June 5, 2025 • 11 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Ali Jones from Red PR and Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The big debate on the Maori Party MPs punishment is taking place in Parliament this afternoon. What do we make of all this?
Police investigated complaints against former Beehive staffer Michael Forbes, including him allegedly filming women through windows of houses - but decided against charging him. Do we think the police should have dug deeper into these complaints?
Westgold has raised their butter prices after schools started doing fundraisers with their cheap butter. Is this an acceptable business practice?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle of Me this evening, we have Ali Jones,
Red pr and Tim Wilson of the Maximums Jude Hire
you two, Hi, go what do you make Ali of
Rawdi holding up the noose in the house.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's incredibly inflammatory and absolutely and totally unnecessary. I'm actually
sick to death of it. I was thrilled to hear
Chris Bishop stand up and say let's get on with it.
I really do think this just needs to be sorted.
But it's a bit like kindergarten, isn't it. I mean,
if you want to change the rules in the sandpit,
then do it from the sandpit and from within the
(00:34):
systems that are there, and stop behaving like performing children.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It feels to me like what they're trying to do, Tim,
is they are desperate to keep this going and being
as controversial as possible. And actually the steam has been
taken out of the thing completely by the delay that
happened before the budget, by the fact that Bishop's not there,
Chippy's not there, Brownie's not there, David Symol's not there.
It's just kind of a bit to day, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, Yeah, I think yeah, it's interesting that I think
the irony there too is the measure that is attempting
to enforce rules and create order has produced so much
toddlerish behavior. I mean even Winston with the you know,
the remark about ra scribbles on your face. Come on, Winston,
you're eighty, you're not eight.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
When did he do that?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This? This was earlier in the debate.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh was it okay?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So he too?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Right here? Well, the whole thing just feels like it's
the steam's taken out of it. So we'll just let
them run their course through to six o'clock?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Should we just drop it it? Let's just drop it now.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
That's I would if I could. I mean, you know,
let's cut it off at six and be finished with it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Eli.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I still feel confused about why the police didn't charge
that chap from the Prime Minister's office with being a
peeping tom.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Look, I don't think we're police. We're not criminal experts,
legal experts. I don't know what that bar is to
reach the you know, the required level for criminality in
order to take a prosecution.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Shouldn't and talk about it?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, But I think there are two really important things here. Firstly,
I mean whether it didn't reach the standard or whatever
those standards are. No one seems to have been really
talking about the imbalance of power here. You know, this
is another issue of women being in a position where
they are being taken advantage of by someone a man
(02:28):
in a far, far more senior position. I also think
when I looked at that guy, I thought you are
a dick. There are so many people working in Wellington
in politics doing a damn good job, working very very hard.
Why the hell should you get away with behaving like this?
And the other thing is how on earth did this not?
(02:48):
Was this not on the Police commissioner at the Times radar?
And why was it not fed through to Parliament?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well? Was it?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Though not on his radar? I mean, I feel like
I'm hearing conflicting stories behind the scenes. I'm hearing actually
that he had been told and that there is paper
trail showing he had been told.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well he has come out today. Well then you know
more than I. But I understand that he's come out today.
And he said that he did not know about it,
and he first heard about it in the last twenty
four hours.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So what is he lying? Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't
lay that accusation. But maybe he's just not checking his emails.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know, I don't I can I say, Can I
say something that will maybe bring us all together and
maybe even the toddlers in the house. Can we say,
can we agree that filming pervy videos and supermarkets? Can
we actually make that a crime? Do you mind if
we actually make that a crime? I think you know,
and I've got a.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Perfect part to come on, how do you make that
a crime?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, you just decided it's a crime.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Decide what's pervy or not. Because what yours pervy to
you is artistic.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
To someone out.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I might see that picking your nose, and I might
be like, oh, look that's Tim Wilson from the Huddle
is picking his nose. Let me take a video. And
then you might say, oh, she's being a perverse.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, well, well it would be it would be unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Second part of your argument, please.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The second part of that is, you see what we
could do is for a punishment, we could have the stocks.
Now call me old fashioned, but it would be cost
effective to be public shame and that would take care
of all of this stuff quite readily.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm for that. I'm for that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
There we go, I knew. Thank you Ellie, Thank you Heather.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You want to put people in the stocks?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah? Do you not? Do you not? Let's bring back
let's bring back public shame. I think necessary.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Let's only do the stocks in the summer when tomatoes
are cheap.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Listen to him.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I think I agree.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The point of the stocks was what public humiliation?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Do you not think that we've achieved that?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh? I think I think that's publicly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
If I was Michael Forbes, do you not feel like
this Michael Forbes is going to have to change his
name and go work in the mines, isn't he?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I think he is. And I think probably a positive
in this is that the extraor that the horror at
at these actions, this behavior, and that that's a good thing.
I mean, we expect more from our leaders and from
the people that served them, and mostly the people that
served them work very hard to do so.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah. Can I can I ask you a question, though, Tim,
This is the thing that I'm not decided on yet.
Does this reflect badly on the Prime Minister's office, on
the wider National Party or do people see this as
just a Michael Forbes problem?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah? You know what, I could see. I guess, yeah,
I was thinking about that and whether that you know,
it's it's indicative of anything. At the moment, We've just
got one person who has this has this sort of
industrial campaign of pervery. If we had a few more,
I think, I think that you could see a trend.
But at the moment, it's just it seems to be
one I don't know outlier I would certainly hope.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So, yeah, all right, we'll take a break, come back
to you guys shortly. Tim. Have you seen that West
Gold the butter people raise their prices after the fundraisers
the Kiddi's fundraisers went too hard?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah? Yeah, I just I could not believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I mean, well, you've created a scheme to help charities,
and then when it's really really successful, you decide to
penalize the charities by raising the price to the bar.
I mean, it's a marketing opportunity of a lifetime. It's
publicity money couldn't buy. And I blinded up.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, well, I mean, I mean what I think has
happened yet, Allie, is that they've initially priced the butter
too low, haven't they? I mean four dollars for a
block of West Colt. Butter is clearly too low.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No it's not. And I actually got not sucked into.
This is where my maths should be better. So I
ordered one hundred and what was it, eight hundred and
sixty dollars worth of the butter right so that I
thought they were five hundred grand blocks because for yeah,
I know, four dollars a block.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I thought that's a bloody steal.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That is there about ten dollars in the shops anyway,
Then they were two hundred and fifty grams, so I
halved my order. I'm sorry, I just couldn't afford the
one hundred and sixty. So I've halved the order. But
I'm through to support them, and I would keep doing
this and I would rather buy my butter this way
if it helped the school. And I got my butter.
It is cheaper than the supermarket here there, And I
totally agree with him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
What the hell do you need one hundred and sixty
dollars worth of butter?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Don't?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I haven't ibe he's not listening to this on the
way now we're on a no butter, no fat diet
on the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
My goodness, no, not Actually you know what this is.
This is a brilliant fundraising because here's the deal. Costco
butter is ten bucks of kilo, so that's one buck
one hundred gram. So I'm as as the head of Maxim,
which is a charity, Maxim Institute's charity. I'm going to
go down to Costco, spend a bit of dough and
start flogging butter in the same way.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
In order to raise money for MAXIM. Absolutely, I know
someone who would spend a lot of money on that butter,
and it's Ally Allie. I still don't understand. I can't
understand why you're spending one hundred and sixty dollars on
butter when you're on a diet that doesn't let you
eat it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Because I'm going to put it in the freezer and
I'll come off the diet soon and people come and visit,
and I like to bake for people.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
There's always a reason.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
But also I thought I could help, you know, I'm
supporting the school Leaffield School. I thought i'd support them
and get slightly cheaper but free yeah, oh yes, cheese butter.
You can't freeze toilet rolls. I just put them on
a cupboard.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
But you've got some and I think Alice's got some
explaining to do once when she gets home, of course
he is.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I mean, I feel like the number of children you've
got going on at the moment, Tim, you might need
to get into this as well. Have you ever heard
of the Strava running aptom?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Well, I hadn't until I realized that you can douce
it somehow hack it to tell lies. It's like cheating
when you're playing solitaire.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's ridiculous because you're only cheating yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is that what you mean, Well, well, that's it. I mean,
I think a much better way is to strap the
Strava app to your kids feet and send them out
running and then they can do it. That's that's what
we do with four kids. That's how. That's how you.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You don't need a Strava app is because you have
full kids, so you're basically running all the time. Have
you ever heard of the Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I have.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I'm delivering delivering fliers at the moment for my role
on the city council here on the community board, and
a girlfriend who's helping me actually showed me her delivery
path by showing me the Strava app. So I've loaded it,
but I can't make it work. But one thing I
wanted to say quickly, the footbit app. You can cheat
the footbit if you go to the theater, a live theater,
(09:29):
and you clap, or you do lots of ironing, you
can increase your steps hugely. Ironing and clapping as steps.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, because of course it's the motion. Also, this is
one of the failures, isn't it. Of you know, the
smart watch is reading your sleep because if you're just
lying dead still, you could be wide awake and be
dreaming of how much you like spend on your butter,
just lying there withinsomnia. But as long as your arm's
not moving, it thinks you're sleeping, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Can you forget that about the butter?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
No? I wonder if we're going to just start to
distrust everything digital because it's possible to you know, you've
got deep fakes, you've got AI producing posts on LinkedIn
that read like their posts produced by AI, and now
you can hack Strava. I think if it doesn't actually
happen in front of our noses, we're going to think, no,
this didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
We should have a healthy distrust shouldn't we guys, Thank
you very much, Ellie Jones read pr Tim Wilson Maximus
as to, yeah, so, what's what's happened is that read
the Strava app. It works the same as like Matt
My Run or any of those things, but there't There's
another app called Fake my Run, in which you can
basically pretend you can make it makes it look like
you've done the run, and then you can load that
onto your Strava app and then all your friends will go, oh, wow,
(10:40):
look at how far you've run. Wow, you're amazing, You're great,
But you haven't actually done it at all. And anyway,
I think just apropos what Tim was saying about distrusting
digital stuff. I have a smart watch, but I worry
about my smart watch because I worry a little bit,
ever so slightly. Obviously not enough to take it off,
but I worry ever so slightly about what's going to
happen with this data because one day is the insurance
(11:02):
company going to look at it and go, yeah, well,
we're not going to pay for your hearing aids when
you're sixty five, because look at look at how many
times your smart watch told you it's too noisy, and
you just went dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismiss and you
stayed where it was noisy. You had a warning and actually, no,
we've seen what you did. That's what I'm worried about.
And what really worries me is that the shower sets
(11:24):
it off. Does you'll set it off because I'm in
the shower and it's like, sh it's very noise. It's
too noisy in here. Well, I can't get around that,
can I. So it's lying. And when the insurance company
ruins my life by not paying for my thing because
of the data, it'll be because it got it wrong.
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On the huddle of Me this evening, we have Ali Jones,
Red pr and Tim Wilson of the Maximums Jude Hire
you two, Hi, go what do you make Ali of
Rawdi holding up the noose in the house.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's incredibly inflammatory and absolutely and totally unnecessary. I'm actually
sick to death of it. I was thrilled to hear
Chris Bishop stand up and say let's get on with it.
I really do think this just needs to be sorted.
But it's a bit like kindergarten, isn't it. I mean,
if you want to change the rules in the sandpit,
then do it from the sandpit and from within the
(00:34):
systems that are there, and stop behaving like performing children.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It feels to me like what they're trying to do, Tim,
is they are desperate to keep this going and being
as controversial as possible. And actually the steam has been
taken out of the thing completely by the delay that
happened before the budget, by the fact that Bishop's not there,
Chippy's not there, Brownie's not there, David Symol's not there.
It's just kind of a bit to day, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, Yeah, I think yeah, it's interesting that I think
the irony there too is the measure that is attempting
to enforce rules and create order has produced so much
toddlerish behavior. I mean even Winston with the you know,
the remark about ra scribbles on your face. Come on, Winston,
you're eighty, you're not eight.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
When did he do that?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This? This was earlier in the debate.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh was it okay?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So he too?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Right here? Well, the whole thing just feels like it's
the steam's taken out of it. So we'll just let
them run their course through to six o'clock?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Should we just drop it it? Let's just drop it now.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
That's I would if I could. I mean, you know,
let's cut it off at six and be finished with it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Eli.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I still feel confused about why the police didn't charge
that chap from the Prime Minister's office with being a
peeping tom.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Look, I don't think we're police. We're not criminal experts,
legal experts. I don't know what that bar is to
reach the you know, the required level for criminality in
order to take a prosecution.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Shouldn't and talk about it?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, But I think there are two really important things here. Firstly,
I mean whether it didn't reach the standard or whatever
those standards are. No one seems to have been really
talking about the imbalance of power here. You know, this
is another issue of women being in a position where
they are being taken advantage of by someone a man
(02:28):
in a far, far more senior position. I also think
when I looked at that guy, I thought you are
a dick. There are so many people working in Wellington
in politics doing a damn good job, working very very hard.
Why the hell should you get away with behaving like this?
And the other thing is how on earth did this not?
(02:48):
Was this not on the Police commissioner at the Times radar?
And why was it not fed through to Parliament?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well? Was it?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Though not on his radar? I mean, I feel like
I'm hearing conflicting stories behind the scenes. I'm hearing actually
that he had been told and that there is paper
trail showing he had been told.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well he has come out today. Well then you know
more than I. But I understand that he's come out today.
And he said that he did not know about it,
and he first heard about it in the last twenty
four hours.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So what is he lying? Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't
lay that accusation. But maybe he's just not checking his emails.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know, I don't I can I say, Can I
say something that will maybe bring us all together and
maybe even the toddlers in the house. Can we say,
can we agree that filming pervy videos and supermarkets? Can
we actually make that a crime? Do you mind if
we actually make that a crime? I think you know,
and I've got a.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Perfect part to come on, how do you make that
a crime?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, you just decided it's a crime.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Decide what's pervy or not. Because what yours pervy to
you is artistic.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
To someone out.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I might see that picking your nose, and I might
be like, oh, look that's Tim Wilson from the Huddle
is picking his nose. Let me take a video. And
then you might say, oh, she's being a perverse.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, well, well it would be it would be unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Second part of your argument, please.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The second part of that is, you see what we
could do is for a punishment, we could have the stocks.
Now call me old fashioned, but it would be cost
effective to be public shame and that would take care
of all of this stuff quite readily.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm for that. I'm for that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
There we go, I knew. Thank you Ellie, Thank you Heather.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You want to put people in the stocks?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah? Do you not? Do you not? Let's bring back
let's bring back public shame. I think necessary.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Let's only do the stocks in the summer when tomatoes
are cheap.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Listen to him.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I think I agree.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The point of the stocks was what public humiliation?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Do you not think that we've achieved that?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh? I think I think that's publicly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
If I was Michael Forbes, do you not feel like
this Michael Forbes is going to have to change his
name and go work in the mines, isn't he?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I think he is. And I think probably a positive
in this is that the extraor that the horror at
at these actions, this behavior, and that that's a good thing.
I mean, we expect more from our leaders and from
the people that served them, and mostly the people that
served them work very hard to do so.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah. Can I can I ask you a question, though, Tim,
This is the thing that I'm not decided on yet.
Does this reflect badly on the Prime Minister's office, on
the wider National Party or do people see this as
just a Michael Forbes problem?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah? You know what, I could see. I guess, yeah,
I was thinking about that and whether that you know,
it's it's indicative of anything. At the moment, We've just
got one person who has this has this sort of
industrial campaign of pervery. If we had a few more,
I think, I think that you could see a trend.
But at the moment, it's just it seems to be
one I don't know outlier I would certainly hope.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So, yeah, all right, we'll take a break, come back
to you guys shortly. Tim. Have you seen that West
Gold the butter people raise their prices after the fundraisers
the Kiddi's fundraisers went too hard?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah? Yeah, I just I could not believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I mean, well, you've created a scheme to help charities,
and then when it's really really successful, you decide to
penalize the charities by raising the price to the bar.
I mean, it's a marketing opportunity of a lifetime. It's
publicity money couldn't buy. And I blinded up.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, well, I mean, I mean what I think has
happened yet, Allie, is that they've initially priced the butter
too low, haven't they? I mean four dollars for a
block of West Colt. Butter is clearly too low.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No it's not. And I actually got not sucked into.
This is where my maths should be better. So I
ordered one hundred and what was it, eight hundred and
sixty dollars worth of the butter right so that I
thought they were five hundred grand blocks because for yeah,
I know, four dollars a block.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I thought that's a bloody steal.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That is there about ten dollars in the shops anyway,
Then they were two hundred and fifty grams, so I
halved my order. I'm sorry, I just couldn't afford the
one hundred and sixty. So I've halved the order. But
I'm through to support them, and I would keep doing
this and I would rather buy my butter this way
if it helped the school. And I got my butter.
It is cheaper than the supermarket here there, And I
totally agree with him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
What the hell do you need one hundred and sixty
dollars worth of butter?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Don't?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I haven't ibe he's not listening to this on the
way now we're on a no butter, no fat diet
on the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
My goodness, no, not Actually you know what this is.
This is a brilliant fundraising because here's the deal. Costco
butter is ten bucks of kilo, so that's one buck
one hundred gram. So I'm as as the head of Maxim,
which is a charity, Maxim Institute's charity. I'm going to
go down to Costco, spend a bit of dough and
start flogging butter in the same way.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
In order to raise money for MAXIM. Absolutely, I know
someone who would spend a lot of money on that butter,
and it's Ally Allie. I still don't understand. I can't
understand why you're spending one hundred and sixty dollars on
butter when you're on a diet that doesn't let you
eat it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Because I'm going to put it in the freezer and
I'll come off the diet soon and people come and visit,
and I like to bake for people.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
There's always a reason.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
But also I thought I could help, you know, I'm
supporting the school Leaffield School. I thought i'd support them
and get slightly cheaper but free yeah, oh yes, cheese butter.
You can't freeze toilet rolls. I just put them on
a cupboard.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
But you've got some and I think Alice's got some
explaining to do once when she gets home, of course
he is.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I mean, I feel like the number of children you've
got going on at the moment, Tim, you might need
to get into this as well. Have you ever heard
of the Strava running aptom?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Well, I hadn't until I realized that you can douce
it somehow hack it to tell lies. It's like cheating
when you're playing solitaire.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's ridiculous because you're only cheating yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is that what you mean, Well, well, that's it. I mean,
I think a much better way is to strap the
Strava app to your kids feet and send them out
running and then they can do it. That's that's what
we do with four kids. That's how. That's how you.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You don't need a Strava app is because you have
full kids, so you're basically running all the time. Have
you ever heard of the Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I have.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I'm delivering delivering fliers at the moment for my role
on the city council here on the community board, and
a girlfriend who's helping me actually showed me her delivery
path by showing me the Strava app. So I've loaded it,
but I can't make it work. But one thing I
wanted to say quickly, the footbit app. You can cheat
the footbit if you go to the theater, a live theater,
(09:29):
and you clap, or you do lots of ironing, you
can increase your steps hugely. Ironing and clapping as steps.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, because of course it's the motion. Also, this is
one of the failures, isn't it. Of you know, the
smart watch is reading your sleep because if you're just
lying dead still, you could be wide awake and be
dreaming of how much you like spend on your butter,
just lying there withinsomnia. But as long as your arm's
not moving, it thinks you're sleeping, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Can you forget that about the butter?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
No? I wonder if we're going to just start to
distrust everything digital because it's possible to you know, you've
got deep fakes, you've got AI producing posts on LinkedIn
that read like their posts produced by AI, and now
you can hack Strava. I think if it doesn't actually
happen in front of our noses, we're going to think, no,
this didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
We should have a healthy distrust shouldn't we guys, Thank
you very much, Ellie Jones read pr Tim Wilson Maximus
as to, yeah, so, what's what's happened is that read
the Strava app. It works the same as like Matt
My Run or any of those things, but there't There's
another app called Fake my Run, in which you can
basically pretend you can make it makes it look like
you've done the run, and then you can load that
onto your Strava app and then all your friends will go, oh, wow,
(10:40):
look at how far you've run. Wow, you're amazing, You're great,
But you haven't actually done it at all. And anyway,
I think just apropos what Tim was saying about distrusting
digital stuff. I have a smart watch, but I worry
about my smart watch because I worry a little bit,
ever so slightly. Obviously not enough to take it off,
but I worry ever so slightly about what's going to
happen with this data because one day is the insurance
(11:02):
company going to look at it and go, yeah, well,
we're not going to pay for your hearing aids when
you're sixty five, because look at look at how many
times your smart watch told you it's too noisy, and
you just went dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismiss and you
stayed where it was noisy. You had a warning and actually, no,
we've seen what you did. That's what I'm worried about.
And what really worries me is that the shower sets
(11:24):
it off. Does you'll set it off because I'm in
the shower and it's like, sh it's very noise. It's
too noisy in here. Well, I can't get around that,
can I. So it's lying. And when the insurance company
ruins my life by not paying for my thing because
of the data, it'll be because it got it wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
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