October 15, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Kiwiblog writer and Curia pollster David Farrar and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
It's been a controversial couple of days for the Māori Party. Do we see the party splitting apart? Do we think Labour will officially rule out working with them before next year's election?
A new poll in the Post has indicated Chris Bishop is the successor in waiting for Luxon - what do we make of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm the huddle with me this evening. We have David
Farraki we blogging, Curiapolster and Jack tam who's the host
of Q and at Saturday mornings on z BE High Lads,
Hello Loder, David. Tell me what the BSA has done.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, we only know because the platform has actually released it.
But they made a secret and principal decision that they
not only can censor and regulate traditional broadcasters, but people
who broadcast over the Internet. And least be very clear,
if you read their decision, it means anyone who sends
(00:40):
audio or video over the Internet that's received by p one,
those are a mess of power grab done in secret.
And it's not the way he irritates. Is there an
issue around who regulates and content? Yeah, government's had twenty
reviews on this. You know, the way you normally do
is mchlver policy discussion, green paper white, but you change
(01:01):
the law. But here the BA has just in secret
said no, we've decided we can now regulate you. So
I think this is going to back.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Let me just ask you how this isn't there a
Broadcasting Standards Authority law that tells them what like where
their remit starts and ends.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It does, and it talks about where you send a
program over the radio waves or similar telecommunication device, and
that can be picked up by a device designed from
what they've basically said is, well, we think the Internet
is a telecommunications device and anyone with a mobile phone
(01:43):
is there, and it's clearly not the case when the
Broadcasting It was written, they clearly did not have the Internet. Mind.
We know this too because the government has had numerous
reviews talking about how the Internet isn't covered by the
Broadcasting Act. But now the BSA and secret have this
so oh, actually no, we think it is.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I love the BSA every day. I just love them more.
Hey Jack, on the subject of broadcasting and stuff, How
good are the new rules? You guys are able to
start playing ads during your program on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Ah, it's going to single handily turn around the TV business,
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Do you know what though? It is?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It's kind of funny for me because so we will
cas Q and A on Sunday Mornings live and at
the moment we have those like little ninety second long
station promos. But if you have four minute ads, it
actually means I get less time talking and less time interviewing,
which I'm not actually like as thrilled about as you
might imagine.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Nah, No, you don't need to do that. You can
just cut one of fenn Owen's packages.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
No, I would never do that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
That'd be There'd be the absolute last thing I would cut.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, then you're going. But on the bright side, you've
got enough time now to pop out for a quickly
we you know, make a cup of tea, do stuff
like that which you haven't had a chance to do.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's true, Yeah, yeah, I know A thousand small vile
and play with us Struggling TV presented on Sunday Morning.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
In any case, you guys need the money.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We do need the money. I just don't know that
it's going to be enough to turn things around. I'm
not sure that nobody a huge no, I know, but
in the you know, with a huge shadow of Google
and Facebook looming over the New Zealand broadcasting sector, I
don't know that our Sunday Morning ads and Christmas is
going to turn things around that much.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Maybe no help.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It'll help, David. This is one of those things you
have to wander. I mean like once upon a time
it would have made sense, but you have to wonder.
Help in God's name, it last to till twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I know, there's so many archaic laws. You know, it's
amazing it wasn't repealed early. It is Jack case. It
will make very little financial difference, but it just was.
There were a good reason to keep it, and the
answer is no. Hopefully, what sensible broadcasters will do is say,
we still want to have fifty minutes of Jack on
(03:56):
the air, so we'll make it a sixty five minute
program rather than the Actually.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Jack, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Again? And yeah, exactly, I mean give the people why
they weren't they David? You know?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
N Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Now, Jack, can I ask you a question. Is it
true that Q and A broadcasts on a Sunday morning?
Because there are no ads? No, why does it broadcast
on a Sunday morning? I think to punish you.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
No, I actually I actually preferred Sunday mornings because for
a couple of reasons. So I think when they originally
did it, it was modeled off overseas versions which had
public policy programs on Sunday mornings. The reason I actually
like having it on Sunday mornings personally is that it
fits quite elegantly into the political week, and that if
you think about when cabinet meets, think about post cabin insence,
(04:45):
you think when policies are announced and things, it gives
us a kind of a bit of a bit of
space to consider what's happened in the week and try
and take a kind of bird's eye view. So I'm
quite happy with it. I mean, I haven't had a
rowdy Saturday night in about ten years. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, you we hold before your time. All right, We'll
take a break, come back talk about politics in a minute.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your
one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right back on the huddle with us, we have David Farah,
Jack Tame Jack. Now this Marti party business. How does
this end? Do you think they just break a past?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I certainly think it's extremely likely, given just how acrimonious
things have been over the last few days. I mean,
I mean, I can't imagine, given that email the other nights,
that there's going to be any sort of daytime when
it comes to some members of the party and the
Kupa King family. There could be wrong on that front,
(05:39):
but I can't see it turning around. And I mean
it just you know, it's pretty extraordinary really you consider
what's gone through the House this week. We've just had
the Maria and Coastal Areas Act brought forward in the
House for you know, what was essentially a legislation that
you know was the genesis of Triparty Mardi and instead
(06:00):
of focusing on offering meaningful opposition to that, instead you
have their MPs at six and seven's bickering away, you know.
And if anyone thought that would be going into next
year's election without having questions about whether or not to
party Mardy would be a reliable governing partner, I mean,
this is this is pretty extraordinary. I mean, I think
(06:22):
it is going to be the question for Chris Hopkins
in the in the immediate.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Future, David, do they break apart.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That they really have to lot The email they out
was designed to destroy their MP's reputation. So there's no
way you can see that she is going to be
a candidate for them at next election.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
What happens in the interim. I mean maybe not even
parkou de Feris. But what happens in the interim? Can
they hobble along for another years as a collective party
or do those two have to break apart.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think that's quite possible that they'll break apart before
the election. Might not necessarily be be two to or
it could even be three to three, because it's not
just about the MPs, it's about what the electorates are
are goin to do.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There's going to be the third David.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well who's not a co leader or not a new.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
MP Hannah Raft MP Clark.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yes, so I would watch there very carefully.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think you might.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It would be interesting though, because because they can of
course be waker jumps, right even if they're one electric seat,
there can be waker jump technically. But the question would
be whether or not if they split they to party.
Marty would be game for a by election and someone
like to tie Tolkido, given I think there'd be no
guarantees as to the result of that, especially after after you.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Know the about by elections.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean it's it's unlikely, but it's not inconceivable.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Anything can happen.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Jack, But I mean this is the thing, right, you know,
electric MPs can be waker jump.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So yeah, now, David Listen I had a chat to
Barry about this earlier. There is a problem when you
start talking about things like is happening with Chris lux
about who's going to succeed and you've got polls saying
it's going to be Chris Bishops and stuff like that, that
it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is he in dangerous territory?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yet he's not. But the fact someone did a poll
is the story. The actual result was most people don't
have a view. Basically, oh, sixteen percent ahead of twelve
percent doesn't mean anything, but the media have obviously decided
or in this case the post that you know, there's
enough grumblings that Sole run a pole and it does
(08:40):
partly become itself selling prophecy. The really here is when
Jasindra Doing and John Key, we're prime ministers, know when
ran polls about who you want to succeed them, Because
it's ridiculous. I still don't think it changes in any way.
The basic logic, which is you're crazy to consider changing
your leader your first term in government. It's never been done,
(09:03):
has never worked at, but it's unhelpful. The great saving
grace though in Jexta is tipahi mai because not only
will be scaring people off the left as such a
great distraction for the government.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Sadly, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Jay?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to speculation about a leader,
I'm kind of of the put up or shut up
camp and that I think, like it's just kind of
sometimes it can honestly be a bit of.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
A lazy media narrative like, oh, here we go watching
these polls.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
You know, a long way out from an election and
a prime ministers and as popular as it might be,
that being said, clearly there is a sense of, you know,
a wide sprints of dissatisfaction with the economy at the moment,
which I think is directly linked to National's popularity. In particular,
Christopher Luxon hasn't enjoyed the same levels of support that
(09:55):
ar Dern, Key and even Clark enjoyed, and really in
a way he kind of represents a bit of a
change from those prime ministers who occupied the office for
multiple terms in that he isn't a huge force of personality,
you know, for the most part, if you think back
to whether it was Clark or Key or a Dern,
that those governments were led by really big personalities. They
(10:17):
might have been polarizing, but they were big personalities. And
don't know that you'd put lucks in a net category.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And so yeah, okay, thanks guys, good to talk to you, Jack,
Dame Devia ferre Huddle this evening.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
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leader and Luxury real Estate.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm the huddle with me this evening. We have David
Farraki we blogging, Curiapolster and Jack tam who's the host
of Q and at Saturday mornings on z BE High Lads,
Hello Loder, David. Tell me what the BSA has done.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, we only know because the platform has actually released it.
But they made a secret and principal decision that they
not only can censor and regulate traditional broadcasters, but people
who broadcast over the Internet. And least be very clear,
if you read their decision, it means anyone who sends
(00:40):
audio or video over the Internet that's received by p one,
those are a mess of power grab done in secret.
And it's not the way he irritates. Is there an
issue around who regulates and content? Yeah, government's had twenty
reviews on this. You know, the way you normally do
is mchlver policy discussion, green paper white, but you change
(01:01):
the law. But here the BA has just in secret
said no, we've decided we can now regulate you. So
I think this is going to back.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Let me just ask you how this isn't there a
Broadcasting Standards Authority law that tells them what like where
their remit starts and ends.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It does, and it talks about where you send a
program over the radio waves or similar telecommunication device, and
that can be picked up by a device designed from
what they've basically said is, well, we think the Internet
is a telecommunications device and anyone with a mobile phone
(01:43):
is there, and it's clearly not the case when the
Broadcasting It was written, they clearly did not have the Internet. Mind.
We know this too because the government has had numerous
reviews talking about how the Internet isn't covered by the
Broadcasting Act. But now the BSA and secret have this
so oh, actually no, we think it is.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I love the BSA every day. I just love them more.
Hey Jack, on the subject of broadcasting and stuff, How
good are the new rules? You guys are able to
start playing ads during your program on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Ah, it's going to single handily turn around the TV business,
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Do you know what though? It is?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It's kind of funny for me because so we will
cas Q and A on Sunday Mornings live and at
the moment we have those like little ninety second long
station promos. But if you have four minute ads, it
actually means I get less time talking and less time interviewing,
which I'm not actually like as thrilled about as you
might imagine.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Nah, No, you don't need to do that. You can
just cut one of fenn Owen's packages.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
No, I would never do that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
That'd be There'd be the absolute last thing I would cut.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, then you're going. But on the bright side, you've
got enough time now to pop out for a quickly
we you know, make a cup of tea, do stuff
like that which you haven't had a chance to do.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's true, Yeah, yeah, I know A thousand small vile
and play with us Struggling TV presented on Sunday Morning.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
In any case, you guys need the money.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We do need the money. I just don't know that
it's going to be enough to turn things around. I'm
not sure that nobody a huge no, I know, but
in the you know, with a huge shadow of Google
and Facebook looming over the New Zealand broadcasting sector, I
don't know that our Sunday Morning ads and Christmas is
going to turn things around that much.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Maybe no help.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It'll help, David. This is one of those things you
have to wander. I mean like once upon a time
it would have made sense, but you have to wonder.
Help in God's name, it last to till twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I know, there's so many archaic laws. You know, it's
amazing it wasn't repealed early. It is Jack case. It
will make very little financial difference, but it just was.
There were a good reason to keep it, and the
answer is no. Hopefully, what sensible broadcasters will do is say,
we still want to have fifty minutes of Jack on
(03:56):
the air, so we'll make it a sixty five minute
program rather than the Actually.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Jack, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Again? And yeah, exactly, I mean give the people why
they weren't they David? You know?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
N Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Now, Jack, can I ask you a question. Is it
true that Q and A broadcasts on a Sunday morning?
Because there are no ads? No, why does it broadcast
on a Sunday morning? I think to punish you.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
No, I actually I actually preferred Sunday mornings because for
a couple of reasons. So I think when they originally
did it, it was modeled off overseas versions which had
public policy programs on Sunday mornings. The reason I actually
like having it on Sunday mornings personally is that it
fits quite elegantly into the political week, and that if
you think about when cabinet meets, think about post cabin insence,
(04:45):
you think when policies are announced and things, it gives
us a kind of a bit of a bit of
space to consider what's happened in the week and try
and take a kind of bird's eye view. So I'm
quite happy with it. I mean, I haven't had a
rowdy Saturday night in about ten years. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, you we hold before your time. All right, We'll
take a break, come back talk about politics in a minute.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your
one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right back on the huddle with us, we have David Farah,
Jack Tame Jack. Now this Marti party business. How does
this end? Do you think they just break a past?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I certainly think it's extremely likely, given just how acrimonious
things have been over the last few days. I mean,
I mean, I can't imagine, given that email the other nights,
that there's going to be any sort of daytime when
it comes to some members of the party and the
Kupa King family. There could be wrong on that front,
(05:39):
but I can't see it turning around. And I mean
it just you know, it's pretty extraordinary really you consider
what's gone through the House this week. We've just had
the Maria and Coastal Areas Act brought forward in the
House for you know, what was essentially a legislation that
you know was the genesis of Triparty Mardi and instead
(06:00):
of focusing on offering meaningful opposition to that, instead you
have their MPs at six and seven's bickering away, you know.
And if anyone thought that would be going into next
year's election without having questions about whether or not to
party Mardy would be a reliable governing partner, I mean,
this is this is pretty extraordinary. I mean, I think
(06:22):
it is going to be the question for Chris Hopkins
in the in the immediate.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Future, David, do they break apart.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That they really have to lot The email they out
was designed to destroy their MP's reputation. So there's no
way you can see that she is going to be
a candidate for them at next election.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
What happens in the interim. I mean maybe not even
parkou de Feris. But what happens in the interim? Can
they hobble along for another years as a collective party
or do those two have to break apart.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think that's quite possible that they'll break apart before
the election. Might not necessarily be be two to or
it could even be three to three, because it's not
just about the MPs, it's about what the electorates are
are goin to do.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There's going to be the third David.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well who's not a co leader or not a new.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
MP Hannah Raft MP Clark.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yes, so I would watch there very carefully.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think you might.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It would be interesting though, because because they can of
course be waker jumps, right even if they're one electric seat,
there can be waker jump technically. But the question would
be whether or not if they split they to party.
Marty would be game for a by election and someone
like to tie Tolkido, given I think there'd be no
guarantees as to the result of that, especially after after you.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Know the about by elections.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean it's it's unlikely, but it's not inconceivable.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Anything can happen.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Jack, But I mean this is the thing, right, you know,
electric MPs can be waker jump.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So yeah, now, David Listen I had a chat to
Barry about this earlier. There is a problem when you
start talking about things like is happening with Chris lux
about who's going to succeed and you've got polls saying
it's going to be Chris Bishops and stuff like that, that
it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is he in dangerous territory?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yet he's not. But the fact someone did a poll
is the story. The actual result was most people don't
have a view. Basically, oh, sixteen percent ahead of twelve
percent doesn't mean anything, but the media have obviously decided
or in this case the post that you know, there's
enough grumblings that Sole run a pole and it does
(08:40):
partly become itself selling prophecy. The really here is when
Jasindra Doing and John Key, we're prime ministers, know when
ran polls about who you want to succeed them, Because
it's ridiculous. I still don't think it changes in any way.
The basic logic, which is you're crazy to consider changing
your leader your first term in government. It's never been done,
(09:03):
has never worked at, but it's unhelpful. The great saving
grace though in Jexta is tipahi mai because not only
will be scaring people off the left as such a
great distraction for the government.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Sadly, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Jay?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to speculation about a leader,
I'm kind of of the put up or shut up
camp and that I think, like it's just kind of
sometimes it can honestly be a bit of.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
A lazy media narrative like, oh, here we go watching
these polls.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
You know, a long way out from an election and
a prime ministers and as popular as it might be,
that being said, clearly there is a sense of, you know,
a wide sprints of dissatisfaction with the economy at the moment,
which I think is directly linked to National's popularity. In particular,
Christopher Luxon hasn't enjoyed the same levels of support that
(09:55):
ar Dern, Key and even Clark enjoyed, and really in
a way he kind of represents a bit of a
change from those prime ministers who occupied the office for
multiple terms in that he isn't a huge force of personality,
you know, for the most part, if you think back
to whether it was Clark or Key or a Dern,
that those governments were led by really big personalities. They
(10:17):
might have been polarizing, but they were big personalities. And
don't know that you'd put lucks in a net category.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And so yeah, okay, thanks guys, good to talk to you, Jack,
Dame Devia ferre Huddle this evening.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
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