October 14, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, lawyer and political commentator Brigitte Morton and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
New data shows one in seven Kiwis believe violence is needed to get the country back on track. How worrying is this data?
The hostages and prisoners have been freed in Gaza - why aren't more people celebrating? Do we need to give Donald Trump more credit for what appears to be - for now - peace in the Middle East?
Are the latest dramas involving Te Pāti Māori (allegations of MP Mariameno Kapa-Kingi overspending its budget, allegations that Eru Kapa-Kingi verbally abused Parliamentary security staff) a sign of a party that shouldn't be in power? What do we make of all this?
New data shows more Kiwis are moving to Australia. Should we be concerned about the ongoing brain drain?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nineteen away from Sexville.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
On the Huddle of Us this evening, we have Bridget
Morton who is a lawyer with Frank's Ogilvy, and Allie
Jones with Red pr Hallo you too, Allay, all right,
what do you reckon, Bridget? How do we take the
tone down so people don't feel like they have to
use the violence?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think it's that polarization and that echo chamber that
was just being discussed has led it to people believing
or accepting that violence is a tool that's within the
toolbox because they're not getting i think, so many balanced
views anymore. And you can just see that play out.
I think the parliamentary protests were an absolute example of that.
In the beginning, you had a very peaceful, well organized protest,
(00:44):
a lot of people there for the right intentions, but
what you ended up was that core, that sort of
self reflecting echo chamber of core people who believe the
only way out of that protest or the ones to
show that they're frustration was violence. And I think that
this poll is reflective of that kind of you people
that don't believe they're being heard, that have been fed
into matan to tell them they're not being heard seeing
(01:06):
that violence is you on the option?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What do you think, Gali?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Look, I agree with Catherine everything that she said, but
I think the thing that I agreed with most strongly
was her comment around you know, the statistics and the
skewing here. I mean, you know, when Jordan and I
are on we bang heads a bit, and I feel
the same about this this survey. I mean, their website
says a quarter of the party Mary and one in
(01:30):
five ACT voters say violence may be needed to fix
New Zealand. And that's just absolute nonsense. I mean, you've
heard the saying lies, damned lives and statistics, and that's
what I think this is in that question about violence
and whether we may need to resort to violence to
yet New Zealand back on track. If you look at
the results of this thousand people survey, eighty percent disagreed
(01:53):
and six percent were unsure. So I think we have
to keep it in context. We've seen violence before the
Springbot to the Queen Street Rights. We've always seen it.
But I think that this if you want to talk
about dog whistle politics. This is how to create a
story out of nothing at all, in my opinion, so
I think that's nonsense.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So do you think, okay, are you arguing Ali that
fourteen percent? You can? It would be historically consistent. Not
a big deal, it.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Would be historically consistent.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
What, sorry, are you arguing that fourteen percent of people
saying yep, violence is okay? To get the country back
on track would be pretty much the historical norm.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, I don't know what it is. But then even
in the question itself, Heather, what does getting the country
back on track mean? It might mean something to one
person and something to someone else. I just think when
you look at eighty percent disagreed with that, that's the
story here. And I think this has been created to
get that to party MARII and five act voters stat
(02:51):
out of that, that's just creating a news story.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find your
one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
By the way, if if you want to know how
it's going with the judges and the rule that caps
their ability to sentence to give the sentencing discounts not good,
I've got something to tell you about that before six.
So stand by, it's thirteen away from sex and we're
back with the huddle. Bridget Morton and Allie Jones. Now, Bridget,
I have been given given that the release of the hostages,
it should be a momentous day of celebration. I'm actually
(03:21):
quite surprised to how muted it is, are.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You I'm not surprised. I think the silence, particularly from
the Greens up un to this point, probably indicates that
for them it was about the fight more than it's
been about the outcome and the fact that they haven't
been able to I think celebrate the fact that there
is you know, peace at the moment, and that there
is for you know, people on both sides a lot
(03:44):
more stupidly going forward than what they've had for the
last two years. I think reflects quite badly on them.
I would have liked to see, I think, much more
celebration in New Zealand and an acknowledgment of the impact
that it's been had. But unfortunately, I think that some
people have been blinded by Trump's involvement in this deal
and are concerned that if they express you know, delight
(04:06):
or with positivity around it, that they're somehow giving Trump
some credit that they don't want to give him.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah. Ali, That's where I landed, I think. I mean,
I think part of it is that people are, you know,
reluctant to celebrate a piece that could fall apart at
any minute. But also I think it is the Trump involvement.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Oh, absolutely, I totally agree with you. I think that
acknowledging or even praising Trump is going to be a
massive challenge for a lot of people. I was reading
online today that a lot of the Democrats in Washington
have been making statements and they've actually worked really hard
not to include Trump's name in any of the comments
that they've met. You know, I know that Hillary Clinton
and Broke Obama have come out and they have praised him,
(04:45):
and I think they've had to otherwise it would have
looked childish. But I think the other thing that makes
this difficult to celebrate really is the incredible destruction and
the death of children and women and pregnant women lose.
I mean, I think it's been so revolting and horrible
for so long that yes, it's great to celebrate this,
(05:06):
but there's still that very very obvious and present specter
of what's been going on for the last two years,
and that I think is one of the reasons why
people are quite mutship with it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, perhaps, so, Hey, what's going on with the Maori Party,
bridget what have you heard?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well? I mean, obviously quite a lot of internal infractions.
I think their move last night to send an email
out their supporters making it clear exactly what the allegations
were against Carpu, Kenni and her son are very clear
pointed frustration that they have been under pressure for leadership
for the last week or so to be shown that
they're not dictators, and the other allegations made against them.
(05:46):
I think this shows, this public display shows that those
frustrations have boiled over and they they're not able to
deal with them internally anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, you know what, Alie I did not love the
fact that she was using taxpayer money to pay her son.
What about you?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I agree? And I heard the comments earlier about the
rules being a little blurred about what you should and
shouldn't do. I think anyone with half a brain could
could work out what you should and shouldn't do. And
we all know about perceived conflict and real conflict of
interest as well. But what's really interesting about what's happening
with the Malori party now is it just keeps guessing worse.
(06:21):
I mean, I do wonder whether there is this culture
of arrogance within the party. I mean we've seen it
with Tommaheavy last week, you know, being smart as he
was being asked questions about the dictatorship and the alleged
dictatorship kind of way that the leader's lead. And we
saw it when Mikey Sherman was asking questions, quite legitimate questions,
and the leaders just basically turned around and walked away.
(06:44):
I mean, even though we're hearing that they are resetting
and that they aren't really like this, and now this
email has come out, we're not seeing anything that suggests
that they are, you know, any better than we're being told.
And we see they are now.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It doesn't look lash Ell. Are you worried about the
brain drain?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
No, I'm not. I think this is really interesting from
a you know, the point that you raised about a
few years ago, we would have been quite worried about it.
I don't know whether it is a brain drain now
so much we had got a lot of brains in
New Zealand that actually can't get jobs too, you know,
our nurses, some of our midwives. So I don't think
it's a brain drain. And I also think we're so
distracted Heather was trying to manage our food buying and
(07:24):
our access to the health system and the doctors that
people going to Australia is not as high on our
list of concerns is as maybe it was five ten
years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I totally agree with you, and I wonder bridget it actually,
you know, we're so concerned with our own bills that
it starts to look like a rational option to us.
Therefore we can hardly begrudge the other people doing it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Absolutely, And I mean I was someone that left the
country for Australia than two thousand and seven, and most importantly,
I came back. And I hope that I came back,
you know, with the masters and with eight years of experience,
that I bring back value to the country. And I
hope that that means that others who have gone out
art and that's tradition of Tea. We used to go
out and experience the world and come back come back
(08:04):
with stuff that actually values the country and makes us
a better country. So I don't regard to you anyone
who's leaving. I mean, that would be completely hypocritical of
me to do so, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Suppose so, guys listen, good to talk to you. Thank
you very much, Bridget Morton, who's the lawyers, Frank Ogilvy,
and Allie Jones from red PA.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to
news talks'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
Nineteen away from Sexville.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
On the Huddle of Us this evening, we have Bridget
Morton who is a lawyer with Frank's Ogilvy, and Allie
Jones with Red pr Hallo you too, Allay, all right,
what do you reckon, Bridget? How do we take the
tone down so people don't feel like they have to
use the violence?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think it's that polarization and that echo chamber that
was just being discussed has led it to people believing
or accepting that violence is a tool that's within the
toolbox because they're not getting i think, so many balanced
views anymore. And you can just see that play out.
I think the parliamentary protests were an absolute example of that.
In the beginning, you had a very peaceful, well organized protest,
(00:44):
a lot of people there for the right intentions, but
what you ended up was that core, that sort of
self reflecting echo chamber of core people who believe the
only way out of that protest or the ones to
show that they're frustration was violence. And I think that
this poll is reflective of that kind of you people
that don't believe they're being heard, that have been fed
into matan to tell them they're not being heard seeing
(01:06):
that violence is you on the option?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What do you think, Gali?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Look, I agree with Catherine everything that she said, but
I think the thing that I agreed with most strongly
was her comment around you know, the statistics and the
skewing here. I mean, you know, when Jordan and I
are on we bang heads a bit, and I feel
the same about this this survey. I mean, their website
says a quarter of the party Mary and one in
(01:30):
five ACT voters say violence may be needed to fix
New Zealand. And that's just absolute nonsense. I mean, you've
heard the saying lies, damned lives and statistics, and that's
what I think this is in that question about violence
and whether we may need to resort to violence to
yet New Zealand back on track. If you look at
the results of this thousand people survey, eighty percent disagreed
(01:53):
and six percent were unsure. So I think we have
to keep it in context. We've seen violence before the
Springbot to the Queen Street Rights. We've always seen it.
But I think that this if you want to talk
about dog whistle politics. This is how to create a
story out of nothing at all, in my opinion, so
I think that's nonsense.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So do you think, okay, are you arguing Ali that
fourteen percent? You can? It would be historically consistent. Not
a big deal, it.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Would be historically consistent.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
What, sorry, are you arguing that fourteen percent of people
saying yep, violence is okay? To get the country back
on track would be pretty much the historical norm.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, I don't know what it is. But then even
in the question itself, Heather, what does getting the country
back on track mean? It might mean something to one
person and something to someone else. I just think when
you look at eighty percent disagreed with that, that's the
story here. And I think this has been created to
get that to party MARII and five act voters stat
(02:51):
out of that, that's just creating a news story.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find your
one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
By the way, if if you want to know how
it's going with the judges and the rule that caps
their ability to sentence to give the sentencing discounts not good,
I've got something to tell you about that before six.
So stand by, it's thirteen away from sex and we're
back with the huddle. Bridget Morton and Allie Jones. Now, Bridget,
I have been given given that the release of the hostages,
it should be a momentous day of celebration. I'm actually
(03:21):
quite surprised to how muted it is, are.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You I'm not surprised. I think the silence, particularly from
the Greens up un to this point, probably indicates that
for them it was about the fight more than it's
been about the outcome and the fact that they haven't
been able to I think celebrate the fact that there
is you know, peace at the moment, and that there
is for you know, people on both sides a lot
(03:44):
more stupidly going forward than what they've had for the
last two years. I think reflects quite badly on them.
I would have liked to see, I think, much more
celebration in New Zealand and an acknowledgment of the impact
that it's been had. But unfortunately, I think that some
people have been blinded by Trump's involvement in this deal
and are concerned that if they express you know, delight
(04:06):
or with positivity around it, that they're somehow giving Trump
some credit that they don't want to give him.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah. Ali, That's where I landed, I think. I mean,
I think part of it is that people are, you know,
reluctant to celebrate a piece that could fall apart at
any minute. But also I think it is the Trump involvement.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Oh, absolutely, I totally agree with you. I think that
acknowledging or even praising Trump is going to be a
massive challenge for a lot of people. I was reading
online today that a lot of the Democrats in Washington
have been making statements and they've actually worked really hard
not to include Trump's name in any of the comments
that they've met. You know, I know that Hillary Clinton
and Broke Obama have come out and they have praised him,
(04:45):
and I think they've had to otherwise it would have
looked childish. But I think the other thing that makes
this difficult to celebrate really is the incredible destruction and
the death of children and women and pregnant women lose.
I mean, I think it's been so revolting and horrible
for so long that yes, it's great to celebrate this,
(05:06):
but there's still that very very obvious and present specter
of what's been going on for the last two years,
and that I think is one of the reasons why
people are quite mutship with it.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, perhaps, so, Hey, what's going on with the Maori Party,
bridget what have you heard?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well? I mean, obviously quite a lot of internal infractions.
I think their move last night to send an email
out their supporters making it clear exactly what the allegations
were against Carpu, Kenni and her son are very clear
pointed frustration that they have been under pressure for leadership
for the last week or so to be shown that
they're not dictators, and the other allegations made against them.
(05:46):
I think this shows, this public display shows that those
frustrations have boiled over and they they're not able to
deal with them internally anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, you know what, Alie I did not love the
fact that she was using taxpayer money to pay her son.
What about you?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I agree? And I heard the comments earlier about the
rules being a little blurred about what you should and
shouldn't do. I think anyone with half a brain could
could work out what you should and shouldn't do. And
we all know about perceived conflict and real conflict of
interest as well. But what's really interesting about what's happening
with the Malori party now is it just keeps guessing worse.
(06:21):
I mean, I do wonder whether there is this culture
of arrogance within the party. I mean we've seen it
with Tommaheavy last week, you know, being smart as he
was being asked questions about the dictatorship and the alleged
dictatorship kind of way that the leader's lead. And we
saw it when Mikey Sherman was asking questions, quite legitimate questions,
and the leaders just basically turned around and walked away.
(06:44):
I mean, even though we're hearing that they are resetting
and that they aren't really like this, and now this
email has come out, we're not seeing anything that suggests
that they are, you know, any better than we're being told.
And we see they are now.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It doesn't look lash Ell. Are you worried about the
brain drain?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
No, I'm not. I think this is really interesting from
a you know, the point that you raised about a
few years ago, we would have been quite worried about it.
I don't know whether it is a brain drain now
so much we had got a lot of brains in
New Zealand that actually can't get jobs too, you know,
our nurses, some of our midwives. So I don't think
it's a brain drain. And I also think we're so
distracted Heather was trying to manage our food buying and
(07:24):
our access to the health system and the doctors that
people going to Australia is not as high on our
list of concerns is as maybe it was five ten
years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I totally agree with you, and I wonder bridget it actually,
you know, we're so concerned with our own bills that
it starts to look like a rational option to us.
Therefore we can hardly begrudge the other people doing it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Absolutely, And I mean I was someone that left the
country for Australia than two thousand and seven, and most importantly,
I came back. And I hope that I came back,
you know, with the masters and with eight years of experience,
that I bring back value to the country. And I
hope that that means that others who have gone out
art and that's tradition of Tea. We used to go
out and experience the world and come back come back
(08:04):
with stuff that actually values the country and makes us
a better country. So I don't regard to you anyone
who's leaving. I mean, that would be completely hypocritical of
me to do so, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Suppose so, guys listen, good to talk to you. Thank
you very much, Bridget Morton, who's the lawyers, Frank Ogilvy,
and Allie Jones from red PA.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to
news talks'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
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