January 24, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Deputy Sports News Director Elliott Smith and Sports Journalist Lavina Good discussed the historic rugby game to be played in the small town Kirwee at the end of the month.
What does bringing rugby to small towns do for the regions?
Why didn't All Blacks Head Coach get Richie Mo'unga back?
Should New Zealand Rugby change its rules if they want the All Blacks to be successful in 2025?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
local and global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Back you over writed, no back kicking in.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I feel like broadcasters should be helping us grow our
sport and help these athletes who just won matches on
the biggest stage enjoy one of their biggest moments.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The last thing you want is supply is thinking, actually,
well I'm going to leave school at fifteen and to
go in to Australia play NRL or whatever it is.
I think it's just we've got to be really thoughtful
about eligible team.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
All right, just get into a sports huddle out of Friday.
We've got Eliot Smith, our deputy sports news director, and
Lavina Goods, sports journalist.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Hello people, afternoon.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yep, good an, nice to chat with you.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hello, Hello, How good was that Curry story?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Eliot?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh, fantastic. Look, I I know my sister her husband
had got tickets. They got the months ago. They live
in West Melton, which is about ten minutes drive away
from Kerwei. So there's some of the two thousand extras
that are coming into Kerwei for the afternoon, and no
doubt they'll have an afternoon out. I know special to
see rugby go to these regions, whether it's pre season
(01:20):
or season itself. I don't think we do that enough
in New Zealand. It's the heart but you know, the
heartbeat of the game here and so the more we
can do to connect with those regions I think the better.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well, the Crusaders are getting them a cat. Couldn't they
give them the whole gate?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Quite possibly? You know, three thousand people times. Whatever they
get paid to get in ten bucks or twenty bucks
or whatever it might be, is probably not going to
be too much skin off the nose of the Crusaders.
Mind you, they're not getting Richie and Wanga back, so
maybe they need to get the money in when they can.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Okay, Elliott's just brought up the elephant of the room,
Levenna Richie mul Langa. Why do you think Razor didn't
get Richie back? I mean, or who was it? Was
it Richie didn't want to come back or we couldn't
get him back? What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I think the big question actually is did the All
Blacks need more anger? And that's a big fact, yes,
without doubt. I mean, body Barrett's getting a bit old
and McKenzie's really not making the cart at the moment
and at this stage the way it stands, even though
Razor was saying we'll get him back, it doesn't look
like he'll be available till mid next year, which will
be far too late I think for the All Blacks.
It's just a bit ironic. Maybe in July next year.
(02:28):
This year, sorry, he'll be playing for an invitational fifteen
against the Lions as a warm up where the All
Blacks will play against France. I guess you know. The
other thing is do I want Richie more On going
to play for the All Blacks?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I feel sorry for him earning six million dollars playing
for Japan for three years.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
No.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Should New Zealand Rugby change its rules if they want
the All Blacks to be successful in twenty twenty five, probably, yes,
we need more anger. You should be here.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Well yeah, okay, but that again you could have another
question is can we open up selection overseas?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
In a way, I think that might be the way
forward if it means that we're losing players that we
need to actually be successful at the moment without a
significant first five, the All Blacks will absolutely struggle. It's
thirty three year old Boden Barrett at the moment that
is the incumbent first five and that's not going to
make it internationally, I don't think for the All Blacks.
So whether or not you know you can open up
the dollar books and the money books, or whether or
(03:23):
not you can welcome some players from overseas if you
want to make a difference, If the All Blacks want
to be successful and back to being the very best
in the world, changes need to be made.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Elliot's watched every single All Blacks game this season, So
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Look, I think the time is coming where they're going
to have to seriously look at these rules. I know
they want to protect super rugby as much as possible,
and that's understandable, but to my mind it's almost more
of a detriment now that you're having this will Richie Muonger,
Willy Willy Woni come back sort of scenarios now the
Crusaders or which I have a team he signs for,
(03:58):
don't know who's going to be there, or as if
he goes to Japan, is earning all that sort of money.
At least you know he's out of there. He's not
going to be playing Super rugby. Yes, it's a loss
for the competition, but you don't have to think of
as long here this year as the on sabbatical is
as already here as the on sabbatical, So it would
clear that up to an extent. And it also takes
a lot of the financial pressure off New Zealand rugby
in a way because he's earning a lot of money abroad.
(04:20):
They would have to play all blacks, fees and various
things like that, but they would contribute I think, a
lot less than they would having him back in New Zealand.
So I think the trainer is coming to the station
pretty soon for New Zealand Rugby to make a call
in some way, whether it's captain, maybe it's a couple
of players. You can still it from abroad, but I
think it ultimately it's looking like a battle. They're probably
going to lose.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Elliott and Levina as Levina is on the sports huddle
and we're going to continue in a few minutes time,
and we're going to talk tennis, and we're going to
talk crickets, and we're going to talk sailing.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
elevate the marketing of your home with.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
A very good and Elliot Smith. This is the sports huddle,
I mean, Dickens. It is five all in the first set,
and that first set has been going for an hour.
This is Djokovic versus Verev. Got an hour just to
get through ten games. This is going to be massive.
This is great tennis this year, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It has been absolutely and I think when you take
out Rafao and Nadal, Roger Federer and the men straw,
there are a lot of questions around the future of
that and perhaps not having a star around Djokovic to
challenge and well, there's been plenty that have stepped up,
haven't they. Yarnick Cinner obviously has been, there been Shelton
very very promising. Z Is there or thereabouts. So I
(05:34):
think those contenders are beginning to emerge across the sport,
which is really very exciting. And then the women's straw,
you know, Serena Williams retires a couple of years ago,
or Iagasiontek steps up again, Arena Sabalinka, and then you
are other players that are coming through as well. So
It's been a great tournament so far. There's been obviously
headlines off the court, but in terms of the tennis
it has been outstanding. And you know, as you say,
(05:56):
this could be a match that sort of goes through
at about ten o'clock tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I hope so, because I'm working until seven. So Lavina,
here's the thing. Novak called out Tony Jones, Ben Sheldon
called out all the court side interviewers. Were they justified.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I actually wasn't offended by John Fitzgerald's comments in reference
to Shelton. I didn't find them offensive. I thought they're
quite colloquial and patriotic, and I just look, the thing
is for me, And I don't know, I don't know
if everyone agrees with this andrel and Elliott, but the
thing is for me. The problem is, it's not just
with tennis broadcasting. It's a trend to have ex sports
people become journalists and interviewers, and there's a real art
(06:34):
to interviewing. The best interviewers in the world don't try
and be funny or what people will make it about themselves,
and exports people really haven't been trained in the art
of asking a decent question. So maybe there's a lesson
to be learned that you don't just have an ex
player or someone that has been really really really good
on the court that might just be a really really
good interviewer. The art might get someone in there that
asks a decent question, I think in future, and that's
(06:58):
where I think the issue is for some of these players.
They're feeling offended by some of the comments where the
ex players are trying to be funny and colloquial. But
in the end, really it just comes down to asking
a decent question because where the listeners were the viewers.
We want to hear the responses from the athletes. We
want them offend it.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
We don't want to watch amagon tennis players, so why
should we listen to amateur interviewers. After again, you know, cricket,
the Super Smash is a fantastic product, but not enough
people overseas are watching it and the thought is to
try and get some teams into the Big Bash in Australia,
which of course we do that with all sorts of sports,
whether it's basketball, whether it's football, and it's been a
great success. So should we do that, Eliot.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Absolutely we should. It should be the first thing on
New Zealand Cricket's agenda. Look, the Super Smash is fine
for what it is, and comparing to the Big Bash
is fraught because there are two different things. Ones a
franchise competition, the others are very much a provincial competition.
But it's the natural comparison that people make and the
Big Bash blows the Super Smash out of the water.
The production values are higher, the crickets better, that the
(07:57):
players are of a higher caliber. So it happens across
any number of sports. We linked with Australia were stronger
together when it comes to sporting competitions. I think getting
at least one New Zealand team in there would rise
the standard of New Zealand cricket. You could still have
the Super Smash underneath it as a feeder competition into
the New Zealand Big Bash team. But I think the
(08:17):
franchise cricket train is continuing and you look around the globe,
is four or five going on at this point in time.
Right now in January, you've got to join or you're
going to be left behind in New Zealand cricket need
to do it asap.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And Navin a last question for you should or complay
anything to get sale DP back.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
What twenty five people turn up to watch it and
it cost a million bucks to run and five million
dollars was injected into the community in the economy. So
that's a really good thing. It's a great event. But
I don't know if rate postion really where the cost
or even taxpayers if you think about it. I mean,
we talk about snow sports being canceled with you the
X Games and the Winter Games being canceled in the
(08:56):
South Island. Do we have to fork out for that?
It might just come down to the fact approach more
supporters and corporates to support these events. I don't know
if the rate page should fork out for it, but
they're great events and it's wonderful to watch. I just
don't know if we can afford to fork out when
we've got to pay for roads, good pay for education, got
to pay for health.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, but if you had a restaurant down and CBD,
you just go yep, yep, yep, yep, and then yep.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Hey, Lavina, and and thank you so much for your
thoughts today The sports hudle on News talks edb.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
News Talks EDB from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
The Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
local and global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Back you over writed, no back kicking in.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I feel like broadcasters should be helping us grow our
sport and help these athletes who just won matches on
the biggest stage enjoy one of their biggest moments.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The last thing you want is supply is thinking, actually,
well I'm going to leave school at fifteen and to
go in to Australia play NRL or whatever it is.
I think it's just we've got to be really thoughtful
about eligible team.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
All right, just get into a sports huddle out of Friday.
We've got Eliot Smith, our deputy sports news director, and
Lavina Goods, sports journalist.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Hello people, afternoon.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yep, good an, nice to chat with you.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hello, Hello, How good was that Curry story?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Eliot?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh, fantastic. Look, I I know my sister her husband
had got tickets. They got the months ago. They live
in West Melton, which is about ten minutes drive away
from Kerwei. So there's some of the two thousand extras
that are coming into Kerwei for the afternoon, and no
doubt they'll have an afternoon out. I know special to
see rugby go to these regions, whether it's pre season
(01:20):
or season itself. I don't think we do that enough
in New Zealand. It's the heart but you know, the
heartbeat of the game here and so the more we
can do to connect with those regions I think the better.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well, the Crusaders are getting them a cat. Couldn't they
give them the whole gate?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Quite possibly? You know, three thousand people times. Whatever they
get paid to get in ten bucks or twenty bucks
or whatever it might be, is probably not going to
be too much skin off the nose of the Crusaders.
Mind you, they're not getting Richie and Wanga back, so
maybe they need to get the money in when they can.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Okay, Elliott's just brought up the elephant of the room,
Levenna Richie mul Langa. Why do you think Razor didn't
get Richie back? I mean, or who was it? Was
it Richie didn't want to come back or we couldn't
get him back? What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I think the big question actually is did the All
Blacks need more anger? And that's a big fact, yes,
without doubt. I mean, body Barrett's getting a bit old
and McKenzie's really not making the cart at the moment
and at this stage the way it stands, even though
Razor was saying we'll get him back, it doesn't look
like he'll be available till mid next year, which will
be far too late I think for the All Blacks.
It's just a bit ironic. Maybe in July next year.
(02:28):
This year, sorry, he'll be playing for an invitational fifteen
against the Lions as a warm up where the All
Blacks will play against France. I guess you know. The
other thing is do I want Richie more On going
to play for the All Blacks?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I feel sorry for him earning six million dollars playing
for Japan for three years.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
No.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Should New Zealand Rugby change its rules if they want
the All Blacks to be successful in twenty twenty five, probably, yes,
we need more anger. You should be here.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Well yeah, okay, but that again you could have another
question is can we open up selection overseas?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
In a way, I think that might be the way
forward if it means that we're losing players that we
need to actually be successful at the moment without a
significant first five, the All Blacks will absolutely struggle. It's
thirty three year old Boden Barrett at the moment that
is the incumbent first five and that's not going to
make it internationally, I don't think for the All Blacks.
So whether or not you know you can open up
the dollar books and the money books, or whether or
(03:23):
not you can welcome some players from overseas if you
want to make a difference, If the All Blacks want
to be successful and back to being the very best
in the world, changes need to be made.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Elliot's watched every single All Blacks game this season, So
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Look, I think the time is coming where they're going
to have to seriously look at these rules. I know
they want to protect super rugby as much as possible,
and that's understandable, but to my mind it's almost more
of a detriment now that you're having this will Richie Muonger,
Willy Willy Woni come back sort of scenarios now the
Crusaders or which I have a team he signs for,
(03:58):
don't know who's going to be there, or as if
he goes to Japan, is earning all that sort of money.
At least you know he's out of there. He's not
going to be playing Super rugby. Yes, it's a loss
for the competition, but you don't have to think of
as long here this year as the on sabbatical is
as already here as the on sabbatical, So it would
clear that up to an extent. And it also takes
a lot of the financial pressure off New Zealand rugby
in a way because he's earning a lot of money abroad.
(04:20):
They would have to play all blacks, fees and various
things like that, but they would contribute I think, a
lot less than they would having him back in New Zealand.
So I think the trainer is coming to the station
pretty soon for New Zealand Rugby to make a call
in some way, whether it's captain, maybe it's a couple
of players. You can still it from abroad, but I
think it ultimately it's looking like a battle. They're probably
going to lose.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Elliott and Levina as Levina is on the sports huddle
and we're going to continue in a few minutes time,
and we're going to talk tennis, and we're going to
talk crickets, and we're going to talk sailing.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
elevate the marketing of your home with.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
A very good and Elliot Smith. This is the sports huddle,
I mean, Dickens. It is five all in the first set,
and that first set has been going for an hour.
This is Djokovic versus Verev. Got an hour just to
get through ten games. This is going to be massive.
This is great tennis this year, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It has been absolutely and I think when you take
out Rafao and Nadal, Roger Federer and the men straw,
there are a lot of questions around the future of
that and perhaps not having a star around Djokovic to
challenge and well, there's been plenty that have stepped up,
haven't they. Yarnick Cinner obviously has been, there been Shelton
very very promising. Z Is there or thereabouts. So I
(05:34):
think those contenders are beginning to emerge across the sport,
which is really very exciting. And then the women's straw,
you know, Serena Williams retires a couple of years ago,
or Iagasiontek steps up again, Arena Sabalinka, and then you
are other players that are coming through as well. So
It's been a great tournament so far. There's been obviously
headlines off the court, but in terms of the tennis
it has been outstanding. And you know, as you say,
(05:56):
this could be a match that sort of goes through
at about ten o'clock tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I hope so, because I'm working until seven. So Lavina,
here's the thing. Novak called out Tony Jones, Ben Sheldon
called out all the court side interviewers. Were they justified.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I actually wasn't offended by John Fitzgerald's comments in reference
to Shelton. I didn't find them offensive. I thought they're
quite colloquial and patriotic, and I just look, the thing
is for me, And I don't know, I don't know
if everyone agrees with this andrel and Elliott, but the
thing is for me. The problem is, it's not just
with tennis broadcasting. It's a trend to have ex sports
people become journalists and interviewers, and there's a real art
(06:34):
to interviewing. The best interviewers in the world don't try
and be funny or what people will make it about themselves,
and exports people really haven't been trained in the art
of asking a decent question. So maybe there's a lesson
to be learned that you don't just have an ex
player or someone that has been really really really good
on the court that might just be a really really
good interviewer. The art might get someone in there that
asks a decent question, I think in future, and that's
(06:58):
where I think the issue is for some of these players.
They're feeling offended by some of the comments where the
ex players are trying to be funny and colloquial. But
in the end, really it just comes down to asking
a decent question because where the listeners were the viewers.
We want to hear the responses from the athletes. We
want them offend it.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
We don't want to watch amagon tennis players, so why
should we listen to amateur interviewers. After again, you know, cricket,
the Super Smash is a fantastic product, but not enough
people overseas are watching it and the thought is to
try and get some teams into the Big Bash in Australia,
which of course we do that with all sorts of sports,
whether it's basketball, whether it's football, and it's been a
great success. So should we do that, Eliot.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Absolutely we should. It should be the first thing on
New Zealand Cricket's agenda. Look, the Super Smash is fine
for what it is, and comparing to the Big Bash
is fraught because there are two different things. Ones a
franchise competition, the others are very much a provincial competition.
But it's the natural comparison that people make and the
Big Bash blows the Super Smash out of the water.
The production values are higher, the crickets better, that the
(07:57):
players are of a higher caliber. So it happens across
any number of sports. We linked with Australia were stronger
together when it comes to sporting competitions. I think getting
at least one New Zealand team in there would rise
the standard of New Zealand cricket. You could still have
the Super Smash underneath it as a feeder competition into
the New Zealand Big Bash team. But I think the
(08:17):
franchise cricket train is continuing and you look around the globe,
is four or five going on at this point in time.
Right now in January, you've got to join or you're
going to be left behind in New Zealand cricket need
to do it asap.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And Navin a last question for you should or complay
anything to get sale DP back.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
What twenty five people turn up to watch it and
it cost a million bucks to run and five million
dollars was injected into the community in the economy. So
that's a really good thing. It's a great event. But
I don't know if rate postion really where the cost
or even taxpayers if you think about it. I mean,
we talk about snow sports being canceled with you the
X Games and the Winter Games being canceled in the
(08:56):
South Island. Do we have to fork out for that?
It might just come down to the fact approach more
supporters and corporates to support these events. I don't know
if the rate page should fork out for it, but
they're great events and it's wonderful to watch. I just
don't know if we can afford to fork out when
we've got to pay for roads, good pay for education, got
to pay for health.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, but if you had a restaurant down and CBD,
you just go yep, yep, yep, yep, and then yep.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Hey, Lavina, and and thank you so much for your
thoughts today The sports hudle on News talks edb.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
News Talks EDB from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
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