May 19, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Is Auckland Council out of line for making the owner of a Mt Eden villa remove the new windows because they violate heritage rules? Is this over the top?
Budget 2025 is due out this week - but will the Te Pāti Māori saga overshadow it?
Is Gary Lineker's recent controversy proof adults should stay off social media?
LISTEN ABOVE
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle this evening, Trisharson, Sheerson, Willows PR Joe Speghany,
CEO Child Fund, Hello you guys, Hello, hello Trisha.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're in Aucklander and you live in a here is
Grayland a heritage erry.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Oh absolutely?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What do you think then?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I personally think that that style of aluminum window is
a crime against all that is is good.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's so hideous, isn't.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It absolutely hideous? Having said that, I do think this
is a great example of why Auckland Council's costs are
completely out of control. And did you see the photos
that council had taken of this. I mean, imagine the
cost of that little snapper going out and photographing these
open windows.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You know from you I have to sort of lay
in waiting for the window to open.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You absolutely would, And I do think there is There's
two things here, and often these council debates come down
to this. One is it is realistic for these homeowners
to go with the most cost effective option, even though
I thank you for your insight into parallel importing the
wooden sashes. But the second thing is also that it
(01:08):
takes away, in my view, from an owner's right rights
around their own property. This is really nitpicking stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What do you think, Josey?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, I mean this is typical of the heritage groups
right where they feel like they can impose their own
values on everybody else. So I get it that they
want to keep their own houses heritage, you know, perfect
as it was one hundred years ago. But not everybody
wants to do that. And I do think we've got
a tendency in New Zealand to think that every blemon
(01:41):
wooden barn is somehow heritage because we lack really old buildings.
So you know, I mean even in Paris, you know
the loof which is this beautiful heritage building, they can
build a massive, big modern glass pyramid modernized.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Can't you use a better example? That looks ugly.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But the point is it's like saying there will be
no innovation. I get that the aluminium windows, you don't
like the look of them, But honestly, they've got no
right to tell everybody else that they have to keep
their home exactly as it was with aga burning, you know,
ovens and god knows what else a hundred years ago.
But the other thing I want to say about this
is that this is typical of policy, right, And I
(02:22):
know that the government is wanting to sort of roll
back some of these regulations. But as a society, we
have to decide we've got a housing crisis. We don't
have enough houses. It's as simple as that. And that
means there are tradeoffs. And one of the trade offs
might be that not every house in Mountain gets to
be caught a heritage house. And also that if you
already own a house, if we build more houses, the
(02:45):
value of your house might go down. The value of
my house might go down. There are trade offs, right,
So we have to solve one problem, not pretend that
we can solve multiple problems with this everything bagel approach
to housing.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, and here's what makes a nonsense of this. We
have our indies in a bunch over some aluminum windows
in a villa in Mount Eden. Meanwhile, New Zealand's most
historic building, which is the old custom House on the
waterfront in Russell, is being left to rot because neither
the New Zealand Police or Heritage New Zealand can get
(03:20):
their proverbial together to rescue that building.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So it is arguably more important.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh my goodness, So.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Just shows you one more. Here's just one more example,
talking about Paris. So in Paris, and I lived there
for nearly three years, so you cannot paint your balconies
any other color bit black. So yes, Paris buildings look beautiful.
But guess what, they have a hell of a lot
more riots than we do, because everybody who hasn't got
a home can't afford one in Paris in the city,
(03:46):
lives in the ban lure in the suburbs, and terrible
housing because you can't build it in Paris. I mean,
there are all sorts of implications for this fetishization of
an old villa that's actually only seventy years old and
isn't even that pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Thank you both.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
We'll take a break and come back to it, back
with the hard old Trisherson and Joseph Ganney. Josie, So,
do you think this debate about the punishment for the
Maori party, which is going to kick off tomorrow is
going to overshadow the budget?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, it could do, because as I understand it, if
they do filibuster, i e. They make this debate tomorrow
last until budget day, so I think they still pause
for budget Day. But what it would mean, I guess,
is that party Mari MPs because they wouldn't have had
a vote, They'll still be in Parliament for the budget.
(04:34):
So I think that's going to be the plan. I
think it's going to look terrible for Labor if they
do filibuster, because people just look at it and they go, well,
you know, I mean, the problem because it's so long,
and it is the longest sanction that we've had in
Parliament twenty one days or something. It's making it possible
for Party Mari, for the MPs to present themselves as victims.
(04:57):
So that's the only problem with having it. I think
having the length so extreme that they can get away
with that. So you know, I don't believe even if
they missed budget day that they would actually miss out
on their right to comment on the budget because you know,
we all know every I mean, media don't particularly cover
it in the house, so can I can stand outside
(05:17):
Parliament and say whatever they want to say about the
budget and it will be covered in the media. So
but I think that it's the length of the sanction
is allowing them to present themselves as victims, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's bloody awkward for Niccola though, isn't it tri because
surely she wants some clear air ahead of the budget.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, in my view, this will be worrying the government
because it looks like political management has run away from
them on what is the biggest set piece of the year.
This budget is absolutely critical for New Zealand, but it's
also really critical for National in setting up for next
year's election. And I think the challenge that there's a
(05:57):
couple of challenges here that all New Zealand voters are
seeing at the moment is not the kind of political
theater we expect in Parliament, but it's actually a circus.
And the problem for Labor here is, you know, they
have such a thin grasp on economic credibility, which was
really ripped away from them again last week with the
(06:19):
Greens alternative budget. If they side too much with to
Party Maori going down this track of a filibuster, that
makes it harder for them to look credible with that big,
soft middle of center voters that they try. They're in
a tussle with National with so it's difficult for both
of those major parties to navigate this. But I imagine
(06:40):
if I were Nikola Willis this week, I would be
absolutely apoplectic that my clean run into the budget has
been interrupted. And you only need to look at the
post cabinet press today where the majority of the questions
to the Prime Minister and Nikola were actually on this topic,
which is not what they want to be talking.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Right, there is your proof that this is stealing the limelight.
Oh my gosh, Okay, anyway, Josie, Gary Lineker, is he
an example of why all right thinking adults should take
themselves off social media immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I used to love Gary Lineker. I grew up in England,
you know, I left New Zealand, grew up in England
and he was such a hero, like playing for England.
He played for Tottenham, Everton Lester and he was this
sort of you know, glamorous footballer. He's just a complete
twat now, I don't. He keeps saying these things, so
the problem is he's got form with this, right, keep
(07:34):
saying these political things that just wind people up. You know.
One was that the BBC should play this documentary on Gaza,
which turned out the young kid who was a hero
and it was actually the son of a Hamas minister
in the government, so and no one knew that at
the time. So it wasn't just a sort of you know,
innocent Gaza Gary just shut up. I know, and I
(07:57):
don't know. He must know what he's doing because he's
got But the real issue here is not nothing to
do with freedom of speech. This is to do with
a contractual agreement that he because he's done it before,
he had a contractual agreement with BBC that he wouldn't
do this again. He wouldn't make political comments that made
him basically, you know, unappealing to one side or the other.
He's now broken that contract again. So it's really about
(08:20):
employment law. But yeah, GASA used to be such cool do.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, life lesson in this trash, isn't it. Get off
social media?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Absolutely, get off social media. And I'll tell you the
other very high value piece of reputation advice that I'm
happy to give out for free. Okay, showing you around this.
It's not only what you are posting that gives you away.
It's the time stamp on your posts.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So the old ten past eleven at night, we know
you've been all or the two am you know, anything
past ten o'clock at night. I'd go earlier, Trish, Well,
nine p thirty is enough time to get boothed.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I think I personally would go with our of our
if it's a professional post, keep it between you know,
nine and five or nine and seven, anything after that.
When I see a time stamp anywhere after ten pm,
I think, oh.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That's just what I say to my kids. Actually, is that,
you know, kids, nothing good happens after midnight. Bring when
they're going out and.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Bring it forward. Yeah, bring it forward.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I think I've got to be realistic though, Heather, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well on the social media is nothing good happens after
nine guys, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's Tris Sherson and Joseph Gany.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
On the huddle this evening, Trisharson, Sheerson, Willows PR Joe Speghany,
CEO Child Fund, Hello you guys, Hello, hello Trisha.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're in Aucklander and you live in a here is
Grayland a heritage erry.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Oh absolutely?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What do you think then?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I personally think that that style of aluminum window is
a crime against all that is is good.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's so hideous, isn't.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It absolutely hideous? Having said that, I do think this
is a great example of why Auckland Council's costs are
completely out of control. And did you see the photos
that council had taken of this. I mean, imagine the
cost of that little snapper going out and photographing these
open windows.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You know from you I have to sort of lay
in waiting for the window to open.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You absolutely would, And I do think there is There's
two things here, and often these council debates come down
to this. One is it is realistic for these homeowners
to go with the most cost effective option, even though
I thank you for your insight into parallel importing the
wooden sashes. But the second thing is also that it
(01:08):
takes away, in my view, from an owner's right rights
around their own property. This is really nitpicking stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What do you think, Josey?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, I mean this is typical of the heritage groups
right where they feel like they can impose their own
values on everybody else. So I get it that they
want to keep their own houses heritage, you know, perfect
as it was one hundred years ago. But not everybody
wants to do that. And I do think we've got
a tendency in New Zealand to think that every blemon
(01:41):
wooden barn is somehow heritage because we lack really old buildings.
So you know, I mean even in Paris, you know
the loof which is this beautiful heritage building, they can
build a massive, big modern glass pyramid modernized.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Can't you use a better example? That looks ugly.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But the point is it's like saying there will be
no innovation. I get that the aluminium windows, you don't
like the look of them, But honestly, they've got no
right to tell everybody else that they have to keep
their home exactly as it was with aga burning, you know,
ovens and god knows what else a hundred years ago.
But the other thing I want to say about this
is that this is typical of policy, right, And I
(02:22):
know that the government is wanting to sort of roll
back some of these regulations. But as a society, we
have to decide we've got a housing crisis. We don't
have enough houses. It's as simple as that. And that
means there are tradeoffs. And one of the trade offs
might be that not every house in Mountain gets to
be caught a heritage house. And also that if you
already own a house, if we build more houses, the
(02:45):
value of your house might go down. The value of
my house might go down. There are trade offs, right,
So we have to solve one problem, not pretend that
we can solve multiple problems with this everything bagel approach
to housing.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, and here's what makes a nonsense of this. We
have our indies in a bunch over some aluminum windows
in a villa in Mount Eden. Meanwhile, New Zealand's most
historic building, which is the old custom House on the
waterfront in Russell, is being left to rot because neither
the New Zealand Police or Heritage New Zealand can get
(03:20):
their proverbial together to rescue that building.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So it is arguably more important.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh my goodness, So.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Just shows you one more. Here's just one more example,
talking about Paris. So in Paris, and I lived there
for nearly three years, so you cannot paint your balconies
any other color bit black. So yes, Paris buildings look beautiful.
But guess what, they have a hell of a lot
more riots than we do, because everybody who hasn't got
a home can't afford one in Paris in the city,
(03:46):
lives in the ban lure in the suburbs, and terrible
housing because you can't build it in Paris. I mean,
there are all sorts of implications for this fetishization of
an old villa that's actually only seventy years old and
isn't even that pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Thank you both.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
We'll take a break and come back to it, back
with the hard old Trisherson and Joseph Ganney. Josie, So,
do you think this debate about the punishment for the
Maori party, which is going to kick off tomorrow is
going to overshadow the budget?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, it could do, because as I understand it, if
they do filibuster, i e. They make this debate tomorrow
last until budget day, so I think they still pause
for budget Day. But what it would mean, I guess,
is that party Mari MPs because they wouldn't have had
a vote, They'll still be in Parliament for the budget.
(04:34):
So I think that's going to be the plan. I
think it's going to look terrible for Labor if they
do filibuster, because people just look at it and they go, well,
you know, I mean, the problem because it's so long,
and it is the longest sanction that we've had in
Parliament twenty one days or something. It's making it possible
for Party Mari, for the MPs to present themselves as victims.
(04:57):
So that's the only problem with having it. I think
having the length so extreme that they can get away
with that. So you know, I don't believe even if
they missed budget day that they would actually miss out
on their right to comment on the budget because you know,
we all know every I mean, media don't particularly cover
it in the house, so can I can stand outside
(05:17):
Parliament and say whatever they want to say about the
budget and it will be covered in the media. So
but I think that it's the length of the sanction
is allowing them to present themselves as victims, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's bloody awkward for Niccola though, isn't it tri because
surely she wants some clear air ahead of the budget.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, in my view, this will be worrying the government
because it looks like political management has run away from
them on what is the biggest set piece of the year.
This budget is absolutely critical for New Zealand, but it's
also really critical for National in setting up for next
year's election. And I think the challenge that there's a
(05:57):
couple of challenges here that all New Zealand voters are
seeing at the moment is not the kind of political
theater we expect in Parliament, but it's actually a circus.
And the problem for Labor here is, you know, they
have such a thin grasp on economic credibility, which was
really ripped away from them again last week with the
(06:19):
Greens alternative budget. If they side too much with to
Party Maori going down this track of a filibuster, that
makes it harder for them to look credible with that big,
soft middle of center voters that they try. They're in
a tussle with National with so it's difficult for both
of those major parties to navigate this. But I imagine
(06:40):
if I were Nikola Willis this week, I would be
absolutely apoplectic that my clean run into the budget has
been interrupted. And you only need to look at the
post cabinet press today where the majority of the questions
to the Prime Minister and Nikola were actually on this topic,
which is not what they want to be talking.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Right, there is your proof that this is stealing the limelight.
Oh my gosh, Okay, anyway, Josie, Gary Lineker, is he
an example of why all right thinking adults should take
themselves off social media immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I used to love Gary Lineker. I grew up in England,
you know, I left New Zealand, grew up in England
and he was such a hero, like playing for England.
He played for Tottenham, Everton Lester and he was this
sort of you know, glamorous footballer. He's just a complete
twat now, I don't. He keeps saying these things, so
the problem is he's got form with this, right, keep
(07:34):
saying these political things that just wind people up. You know.
One was that the BBC should play this documentary on Gaza,
which turned out the young kid who was a hero
and it was actually the son of a Hamas minister
in the government, so and no one knew that at
the time. So it wasn't just a sort of you know,
innocent Gaza Gary just shut up. I know, and I
(07:57):
don't know. He must know what he's doing because he's
got But the real issue here is not nothing to
do with freedom of speech. This is to do with
a contractual agreement that he because he's done it before,
he had a contractual agreement with BBC that he wouldn't
do this again. He wouldn't make political comments that made
him basically, you know, unappealing to one side or the other.
He's now broken that contract again. So it's really about
(08:20):
employment law. But yeah, GASA used to be such cool do.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, life lesson in this trash, isn't it. Get off
social media?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Absolutely, get off social media. And I'll tell you the
other very high value piece of reputation advice that I'm
happy to give out for free. Okay, showing you around this.
It's not only what you are posting that gives you away.
It's the time stamp on your posts.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So the old ten past eleven at night, we know
you've been all or the two am you know, anything
past ten o'clock at night. I'd go earlier, Trish, Well,
nine p thirty is enough time to get boothed.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I think I personally would go with our of our
if it's a professional post, keep it between you know,
nine and five or nine and seven, anything after that.
When I see a time stamp anywhere after ten pm,
I think, oh.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That's just what I say to my kids. Actually, is that,
you know, kids, nothing good happens after midnight. Bring when
they're going out and.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Bring it forward. Yeah, bring it forward.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I think I've got to be realistic though, Heather, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well on the social media is nothing good happens after
nine guys, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's Tris Sherson and Joseph Gany.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Popular Podcasts
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com