September 2, 2025 • 11 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Clare de Lore and former Labour Minister Stuart Nash joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
ACT leader David Seymour says the Paris Agreement needs to be reformed - or else New Zealand should walk away. Is he right? Will National get on board for it?
Helen Clark and John Key are set to attend China's big military parade alongside Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un. What do we make of this? Will Luxon and Winston be glad they don't have to go?
The Polish CEO who made headlines after he snatched a child's hat at the US Open has since apologised - do we believe this?
NZI says we have three times as many ministerial portfolios as we need - do we need to make some cuts?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your
one of a kind on.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The huddle with me at the moment we have Stuart Nash,
former Labor Party minister, and clear de Lord journalists. What
were you saying to you?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I mean, for goodness sake, Goldie, grow some balls those
gang pictures, burn them, bury them, blow them up. You
just say that acid. Why wouldn't you just say that
every key were apart from gang members.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
On the Labor Party and the Labor Party well.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hey, the vast majority keeper see in the Cord of Poles.
I want to see those pictures done away with. So
I would say, Goldie, just put them in bats of
acid and get rid of them.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
A good campaignings to well, I know, but which party
would it be? New Zealand?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Are you giving me an opportunity once again?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Now, because you're totally biased, and because I know you're
just going to give us the New Zealand first line, potentially,
I'm going to go to you first, Claire. Do you
think you reform the Paris Agreement like David Seemoll says,
or pull out If I'm a.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Bit of an old softy for what well, you know,
I know that it's it's tough in many ways, and
it's possibly unattainable. I'd rather be failed inside it than
walked away from it. And the reason is I think
Peter Gluckman alluded to it because I think so many
of our multilateral organizations are failing, and our agreements of
(01:13):
falling over international cooperation is less than it was. I
think we need more of it and we need to stay.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But would you be okay with reforming it?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
At least? I think, look, why not look at reforming it? Yeah? Yeah,
but I would rather be stayed inside it. I think
walking away from it is yet another chink in the
even unified front of the WED.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Because because look, I mean, I think most of us
would agree, we've got to try for the climate. But
even at the expense of Kiwis who now cannot heat
their houses when Huntley is fired up.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well, it's time and raised incomes. Eh, that would be good, Okay,
I suppose we come in.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We could also you know, I don't know, plants, some money,
trees or something like that that might help. You know,
we could No, Actually, that's another conversation for another day.
What do you think to you look, I apologize.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Look, this is about brand New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We have a brand on the global stage which is clean, green,
hunts and pure. It started out as a tourism brand.
It's sort of morphed into our natural brand, national brand.
If we walk away from this, I think it has
the risk of devaluing our global brand in everything that
New Zealanders or not, everything that everyone oversees thinks that
New Zealanders. I mean I look behind you, Heather and
(02:20):
you for your listeners. There's a Bohoda charactory, a beautiful
beach and a fantastic scene. That is what oversees people
perceive that New Zealanders. We pull out of this, it's
just one other thing that slowly erodes that brand on
the global stage.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And who's buying this brand.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The people who are coming over, the tourists, the golden
visa applicants you know at the moment, and.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What's pulling us out of the recession?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well farm farmers.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And where are the farmers selling their stuff?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, but the US and China. So actually, while we
love this brand, I just want us to test this. Right,
while we love this brand, and we should love this brand,
and we should protect it. Actually, our money is coming
from the two biggest pollution.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
But also remember that people pay a premium for New
Zealand products because the perception of what of where this
stuff comes from. You know, we're talking about cows frolicking
under the beautiful Mount Taranaki and all this sort of carent.
You devalue that brand and you will not get a premium.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What about if if there is sufficient momentum pulling out
of the accord. Right, you've got the US out already,
what if more countries start piling into it and we're
a fast follower.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, well, look, Clea's talked about amending it. Let's look
at amending it before we pull out of it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
What you are to mend it? Obviously I wish I
had the power, but clear, but.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What if we have got sufficient momentum and people are
piling countries are piling out of.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It that they are not at the moment? The United
States notably has bailed out twice and some haven't, a
very few haven't signed up. I think it's really important
to try and stick together on some fronts, even if
we fail. Somehow, I would rather that it stayed. STU
makes some very good points about New Zealand's international image.
(03:55):
I think also part of the international image is that
we're pretty good in multi letter organizations, were actually kind
of reliable for New Zealand to walk away. I actually
do think that would be really noted, So I hope
we don't.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Claire, do you think it's weird that Clark and Key
are at the China Summit?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't think it's weird, but it is a weird
summit anyway. It's what not a summit, it's an eightieth
commemoration of the end of the war. Yeah, I was
at the seventieth. My husband Don McKinnon was invited to
represent New Zealand there. John Key and Helen Clark have
been invited in individual roles and so that's unusual. But
Tony Blair was there ten years ago as a personally
(04:35):
invited guest, and that the interactions going on behind the
scenes as well as you know on the big viewing
platform by t Animal Square, were really fascinating. Like the
weirdest person you got to meet, Well, I wouldn't necessarily
say weird, but most you know, currently infamous person was
Vladimir Putin charming in real life or just not really no,
(04:57):
just quite cold. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, well you would expect that after you've killed so
many people as an agent, right, probably.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, but the dynamics are really interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I was just wondering if I put a target on
my life, saying I don't think so, because I don't
think they're listening at the moment.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
There's a long list ahead of you, probably and they're
all narrow window somewhere I must go.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
But I don't pull the blinds down, please.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
But it is a very interesting dynamic because ten years
ago there were a lot of countries and they're still
are today who would not send any senior people like
their president's prime ministers whatever, for fear of being knocked off. No,
because they didn't want to be seen to be endorsing,
you know, that regime, or to end up accidentally standing
next to Putin or whatever. I mean, how much has
(05:41):
changed in the last ten years. You've had the President
of the United States welcoming on a red car pt
Vladimir Putin to American soil, the things that Trump has done.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Maybe the weird thing isn't actually that they're there, Stue,
but the fact that none of our government ministers have
been invited and they.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Have well, yes, but the fact that you've got two
very high profile former prim and we need to keep
China on side, There's no doubt about that. We saw
what happened with Australia two or three years ago when
a minor Australian official dissed the Chinese government. They said, ok,
end of wine and lobsters from Australia to China. I
think this is a really good compromise. I mean, as
clean mentioned, we sent to Don mckinnanover a very high
(06:18):
profile and distinguished politician John Key and Helen Clark being there.
It's a very good look for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I think the Chinese know they know all of this,
you know, the little dance that's going on, that they
have seen her enough people to preserve their manner and
for us to know that our relationship is going to
continue on a really good path. Everyone. That's the game
they're playing.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The huddle with New Zealand. Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Stuart Nash and clear
to law stew what do you believe the story from
the Polish CEO about snatching the hat from the kid.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I've seen that. I think it's pretty pretty bad. The
thing is, he says, I spur of the moment, I
thought my kid's one of these autographs. But that just
shows you're going to be careful in everything you do, right,
because it's either a camera or someone with a phone
with a decent camera on it that's taking advantage of.
This is the second time I've seeing this. We had
the cold play, you know, kiss a shame whatever they're
calling it, And now you've got a camera picking up
(07:15):
a guy, a grown man snatching a hat off a
little kid.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I mean what I know, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I mean that is the lesson. Isn't it clear that
it doesn't matter what you how low profile you are,
you can become very high profile.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I think the lesson is just to be a grown
up and to behave properly, whether the camera's on you
or not. Just actually think what would.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
My mother say if your mom could see it?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
If your mother could see you.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Now do you believe him when he says that he
didn't realize the boy wanted the cap and it was
meant for him.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
No, I don't, because you can quite clearly see the
little boy.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Go oh, in which case the world's not. But whoever
the pr person is, fire them. The world's not going
to believe the story, so hasn't he probably just made
the situation a whole lot worse by lying.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I don't know, but I just think, well, I can't decide.
We'll have to see, because you know, the kiss couple
went home for a couple of weeks and that heavy
toll on both of them. I think what I kind
of do Sayma's favor is he has said sorry, whether
or not he's explained it poorly or falsely. I think
the pylon gets to be sort of disproportionate in the end. Yep,
(08:17):
that's fair. And I just think, you know, why is
it that we so enjoy someone being caught that we
wanted to Yeah, there will be I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Know about that clear I mean, I think everyone who
watched it, you know, they are ansed over it. But
they saw this growing guy snatch a cap off a
cad perfect souvenir, and they just went, what did they kid?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
He's got to go and see his mother. Probably got
a good slid out.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
How do you feel stew about merging the public service
to the extent that the New Zealand Initiative recommends.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, that makes some really good points. Actually, there are
a whole lot of ministries that are being created in
an MNP environment to bring people in. Like, for example,
there was never a Minister of Revenue before Michael Cullen.
Need to give something to Peter Dune. And now there's
a Minister of revenue. And you know when I was
a Minister of Economic Development, I had space and I
had advanced manufacturing. Now there's a Minister for Space, there's
a Minister of Advance Manufacturing. There's a Minister for South und.
(09:07):
I mean, God help us is going to end.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I think trevort to Clean was a Minister for revenue.
Ah many years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh my gosh, it's going back, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, because I remember maybe it went dormant and then
was revived.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
We happened because I was a Minister of revenue as well.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
But well there we go. But just there everywhere, just
align them.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But what is happening in EMMP is you are getting
more and more Ministers of abc D right through his head.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah yeah, well I guess if you're going to have
a three headed coalition, everyone's going to want a little
slice of the action. So it's interesting. You know, maybe
David Seymour could lead by example and say, okay, you know,
let's just be the first cab off the rank and
I'll give up too, and let's see if the others
will match it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, but he's got that Monty Pysion Pythonish Minister of
Regulation to get rid of regulation. And if I have
you heard anything more absurd than a ministry of regulation
to get rid of regulation? Doesn't what it makes sense?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It is I I know I can see that the
that is, I can see the humor in that particular thing,
right yeah, and I feel like you you you laugh
at that quite a lot, and right as you fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well, next time there will be a two headed government
and probably in New Zealand Fester National, So you know
you might have to worry about this.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Will it be in New Zealand firster and National or
will it be New Zealand first and Labor without Chippy?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
To possible scenarios and if you roll Chippy.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
To make this happen, who do you replace Chippy with?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Barbara Edmonds? Oh, come off, it's to you very sensible woman.
She's my ministerial advisor. She knows how to get things done. Okay,
maybe she's not as polished as maybe Jesinder is, but
she's a hell a lot better body. Well, she's a
better She's better in the media than Chris Lackson.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Was she better than Karen though Kiaren's doing a Gesinda
where he's pretending he doesn't want to but he actually does.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I don't know. Karen's got quite a laconic way about him.
I don't know if it's we've.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Gone down a rabbit hole, but there is a little
rabbit hole going on here. I don't want to be
in that little hole. Okay, I'm staying out of it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Okay, you stay in your own hole.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Can I just say no leaps out of the rabbit
hole as being particularly attractive. This is the problem, guys.
It's wonderful to talk to the pair of you. Thank
you so much, ste Nash and clear Delay.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
The huddle with me at the moment we have Stuart Nash,
former Labor Party minister, and clear de Lord journalists. What
were you saying to you?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I mean, for goodness sake, Goldie, grow some balls those
gang pictures, burn them, bury them, blow them up. You
just say that acid. Why wouldn't you just say that
every key were apart from gang members.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
On the Labor Party and the Labor Party well.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hey, the vast majority keeper see in the Cord of Poles.
I want to see those pictures done away with. So
I would say, Goldie, just put them in bats of
acid and get rid of them.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
A good campaignings to well, I know, but which party
would it be? New Zealand?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Are you giving me an opportunity once again?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Now, because you're totally biased, and because I know you're
just going to give us the New Zealand first line, potentially,
I'm going to go to you first, Claire. Do you
think you reform the Paris Agreement like David Seemoll says,
or pull out If I'm a.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Bit of an old softy for what well, you know,
I know that it's it's tough in many ways, and
it's possibly unattainable. I'd rather be failed inside it than
walked away from it. And the reason is I think
Peter Gluckman alluded to it because I think so many
of our multilateral organizations are failing, and our agreements of
(01:13):
falling over international cooperation is less than it was. I
think we need more of it and we need to stay.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But would you be okay with reforming it?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
At least? I think, look, why not look at reforming it? Yeah? Yeah,
but I would rather be stayed inside it. I think
walking away from it is yet another chink in the
even unified front of the WED.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Because because look, I mean, I think most of us
would agree, we've got to try for the climate. But
even at the expense of Kiwis who now cannot heat
their houses when Huntley is fired up.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well, it's time and raised incomes. Eh, that would be good, Okay,
I suppose we come in.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We could also you know, I don't know, plants, some money,
trees or something like that that might help. You know,
we could No, Actually, that's another conversation for another day.
What do you think to you look, I apologize.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Look, this is about brand New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We have a brand on the global stage which is clean, green,
hunts and pure. It started out as a tourism brand.
It's sort of morphed into our natural brand, national brand.
If we walk away from this, I think it has
the risk of devaluing our global brand in everything that
New Zealanders or not, everything that everyone oversees thinks that
New Zealanders. I mean I look behind you, Heather and
(02:20):
you for your listeners. There's a Bohoda charactory, a beautiful
beach and a fantastic scene. That is what oversees people
perceive that New Zealanders. We pull out of this, it's
just one other thing that slowly erodes that brand on
the global stage.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And who's buying this brand.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The people who are coming over, the tourists, the golden
visa applicants you know at the moment, and.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What's pulling us out of the recession?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well farm farmers.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And where are the farmers selling their stuff?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, but the US and China. So actually, while we
love this brand, I just want us to test this. Right,
while we love this brand, and we should love this brand,
and we should protect it. Actually, our money is coming
from the two biggest pollution.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
But also remember that people pay a premium for New
Zealand products because the perception of what of where this
stuff comes from. You know, we're talking about cows frolicking
under the beautiful Mount Taranaki and all this sort of carent.
You devalue that brand and you will not get a premium.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What about if if there is sufficient momentum pulling out
of the accord. Right, you've got the US out already,
what if more countries start piling into it and we're
a fast follower.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, well, look, Clea's talked about amending it. Let's look
at amending it before we pull out of it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
What you are to mend it? Obviously I wish I
had the power, but clear, but.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What if we have got sufficient momentum and people are
piling countries are piling out of.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It that they are not at the moment? The United
States notably has bailed out twice and some haven't, a
very few haven't signed up. I think it's really important
to try and stick together on some fronts, even if
we fail. Somehow, I would rather that it stayed. STU
makes some very good points about New Zealand's international image.
(03:55):
I think also part of the international image is that
we're pretty good in multi letter organizations, were actually kind
of reliable for New Zealand to walk away. I actually
do think that would be really noted, So I hope
we don't.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Claire, do you think it's weird that Clark and Key
are at the China Summit?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't think it's weird, but it is a weird
summit anyway. It's what not a summit, it's an eightieth
commemoration of the end of the war. Yeah, I was
at the seventieth. My husband Don McKinnon was invited to
represent New Zealand there. John Key and Helen Clark have
been invited in individual roles and so that's unusual. But
Tony Blair was there ten years ago as a personally
(04:35):
invited guest, and that the interactions going on behind the
scenes as well as you know on the big viewing
platform by t Animal Square, were really fascinating. Like the
weirdest person you got to meet, Well, I wouldn't necessarily
say weird, but most you know, currently infamous person was
Vladimir Putin charming in real life or just not really no,
(04:57):
just quite cold. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, well you would expect that after you've killed so
many people as an agent, right, probably.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, but the dynamics are really interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I was just wondering if I put a target on
my life, saying I don't think so, because I don't
think they're listening at the moment.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
There's a long list ahead of you, probably and they're
all narrow window somewhere I must go.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
But I don't pull the blinds down, please.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
But it is a very interesting dynamic because ten years
ago there were a lot of countries and they're still
are today who would not send any senior people like
their president's prime ministers whatever, for fear of being knocked off. No,
because they didn't want to be seen to be endorsing,
you know, that regime, or to end up accidentally standing
next to Putin or whatever. I mean, how much has
(05:41):
changed in the last ten years. You've had the President
of the United States welcoming on a red car pt
Vladimir Putin to American soil, the things that Trump has done.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Maybe the weird thing isn't actually that they're there, Stue,
but the fact that none of our government ministers have
been invited and they.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Have well, yes, but the fact that you've got two
very high profile former prim and we need to keep
China on side, There's no doubt about that. We saw
what happened with Australia two or three years ago when
a minor Australian official dissed the Chinese government. They said, ok,
end of wine and lobsters from Australia to China. I
think this is a really good compromise. I mean, as
clean mentioned, we sent to Don mckinnanover a very high
(06:18):
profile and distinguished politician John Key and Helen Clark being there.
It's a very good look for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I think the Chinese know they know all of this,
you know, the little dance that's going on, that they
have seen her enough people to preserve their manner and
for us to know that our relationship is going to
continue on a really good path. Everyone. That's the game
they're playing.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The huddle with New Zealand. Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Stuart Nash and clear
to law stew what do you believe the story from
the Polish CEO about snatching the hat from the kid.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I've seen that. I think it's pretty pretty bad. The
thing is, he says, I spur of the moment, I
thought my kid's one of these autographs. But that just
shows you're going to be careful in everything you do, right,
because it's either a camera or someone with a phone
with a decent camera on it that's taking advantage of.
This is the second time I've seeing this. We had
the cold play, you know, kiss a shame whatever they're
calling it, And now you've got a camera picking up
(07:15):
a guy, a grown man snatching a hat off a
little kid.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I mean what I know, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I mean that is the lesson. Isn't it clear that
it doesn't matter what you how low profile you are,
you can become very high profile.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I think the lesson is just to be a grown
up and to behave properly, whether the camera's on you
or not. Just actually think what would.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
My mother say if your mom could see it?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
If your mother could see you.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Now do you believe him when he says that he
didn't realize the boy wanted the cap and it was
meant for him.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
No, I don't, because you can quite clearly see the
little boy.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Go oh, in which case the world's not. But whoever
the pr person is, fire them. The world's not going
to believe the story, so hasn't he probably just made
the situation a whole lot worse by lying.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I don't know, but I just think, well, I can't decide.
We'll have to see, because you know, the kiss couple
went home for a couple of weeks and that heavy
toll on both of them. I think what I kind
of do Sayma's favor is he has said sorry, whether
or not he's explained it poorly or falsely. I think
the pylon gets to be sort of disproportionate in the end. Yep,
(08:17):
that's fair. And I just think, you know, why is
it that we so enjoy someone being caught that we
wanted to Yeah, there will be I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Know about that clear I mean, I think everyone who
watched it, you know, they are ansed over it. But
they saw this growing guy snatch a cap off a
cad perfect souvenir, and they just went, what did they kid?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
He's got to go and see his mother. Probably got
a good slid out.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
How do you feel stew about merging the public service
to the extent that the New Zealand Initiative recommends.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, that makes some really good points. Actually, there are
a whole lot of ministries that are being created in
an MNP environment to bring people in. Like, for example,
there was never a Minister of Revenue before Michael Cullen.
Need to give something to Peter Dune. And now there's
a Minister of revenue. And you know when I was
a Minister of Economic Development, I had space and I
had advanced manufacturing. Now there's a Minister for Space, there's
a Minister of Advance Manufacturing. There's a Minister for South und.
(09:07):
I mean, God help us is going to end.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I think trevort to Clean was a Minister for revenue.
Ah many years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh my gosh, it's going back, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, because I remember maybe it went dormant and then
was revived.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
We happened because I was a Minister of revenue as well.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
But well there we go. But just there everywhere, just
align them.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But what is happening in EMMP is you are getting
more and more Ministers of abc D right through his head.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah yeah, well I guess if you're going to have
a three headed coalition, everyone's going to want a little
slice of the action. So it's interesting. You know, maybe
David Seymour could lead by example and say, okay, you know,
let's just be the first cab off the rank and
I'll give up too, and let's see if the others
will match it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, but he's got that Monty Pysion Pythonish Minister of
Regulation to get rid of regulation. And if I have
you heard anything more absurd than a ministry of regulation
to get rid of regulation? Doesn't what it makes sense?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It is I I know I can see that the
that is, I can see the humor in that particular thing,
right yeah, and I feel like you you you laugh
at that quite a lot, and right as you fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well, next time there will be a two headed government
and probably in New Zealand Fester National, So you know
you might have to worry about this.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Will it be in New Zealand firster and National or
will it be New Zealand first and Labor without Chippy?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
To possible scenarios and if you roll Chippy.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
To make this happen, who do you replace Chippy with?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Barbara Edmonds? Oh, come off, it's to you very sensible woman.
She's my ministerial advisor. She knows how to get things done. Okay,
maybe she's not as polished as maybe Jesinder is, but
she's a hell a lot better body. Well, she's a
better She's better in the media than Chris Lackson.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Was she better than Karen though Kiaren's doing a Gesinda
where he's pretending he doesn't want to but he actually does.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I don't know. Karen's got quite a laconic way about him.
I don't know if it's we've.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Gone down a rabbit hole, but there is a little
rabbit hole going on here. I don't want to be
in that little hole. Okay, I'm staying out of it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Okay, you stay in your own hole.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Can I just say no leaps out of the rabbit
hole as being particularly attractive. This is the problem, guys.
It's wonderful to talk to the pair of you. Thank
you so much, ste Nash and clear Delay.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
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