August 19, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Mark Sainsbury and former Labour MP Stuart Nash joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Winston Peters confirmed Trevor Mallard is coming home from his post as Ambassador to Ireland. He says the appointment was a case of 'jobs for the boys'. Should former politicians ever become ambassadors?
What did we make of the scenes from the big White House meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy? Do we think we're getting closer to a deal being formed?
The Cambridge Dictionary added 6000 new words - do we know what 'skibidi', 'tradwife' and 'delulu' mean?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unique Homes,
Uniquely for you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm the huddles me this evening Mark Sainsbury broadcast the
Stuart Nash, Robert Walter's former Labor Party minister. Hell are
you too good?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
A well, I'm an AI version of myself of course,
a better version or a worse version. Well, sure, it
always has.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Been some more sober. Actually you're sober nowadays, aren't you saying?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Zo?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What's that You're completely sober nowadays?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Or when I'm on the raided? No, no, no, I
did cut back some. I dropped a bit. It was
on blood pressure meds and stuff and running men's health weeak.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It was a great look.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah so yeah, so that was the big thing. And
doctor said the biggest thing and I'm off those off
the meads. But they said the biggest change was just
cutting back on the grove.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I still like a drink, oh who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But instead you know, but it'd be a couple of
days a week maybe, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And this is why you've You've got the body of
a twenty year old now saying so on the street
looks great now Stu, how do you feel about your
boy Trevor coming back from Ireland.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, look, I agree with Winston on this one. You
got these politicians that are incredibly experienced and built a
career around diplomacy, how to how to deal with different governments, ministers, politicians,
et cetera, et cetera, and it must be slightly disempowering
when when some politician, like especially like Trevor, ends up
with a plump position like this. I mean, Winston's right
(01:26):
give the ambassadorial positions to the men and women who
are experts at their trade because it's so important for
a country like New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, totally, and so I mean I can't think of
an example, a better example of these jobs being treated
as a sinecure than Trevor Mallard because he had none
of the skills required to be a diplomat and he'd
embarrassed himself hugely before he went.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Over, Which is why the strangest thing about all of
this is why Winston didn't replace them straight away. I
think the presidents are just theory. Trevor's partner, Jane Clifton,
and amazing woman Winston really likes. Jane has always had
a really soft spot for you know, pop Away. Of course,
(02:08):
I think the actually only explanation I can think as
to why, because I was expecting, basically the day after
the election, that is going to be the best thing.
You know, we'll get the right I think.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I think for the sake of Jane Clifton Winston has
I think you might be onto something. I think he
has left Trevor there so as not to disrupt her life,
and he's been roped over the kind sight of him.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah. But the other thing also, you know these roomors
going around that Winter is going to stand down and
become the ambassador in the United States of America. Nothing
could be further from the truth. And that Winston themselves
is you know, why would I want to report to
someone like me? So you know you can spell those
roomens now.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, but hold on, ste Wasn't it the case that
he was going to stand down so that you could
take his job?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Well, that's it. No, No, the next lead Firsus Shane Jones,
I'm unequivalent about that. That is that guy he filled
a hall of four hundred people in Upper Hut Now
that that's core labor territory and they are going. You
know what we're after a man who speaks common sense,
pragmatic policies and as a politician that represents all of
the results. And it's flucking to New zeal first. Just fair?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Does that mean you're putting your hand up for the
mbase of his job? Well?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What is the job that you do at New Zealand first?
And are you the deputy leader? Are't you?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
No? No, no, I'm just a good hard work and
key with it. Houston politics that the politics of pragmatism
and then the part that resonates at the moment and
you get agree, Mark, it's kind of New Zealand first.
I mean, you know you've got James and going around
talking about you know, jobs over snails most most New
Zealanders are you right? Makes sense to me. And then
you've got you got.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well, oh you can't hear it? Stupid your phone's cutting out.
I think that's that's Winston calling you to say thank
you for all the comments you make and we'll take
a break and come back and we're going to shut
them up at New Zealand first. We're on a ban
after this.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty The ones
fun last results.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Back with the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Stewart Nash says, so,
so are you starting to feel after what you saw
in the White House overnight, like maybe there's a chance
for peace in Ukraine?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Look, you know, I'd sort of wean myself off off
Trumps because every day there's another issue, but this one,
and I watched all those stuff from it, and you
just hope that something is going to happen. Your problem
is you still got this major I mean, how are
they going to do a deal, as Donald says, for
the Ukraine to give up land. It's just not penible,
(04:31):
look at it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So they have to give up land, They just have to.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well it depends how much they give up. They give
up what they've taken Russia once more and the other
thing this comes back to, and this is pre seceily
European leaders get involved. This is a disgrace. Since when
did we countenance one country invading another? Well, I've seen
that's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, so I agree with you, But do we
live in an idealistic world or do we live in
reality where unfortunately he's taken it, and what else can
you do to end the situation?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What else can you do?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, you put what they should do is they should
put the sanctions back on Russia. That's the only thing
that prudent responds to you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know, yeah, what do you say?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Look the least the language. What was interesting in that
fact that meeting in Alaska, when you'd think he'd be
so desperate to announce a deal when he when he said, look,
I'm going to confer with the Ukrainian president, I'm going
to fer the European leaders. And I think even the
commentators in the States were stunned, were expecting Trump to
do some years, to be some stunt, And I thought, oh,
(05:31):
this sounds like a reasonable, considered person. So that's just
fingers crossed. I'm feeling a little bit more confident.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Look, it's it's a very very dangerous precedent when you
got the President of the United States of America saying
to bad did you let him keep some land, don't
join NATO, and everything will be okay. I mean goodness me,
the last time we had appeasement like this, what was it,
Nevil Chamberlain? Peace in our time? It doesn't work out. Well,
I'm with you here. The when did we count it
(06:00):
one country being okay for one country to invade another.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
No good, you're saying.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So I'm saying we have to do this, st you,
because there is no other way. Look, it seems to
me you've got two options here, right. You either give
Ukraine everything it needs to fight this wall properly, give
them the boots on the ground, give them all the weapons,
give them the fighter jets, get them everything just like
load them up to the gunnals and let them fight hard.
Or you settle and you give the guy the landing.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You you've got two crazy guys. You've got Putin, who
you know, it's not out of the realms of possibility.
He'll use some form of technical nuclear weapon if it
gets really, really duty like that. Yeah, you are right.
I mean, you know, do we go for compromise, but
compromise So whatever you do, it's it's a very bad person.
You compromise. Putin's one because he's got crimea Zelenski will
(06:50):
never join NATO and he's won. Or you give them
everything needed to go hard. I just think that that
the sight of Donald Trump praise Vladimir Putin was I
just didn't think it's crazicallyy.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Russia's got a smaller economy than Spain. You know, it's
not like the sort of massive sort of juggernall. I mean,
what they managed to get away with is just just
someone needs to call into account. It's all very well
for us sitting here in the safety of New Zealand
of course to say this, but yeah, I just think,
and I've always been frustrated here that the fact that
(07:29):
you know, if America was vacillating, then the Europeans needed
to have stepped up.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Ye you know, yep, now the Europeans frust frustrate me,
no end, okay, saying so actually, I'll start with you
on this. I'm going to give you a bit of
an easy go here, stude. Do you know what a
trad wife is?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Well, that's no, no, I don't think there's such a thing.
I mean I didn't until I looked it up. There's
no such thing. It's talks about a traditional wife who cooks,
cleans and does everything else that a traditional wife once
said two generations ago. Well do they exist?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Do you want me to come over there and country
right now?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
You know, it's a genuine question we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We do that, but then we do our day jobs
as well.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, look, I celebrate my wife. She goes out there,
she works full times, she looks after the kids. She
does a bloody brilliant job, and I think she'd be
brought out of her mind off. All she did was cook,
clean and put and post on social media, which apparently
is what tradwives do.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I no, yeah, they do exist. I saw a couple
of them on Ponsonby Road today. Okay, so.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A tred tread wafers. But it's the subservient thing. You
watch some of these YouTube thats they do and it's
sort of you know, oh my god, you know, I think, is.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
This how Barry lives?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
He's just living the dream, you know, totally looks the
treade wise thing. It's it's very very us and it
seems very very religious as well.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't think it is. No, what it is is
just absolute unbelievable laziness. You just you just marry yourself
a really rich guy and then stay at home pretending
you're baking the sourdaugh but actually you just buy it
and do you know, saying so what skibbity is now?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I did not until I looked at that.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Go on there, what's that?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It's become a sort of a term of what It
can be a variety of things, but it's almost like
a joke. It's something silly.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes, okay, that's not a really good definition. Thank you
very much, guys. I appreciate your attempts at it anyway.
Mark Sainsbury broadcast the Stewart Nash Robert Walters also a
former Labor Party minister. A trad wipe these by the way,
if you're like, well they're talking about these are the
words that have been added to the Cambridge Dictionary this year.
A tradwife is obviously somebody who's playing a traditional wife's role.
You know, you do all the home stuff and just
(09:34):
lounge about a house lounged about because once you've done
all the chores, there's nothing else to do. Obviously. Skibbitity
is defined as a word that can have different meanings,
such as cool or bad, like oh, look, those genes
are real skibbity, or you can just use it in
a random way like what the skibbity are you doing?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I know it's kid's trying to be cool. De Lulu
that's my favorite of the words that have been added,
which is basically a play on the world word delusional.
So if you think that tradwives are doing nothing during
the day, you'll do Lulu for more.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
From Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to news Talks
at B from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unique Homes,
Uniquely for you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm the huddles me this evening Mark Sainsbury broadcast the
Stuart Nash, Robert Walter's former Labor Party minister. Hell are
you too good?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
A well, I'm an AI version of myself of course,
a better version or a worse version. Well, sure, it
always has.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Been some more sober. Actually you're sober nowadays, aren't you saying?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Zo?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What's that You're completely sober nowadays?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Or when I'm on the raided? No, no, no, I
did cut back some. I dropped a bit. It was
on blood pressure meds and stuff and running men's health weeak.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It was a great look.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah so yeah, so that was the big thing. And
doctor said the biggest thing and I'm off those off
the meads. But they said the biggest change was just
cutting back on the grove.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I still like a drink, oh who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But instead you know, but it'd be a couple of
days a week maybe, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And this is why you've You've got the body of
a twenty year old now saying so on the street
looks great now Stu, how do you feel about your
boy Trevor coming back from Ireland.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, look, I agree with Winston on this one. You
got these politicians that are incredibly experienced and built a
career around diplomacy, how to how to deal with different governments, ministers, politicians,
et cetera, et cetera, and it must be slightly disempowering
when when some politician, like especially like Trevor, ends up
with a plump position like this. I mean, Winston's right
(01:26):
give the ambassadorial positions to the men and women who
are experts at their trade because it's so important for
a country like New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, totally, and so I mean I can't think of
an example, a better example of these jobs being treated
as a sinecure than Trevor Mallard because he had none
of the skills required to be a diplomat and he'd
embarrassed himself hugely before he went.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Over, Which is why the strangest thing about all of
this is why Winston didn't replace them straight away. I
think the presidents are just theory. Trevor's partner, Jane Clifton,
and amazing woman Winston really likes. Jane has always had
a really soft spot for you know, pop Away. Of course,
(02:08):
I think the actually only explanation I can think as
to why, because I was expecting, basically the day after
the election, that is going to be the best thing.
You know, we'll get the right I think.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I think for the sake of Jane Clifton Winston has
I think you might be onto something. I think he
has left Trevor there so as not to disrupt her life,
and he's been roped over the kind sight of him.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah. But the other thing also, you know these roomors
going around that Winter is going to stand down and
become the ambassador in the United States of America. Nothing
could be further from the truth. And that Winston themselves
is you know, why would I want to report to
someone like me? So you know you can spell those
roomens now.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, but hold on, ste Wasn't it the case that
he was going to stand down so that you could
take his job?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Well, that's it. No, No, the next lead Firsus Shane Jones,
I'm unequivalent about that. That is that guy he filled
a hall of four hundred people in Upper Hut Now
that that's core labor territory and they are going. You
know what we're after a man who speaks common sense,
pragmatic policies and as a politician that represents all of
the results. And it's flucking to New zeal first. Just fair?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Does that mean you're putting your hand up for the
mbase of his job? Well?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What is the job that you do at New Zealand first?
And are you the deputy leader? Are't you?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
No? No, no, I'm just a good hard work and
key with it. Houston politics that the politics of pragmatism
and then the part that resonates at the moment and
you get agree, Mark, it's kind of New Zealand first.
I mean, you know you've got James and going around
talking about you know, jobs over snails most most New
Zealanders are you right? Makes sense to me. And then
you've got you got.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well, oh you can't hear it? Stupid your phone's cutting out.
I think that's that's Winston calling you to say thank
you for all the comments you make and we'll take
a break and come back and we're going to shut
them up at New Zealand first. We're on a ban
after this.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty The ones
fun last results.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Back with the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Stewart Nash says, so,
so are you starting to feel after what you saw
in the White House overnight, like maybe there's a chance
for peace in Ukraine?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Look, you know, I'd sort of wean myself off off
Trumps because every day there's another issue, but this one,
and I watched all those stuff from it, and you
just hope that something is going to happen. Your problem
is you still got this major I mean, how are
they going to do a deal, as Donald says, for
the Ukraine to give up land. It's just not penible,
(04:31):
look at it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So they have to give up land, They just have to.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well it depends how much they give up. They give
up what they've taken Russia once more and the other
thing this comes back to, and this is pre seceily
European leaders get involved. This is a disgrace. Since when
did we countenance one country invading another? Well, I've seen
that's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, so I agree with you, But do we
live in an idealistic world or do we live in
reality where unfortunately he's taken it, and what else can
you do to end the situation?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What else can you do?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, you put what they should do is they should
put the sanctions back on Russia. That's the only thing
that prudent responds to you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know, yeah, what do you say?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Look the least the language. What was interesting in that
fact that meeting in Alaska, when you'd think he'd be
so desperate to announce a deal when he when he said, look,
I'm going to confer with the Ukrainian president, I'm going
to fer the European leaders. And I think even the
commentators in the States were stunned, were expecting Trump to
do some years, to be some stunt, And I thought, oh,
(05:31):
this sounds like a reasonable, considered person. So that's just
fingers crossed. I'm feeling a little bit more confident.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Look, it's it's a very very dangerous precedent when you
got the President of the United States of America saying
to bad did you let him keep some land, don't
join NATO, and everything will be okay. I mean goodness me,
the last time we had appeasement like this, what was it,
Nevil Chamberlain? Peace in our time? It doesn't work out. Well,
I'm with you here. The when did we count it
(06:00):
one country being okay for one country to invade another.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
No good, you're saying.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So I'm saying we have to do this, st you,
because there is no other way. Look, it seems to
me you've got two options here, right. You either give
Ukraine everything it needs to fight this wall properly, give
them the boots on the ground, give them all the weapons,
give them the fighter jets, get them everything just like
load them up to the gunnals and let them fight hard.
Or you settle and you give the guy the landing.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You you've got two crazy guys. You've got Putin, who
you know, it's not out of the realms of possibility.
He'll use some form of technical nuclear weapon if it
gets really, really duty like that. Yeah, you are right.
I mean, you know, do we go for compromise, but
compromise So whatever you do, it's it's a very bad person.
You compromise. Putin's one because he's got crimea Zelenski will
(06:50):
never join NATO and he's won. Or you give them
everything needed to go hard. I just think that that
the sight of Donald Trump praise Vladimir Putin was I
just didn't think it's crazicallyy.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Russia's got a smaller economy than Spain. You know, it's
not like the sort of massive sort of juggernall. I mean,
what they managed to get away with is just just
someone needs to call into account. It's all very well
for us sitting here in the safety of New Zealand
of course to say this, but yeah, I just think,
and I've always been frustrated here that the fact that
(07:29):
you know, if America was vacillating, then the Europeans needed
to have stepped up.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Ye you know, yep, now the Europeans frust frustrate me,
no end, okay, saying so actually, I'll start with you
on this. I'm going to give you a bit of
an easy go here, stude. Do you know what a
trad wife is?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Well, that's no, no, I don't think there's such a thing.
I mean I didn't until I looked it up. There's
no such thing. It's talks about a traditional wife who cooks,
cleans and does everything else that a traditional wife once
said two generations ago. Well do they exist?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Do you want me to come over there and country
right now?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
You know, it's a genuine question we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We do that, but then we do our day jobs
as well.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, look, I celebrate my wife. She goes out there,
she works full times, she looks after the kids. She
does a bloody brilliant job, and I think she'd be
brought out of her mind off. All she did was cook,
clean and put and post on social media, which apparently
is what tradwives do.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I no, yeah, they do exist. I saw a couple
of them on Ponsonby Road today. Okay, so.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A tred tread wafers. But it's the subservient thing. You
watch some of these YouTube thats they do and it's
sort of you know, oh my god, you know, I think, is.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
This how Barry lives?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
He's just living the dream, you know, totally looks the
treade wise thing. It's it's very very us and it
seems very very religious as well.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't think it is. No, what it is is
just absolute unbelievable laziness. You just you just marry yourself
a really rich guy and then stay at home pretending
you're baking the sourdaugh but actually you just buy it
and do you know, saying so what skibbity is now?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I did not until I looked at that.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Go on there, what's that?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It's become a sort of a term of what It
can be a variety of things, but it's almost like
a joke. It's something silly.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes, okay, that's not a really good definition. Thank you
very much, guys. I appreciate your attempts at it anyway.
Mark Sainsbury broadcast the Stewart Nash Robert Walters also a
former Labor Party minister. A trad wipe these by the way,
if you're like, well they're talking about these are the
words that have been added to the Cambridge Dictionary this year.
A tradwife is obviously somebody who's playing a traditional wife's role.
You know, you do all the home stuff and just
(09:34):
lounge about a house lounged about because once you've done
all the chores, there's nothing else to do. Obviously. Skibbitity
is defined as a word that can have different meanings,
such as cool or bad, like oh, look, those genes
are real skibbity, or you can just use it in
a random way like what the skibbity are you doing?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I know it's kid's trying to be cool. De Lulu
that's my favorite of the words that have been added,
which is basically a play on the world word delusional.
So if you think that tradwives are doing nothing during
the day, you'll do Lulu for more.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
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at B from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
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