March 5, 2025 • 6 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and AUT chancellor Rob Campbell joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr stunned the country by announcing a shock resignation earlier today. What do we think caused this? Did he want to leave - or was he pushed out?
Recycling bin inspectors will be fitted with body cameras in a bid to reduce abuse on the job. What do we make of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Find your one of the kind. Tim Wilson, CEO of
the Maximum Institute. Good evening, Tim Cura.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I hope it's not too triggering for me to say that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, I know we are in good company here, Rob
Campbell at Chancellor and former Healthy and Z and shares
with us too. Hey, Rob, good evening to you, Kyoder,
good Curra good a mate. What did you make of
what Richard Preeoble had to say there, Tim.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, it's you know, when an organization is starting to
repudiate what at the rulings that it made from ten
years ago and turning its back on forty years, I
think there's an identity issue with that organization. So that
critique sort of resonated for me.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
What about you, Rob, Well, our understanding about these issues
has evolved over the last fifty years, and the fact
that Richard hasn't probably means he did the right thing
by resigning.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
One of the big it was a serf from you, Rob.
One of the big issues that he taught about is
Malori's seeding sovereignty and the fact that none of the
chiefs in their correspondence post signing the treaty thought that
they had done anything other than seed sovereignty. So how
did we get to the point where we're now saying,
and the tribunal itself is saying, actually, Marty never seated
(01:16):
sovereignty to.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, and look, I've spoken with his historians who said
that Mariya at the time were very clear on what
they were succeeding to gain, and there was a there
was a discussion of it at Kohimarama like ten years later,
and this issue didn't come up. So I find I
find this this trope. Yeah, it's it's confusing to me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
All Right, guys, we're going to take up a quick
break here on the Huddle. We're going to come back
and talk about Adrian or I want to get your
takes on what you think is going on here. Rob,
You've obviously had your fair share of experience with high
profile public sector partings, so I'd like to get your
take on what you think might be going on here.
The Huddle returns Neck Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International
(02:02):
Realty the Ones with local and global reach thirteen to Sex,
Tim Wilson and Rob Campbell with me tonight. So Adrian
aw is gone. Question is why now he's still got
three years more than three years to run on his contract.
Seems very odd timing, Rob. What do you make of this?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, I don't know what deal he did. In fact,
I'm completely unburdened by any inside information on this, so
I can speak and would guess. Is this that because
Adrian is a bit of a fighter, so he wouldn't
naturally just have said, oh you think I should move,
I will. So I think this is hard for you
(02:43):
to imagine, but I pictured myself as being Nikola willis
probably a bit hard for her as well. But anyway,
if I was here, I don't like Adrian or I'm
not sure how he's going to behave as I go
through this next couple of years, and I actually would
quite like him to go. But I don't have the
powder tell him to go. What I do the power
to do is to talk to the board. And I
(03:04):
think if the board started to waver about whether they
were supportive of Adrian, that would be much harder for
him to stay. So here's my speculation. I think the
Nats wanted him to go. I think they tooked to
people who they feel influential was on the board, and
why wouldn't they be influential on the board they appoint them,
(03:25):
and he got a bit of a wobble there and
decided it was better to leave discretion the better part.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Of valor interesting because I thought initially I thought he's
got a new job and we're just waiting to hear
about it, and there's some confidentiality thing going on. But
maybe because it's interesting, you talk about Nicola, Willis not
liking him, wanting to get rid of him. Another way
to go about that would be to put the squeeze
on the finance. And you know the budget's coming, you're sitting,
you new you're sitting in new appropriations. Maybe you put
(03:51):
the squeeze on that way. Maybe he's got wind and
he's out before it gets too hard.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Tim Yeah, yeah, look, maybe that's And I'm still trying
to get the image of Rob Campbell wearing a pants
suit out of my head. It's very, very pretty disturbing,
all right, And I know it's clarifying for me. But
you raised the issue, and since since we're doing theories,
(04:17):
you said, I hope he's all right physically, because this
would have been like this cone of silence around it,
and I certainly do hope he's all right. But I
think you know, what was interesting to me was that
that's sort of like I've done. You know, I've done.
Things are going well, I can go now. But I mean,
this is someone who a leading economist in twenty twenty
one said he overcooked the stimulus by ninety percent. So
(04:39):
you know, it's ash Wednesday today. Forgiveness is offered, but
a little repentance might be helpful.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, hey, just finally, recycling bin inspectors are going to
be fitted with body cameras. This is to stop them
being abused on the job.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I don't obviously, I don't know one tolerates abuse towards
anyone who's just trying to do their job. But there
is something It's like, It's like if somebody was to
put a camera in the toilet, you know that it's
someone going through your rubbish. It is something very personal
and unsettling about it, isn't the.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, well, good luck to them sorting out the way
I recycle.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
At least you're honest.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, you'd lose it, you'd be a three strikes guy.
Just like that. I reckon.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And everyone. Everyone in the country is going to have
to wear a body cam, aren't they? When you go
shoving at the supermarket or wherever you go, We're all
going to have to have body cams to prove that
we didn't do something and appropriate to someone else. Look,
I really don't know about recycling, but in fact most
recyclings are fraud anyway. Yeah, so I can't get very
(05:45):
excited about it.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's so true. Your fifty seven percent of packaging and
recycling is actually not recyclable. It's a different grade of plastic,
and of the remaining plastic it's recyclable, forty one percent
of that's thrown away by recycling centers because we can't
recycle it. It's a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Great, bring on acidly. I don't know if you can
recycle body cameras either, they're probably quite not.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Can you recycle pantsuits?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Very good? Tim Wilson and Rob Campbell, thanks for being
with us, guys. Take it easy out there and don't
forget not to recycle.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Nine to six For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive,
listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio,
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Find your one of the kind. Tim Wilson, CEO of
the Maximum Institute. Good evening, Tim Cura.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I hope it's not too triggering for me to say that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, I know we are in good company here, Rob
Campbell at Chancellor and former Healthy and Z and shares
with us too. Hey, Rob, good evening to you, Kyoder,
good Curra good a mate. What did you make of
what Richard Preeoble had to say there, Tim.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, it's you know, when an organization is starting to
repudiate what at the rulings that it made from ten
years ago and turning its back on forty years, I
think there's an identity issue with that organization. So that
critique sort of resonated for me.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
What about you, Rob, Well, our understanding about these issues
has evolved over the last fifty years, and the fact
that Richard hasn't probably means he did the right thing
by resigning.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
One of the big it was a serf from you, Rob.
One of the big issues that he taught about is
Malori's seeding sovereignty and the fact that none of the
chiefs in their correspondence post signing the treaty thought that
they had done anything other than seed sovereignty. So how
did we get to the point where we're now saying,
and the tribunal itself is saying, actually, Marty never seated
(01:16):
sovereignty to.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, and look, I've spoken with his historians who said
that Mariya at the time were very clear on what
they were succeeding to gain, and there was a there
was a discussion of it at Kohimarama like ten years later,
and this issue didn't come up. So I find I
find this this trope. Yeah, it's it's confusing to me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
All Right, guys, we're going to take up a quick
break here on the Huddle. We're going to come back
and talk about Adrian or I want to get your
takes on what you think is going on here. Rob,
You've obviously had your fair share of experience with high
profile public sector partings, so I'd like to get your
take on what you think might be going on here.
The Huddle returns Neck Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International
(02:02):
Realty the Ones with local and global reach thirteen to Sex,
Tim Wilson and Rob Campbell with me tonight. So Adrian
aw is gone. Question is why now he's still got
three years more than three years to run on his contract.
Seems very odd timing, Rob. What do you make of this?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, I don't know what deal he did. In fact,
I'm completely unburdened by any inside information on this, so
I can speak and would guess. Is this that because
Adrian is a bit of a fighter, so he wouldn't
naturally just have said, oh you think I should move,
I will. So I think this is hard for you
(02:43):
to imagine, but I pictured myself as being Nikola willis
probably a bit hard for her as well. But anyway,
if I was here, I don't like Adrian or I'm
not sure how he's going to behave as I go
through this next couple of years, and I actually would
quite like him to go. But I don't have the
powder tell him to go. What I do the power
to do is to talk to the board. And I
(03:04):
think if the board started to waver about whether they
were supportive of Adrian, that would be much harder for
him to stay. So here's my speculation. I think the
Nats wanted him to go. I think they tooked to
people who they feel influential was on the board, and
why wouldn't they be influential on the board they appoint them,
(03:25):
and he got a bit of a wobble there and
decided it was better to leave discretion the better part.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Of valor interesting because I thought initially I thought he's
got a new job and we're just waiting to hear
about it, and there's some confidentiality thing going on. But
maybe because it's interesting, you talk about Nicola, Willis not
liking him, wanting to get rid of him. Another way
to go about that would be to put the squeeze
on the finance. And you know the budget's coming, you're sitting,
you new you're sitting in new appropriations. Maybe you put
(03:51):
the squeeze on that way. Maybe he's got wind and
he's out before it gets too hard.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Tim Yeah, yeah, look, maybe that's And I'm still trying
to get the image of Rob Campbell wearing a pants
suit out of my head. It's very, very pretty disturbing,
all right, And I know it's clarifying for me. But
you raised the issue, and since since we're doing theories,
(04:17):
you said, I hope he's all right physically, because this
would have been like this cone of silence around it,
and I certainly do hope he's all right. But I
think you know, what was interesting to me was that
that's sort of like I've done. You know, I've done.
Things are going well, I can go now. But I mean,
this is someone who a leading economist in twenty twenty
one said he overcooked the stimulus by ninety percent. So
(04:39):
you know, it's ash Wednesday today. Forgiveness is offered, but
a little repentance might be helpful.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, hey, just finally, recycling bin inspectors are going to
be fitted with body cameras. This is to stop them
being abused on the job.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I don't obviously, I don't know one tolerates abuse towards
anyone who's just trying to do their job. But there
is something It's like, It's like if somebody was to
put a camera in the toilet, you know that it's
someone going through your rubbish. It is something very personal
and unsettling about it, isn't the.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, well, good luck to them sorting out the way
I recycle.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
At least you're honest.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, you'd lose it, you'd be a three strikes guy.
Just like that. I reckon.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And everyone. Everyone in the country is going to have
to wear a body cam, aren't they? When you go
shoving at the supermarket or wherever you go, We're all
going to have to have body cams to prove that
we didn't do something and appropriate to someone else. Look,
I really don't know about recycling, but in fact most
recyclings are fraud anyway. Yeah, so I can't get very
(05:45):
excited about it.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's so true. Your fifty seven percent of packaging and
recycling is actually not recyclable. It's a different grade of plastic,
and of the remaining plastic it's recyclable, forty one percent
of that's thrown away by recycling centers because we can't
recycle it. It's a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Great, bring on acidly. I don't know if you can
recycle body cameras either, they're probably quite not.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Can you recycle pantsuits?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Very good? Tim Wilson and Rob Campbell, thanks for being
with us, guys. Take it easy out there and don't
forget not to recycle.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Nine to six For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive,
listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio,
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