February 20, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
A senior police officer hit his kids with a belt several times, but was only censured for it by police. The IPCA has said that is grossly inadequate, but nothing will happen as a result. What do we make of this?
Should public servants still get automatic pay rises? Sir Brian Roche says it's unaffordable - do we agree?
Air New Zealand has copped some backlash from Auckland Airport - what do we make of this?
Oscar-winning film director James Cameron wants the Government to invest more money into the film industry to boost the economy. Is now the right time for this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is ten sorry, twenty minutes away from Sex the Huddle.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure
like no other.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
On the Huddle tonight. Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute, Hey, Tim, Hey, Ryan,
how are you doing? Good to have you on?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Thank you? And Mark Sainsbury's here broadcast in Mark Sainsbury
Hey sineso a you Ryan, good? Thanks. This is not
a great look. And the IPCA says, you know, of
all people who you want to make sure that you
run the ruler over, it would be a senior police officer.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Tim, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And look I can see obviously
it's a senior role and police they're supposed to uphold
the law, not break the law. I think, I think
to the comments by the law professor earlier, it seems
that orang A Tamariki the other ones with as he
noted some evidence. Now, whether that was admissible or not,
I guess is something that eventually they determined to shouldn't
(00:51):
go forward with it, but I do. I do note
that this officer has undergone a criminal investigation and employment investortigation.
Ironging A Tumbareki says, look, the kids don't face any
ongoing harm. Now I would I would place some emphasis
on that. I'm not saying it's great to whack your kids.
I'm not saying that at all, no matter how annoyed
(01:13):
you get with them. But but yeah, I think I
think that's that's the aperture to look at this through.
And if I ranging a tambaiki says you know they're
not facing ongoing harm, it seems to be one of
those parental lessons that you go, you know what, I'm
going to stop doing this and we'll move forward.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, Mark, he did that. The dad did say, not
that it's an excuse, but said he had tried other
forms of punishment to stop a certain behavior and this
is where he ended up.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Well, I guess what comes It comes back to what
Mark Kahannon was saying as well, if I had it
been someone else, if you take the list gun example
to the extreme, but you know, someone else. The interesting
thing is there's been hardly any prosecutions. I tried looking
this up and there was I think in the first
sort of six years they had five.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think prosecutions not always successful.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
But as you said, this guy is a cop, and
the thing that I actually was gobsmack. Was the same
thing as you rand was that he was able to
stay well, I'm not going to talk, and the people
who I'm accused of XD harming are not going.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
To talk as well. I can stop them talking. That
was the bit I just found very odd.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, it is weird. I'm mean it makes sense because
they're miners, right, but then they're also the victims. So anyway,
Tim Wilson, Mark Sainsbury on the Huddle, We're back in
just a moment.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
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Speaker 1 (02:33):
You talk to fourteen away from six a huddle tonight.
Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and Mark Sainsbury broadcaster.
That have you ever a mark been on a tenure
based pay progression?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Look? I have some.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
When I first joined TV and Z or what was
it called them? Is it changed that you as BC
and Z, that n Z TV and everything else? It
was the old you know, all your salary's got published.
You could sit there. Oh, I see Tim's getting this
much the lazy bugger and I do twice as much work.
It was a very that regimented public service thing.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But this, yeah, it does does.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It just doesn't seem to sit right, does it. I mean,
it's opposed to cover inequities where people might have been
you know, missed out and all that sort of stuff,
But it seems odd to just sit there and just
keep on, you know, cranking it over.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, just for just for being there, literally, just for
being in the building. This is Brian Roach to Brian
Roach has issued a directive to the government departments to
say that your you know, tenure based pay progression, which
is essentially getting paid for being there for one, two, three, four, five,
twenty forty years, whatever it is, and that's the thing
of the past from now on. Tim good idea.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, look, I think so. I mean it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Like the average annual salary for a public servant in
New Zealand's one hundred and one k, compared to in
the private sector it's eighty two. Probably not comparing like
for like, because public servants probably a bit more qualified.
But I just don't understand, you know, so there is
a disparity there, and if you jump out of the
public sector you might get to pardon me, the private Yeah,
the public sector. Then then you might actually find that
(04:13):
you're getting paid less. I don't understand because the union
is saying, oh, you know, this will create a poor
workplace culture paying people competitively. I would have thought it
might produce the opposite.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I just it's funny because I have never been in
a job where this has happened to me. You know,
any any pay increases you you have to negotiate yourself,
you have to show your performance, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So I just here's the numbers, give me some more dough.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's so unfamiliar to me.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, they're all changed. When I was at TV and Z,
they went from that.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
You know, you said, well, no, you've only been here
so long, and someone else had started a year earlier
than you, so they got paid. And so we went
to a contract system and say, right where you could
argue whatever, you know, whatever you think is is if
you went under contract, you could argue, you know, you'd
argue your own case and instead of having to sort of,
you know, wait for the clock to tick over each
year and you might get set of three percent.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Did you know I would have thought I would have
thought it would make it create a very morbid sort
of environment where you're just waiting, you know, you're basically
waiting for someone in the hot seat to keel over
so that you can have your time. I mean this.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Dining is a topic.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Now, that's now, that's a different gig altogether, not that
I would know anything about that.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Hey, in New Zealand copying a bit of flat It's
not surprising because Auckland Airport's always firing a shot at
in New Zealand and vice versa. But today they've released
the results and they're at it again, and they're saying
that in New zeale's too dominant in the domestic market.
They're eighty four percent of our domestic market and they're
pushing prices up, et cetera. I mean, tell me something,
I don't know. It'd be lovely if we had more
(05:46):
operators here, but we don't, do we.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Tim No, we don't.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And this is with Auckland Airport bagging in New Zealand.
This is a complete monopoly. Bagging are mostly monopoly.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And it's just it's the biggest client team.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, exactly exactly, So it's and we looked, I locked
it up.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It cost five point five k.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
To land a seven forty seven four hundred at Auckland
Airport at sixteen hundred at Wellington. So I'm going to
I'm going to shatter the paradigm. I'm launching Timsy Airport
right now. It'll cost you thirty seven fifty to bring
a seven four seven four hundred in to Land. It
may be a street in the back of Balmoral and Auckland,
but there's no worries with safety.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What about because it's interesting when they do the comparison
to Wellington christiat Ch Airport mark where you are in Wellington,
they reckon that they're actually quite cheap in Auckland.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah, well Wellington is sort of unique problems as it
does with a lot of it's infrastructure. Look, I just
think Greek forums should go for the health hop top
health job because running an airline and running in New Zealand,
that might have to be one of the hardest jobs,
would it.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, Well, especially working working at TV and Z under
a sort of wait for someone to die system sounds
a lot harder, a lot harder.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Saying hey, what about James Cameron. So he was in
Wellington and well he lives in Wellington, just in the Yeah,
and it was at this event last night. Apparently the
event was quite weird, saying, so did you go to
this this?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Actually, Oh, okay, give us the lowdown. What was it about.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Look, I've got to temper that the fact I was
also helping juggle a friend of mine's kids, and so
I had to leave. Really, but there was over a
thousand people turned up. I mean, the vibe was really
interesting and they were talking. He was he was talking
sort of big concepts and things at first, and he
brought up the film Subsidy and he says like, I
know everyone sort of hates that, but we've got to
(07:37):
invest in Wellington. There's a sort of a tech hub
and a film sort of capital again, and.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So went through all of that. The people did.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
They didn't get into the you know what counselors are
shocking and you know who devoted to this and what
about that. What they're talking about is so I know
quite a few of the people involved. What they're talking
about is trying this's have a debate about ideas and
things and just get things on the table before we
sort of then get into the nitty gritty of you know,
how to pay for everything. So, yeah, it was just
(08:07):
really well, there was such an appetite for it. I thought, there,
you know, and James Cameron, you said, the old Jim,
he's such an impressive figure, and of course, you know,
a big round of applause, and he said he's getting
a citizenship in.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
A few months. So look, just having someone like that, who,
let's face it, could live anywhere in the world, you know, yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Invested in Wellington. It is quite good to get this. Look,
something needs to happen to Wellington getting too down.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well that's the thing. It's you've reached rock Bottom and
Wellington and clearly people are ready to start climbing out
of the whole.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
But but I look at this from a distance, Tim,
and I think, you know, billionaire movie man, Hollywood man
comes to Wellington and asks for taxpayer handout to save
the city.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
If the projected film makes money, then it's an investment.
If it doesn't, if it loses money, it's a subsidy.
I've got a couple of film ideas that might help
James Cameron out. A library with anger management issues tries
to find a park in Wellington Central. No, I'm not
gonna Maarry, Okay, Yeah, that's that's a one off. How
(09:09):
about a Wellington City councilor explains why property values have
gone down and rates have gone up?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You won't believe how it ends? What about TV?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
What about TVZ in broadcaster kills the colleague to get
pay right.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Now, we're talking about some serious dough.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
All right, guys, Hey, thanks so much for coming on.
Great to have you both Tim Wilson from the Maximum
Institute and Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster out of Wellington.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
It is ten sorry, twenty minutes away from Sex the Huddle.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure
like no other.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
On the Huddle tonight. Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute, Hey, Tim, Hey, Ryan,
how are you doing? Good to have you on?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Thank you? And Mark Sainsbury's here broadcast in Mark Sainsbury
Hey sineso a you Ryan, good? Thanks. This is not
a great look. And the IPCA says, you know, of
all people who you want to make sure that you
run the ruler over, it would be a senior police officer.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Tim, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And look I can see obviously
it's a senior role and police they're supposed to uphold
the law, not break the law. I think, I think
to the comments by the law professor earlier, it seems
that orang A Tamariki the other ones with as he
noted some evidence. Now, whether that was admissible or not,
I guess is something that eventually they determined to shouldn't
(00:51):
go forward with it, but I do. I do note
that this officer has undergone a criminal investigation and employment investortigation.
Ironging A Tumbareki says, look, the kids don't face any
ongoing harm. Now I would I would place some emphasis
on that. I'm not saying it's great to whack your kids.
I'm not saying that at all, no matter how annoyed
(01:13):
you get with them. But but yeah, I think I
think that's that's the aperture to look at this through.
And if I ranging a tambaiki says you know they're
not facing ongoing harm, it seems to be one of
those parental lessons that you go, you know what, I'm
going to stop doing this and we'll move forward.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, Mark, he did that. The dad did say, not
that it's an excuse, but said he had tried other
forms of punishment to stop a certain behavior and this
is where he ended up.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Well, I guess what comes It comes back to what
Mark Kahannon was saying as well, if I had it
been someone else, if you take the list gun example
to the extreme, but you know, someone else. The interesting
thing is there's been hardly any prosecutions. I tried looking
this up and there was I think in the first
sort of six years they had five.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think prosecutions not always successful.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
But as you said, this guy is a cop, and
the thing that I actually was gobsmack. Was the same
thing as you rand was that he was able to
stay well, I'm not going to talk, and the people
who I'm accused of XD harming are not going.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
To talk as well. I can stop them talking. That
was the bit I just found very odd.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, it is weird. I'm mean it makes sense because
they're miners, right, but then they're also the victims. So anyway,
Tim Wilson, Mark Sainsbury on the Huddle, We're back in
just a moment.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevator Marketing
of your Home.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You talk to fourteen away from six a huddle tonight.
Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and Mark Sainsbury broadcaster.
That have you ever a mark been on a tenure
based pay progression?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Look? I have some.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
When I first joined TV and Z or what was
it called them? Is it changed that you as BC
and Z, that n Z TV and everything else? It
was the old you know, all your salary's got published.
You could sit there. Oh, I see Tim's getting this
much the lazy bugger and I do twice as much work.
It was a very that regimented public service thing.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But this, yeah, it does does.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It just doesn't seem to sit right, does it. I mean,
it's opposed to cover inequities where people might have been
you know, missed out and all that sort of stuff,
But it seems odd to just sit there and just
keep on, you know, cranking it over.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, just for just for being there, literally, just for
being in the building. This is Brian Roach to Brian
Roach has issued a directive to the government departments to
say that your you know, tenure based pay progression, which
is essentially getting paid for being there for one, two, three, four, five,
twenty forty years, whatever it is, and that's the thing
of the past from now on. Tim good idea.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, look, I think so. I mean it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Like the average annual salary for a public servant in
New Zealand's one hundred and one k, compared to in
the private sector it's eighty two. Probably not comparing like
for like, because public servants probably a bit more qualified.
But I just don't understand, you know, so there is
a disparity there, and if you jump out of the
public sector you might get to pardon me, the private Yeah,
the public sector. Then then you might actually find that
(04:13):
you're getting paid less. I don't understand because the union
is saying, oh, you know, this will create a poor
workplace culture paying people competitively. I would have thought it
might produce the opposite.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I just it's funny because I have never been in
a job where this has happened to me. You know,
any any pay increases you you have to negotiate yourself,
you have to show your performance, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So I just here's the numbers, give me some more dough.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's so unfamiliar to me.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, they're all changed. When I was at TV and Z,
they went from that.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
You know, you said, well, no, you've only been here
so long, and someone else had started a year earlier
than you, so they got paid. And so we went
to a contract system and say, right where you could
argue whatever, you know, whatever you think is is if
you went under contract, you could argue, you know, you'd
argue your own case and instead of having to sort of,
you know, wait for the clock to tick over each
year and you might get set of three percent.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Did you know I would have thought I would have
thought it would make it create a very morbid sort
of environment where you're just waiting, you know, you're basically
waiting for someone in the hot seat to keel over
so that you can have your time. I mean this.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Dining is a topic.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Now, that's now, that's a different gig altogether, not that
I would know anything about that.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Hey, in New Zealand copying a bit of flat It's
not surprising because Auckland Airport's always firing a shot at
in New Zealand and vice versa. But today they've released
the results and they're at it again, and they're saying
that in New zeale's too dominant in the domestic market.
They're eighty four percent of our domestic market and they're
pushing prices up, et cetera. I mean, tell me something,
I don't know. It'd be lovely if we had more
(05:46):
operators here, but we don't, do we.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Tim No, we don't.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And this is with Auckland Airport bagging in New Zealand.
This is a complete monopoly. Bagging are mostly monopoly.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And it's just it's the biggest client team.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, exactly exactly, So it's and we looked, I locked
it up.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It cost five point five k.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
To land a seven forty seven four hundred at Auckland
Airport at sixteen hundred at Wellington. So I'm going to
I'm going to shatter the paradigm. I'm launching Timsy Airport
right now. It'll cost you thirty seven fifty to bring
a seven four seven four hundred in to Land. It
may be a street in the back of Balmoral and Auckland,
but there's no worries with safety.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What about because it's interesting when they do the comparison
to Wellington christiat Ch Airport mark where you are in Wellington,
they reckon that they're actually quite cheap in Auckland.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah, well Wellington is sort of unique problems as it
does with a lot of it's infrastructure. Look, I just
think Greek forums should go for the health hop top
health job because running an airline and running in New Zealand,
that might have to be one of the hardest jobs,
would it.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, Well, especially working working at TV and Z under
a sort of wait for someone to die system sounds
a lot harder, a lot harder.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Saying hey, what about James Cameron. So he was in
Wellington and well he lives in Wellington, just in the Yeah,
and it was at this event last night. Apparently the
event was quite weird, saying, so did you go to
this this?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Actually, Oh, okay, give us the lowdown. What was it about.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Look, I've got to temper that the fact I was
also helping juggle a friend of mine's kids, and so
I had to leave. Really, but there was over a
thousand people turned up. I mean, the vibe was really
interesting and they were talking. He was he was talking
sort of big concepts and things at first, and he
brought up the film Subsidy and he says like, I
know everyone sort of hates that, but we've got to
(07:37):
invest in Wellington. There's a sort of a tech hub
and a film sort of capital again, and.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So went through all of that. The people did.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
They didn't get into the you know what counselors are
shocking and you know who devoted to this and what
about that. What they're talking about is so I know
quite a few of the people involved. What they're talking
about is trying this's have a debate about ideas and
things and just get things on the table before we
sort of then get into the nitty gritty of you know,
how to pay for everything. So, yeah, it was just
(08:07):
really well, there was such an appetite for it. I thought, there,
you know, and James Cameron, you said, the old Jim,
he's such an impressive figure, and of course, you know,
a big round of applause, and he said he's getting
a citizenship in.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
A few months. So look, just having someone like that, who,
let's face it, could live anywhere in the world, you know, yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Invested in Wellington. It is quite good to get this. Look,
something needs to happen to Wellington getting too down.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well that's the thing. It's you've reached rock Bottom and
Wellington and clearly people are ready to start climbing out
of the whole.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
But but I look at this from a distance, Tim,
and I think, you know, billionaire movie man, Hollywood man
comes to Wellington and asks for taxpayer handout to save
the city.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
If the projected film makes money, then it's an investment.
If it doesn't, if it loses money, it's a subsidy.
I've got a couple of film ideas that might help
James Cameron out. A library with anger management issues tries
to find a park in Wellington Central. No, I'm not
gonna Maarry, Okay, Yeah, that's that's a one off. How
(09:09):
about a Wellington City councilor explains why property values have
gone down and rates have gone up?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You won't believe how it ends? What about TV?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
What about TVZ in broadcaster kills the colleague to get
pay right.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Now, we're talking about some serious dough.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
All right, guys, Hey, thanks so much for coming on.
Great to have you both Tim Wilson from the Maximum
Institute and Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster out of Wellington.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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