May 20, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Clare de Lore and Auckland Councillor Maurice Williamson joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The suspension debate for the three Māori Party MPs has been postponed until June 5 in a surprise move. Do we think this is the right call?
It's been revealed Auckland Council spent $3 million on communications and advertising for the green food scrap bins - do we need to scrap them for good?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle of me this evening, we have Morris
Williamson and Claar Door Hello you too. Hello, right, let's
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
What's there?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Go on? So hello to him? I did did you? Okay?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I mean both of you? Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Heather?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Or all right?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So we've done the nice stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What did you have for lunch today?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I didn't have any lunch today. I just got something
out of the food scraps bin. Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good from you, Morris. Good segue. We're going to talk
about that park that one for now clear. What did
you think of what happened in parliament with that? Smart?
As Debbie says, super chess move from Chris Bishop.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
He gets a gold star on his chart as Leader
of the House for that because it was a smart
move and he only really outsmarted those who hadn't thought through.
What would I do if I was trying to shut
this down until after the budget? Because it's just sitting
there as a very obvious thing. So I think it's
a lack of knowledge of standing orders, a lack of
(00:57):
experience and on the part of some people. And I
guess I can say that as somebody who's observed Parliament
for a long time and actually knows someone who used
to do this sort of thing and married to somebody
wh used to shut the house DOWNE just quietly every
now and again. And you know it is an obvious
move if you're trying to figure out how to achieve
exactly exactly what he has.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, what did you think of it, Marris? Did you
think of it?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Was?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, my worry is with Jerry Brownly, the speaker. I
just think Jerry's lost the plot. I think when he
read out on Thursday that he was going to allow
a full debate from anyone who wished to participate. That's
one hundred and twenty two people or something I think
there is now. Then he was going to allow as
many amendments as people wanted to make to it, and
you'd all get a chance to speak to those. What
(01:40):
you'd have ended up with was multiple days, if not
into weeks, that people could keep moving frivolous amendments or
the next stage amendment. Let's move it from three days
of a suspension to four days and then debate that.
He said anybody who moved an amendment would all people
would be allowed to speak again. And when I heard
that ruling, I just went, oh, he has just opened
(02:02):
Pandora's box to and unlimited, especially in budget week. I
thought the only chilt, the only option now left to
the government is they just have to move it on
to another date after the budget. They had no option.
He forced it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What did you think of that, Claire?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I mean it was pretty obvious that it did
take him aback.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You were.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I think Jason Walls wasn't able to see the Speaker's face,
but he looked momentarily disconcerted and then sort of popped
back into the reality that this thing was not happening.
And I think the same too for Chris Hopkins, whod
at one stage had made some sort of interesting points,
but in making the points that he did about the
disproportionality as he argues of this punishment, it's also clear
(02:47):
that what's gone before by way of punishments has had
no deterrent effect, So maybe Parliament does need to get tougher.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What did you can notice that, as Claire? What did
you make of Jerry Brownley's reaction? I mean, is it
is does it seeing that he actually wants this debate
to happen right now?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think he expected it. Whether he in a sense
wanted it. But I think she's caught off guard, but't.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Just caught off guard then by what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Caught off guard, I think the person. I don't think
that Christ Biship kept it entirely to himself, because when
Winston Peters had to leave the house, he did so
very quickly, very quietly, and I think he knew he
wasn't going to be missing his chance to comment on
that debate because it was not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, I did think no, no, but but Winston was
allowed straight back and when question time finished he did
come back into his chair. Look, there was a matter
of there was no choice. There was simply no choice
on this. Jerry forced their hand last Thursday. He hated
what the Privileges Committee had ruled. He couldn't stand it.
He was despised it. And he suddenly realized that he
had opened do you know that Morris?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Are you? Are you? Is that in your you just needed.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
To see just look at his face on last Thursday
and look at the words he said. You know, so
he's had.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Such a strong opinion on what the Privileges Committee's done.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I don't know, but he was bitter about them having
gone so far. He said, yes, there was a room
for punishment, but you know he was really clear, your
body language you don't even need to be a professor
to read it. And so he decided, I can get
you back here. I will leave it to an open
debate with as many I've never heard any speakers say,
with as many amendments as you want to make, and
(04:23):
you'll all be able to speak again on every amendment
you make. And all that did is so well the
government said, well, we've just got to close this down.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's also seldom that you've seen the public galleries closed
to anyone ye observe, And I think that is highly
regrettable that that move had to be taken. If it
had to be taken, because you know, Parliament belongs to us,
it doesn't just belong to MP's.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think it had to be taken, you would have
just lost control of that whole room with the nunt
of people out on the forecourt being.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I mean it is worth us pointing out right that
we may have all we've done is deferred this right.
All of these risks involved with this debate are only
being put off. It could well basically just happen in June,
couldn't it?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
For the reason the REPOI arranged in the meantime the
reason to put it off now.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But the reason to put it off is really clear
if you take how many people there are to speak,
and all the amendments that could be moved, and giving
everyone a chance to have their say. You run a
past budget time on Thursday totally, and that's the one
thing the government couldn't afford. So push it out beyond
budget and let it run for as long as you like.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yep. All right, guys, we'll take a break and then
we'll come back and talk about those food scraps. Morris, right, Morris,
tell me about the food scrapspin. Are you guys going
to get rid of it?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm hopeful we will. I've been opposed to it right
from the outset that had already been decided when I
got elected in twenty twenty two, but I've had a
bit of a campaign going on and now election year.
I want to know any counselors that are happy to
tell rate payers you should be paying seventy four dollars
for a service you don't want. I'm happy to let
those who do want to have a food scrapspin have
(05:54):
one and they should pay the true cost of it. Now,
what you get from other councilors so far saying is
all but any costs and incurred across society to be
spread across everybody. Well, last week I just had someone
come and do my pool inspection and it cost me
two hundred.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Bucks to help you with that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think you should chip in, and so should clear
I shouldn't be It's nonsense. It's absolutely nonsense.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Can we come and swim in your pool?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well no, equally, do you want to go through it?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You can pay for it?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, in our area, I think it's about twenty eight
percent of all people putting rubbish out on a Thursday.
I've done many, many pictures along the street. It's less
than thirty percent. I'm told by officials it's up to
a third for the whole city. I actually don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Also listen, but it's just on the side.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What it is not only if you want it, you pay.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Not only is it a cost for everybody when when
only a third of us are doing it in Auckland.
But even the bigger crime is that it is economically
just ridiculous because you're paying fourteen hundred dollars per carbon
unit saved when you could just buy it from the
ets for fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Correct, It was just virtue signaling by those councils at
the time. Will look like we're doing something to save
the planet. About eighty percent of what they trucked to Reparoa,
so you imagine the carbon being pumped into there by
the trucks, about eighty percent of it is water. Were
they told us they squeeze the water out?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Listen? Bill is texting me furiously. He says, I was
a sleep at science school and that I don't understand
that the water is retained within the vegetables. And they're like,
that's why it's eighty percent water? Or is it actually?
Are we? Are we talking about the water that's produced
by the decomposing process.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, no, no, no, it's like anything. I mean, the
human body seventy five percent of work.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Can we squeeze it out?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, that's right. If you crush the stuff, all the
liquid would pour out and then you be able to
take the dried or the squash stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Don't they do that?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, it's well, they thought that it was actually they
were going to. We were originally told that. Then we
found out it was more expensive and energy wise to
do the crushing and the drying than it was to
just carry the truckloads of water down there. In the end,
this is a lunatic policy. I'm going to be really
interested to see any counselors who vote to retain it,
because they got to face their rate payers, and two
(08:06):
thirds of their ratepayers who are voting don't use the
service but pay for it. It's wrong and it should
be user paid too.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Right now, Claire, I am starting a campaign to get
rid of these stupid elemins, and I've got Morris on
board as you can tell, and the Auckland rate Payers
Alliance would you like to join?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
My brain is aching from what I now know about
food scraps that I didn't know before. You two have
got going on the top.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And you are shock, aren't you? You are shock?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Are shaken? I mean, if you can't use the food scraps,
just pop a bit of ice and it put your
shard Mayana and off you go. Heather, Honestly, I wish,
I mean, I do care about the cost that's been
imposed on people. I hadn't thought it through as well
as Morris hasn't got hot under the collar a food
scrap scrap because by passed me out from now. But
(08:51):
I'm going to go and.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Read up about it. Listen, I appreciate it from the
having food fights of the village square.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
All I want to say is clear, there's shortly something
you care about that we can spend that thirty six
million dollars on. You know that would be better?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh? Totally?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
There is like libraries.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh love a library. Get the least building fixed up.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, we just raved the money and reduce the clear
how about we just reduced the thirteen billion of debt
by that much? That would be good.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, all right, Marris, you go do that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, No, she's on board, she's behind you, she's on.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Just upsets me that every time there's a saving people,
so or what could we spend it on? Well, actually
we've got thirteen thousand million dollars of debt.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I don't know what you are your sensible dad, aren't you?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
All?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We wanted some treats and you say no, put the
money away. All right, it's good though we need boring.
I appreciate it. Morris Williams and Clear de Lure huddle
Speaker 2 (09:47):
This evening for more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen
live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
On the huddle of me this evening, we have Morris
Williamson and Claar Door Hello you too. Hello, right, let's
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
What's there?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Go on? So hello to him? I did did you? Okay?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I mean both of you? Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Heather?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Or all right?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So we've done the nice stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What did you have for lunch today?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I didn't have any lunch today. I just got something
out of the food scraps bin. Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good from you, Morris. Good segue. We're going to talk
about that park that one for now clear. What did
you think of what happened in parliament with that? Smart?
As Debbie says, super chess move from Chris Bishop.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
He gets a gold star on his chart as Leader
of the House for that because it was a smart
move and he only really outsmarted those who hadn't thought through.
What would I do if I was trying to shut
this down until after the budget? Because it's just sitting
there as a very obvious thing. So I think it's
a lack of knowledge of standing orders, a lack of
(00:57):
experience and on the part of some people. And I
guess I can say that as somebody who's observed Parliament
for a long time and actually knows someone who used
to do this sort of thing and married to somebody
wh used to shut the house DOWNE just quietly every
now and again. And you know it is an obvious
move if you're trying to figure out how to achieve
exactly exactly what he has.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, what did you think of it, Marris? Did you
think of it?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Was?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, my worry is with Jerry Brownly, the speaker. I
just think Jerry's lost the plot. I think when he
read out on Thursday that he was going to allow
a full debate from anyone who wished to participate. That's
one hundred and twenty two people or something I think
there is now. Then he was going to allow as
many amendments as people wanted to make to it, and
you'd all get a chance to speak to those. What
(01:40):
you'd have ended up with was multiple days, if not
into weeks, that people could keep moving frivolous amendments or
the next stage amendment. Let's move it from three days
of a suspension to four days and then debate that.
He said anybody who moved an amendment would all people
would be allowed to speak again. And when I heard
that ruling, I just went, oh, he has just opened
(02:02):
Pandora's box to and unlimited, especially in budget week. I
thought the only chilt, the only option now left to
the government is they just have to move it on
to another date after the budget. They had no option.
He forced it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What did you think of that, Claire?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I mean it was pretty obvious that it did
take him aback.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You were.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I think Jason Walls wasn't able to see the Speaker's face,
but he looked momentarily disconcerted and then sort of popped
back into the reality that this thing was not happening.
And I think the same too for Chris Hopkins, whod
at one stage had made some sort of interesting points,
but in making the points that he did about the
disproportionality as he argues of this punishment, it's also clear
(02:47):
that what's gone before by way of punishments has had
no deterrent effect, So maybe Parliament does need to get tougher.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What did you can notice that, as Claire? What did
you make of Jerry Brownley's reaction? I mean, is it
is does it seeing that he actually wants this debate
to happen right now?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think he expected it. Whether he in a sense
wanted it. But I think she's caught off guard, but't.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Just caught off guard then by what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Caught off guard, I think the person. I don't think
that Christ Biship kept it entirely to himself, because when
Winston Peters had to leave the house, he did so
very quickly, very quietly, and I think he knew he
wasn't going to be missing his chance to comment on
that debate because it was not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, I did think no, no, but but Winston was
allowed straight back and when question time finished he did
come back into his chair. Look, there was a matter
of there was no choice. There was simply no choice
on this. Jerry forced their hand last Thursday. He hated
what the Privileges Committee had ruled. He couldn't stand it.
He was despised it. And he suddenly realized that he
had opened do you know that Morris?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Are you? Are you? Is that in your you just needed.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
To see just look at his face on last Thursday
and look at the words he said. You know, so
he's had.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Such a strong opinion on what the Privileges Committee's done.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I don't know, but he was bitter about them having
gone so far. He said, yes, there was a room
for punishment, but you know he was really clear, your
body language you don't even need to be a professor
to read it. And so he decided, I can get
you back here. I will leave it to an open
debate with as many I've never heard any speakers say,
with as many amendments as you want to make, and
(04:23):
you'll all be able to speak again on every amendment
you make. And all that did is so well the
government said, well, we've just got to close this down.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's also seldom that you've seen the public galleries closed
to anyone ye observe, And I think that is highly
regrettable that that move had to be taken. If it
had to be taken, because you know, Parliament belongs to us,
it doesn't just belong to MP's.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think it had to be taken, you would have
just lost control of that whole room with the nunt
of people out on the forecourt being.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I mean it is worth us pointing out right that
we may have all we've done is deferred this right.
All of these risks involved with this debate are only
being put off. It could well basically just happen in June,
couldn't it?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
For the reason the REPOI arranged in the meantime the
reason to put it off now.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But the reason to put it off is really clear
if you take how many people there are to speak,
and all the amendments that could be moved, and giving
everyone a chance to have their say. You run a
past budget time on Thursday totally, and that's the one
thing the government couldn't afford. So push it out beyond
budget and let it run for as long as you like.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yep. All right, guys, we'll take a break and then
we'll come back and talk about those food scraps. Morris, right, Morris,
tell me about the food scrapspin. Are you guys going
to get rid of it?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm hopeful we will. I've been opposed to it right
from the outset that had already been decided when I
got elected in twenty twenty two, but I've had a
bit of a campaign going on and now election year.
I want to know any counselors that are happy to
tell rate payers you should be paying seventy four dollars
for a service you don't want. I'm happy to let
those who do want to have a food scrapspin have
(05:54):
one and they should pay the true cost of it. Now,
what you get from other councilors so far saying is
all but any costs and incurred across society to be
spread across everybody. Well, last week I just had someone
come and do my pool inspection and it cost me
two hundred.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Bucks to help you with that.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think you should chip in, and so should clear
I shouldn't be It's nonsense. It's absolutely nonsense.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Can we come and swim in your pool?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well no, equally, do you want to go through it?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You can pay for it?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, in our area, I think it's about twenty eight
percent of all people putting rubbish out on a Thursday.
I've done many, many pictures along the street. It's less
than thirty percent. I'm told by officials it's up to
a third for the whole city. I actually don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Also listen, but it's just on the side.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What it is not only if you want it, you pay.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Not only is it a cost for everybody when when
only a third of us are doing it in Auckland.
But even the bigger crime is that it is economically
just ridiculous because you're paying fourteen hundred dollars per carbon
unit saved when you could just buy it from the
ets for fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Correct, It was just virtue signaling by those councils at
the time. Will look like we're doing something to save
the planet. About eighty percent of what they trucked to Reparoa,
so you imagine the carbon being pumped into there by
the trucks, about eighty percent of it is water. Were
they told us they squeeze the water out?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Listen? Bill is texting me furiously. He says, I was
a sleep at science school and that I don't understand
that the water is retained within the vegetables. And they're like,
that's why it's eighty percent water? Or is it actually?
Are we? Are we talking about the water that's produced
by the decomposing process.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, no, no, no, it's like anything. I mean, the
human body seventy five percent of work.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Can we squeeze it out?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, that's right. If you crush the stuff, all the
liquid would pour out and then you be able to
take the dried or the squash stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Don't they do that?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, it's well, they thought that it was actually they
were going to. We were originally told that. Then we
found out it was more expensive and energy wise to
do the crushing and the drying than it was to
just carry the truckloads of water down there. In the end,
this is a lunatic policy. I'm going to be really
interested to see any counselors who vote to retain it,
because they got to face their rate payers, and two
(08:06):
thirds of their ratepayers who are voting don't use the
service but pay for it. It's wrong and it should
be user paid too.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Right now, Claire, I am starting a campaign to get
rid of these stupid elemins, and I've got Morris on
board as you can tell, and the Auckland rate Payers
Alliance would you like to join?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
My brain is aching from what I now know about
food scraps that I didn't know before. You two have
got going on the top.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And you are shock, aren't you? You are shock?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Are shaken? I mean, if you can't use the food scraps,
just pop a bit of ice and it put your
shard Mayana and off you go. Heather, Honestly, I wish,
I mean, I do care about the cost that's been
imposed on people. I hadn't thought it through as well
as Morris hasn't got hot under the collar a food
scrap scrap because by passed me out from now. But
(08:51):
I'm going to go and.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Read up about it. Listen, I appreciate it from the
having food fights of the village square.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
All I want to say is clear, there's shortly something
you care about that we can spend that thirty six
million dollars on. You know that would be better?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh? Totally?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
There is like libraries.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh love a library. Get the least building fixed up.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, we just raved the money and reduce the clear
how about we just reduced the thirteen billion of debt
by that much? That would be good.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, all right, Marris, you go do that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, No, she's on board, she's behind you, she's on.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Just upsets me that every time there's a saving people,
so or what could we spend it on? Well, actually
we've got thirteen thousand million dollars of debt.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I don't know what you are your sensible dad, aren't you?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
All?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We wanted some treats and you say no, put the
money away. All right, it's good though we need boring.
I appreciate it. Morris Williams and Clear de Lure huddle
Speaker 2 (09:47):
This evening for more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen
live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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