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April 9, 2025 • 10 mins

Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute and Jack Tame from Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!

The Reserve Bank has cut the OCR, and Labour is advocating for Government to step up and do its bit by spending more. Is there really a case for this?

UOA researchers found that higher EV uptake has actually been linked to increased emissions - because we're still using energy to charge them. What do we make of this? 

Benjamin Doyle has explained that they only ever referred to themselves when using the word 'bussy'. They're not going anywhere - but they've voiced disapproval with the hate and threats. Is this the end of the whole saga?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm honestly quite surprised. I made a throwaway comment about
my grandma before we went to news, who's currently having
a knee operation in Wellington in the hospital. Wished her well,
made a little joke that my grandmother would understand and appreciate,
and man people saying I'm disrespectful to I need to
apologize to my grandmother. I've gone down in your estimations,

(00:23):
Sandra says, your popularity with me is now in the toilet.
Don't worry, Grandma understands she's going to be fine.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings and Q and A's
in the studio. Hey Jack, to see.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
You sitting here all comfortable, knowing your poor grandma. She
would have been tuning in. She would have had everyone
at the hospital tuning and saying, listen to this my grandson.
Look at what he's become. He's achieved so much in
this world. Only need to hear those monstrous words unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know what. Granny has a a wilder sense of
humor than I do, even at the ripe old age
of eighty eight. So she'll be cackling away in bed.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
To explain to her what the word bussy means, that's
my question.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, we actually never had that conversation, so I'm hoping
she worked it out on her own. Tim Wilson's with
us two from the Maximum Institute evening, Tim.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh good A and Cira And Yeah, I'm with Jack.
I think once Granny's knees fixed, she's going to walk
up and wash that mouth of yours, healthy mouth of
yours out. What's soap?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
It'll be well deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Then they don't walk far. That's the thing about them.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Oh, I see, you're going to be running away. You're
not going to take your punishment.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Hey, let's talk about something else at the ocr So
we've had twenty five basis point drop today, which everybody
was expecting. Jack probably the right and sensible thing to do.
Plus Christian hawks, we've just got in there. You're hardly
going to come in and shake up boom boom, shake
up the room on the first go, are you No?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I don't think so. And like, if there's one word,
I think I've heard one hundred and fifty thousand times
over the last six or seven days. It's the word uncertainty,
and it just seems to be the thing that is
defining markets and fiscal responses and geopolitics everywhere at the moment.
I mean, there'll be some people who say, actually, the
Reserve Bank should be going harder and faster in the

(02:13):
face of the tariffs. But can anyone say with any
confidence that the tariffs as they stand today are going
to be exactly the same three days from now, seven
days from now, a month from now.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I don't think we can.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
So I think it's probably the prudent response at the
stage for the Reserve Bank just to go, you know
what we're going to We're going to stick with the
directory we we're on for the time being. We're waiting
when the facts change on the ground. If in a
month or so, you know, things are entirely different the
global economies and full blown meltdown and we're looking like
we're staying here, then maybe we changed tack.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, Tim, It's interesting because if you're waiting to fix
and I know a lot of the reports have been saying, oh,
you shouldn't do that, you shouldn't try and pick the
bottom of the market. Well, I'm trying to do that.
So I'm quite happy with how things are going at
the moment, because, if anything, they're going to drop further
and harder than we thought they were.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
You think, so, I enough to Jack's point, I hear
what you're saying, but under you know, in uncertain times,
do you actually maintain the same strategy if you're not
sure or do you think Actually, I'm not sure, I
need to make some amendments. There are some who are
calling saying, oh, you know, we should we should actually
be spending more. We're actually still deficit spending so last
year it was one billion per month, and you've got to,

(03:26):
you know, you've got to. I think Richard People was
arguing this morning that in a in an unstable time
is a high debt load? Actually actually that whise So hmm, yeah,
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I mean, you know,
for the sake of your mortgage, at least maybe go
to fifty basis points.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, I mean, it's that it's the global economy's lost.
But Ryan Bridge is gain, Am I right exact exactly?
There are some silver aligning you.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
By granny by Granny a box of chocolates, right, and
that might be at the.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
End of the day, there's only one thing that matters,
and that's yourself.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yes, yeah, that's just fair.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's just gone eighteen minutes away from sex. We've got
Jack Taman Tim Wilson on the huddle. Will be back
in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
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Speaker 1 (04:12):
Sixteen away from six News Talks, there'd be so Barbara
Edmonds is supposed to be on this program after six
o'clock tonight because she put out quite a strongly worded
email about Nikola Willis.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I just want to say how much I'm looking forward
to that interview. Well, I'm really keenly anticipating that interview.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It may not happen. What We've just had a phone
call from Barbara Edmonds and she's pulled out of the interview.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
She's not upset as a grandma, grandma.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Game that's one of that is. I was thinking it
was about, you know, we're already in debt enough and
that swaye but no, it's grandmaket.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Grandmother so yeah, so Jack and Tim Wilson here, by
the way, Yes, so apparently there was a fire alarm
at Parliament, so therefore the interview needs to be canceled.
How does that make sense? Anyway, We're trying to get
to the bottom of that. Anyway, we'll move on in
the meantime. So Aukland University researchers have found that higher
EV uptake. Have you got an EV Jack, No, you

(05:08):
look like the kind of person that have an EV.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
No. No, I don't know I have. I have a hybrid,
a non plug in home.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well that's okay, Tim, I mean not there's anything wrong
with having an EV, Tim, Do you have an EV.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Most certainly not. I got a Suzuki Swift.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Swifty, so we're okay, And.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Here's but here's here's the deal. Here's the deal. Like,
you know, dirty coal that powers up EV's actually pollutes
more than petrol. There's the battery life issue with EV's.
There's what happens after the batteries coocked itself. The only
person more smug than a Tesla owner right now is
me and the Suzuki Swift.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, but the thing is in New Zealand, it would
be different because it's largely renewable, renewable, it's more.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Than ninety renewable, I think, right, So, but does this
makes sense like that the transport is only you know,
electric power. Transport is only as green as the electricity
that is powering it. And so if you have greds
around the world that are still largely dependent on fossil
fuels and people are charging electric vehicles with electricity that's
generated through fossil fuels, then yeah, this is this makes

(06:11):
entire sense. And it's one of those kind of it's
a bit of a first mover problem, right Like if
you were to say that if you believe in the
green energy transition, and you say that consumers have a
responsibility and that governments have a responsibility, you sort of
need them pulling in the same direction. And you can
look at this and say, well, actually, a big state
of consumers have made the transition to evs and they've

(06:31):
looked for cleaner forms of transportation. But arguably governments around
the world haven't been as quick to move in increasing
their green electricity because a.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Lot of them can't. I mean, there's just like land
reasons why you can't. You know, you don't have enough sun,
you don't have enough salt hydro or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yep, yep, or you don't have enough nuclear power. So
there are still there are still plenty of options, I
think for governments around the world. I mean, sola has
been getting you know, vastly more cheaper you know it
the year, and I think governments around the world have
probably had plenty of opportunities, certainly in developed economies, to
move a little more quickly in greening up their electricity generation.

(07:09):
But yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense, all right, Tim.
The Benjamin Doyle stuff, So they have come out today
and said that they were just being themselves and Bussy
refers to them it's like a nickname. Didn't quite explain
what that meant, whether whether it's the Benjamin the be

(07:30):
and Benjamin is I don't know. I didn't go into that,
but that was the explanation. What do you think, Tim,
you're willing to put this to bed or were you
exercised in the first place?

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, this was the press conference that should have been
held last week. And my thought is that while death
threats are bad, and they're absolutely terrible, they don't insulate
you from criticism. You need to answer the criticism. So
I would say that the Greens haven't really done Benjamin
Doyle much of a favor. What they need to do
is get an independent investigator. That's the way this would

(08:00):
be put to bed. Otherwise it continues to be a
dispute about oh, what does Bossy mean? What you know,
what was the subtext here? What was actually meant? It
just remains problematic.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I don't think an independent investigator is necessary. Look, regardless
of who you vote for, regardless of your politics, we
can all agree that death threats to anyone is totally unacceptable,
right in any context. That being said, I think if
you look at the Greens of the last couple of weeks, honestly,
of the last couple of years, it is very hard

(08:32):
to see how some of the MPs in that party
are at all serious about governing.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
And you know, I.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Think one of the central criticisms I have they're all
out of jail. Well, honestly, I know.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
One of the criticism I have is like, if you
want to create the change that you say is so
vital in the world, well you actually have to get
into government. It's not just a case of being in parliament.
It's a case of being in government, and government means
that you need to be a serious legislater. But I
look at these kind of things as.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
You don't say that check if you listen to them,
they talk more about representationous. This is one of This
is my point.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
This is my point, and I think Benjamin Door's explanation
today distilled that perfectly when they said I was advised
by my party coming in as the MP here, I'm
advised by my party to get rid of that private
Instagram account, and I didn't do it because I wanted
to be authentic to my communities. Well, actually, I would
argue that if you really want to create change in

(09:25):
the world, the most important thing isn't necessarily being as
authentic to your own niche community as.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
You can be.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
It's getting into a position where you govern. And to
get into position where you go, you have to make
good political decisions, and actually these kind of decisions aren't
consistent with that.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Politics is the out of compromise, and you have to
perhaps compromise some of your authenticity to be able to
wield power.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
I think a lot of people will look at this
and just say they're not serious. People like you look
at the time of the Paul situation last week as well,
and she might say I was taken out of context
and this is not what I mean. Again, if the
Greens want to be in power, they actually have to
span their base or get into a position where they
can govern. And you would have to say that in
the eyes of a lot of voters, their MPs are
not some of their MPs are not behaving in ways
that make people think that they're actually at all suitable

(10:10):
for governing positions at the moment.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
And I've got a conspiracy theory here. So this is
this is another this may be another Green domino. So
Andrew Little today announces that he's going to go for
the mea Wellington Craig Rennie non announced might well be
standing for some of the Paul's electorate in the next election.
On this very this very platform the Huddle, the Labor's

(10:32):
going green hunting. I'm just saying the dominoes are falling
and hungry.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
All right, We'll leave it there, guys. Jack tamed Tim
Wilson on The Huddle Tonight.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
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