame Night
and Totoo and Netball New Zealand. Because if they put
out a list of rules and say you have to
play this mini tests, you have to do this, this,
and this, players will just try and hit those markers
and immediately it's subjective, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Actually we think and we think you're rubbish, and they'll
make the decision based on that.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah. Well it allows them more control over keeping some
players here and the majority of the good players here
and making a few exceptions for those really outstanding circumstances
like Grace Wickie.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah, and this Matt is a mirror of what I
was talking about with the All Blacks, Right, we are
going to devalue our local competition, but the netball that
the Silver Ferns may actually come out of this better.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, potentially. Well, I think it's slightly different in the
sense that I think, you know, the best netball competition
in the world club competition is the Australian one. It's
of a better standard of ours overall, and so our
best players play and there are going to get better.
And if you've got silver Ferns playing in there and
they are eligible to still play for the Silver Ferns,
then the Silver Ferns the national team may actually be
stronger for it. So and I think with netball's little
(11:11):
bit different. I mean, you pack those little stadiums, three
four thousand people, the atmosphere is great, you can still
it's still a good standard of players. I just think
from a netball perspective, it was kind of necessary because
you want Grace Wiki playing and you want other top
silver Ferns. But you are going to have a few
more of our best, and I say a few. I
don't think it's going to be the floodgates going to
open something all twenty first choice silver Ferns are going
(11:33):
to play across the Tasman But yeah, it's almost a
little bit of a compromise. But I don't mind it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Again, it's a nice halfway point, yeah between because the
other thing is, if you're comparing it to the rugby argument,
Super Rugby's competition that has a good structure, a good
base of money behind it. You can guarantee the players
a job next year, whereas the netballers, on the other hand,
have had this whole thing if we don't know if
there's going to be a competition for the majority of
this year. We now have a broadcast deal.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Nathan Lenmark my words, we're going the same way and
Super Rugby, and it's just a matter of time before
were having the same discussion as net for all right,
I mean I'm not.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The experts, you know what you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, pretending anyway, Hey, Matt, good luck with the Magpies
top of the table.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Ah, indeed they should be for another week at least.
Tiger away this weekend under the beautiful weather conditions, no.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Problems le after how many games are.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
One? Yeah, you'll get me on again in a few weeks.
I'm sure, and I'm sure we'll still be top.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Take the wins when you can get them. Hey, lads,
thank you very much. I really appreciate it from both
of you. That's Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation Media manager
and Nathan the Newstalks ZIB sportsporter who will be back.
Don't worry, he's not been banded.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
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