June 11, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A and Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers' Union joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Groundswell is calling on the Government to pull New Zealand out of the Paris Agreement. Do we see ourselves leaving - or will the agreement fall apart on its own?
Biotechnology company 23andMe is being taken to court by multiple US states over plans to auction off customers' personal genetic information without their consent. Have we ever done one of these tests? What would happen if this data got sold?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle of us. So Seevening. We have Jack Tame,
host of Q and A Saturday Mornings here on Newstig
Zibi and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union Hire you too, Jack,
Jordan are you down there at field Days?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Are you? I sure, am world, it's amazing, it's amazing.
The PM got a little bit more pushback than I
think he was expecting, notwithstanding that poll we're going to
talk about. Huh, but I think there's a slight risk
that the governing parties take the support of farmers for granted.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Push back.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh well, he was pretty snaky on the FEDS have
a great little campaign around save our sheep. This is
the issue with forestry taking over all the productive, so
many of the productive farmland. And he went in there
in the and spoke at the feeds of ends and
said it was the silliest billboard I've ever seen, waste
of money. Ra rah. So clearly it's you know, when
(00:52):
plotics was reacting that it's hitting a sore spot.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah, So not reading the room on that one,
I would have thought, Jack, what do you make of
ground Swell advocating for us to pull out of the Climate.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Cord yeah, I'm not altogether surprised, and I see the
X David Simils are making similar calls. I can't see
national supporting that move for the moment, but I can
foresee a scenario in the next couple of years in
which our whole stack of countries are going to basically
all come out at once and say.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Eh, you know what.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know those commitments we made, Yeah, we're not going
to be reaching.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Those and that we need right Well, well.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Look, New Zealand's not going to lead it. We're not
going to be the Internet. We're not going to be
the country that leads all these other international players pulling
out of Paris, you know. But I mean, so much
of the stuff is around branding, and we like to
think of ourselves as being clean and green. But keep
in mind that even to meet our commitments, even if
we had significantly reduced our emissions much more than we have,
(01:47):
we would still be on the hook for likely billions
of dollars in international carbon credits, as dubious as they
might be, in order to meet our commitments. And I
just think there are going to be a whole I
can foresee a scenario in which our whole heap of
countries are going to come out and say, you know what,
we're not going to buy the credits to make out
the short wall between where we are and where are commitments.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He would be, do you think it's in this inevitability
about this? Jordan?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, I think Jack's being on. But I'd put it
slightly differently because I get really annoyed just with with
politicians just misleading the public. Because you talk to the
even senior cabinet ministers and you talk to them about
the thirty billion dollars that we've signed up for missus
next Climate Target, and they all because it's not in
the government box, it's not there. And they say, oh
(02:30):
well it's not it's not there because you know, I
don't worrying Jordan. You know we're not going to pay it.
You know this is ridiculous. We're not going to really
sign it, we don't really mean it. And in your
moment you put them on tape, for which I did.
I asked little agreed today a sell willing ped the
National MP and this moment they're on tape, they're like,
oh no, we're very serious about it. You know, it's unimaginable.
(02:50):
We pull out and you know, missus Luxon, is that
super clarified?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Like I agree with you. I get irritated by this
as well. But what but come on, guys, come on, Jordan,
think about it, think about our international branding. They cannot
go out there and say that they're not going to
trading partners.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Are already I mean, the Yanks have already said this
is a joke.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We're not going to go trading partner by any means.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Going to pull back because they're not in Paris.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Come on, but you know that we cannot afford it
reputationally to be the guys at the right, at the
vanguard of it saying that we're pulling.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Out the farmers. You know, it's just it makes me
laugh at the town needs all say we can't possibly
do this because it affect the farmers and our international
training relationships. And yet now you're now getting more and
more sort of mainstream farming organization saying that you know
that this is killing up.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But Jordan, do you not think do you not think
that it's being played exactly the right way by the
national lead government at the moment, which is that if
you if you care about this and you read about this.
You can see that they are saying this thing is
falling apart and we're not going to pay the money,
but they cannot say it internationally. So what it means
is you, as a smart farmer, need to start factoring
in that Paris is not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You could be right. It's just I, in principle, really
dislike it when politicians say one thing on tape and
one thing I agree with you. That's why. That's why
I don't want to be a politician.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But if they say it out loud, then someone like
Jack's going to absolutely rip his ninety, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And he should?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Who's nightty am? I ripping? Well?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Can I just test this with you?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Jack?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
How gassed are you that the Paris Accord is in nothing?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I mean, I'm not very go because I'm quite technical
about these sorts of things at the best of times.
I mean, I've thought for a long time that you
know that the gulf between what countries were pledging on
a mission's reductions and what was actually being done was
going to take a herculean effort to overcome. I mean,
I do think climate change is a massive problem. I
do think we need to reduce our emissions. I do
(04:49):
think we need to put a whole lot more effort
and energy into adaptation. One thing I do think is
quite interesting though, But the way this is unfolded is
how the market pressures outside of the explicit detail and
the Powis agreement are dictating behavior. So if you look
at like Fonterra's biggest clients, right, ladies, is it Nestler,
I think is the biggest client for Fontira internationally for
(05:12):
a missions for a missions reduction are arguably going to
do a whole lot more than any of our commitments
under Paris. So you know, it is intriguing to see
what the market is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But again, let's see, let's see if it holds. I
just don't believe it's going to hold it all, even
with the Nestle, Frank Fa.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
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Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right, you're back with the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Jordan,
you've ever done yourself one of those little tests as
DNA tests.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I have, And then I got worried about the
data and got them to delete it. Because it's really interesting.
But I think that's where sort of you know, with
this data sort of traded online, and where where AI
is going and probably where insurance is eventually going to go.
I think we need to be a little bit guarded.
But the biggest probably the horse has already bolted. You
look at that a few years ago of all the
(06:01):
GPS art are across the Wellington region. Yeah, it might
be might be a little late for that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I worry. I worry about the insurance aspect of a jack.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, absolutely, it sort of feels like remember that movie
Gasica Rember that. No, it feels like that.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
What do film?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Look it up? It's written by the guy who wrote
The Key We guy who wrote The Truman Show as well.
Oh yeah, fantastic film. Anyway, it's it's kind of talked
about the DNA profiling in the Fighting Comone's Future, And yeah,
it concerns me as well. I did do one of
those that I did a DNA part of a TV
show way back in the day. You'll be started to
(06:43):
learn that I come from fiercely Scottish, English and Irish
stock for about ninety nine point seven percent of maybe
the other well, the other it curiously is South Asian
because of course my great great great great grandma was
a Muslim woman from Calcafa.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But there you go.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
How do you know this fact?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Because I was on a TV show that went into
my background and and it's it's sort of family law actually,
my my, my whatever whatever it is. My great great
great grandfather was the surge in General of Calcutta, so
moved from Scotland to Calcutta. He and my great great
great whatever grandma checked up and the rest is history.
That is anyway, that is I'm similarly concerned, and so
(07:30):
I'm in the process of trying to.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Have what's the coolest thing about you? Actually right now.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
About you?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's probably a low bar. Really, yeah, it is true
that if you if you yeah, I think I think. Yeah.
Basically the entire thing is just as you'd expect, but
for one flash of something slightly interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So the great great great grandfather was you know, but
racy and decided I feel.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A story there, Like we don't have all the details.
I was like, I was trying to look up the
marriage records and I was like, oh, they're curiously missing.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Mm I love it. Hey, by the way, Jordan just
quickly on that pole that you guys commissioned that found
only three percent of farmers would vote for later.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No us, not us, This isn't us, This is the Feds.
FEDS pole.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I gave you the credit. Take the credit, Just take
it while you still can. But why should be even
turning up? Because that, I mean, that's heartbreakingly low for him.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Isn't it? Clearly Road, clearly Road. There's no way three
percent of farmers support labor. What your polling company is?
There was this courier market reseerve what what's going on? No?
I mean labour actually just down down the way and
the and the rural living Marquee decided, I near the
textiles you need, they've got to cut chippy hasn't turned
(08:40):
up yet when there's been a helicopter coming in and out.
We're waiting for it. Very clearly that they're trying to
make an effort. But it is a real worry. And
this is our largest export industry. Labor need the economic
credibility and you're only getting three percent. The other surprise,
the FEDS tell me that compared to their last poll
a year or two ago, that act has come down
quite a bit again. I think that at the center
(09:02):
rid A're going to have to start delivering rather than
just slow walking there their.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Promises, which is what you were saying before taking them
for granted. Guys, thanks so much, Jack, Tam Jordan Williams Huddles.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
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On the huddle of us. So Seevening. We have Jack Tame,
host of Q and A Saturday Mornings here on Newstig
Zibi and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union Hire you too, Jack,
Jordan are you down there at field Days?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Are you? I sure, am world, it's amazing, it's amazing.
The PM got a little bit more pushback than I
think he was expecting, notwithstanding that poll we're going to
talk about. Huh, but I think there's a slight risk
that the governing parties take the support of farmers for granted.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Push back.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh well, he was pretty snaky on the FEDS have
a great little campaign around save our sheep. This is
the issue with forestry taking over all the productive, so
many of the productive farmland. And he went in there
in the and spoke at the feeds of ends and
said it was the silliest billboard I've ever seen, waste
of money. Ra rah. So clearly it's you know, when
(00:52):
plotics was reacting that it's hitting a sore spot.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah, So not reading the room on that one,
I would have thought, Jack, what do you make of
ground Swell advocating for us to pull out of the Climate.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Cord yeah, I'm not altogether surprised, and I see the
X David Simils are making similar calls. I can't see
national supporting that move for the moment, but I can
foresee a scenario in the next couple of years in
which our whole stack of countries are going to basically
all come out at once and say.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Eh, you know what.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know those commitments we made, Yeah, we're not going
to be reaching.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Those and that we need right Well, well.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Look, New Zealand's not going to lead it. We're not
going to be the Internet. We're not going to be
the country that leads all these other international players pulling
out of Paris, you know. But I mean, so much
of the stuff is around branding, and we like to
think of ourselves as being clean and green. But keep
in mind that even to meet our commitments, even if
we had significantly reduced our emissions much more than we have,
(01:47):
we would still be on the hook for likely billions
of dollars in international carbon credits, as dubious as they
might be, in order to meet our commitments. And I
just think there are going to be a whole I
can foresee a scenario in which our whole heap of
countries are going to come out and say, you know what,
we're not going to buy the credits to make out
the short wall between where we are and where are commitments.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He would be, do you think it's in this inevitability
about this? Jordan?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, I think Jack's being on. But I'd put it
slightly differently because I get really annoyed just with with
politicians just misleading the public. Because you talk to the
even senior cabinet ministers and you talk to them about
the thirty billion dollars that we've signed up for missus
next Climate Target, and they all because it's not in
the government box, it's not there. And they say, oh
(02:30):
well it's not it's not there because you know, I
don't worrying Jordan. You know we're not going to pay it.
You know this is ridiculous. We're not going to really
sign it, we don't really mean it. And in your
moment you put them on tape, for which I did.
I asked little agreed today a sell willing ped the
National MP and this moment they're on tape, they're like,
oh no, we're very serious about it. You know, it's unimaginable.
(02:50):
We pull out and you know, missus Luxon, is that
super clarified?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Like I agree with you. I get irritated by this
as well. But what but come on, guys, come on, Jordan,
think about it, think about our international branding. They cannot
go out there and say that they're not going to
trading partners.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Are already I mean, the Yanks have already said this
is a joke.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We're not going to go trading partner by any means.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Going to pull back because they're not in Paris.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Come on, but you know that we cannot afford it
reputationally to be the guys at the right, at the
vanguard of it saying that we're pulling.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Out the farmers. You know, it's just it makes me
laugh at the town needs all say we can't possibly
do this because it affect the farmers and our international
training relationships. And yet now you're now getting more and
more sort of mainstream farming organization saying that you know
that this is killing up.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But Jordan, do you not think do you not think
that it's being played exactly the right way by the
national lead government at the moment, which is that if
you if you care about this and you read about this.
You can see that they are saying this thing is
falling apart and we're not going to pay the money,
but they cannot say it internationally. So what it means
is you, as a smart farmer, need to start factoring
in that Paris is not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You could be right. It's just I, in principle, really
dislike it when politicians say one thing on tape and
one thing I agree with you. That's why. That's why
I don't want to be a politician.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But if they say it out loud, then someone like
Jack's going to absolutely rip his ninety, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And he should?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Who's nightty am? I ripping? Well?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Can I just test this with you?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Jack?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
How gassed are you that the Paris Accord is in nothing?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I mean, I'm not very go because I'm quite technical
about these sorts of things at the best of times.
I mean, I've thought for a long time that you
know that the gulf between what countries were pledging on
a mission's reductions and what was actually being done was
going to take a herculean effort to overcome. I mean,
I do think climate change is a massive problem. I
do think we need to reduce our emissions. I do
(04:49):
think we need to put a whole lot more effort
and energy into adaptation. One thing I do think is
quite interesting though, But the way this is unfolded is
how the market pressures outside of the explicit detail and
the Powis agreement are dictating behavior. So if you look
at like Fonterra's biggest clients, right, ladies, is it Nestler,
I think is the biggest client for Fontira internationally for
(05:12):
a missions for a missions reduction are arguably going to
do a whole lot more than any of our commitments
under Paris. So you know, it is intriguing to see
what the market is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But again, let's see, let's see if it holds. I
just don't believe it's going to hold it all, even
with the Nestle, Frank Fa.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right, you're back with the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Jordan,
you've ever done yourself one of those little tests as
DNA tests.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I have, And then I got worried about the
data and got them to delete it. Because it's really interesting.
But I think that's where sort of you know, with
this data sort of traded online, and where where AI
is going and probably where insurance is eventually going to go.
I think we need to be a little bit guarded.
But the biggest probably the horse has already bolted. You
look at that a few years ago of all the
(06:01):
GPS art are across the Wellington region. Yeah, it might
be might be a little late for that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I worry. I worry about the insurance aspect of a jack.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, absolutely, it sort of feels like remember that movie
Gasica Rember that. No, it feels like that.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
What do film?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Look it up? It's written by the guy who wrote
The Key We guy who wrote The Truman Show as well.
Oh yeah, fantastic film. Anyway, it's it's kind of talked
about the DNA profiling in the Fighting Comone's Future, And yeah,
it concerns me as well. I did do one of
those that I did a DNA part of a TV
show way back in the day. You'll be started to
(06:43):
learn that I come from fiercely Scottish, English and Irish
stock for about ninety nine point seven percent of maybe
the other well, the other it curiously is South Asian
because of course my great great great great grandma was
a Muslim woman from Calcafa.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But there you go.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
How do you know this fact?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Because I was on a TV show that went into
my background and and it's it's sort of family law actually,
my my, my whatever whatever it is. My great great
great grandfather was the surge in General of Calcutta, so
moved from Scotland to Calcutta. He and my great great
great whatever grandma checked up and the rest is history.
That is anyway, that is I'm similarly concerned, and so
(07:30):
I'm in the process of trying to.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Have what's the coolest thing about you? Actually right now.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
About you?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's probably a low bar. Really, yeah, it is true
that if you if you yeah, I think I think. Yeah.
Basically the entire thing is just as you'd expect, but
for one flash of something slightly interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So the great great great grandfather was you know, but
racy and decided I feel.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A story there, Like we don't have all the details.
I was like, I was trying to look up the
marriage records and I was like, oh, they're curiously missing.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Mm I love it. Hey, by the way, Jordan just
quickly on that pole that you guys commissioned that found
only three percent of farmers would vote for later.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No us, not us, This isn't us, This is the Feds.
FEDS pole.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I gave you the credit. Take the credit, Just take
it while you still can. But why should be even
turning up? Because that, I mean, that's heartbreakingly low for him.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Isn't it? Clearly Road, clearly Road. There's no way three
percent of farmers support labor. What your polling company is?
There was this courier market reseerve what what's going on? No?
I mean labour actually just down down the way and
the and the rural living Marquee decided, I near the
textiles you need, they've got to cut chippy hasn't turned
(08:40):
up yet when there's been a helicopter coming in and out.
We're waiting for it. Very clearly that they're trying to
make an effort. But it is a real worry. And
this is our largest export industry. Labor need the economic
credibility and you're only getting three percent. The other surprise,
the FEDS tell me that compared to their last poll
a year or two ago, that act has come down
quite a bit again. I think that at the center
(09:02):
rid A're going to have to start delivering rather than
just slow walking there their.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Promises, which is what you were saying before taking them
for granted. Guys, thanks so much, Jack, Tam Jordan Williams Huddles.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks they'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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