November 28, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners and Auckland Councillor Richard Hills joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Covid-19 response inquiry is out - and it's very critical of the vaccine mandates and aspects of the lockdowns. Do Jacinda Ardern and Chris Hipkins need to apologise to the country?
Another plant based food manufacturer, Sustainable Foods, has gone into liquidation. Does this mean we just don't like fake meat? Will it ever be cool?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand's Tutherbe's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other tuddle.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Of us this evening for low Riley Iron Duke Partners
and former Boss of the Business New Zealand and Richard
Hill's Auckland councilor Hell are you too?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey? You going Phil?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Very well?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Thank you Phil? What do you reckon my chances of
getting an apology out of Chippya?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think about this this afternoon. I think the answers
are the answer is zero or less. But I think
and I hope that he and others in the government
reflect on what the Royal Commission has said today. Was
their Royal Commission. They set it up, they gave it
the terms of reference. I hope they reflect on it
and give us a little bit more than a statement
that it was interesting or useful. I think he said
(00:40):
this afternoon, and he hasn't had a chance to read
the reports so all by that. But I hope that
they will reflect because I think a lot what this
report's about is healing. We need to heal the divisions
that have gone on in our society. We need to
move back to some sort of consensus on this mediicine
sort of cohesion and some reflection from those who are
in charge at the time I think will be an
important part of that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What do you reckon Richard?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, I think I haven't had a chance to read
or seven hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Just have you not just come from what have you
been doing with you died?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
That's all meetings. But yeah, reading the high level stuff,
it does point to things did go too far in
the end. I think it's clear that, you know, the
inquiry saying that with the information they had and the unknowns,
you know, coming through twenty twenty twenty twenty one, they
were doing the best thing they possibly could. And if
(01:27):
you remember back then, everyone was demanding more and more
and more. I remember the ridiculousness around the border of
from media, from people on the street, from opposition parties.
At the time, everyone was kind of like do everything
to protect and then the public mood switched what felt
like quite quickly, but the government did not catch up
with that sentiment, especially with the how long the Auckland
(01:49):
lockdown went and also those mandates like why did they
have to continue into twenty twenty two with or MI
chron would delta? The vaccine was actually really dampening that off,
and then Omnikron took cough. You know, I think we
will look back at the good things that they saved.
A lot of people if you look around the world,
but there's a lot of hur out there, clearly as
seen through this commission.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, I think Phil. You know, look, every one of
us knows, right, you never make it through through life,
or through a major project, or through anything really without
stuffing something up and needing to apologize to somebody for it.
And it wouldn't be the end. It would actually be
quite a good thing for them to say sorry to
people who are the most affected here.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I think so, particularly given well they send you
the reflection I think, I mean just this point, they
made decisions, but to reflect on it, to say what
they would have done differently, and perhaps to accept some
of the criticisms of the Royal Commission, because the point
that Richard makes is, you know, they did the best
they can. Well look at the damage that was caused,
not just the damage to those who couldn't come home
to New Zealand, but the damage done to a generation
(02:49):
of young people, mental health damage, damage in terms of
educational achievement, and damage to social cohesion, which the Commission
points out. I mean, the chances of us actually agreeing
as a country to go into another lockdown, I think
just basically zero. That's the damage that was done. And
I think that requires sensible reflection, because I think that's
the way if they're going to go on, nothing to
(03:10):
see here, move on. I don't think that's going to
let people overcome the anger that they feel and let
them move on to say, Okay, well, I'll live with
what happens in the future.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, Richard, have you changed your mind about the fact.
Have you at any point asked yourself whether the lockdowns
and the closed border was the right thing to do.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
At the very beginning?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, now, like in retrospect, have you ever sat down
and thought, hmm, I wonder if that was the right
thing to do, if we should have done to Sweden.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, it's hard to like for me to say what
would have been the case, because you do look at
I mean, you go to American people are still wearing
masks and things because they all know people overseas who
lost family members on both sides of the couple through
So we didn't get that experience here, and it is
hard to it's hard to know what it would have
been like to lose tons of people and and what
(04:01):
you phil.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Have you ever interrogated whether it was the right actually
fundamentally whether that whole approach was the right approach.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I have, And you look at you look at what
happened with Sweden and some of those who took a
more if you're like, a more kind of trusting approach
to their citizens. You look at the long run impact
on those those societies and those economies, the health of
their children, the health of their old people, and so on.
You've got to argue, in hindsight, maybe they had at
least as right as we did. Take that aside, though,
(04:27):
New Zealand is an ireland and it's always there's always
an easy thing for an island just to close its borders,
and particularly the first few weeks, I think that was
logical because we just didn't know. Remember that we didn't
We didn't know what was going on here. People appeared
to be dying, there was a there was an awful
lot of stuff going on in the press, so it
probably was. But I think, you know, a more trusting
view of New Zealanders. We can't be trusted we're not crazy,
but people, and I think that kind of more more
(04:50):
balanced approach would have actually seen us through. And I
hope now that now we see the long run cost
to it, to our society and to particularly to young people.
I hope that policymakers will make some slightly different decisions
over that happens again, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yes, Richard Goes.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think if the twenty twenty one lockdown didn't happen,
we'd probably look at it very differently, because you did
look around the world, and I talk to friends in Australia, America,
the UK. They were locked down and couldn't into restaurants
and couldn't have concerts while we were out for the
whole of twenty twenty almost doing stuff. So at that
time it seemed it's shifting.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, the mood kept shift.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Everything shifted, and then overseas shifted and we were all
alone with felt.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And now we're pavo, aren't we? Because of what we did?
Aren't we? Richard?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, everyone's a little povo, but well we're more Pavo
than the.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Rest of them, aren't we.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Right, you're back with the huddle for low Riley and
Richard Hill's Richard, do you like the fake meat? Becau's
got another business that's gone under two of them this
year in New Zealand. What's the problem? Are we not
getting into the fake meat?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I don't eat a lot of red meat anyway, but
I don't. I'm not a fan of the fake meat.
But I know a lot of people do like it.
There's the one in the commercial bay which seems a popular.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So have you got friends who eat fake meat? Not friends?
But you know, no, nobody has friends who eat fake meat.
I don't have any friends who eat fake meat, don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I have very few friends fake meat. Fake meat for
me is about as pleasant as bicycling. You know, I
look forward to fake meat as much as I look
forward to bicycling, and for the same reason. It's uncomfortably healthy.
But you know the so I know I don't. I
don't need it. Having said that, fake meat, this kind
of this this digital meet, whatever they're calling it, will
have a place. I mean, you'll see these startups come
(06:31):
and go as they move into this new world. But
it'll turn up somewhere I might turn up and in
food that you can't taste it or something there there'll
be some breakthrough for it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Phil, what's the point, It's just checkpeas if you need
it to turn up in your food somewhere. Did just
check some chickpeas?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We precisely right? I mean I don't. That's why I
don't need it. No, I don't particularly like it, but
you know it's it's it'll have a place somewhere, and
it's likely to actually disrupt red meat production at some
stage in the future, if not now, then it's sometimes.
So we do need to prepare for it in New Zealand.
And the way to do that, of course, is to
make sure that our beautiful, bloody steaks are the best
(07:04):
in the world so that people like you and I can.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Have I not have we not?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Are we not providing enough evidence for you right now
that they will never disrupt red meat because all the
businesses that have tried to make fake meat are.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Struggling well only in New Zealand, I in the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Ones I've seen in the UK as well.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
The US is I think found it was about twenty
percent growth each year and then it stopped.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, I mean there'll be a niche for it some
we I mean, that's that's the reality of it, because
just as they will be for it'll be like.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It'll be like it'll be like the fond set. Like
there are still people with fondu sets? Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
But most of us don't, you, dear criticized wife.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
People have their choices, they have let people choose just.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Calling out a fad, Hey did you go buy some
water today, Richard?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
No, I there is nothing wrong with our water. I
drank it last night, I drank it this morning. I
drink it right now in front of you. But yeah,
there is a slightly elevated level.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Of But how do you feel about the fact that
water can you on Tuesday and didn't tell us until
Wednesday night?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think they knew about the river and then they
wanted to test our watersplane. That's the way it happened.
So that's the way they told you.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
But how do you feel about me finding out it
on social media? First from somebody's stepmum's boss.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
What did you want them to ring here?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I wanted them to put out a press release.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think that's where I heard him from.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, obviously you didn't find out first from the rumorsville.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I think.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think if authorities know something, they should make haste
to let people know as soon as possible, or they
undermine credibility. Wind comes out on social media.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Of course they did, because then they'll be chasing their
tails because some person with a tin hat will say
it's terrible and we're all about to die on this
water Auckland Water will say, oh no, that's not true.
So you're always chasing your tail. But here this is
yet another indication that the safest thing of all to
drink is of course beer. You should be thinking out
on that terms, you know, and getting to people product.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Now you say beer and I know what you're actually drinking.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Is a good room, isn't it'll do too, It's a
second option, you know usnik there I can see so no,
it's but I think you're idea that it is. It's
important that officials get out there and say say something.
At least crazy people are so crazy things and they'll
be they'll be chasing the time totally.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They did.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
They did put it out straight away without an announcement,
because of probably they didn't want to announce it and
they're not.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Richard, Richard, No, they didn't. They were just on the
radio with us before and they said they didn't put
it out straight away.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
But that's what stop telling.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Now everybody's going to make it. It's trying to cover
for them, because I just.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Want people to go to the water Key website to
check about the water.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Because people go to the water Key website and they
might tell you in twelve days.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
People found out today scared and the water's fine.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, thank you, Richard.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
People you want to scare people.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You can either listen to Richard or you could do
what fil said and just drink you beer. Guys. Thanks
very much for Fella and Richards.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on Iheard Radio
The huddle with New Zealand's Tutherbe's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other tuddle.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Of us this evening for low Riley Iron Duke Partners
and former Boss of the Business New Zealand and Richard
Hill's Auckland councilor Hell are you too?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey? You going Phil?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Very well?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Thank you Phil? What do you reckon my chances of
getting an apology out of Chippya?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think about this this afternoon. I think the answers
are the answer is zero or less. But I think
and I hope that he and others in the government
reflect on what the Royal Commission has said today. Was
their Royal Commission. They set it up, they gave it
the terms of reference. I hope they reflect on it
and give us a little bit more than a statement
that it was interesting or useful. I think he said
(00:40):
this afternoon, and he hasn't had a chance to read
the reports so all by that. But I hope that
they will reflect because I think a lot what this
report's about is healing. We need to heal the divisions
that have gone on in our society. We need to
move back to some sort of consensus on this mediicine
sort of cohesion and some reflection from those who are
in charge at the time I think will be an
important part of that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What do you reckon Richard?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, I think I haven't had a chance to read
or seven hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Just have you not just come from what have you
been doing with you died?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
That's all meetings. But yeah, reading the high level stuff,
it does point to things did go too far in
the end. I think it's clear that, you know, the
inquiry saying that with the information they had and the unknowns,
you know, coming through twenty twenty twenty twenty one, they
were doing the best thing they possibly could. And if
(01:27):
you remember back then, everyone was demanding more and more
and more. I remember the ridiculousness around the border of
from media, from people on the street, from opposition parties.
At the time, everyone was kind of like do everything
to protect and then the public mood switched what felt
like quite quickly, but the government did not catch up
with that sentiment, especially with the how long the Auckland
(01:49):
lockdown went and also those mandates like why did they
have to continue into twenty twenty two with or MI
chron would delta? The vaccine was actually really dampening that off,
and then Omnikron took cough. You know, I think we
will look back at the good things that they saved.
A lot of people if you look around the world,
but there's a lot of hur out there, clearly as
seen through this commission.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, I think Phil. You know, look, every one of
us knows, right, you never make it through through life,
or through a major project, or through anything really without
stuffing something up and needing to apologize to somebody for it.
And it wouldn't be the end. It would actually be
quite a good thing for them to say sorry to
people who are the most affected here.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I think so, particularly given well they send you
the reflection I think, I mean just this point, they
made decisions, but to reflect on it, to say what
they would have done differently, and perhaps to accept some
of the criticisms of the Royal Commission, because the point
that Richard makes is, you know, they did the best
they can. Well look at the damage that was caused,
not just the damage to those who couldn't come home
to New Zealand, but the damage done to a generation
(02:49):
of young people, mental health damage, damage in terms of
educational achievement, and damage to social cohesion, which the Commission
points out. I mean, the chances of us actually agreeing
as a country to go into another lockdown, I think
just basically zero. That's the damage that was done. And
I think that requires sensible reflection, because I think that's
the way if they're going to go on, nothing to
(03:10):
see here, move on. I don't think that's going to
let people overcome the anger that they feel and let
them move on to say, Okay, well, I'll live with
what happens in the future.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, Richard, have you changed your mind about the fact.
Have you at any point asked yourself whether the lockdowns
and the closed border was the right thing to do.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
At the very beginning?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, now, like in retrospect, have you ever sat down
and thought, hmm, I wonder if that was the right
thing to do, if we should have done to Sweden.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, it's hard to like for me to say what
would have been the case, because you do look at
I mean, you go to American people are still wearing
masks and things because they all know people overseas who
lost family members on both sides of the couple through
So we didn't get that experience here, and it is
hard to it's hard to know what it would have
been like to lose tons of people and and what
(04:01):
you phil.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Have you ever interrogated whether it was the right actually
fundamentally whether that whole approach was the right approach.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I have, And you look at you look at what
happened with Sweden and some of those who took a
more if you're like, a more kind of trusting approach
to their citizens. You look at the long run impact
on those those societies and those economies, the health of
their children, the health of their old people, and so on.
You've got to argue, in hindsight, maybe they had at
least as right as we did. Take that aside, though,
(04:27):
New Zealand is an ireland and it's always there's always
an easy thing for an island just to close its borders,
and particularly the first few weeks, I think that was
logical because we just didn't know. Remember that we didn't
We didn't know what was going on here. People appeared
to be dying, there was a there was an awful
lot of stuff going on in the press, so it
probably was. But I think, you know, a more trusting
view of New Zealanders. We can't be trusted we're not crazy,
but people, and I think that kind of more more
(04:50):
balanced approach would have actually seen us through. And I
hope now that now we see the long run cost
to it, to our society and to particularly to young people.
I hope that policymakers will make some slightly different decisions
over that happens again, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yes, Richard Goes.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think if the twenty twenty one lockdown didn't happen,
we'd probably look at it very differently, because you did
look around the world, and I talk to friends in Australia, America,
the UK. They were locked down and couldn't into restaurants
and couldn't have concerts while we were out for the
whole of twenty twenty almost doing stuff. So at that
time it seemed it's shifting.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, the mood kept shift.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Everything shifted, and then overseas shifted and we were all
alone with felt.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And now we're pavo, aren't we? Because of what we did?
Aren't we? Richard?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, everyone's a little povo, but well we're more Pavo
than the.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Rest of them, aren't we.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Right, you're back with the huddle for low Riley and
Richard Hill's Richard, do you like the fake meat? Becau's
got another business that's gone under two of them this
year in New Zealand. What's the problem? Are we not
getting into the fake meat?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I don't eat a lot of red meat anyway, but
I don't. I'm not a fan of the fake meat.
But I know a lot of people do like it.
There's the one in the commercial bay which seems a popular.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So have you got friends who eat fake meat? Not friends?
But you know, no, nobody has friends who eat fake meat.
I don't have any friends who eat fake meat, don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I have very few friends fake meat. Fake meat for
me is about as pleasant as bicycling. You know, I
look forward to fake meat as much as I look
forward to bicycling, and for the same reason. It's uncomfortably healthy.
But you know the so I know I don't. I
don't need it. Having said that, fake meat, this kind
of this this digital meet, whatever they're calling it, will
have a place. I mean, you'll see these startups come
(06:31):
and go as they move into this new world. But
it'll turn up somewhere I might turn up and in
food that you can't taste it or something there there'll
be some breakthrough for it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Phil, what's the point, It's just checkpeas if you need
it to turn up in your food somewhere. Did just
check some chickpeas?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We precisely right? I mean I don't. That's why I
don't need it. No, I don't particularly like it, but
you know it's it's it'll have a place somewhere, and
it's likely to actually disrupt red meat production at some
stage in the future, if not now, then it's sometimes.
So we do need to prepare for it in New Zealand.
And the way to do that, of course, is to
make sure that our beautiful, bloody steaks are the best
(07:04):
in the world so that people like you and I can.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Have I not have we not?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Are we not providing enough evidence for you right now
that they will never disrupt red meat because all the
businesses that have tried to make fake meat are.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Struggling well only in New Zealand, I in the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Ones I've seen in the UK as well.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
The US is I think found it was about twenty
percent growth each year and then it stopped.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, I mean there'll be a niche for it some
we I mean, that's that's the reality of it, because
just as they will be for it'll be like.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It'll be like it'll be like the fond set. Like
there are still people with fondu sets? Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
But most of us don't, you, dear criticized wife.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
People have their choices, they have let people choose just.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Calling out a fad, Hey did you go buy some
water today, Richard?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
No, I there is nothing wrong with our water. I
drank it last night, I drank it this morning. I
drink it right now in front of you. But yeah,
there is a slightly elevated level.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Of But how do you feel about the fact that
water can you on Tuesday and didn't tell us until
Wednesday night?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think they knew about the river and then they
wanted to test our watersplane. That's the way it happened.
So that's the way they told you.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
But how do you feel about me finding out it
on social media? First from somebody's stepmum's boss.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
What did you want them to ring here?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I wanted them to put out a press release.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think that's where I heard him from.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, obviously you didn't find out first from the rumorsville.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I think.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think if authorities know something, they should make haste
to let people know as soon as possible, or they
undermine credibility. Wind comes out on social media.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Of course they did, because then they'll be chasing their
tails because some person with a tin hat will say
it's terrible and we're all about to die on this
water Auckland Water will say, oh no, that's not true.
So you're always chasing your tail. But here this is
yet another indication that the safest thing of all to
drink is of course beer. You should be thinking out
on that terms, you know, and getting to people product.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Now you say beer and I know what you're actually drinking.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Is a good room, isn't it'll do too, It's a
second option, you know usnik there I can see so no,
it's but I think you're idea that it is. It's
important that officials get out there and say say something.
At least crazy people are so crazy things and they'll
be they'll be chasing the time totally.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They did.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
They did put it out straight away without an announcement,
because of probably they didn't want to announce it and
they're not.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Richard, Richard, No, they didn't. They were just on the
radio with us before and they said they didn't put
it out straight away.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
But that's what stop telling.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Now everybody's going to make it. It's trying to cover
for them, because I just.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Want people to go to the water Key website to
check about the water.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Because people go to the water Key website and they
might tell you in twelve days.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
People found out today scared and the water's fine.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, thank you, Richard.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
People you want to scare people.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You can either listen to Richard or you could do
what fil said and just drink you beer. Guys. Thanks
very much for Fella and Richards.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on Iheard Radio
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