March 17, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Mark Sainsbury and Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi's under fire over re-sharing a social media post evoking David Seymour as needing trimming like a lawn. What do we make of this?
Wellington Airbnb owners are outraged over the council's plan to hike up their rates. Do we support this change?
More and more people are deciding against travelling to the US because of the Trump administration. Would we skip a holiday in the US because of the president?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Find You're.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
One of a kind on the heart of tonight. Tim
Wilson from the Maximum Institute, Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Tim, Hey Ryan, how's it going? Yeah? Good? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Mark Sainsbury's here broadcaster in Wellington. Hey Mark, how you Ryan?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Look?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I've got a lot of respect for David Seymour, but
I just find it a little exasperating when you're going
tip for tat on something so stupid.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Tim, What do you think? Yeah? I can you know?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I was actually reflecting as you did your editorial. There
is sort of like a bit of a dysfunctional relationship
between Tapati Marii and act. You sort of wonder who
needs the other more I do. I do take David's
point though, that it was quite it was personal, and
if something did happen to David Seymour, I think we'd backtrack.
The one thing that I want to land on here
is that I noticed that rawoo wait tetti in his
(00:51):
Instagram story he used an adjective beginning with F that
was misspelled, and I have to say this is probably
why many charter schools, because people just aren't spelling the properly.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think it was just spelt on purpose, wasn't it. Mark?
What about you? What do you reckon earth to Mark?
Are you there? Mark? You've muted yourself with your chisel
cheek bones. It always helps there, you go.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, he's canceled.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He's canceled himself.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
No, my big problems. I've got a bony ear, which
sort of listen. When I first looked at this, I
must say I did sort of think, look, if someone
else had said this or suggested that, people would be
up in arms. But I was really interested in your editorial,
same as Tim, because it did sort of clarify the thinking.
I mean, you look at it and you go, oh, look,
for God's sake, you know they're talking about giving the
grass a hiding like Stevid Seymour, and we know that
(01:47):
they don't mean that. I mean, boy boy, instead of
everyone's sort of so trigger happy on anything. You can't
say a thing without it being so Look, I think, yeah,
I think there's a bit of sort of give and take.
Was it was it the smartest thing to do? No? No,
not necessarily, but yeah, I just think we're getting all
sort of wound up over something.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I can understand why.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I can understand why though, because David Seymour is always
the target, right, So when he says something, their immediate
response is of David Seymour's a racist. Now, I imagine
that after a while that must get incredibly frustrating. You'd
start to feel down about it, and after a while
you probably do lose a bit of your sense of
humor too, and everything becomes quite reactive, you know, tim.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, And that's look, that'st the danger with the whole
extremity and polarized. That's why polarization sort of mode that
we're in. And unfortunately MMP does tend to reward that,
particularly for you know, plus five percent parties. The way
I'm going to look at this is it's just two
blokes who don't know how to show affection.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Showing affection, you should.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You could form a little support group of them.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Maybe me and right will do it. There's a lot
of love.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
And support for David seyma on the text machine. David
is absolutely right, Ryan, he is absolutely spot on as always,
so a lot of people backing him and supporting him,
which is good, good for him.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I suppose the huddle.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
With New Zealand Southeby's International realty, the ones with local
and global reach.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Tim Wilson and Mark Sansbury on the Huddle tonight. Mark,
You're soon going to be the mayor of Wellington, so
you can decide on this. You can decide for us
about the Airbnb debarcle. This woman who might have to
pay commercial rates on an Airbnb at home, what do
you say, Oh, look.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's just nuts. I mean you look, it's going to
go to the You know that they are going to
have a look of this, and that's one of the
options that people pay full commercial rates. But you know,
the rates the city, it just crazy. I had some
sympathy listening to your guest on before is at Julie
because our rates went up I think, you know, like
from about six to nine grand, and then they dropped
(03:56):
the value of our properties by twenty percent. There's a
lot of people that have to look at sort of
spreading it out. And the thing I don't get is
if I buy a house and then rent it out,
you know, to a bunch of students or whatever, is
that a commercial enterprise. I'm not paying commercial rates on that.
If I have someone, you know, if I get in
a flatmate or a border you're not paying commercial rates.
(04:17):
But if you're doing you know, one of your rooms
for and that's where it's silly. If you're only doing
a couple of rooms for Airbnb, you're just doing it occasionally.
It just makes them do an absolute nonsense. So a
lot of sympathy, a lot, a lot of sympathy for
Emma Reid she did if you saw the video, she
did a fantastic video to the council with lots of
props I think, which is always useful.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I saw that because you make a good point
about renters. This is this just REGs because there's not extra,
any extra drain on resources for the council. This is
just they need some more money, tim, So they're going
into fishing.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, it seems like that. And you sort of think
with the with Airbnb. I mean, if it's if it's
a commercial I understand commercial building, Oh okay, so they
use the toilet a lot more, use the shower a
lot more, whatever it is the infrastructure. But airbnbs aren't
always occupied, so it seems manifestly unfair to increase, you know,
increase the rates by four times because you're operating in
(05:15):
AIRB and B. So you know, and look at if
it's a business. If you do a home office, you
get a tax rebate. You say, oh, this is a
business area, and the tax goes back. So it just
seems upside down.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
See, there's big problems Ryan Sane Queenstown where a lot
of people converted their places to AIRB and b's and
it cut out the available rentals for people working there
and all that sort of cause major issues. And you
can sort of see them having to have a look
at that this is this is this is a different scenario.
It's not the same sort of numbers in Wellington or
same proportion of properties converting to AIRB and bs. So, yeah,
(05:48):
it does look like that they're desperate for Doe and
they're gonna they're going to screw it out of anyone
they can find there.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You go vote vote for Saints O run.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's going to say, can you please confirm that that'll
be item number one on your campaign. Hey, people are
deciding against going on holiday in the United States because
of Donald Trump. Apparently Apparently people saying they'll leave the
country because you know, in terms of emigrate because they
(06:20):
are sick of them. But would you avoid going on
a holiday.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
If anything, that would make things more interesting. I would
have thought, tim.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, well exactly. And if they're going because they think
Trump's unaccepted, or where are they going to go? I mean,
I hear Russia's nice at this time of year, the
Kimchi and North Korea is quite good. And they're saying
they're saying, actually that the Chinese visitors is down. So wait,
so they're coming from a country that has concentration camps
for wigas and they're assuing America because of Donald Trump.
(06:48):
Oh boy, go and check your compass.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, the Germans have got a bit of a different
view in it because there's a couple of German terrorists
were detained after trying to enter the United States legally
and there were chain detained for weeks and it's caused
a big stink in Europe. So and a lot of
Germans now reconsidering what to do. Would it stop me
from going on holiday and doing something in the starf
(07:13):
I mean, I love going to the States. I think
the States so it's a bit like India. You know,
you're going to go to a different state every time,
just like visiting a different country. But look, they had this.
When George w got in, there were people saying, you know,
in the States, same to the thing, we're going to
leave here, We're not going to come back for four years,
and all that sort of stuff never happened, never happened
like everyone sort of thought was going to. And I
(07:34):
think it's just although the numbers are seen to be
showing that people are that are crying off going there,
but mainly from people who feel as though they could
be targeted. And with this whole sort of immigration sweeps,
like these poor old German tourists, you wouldn't want to
get caught up in it. But that stopped me.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
No, no e, since you were the US correspond In fact,
were both of you US correspondents?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
No I was the europe one.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Ah, that's right. It's an interesting was thinking about the
United States. Why don't they just not be the United States?
They get so divided, Tim, you'll be better on this.
They get so divided, why not just break up? I mean,
for goodness sake, misery.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
There is actually a guy called political thinker called Samuel
Huntington that says that this is the way that America
stops political decay. The sort of there's a productive friction
in this disunity, and you know the toll, you know,
all the polarization is terrible. I don't know if Americans
always think it's a terrible thing. I think they've got
(08:34):
a different disposition to us down here in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's interesting because by now, I mean if they were,
if they were a married couple, it'd be that bad
for the children that someone would be asking for a divorce,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
No nonsense, but have eighteen children? Friction producers love Brian.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh God, Tim, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Timson with the Maximan Institute in Mark Sainsbury broadcast out
of Wellington for us.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Find You're.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
One of a kind on the heart of tonight. Tim
Wilson from the Maximum Institute, Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Tim, Hey Ryan, how's it going? Yeah? Good? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Mark Sainsbury's here broadcaster in Wellington. Hey Mark, how you Ryan?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Look?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I've got a lot of respect for David Seymour, but
I just find it a little exasperating when you're going
tip for tat on something so stupid.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Tim, What do you think? Yeah? I can you know?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I was actually reflecting as you did your editorial. There
is sort of like a bit of a dysfunctional relationship
between Tapati Marii and act. You sort of wonder who
needs the other more I do. I do take David's
point though, that it was quite it was personal, and
if something did happen to David Seymour, I think we'd backtrack.
The one thing that I want to land on here
is that I noticed that rawoo wait tetti in his
(00:51):
Instagram story he used an adjective beginning with F that
was misspelled, and I have to say this is probably
why many charter schools, because people just aren't spelling the properly.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think it was just spelt on purpose, wasn't it. Mark?
What about you? What do you reckon earth to Mark?
Are you there? Mark? You've muted yourself with your chisel
cheek bones. It always helps there, you go.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, he's canceled.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He's canceled himself.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
No, my big problems. I've got a bony ear, which
sort of listen. When I first looked at this, I
must say I did sort of think, look, if someone
else had said this or suggested that, people would be
up in arms. But I was really interested in your editorial,
same as Tim, because it did sort of clarify the thinking.
I mean, you look at it and you go, oh, look,
for God's sake, you know they're talking about giving the
grass a hiding like Stevid Seymour, and we know that
(01:47):
they don't mean that. I mean, boy boy, instead of
everyone's sort of so trigger happy on anything. You can't
say a thing without it being so Look, I think, yeah,
I think there's a bit of sort of give and take.
Was it was it the smartest thing to do? No? No,
not necessarily, but yeah, I just think we're getting all
sort of wound up over something.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I can understand why.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I can understand why though, because David Seymour is always
the target, right, So when he says something, their immediate
response is of David Seymour's a racist. Now, I imagine
that after a while that must get incredibly frustrating. You'd
start to feel down about it, and after a while
you probably do lose a bit of your sense of
humor too, and everything becomes quite reactive, you know, tim.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, And that's look, that'st the danger with the whole
extremity and polarized. That's why polarization sort of mode that
we're in. And unfortunately MMP does tend to reward that,
particularly for you know, plus five percent parties. The way
I'm going to look at this is it's just two
blokes who don't know how to show affection.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Showing affection, you should.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You could form a little support group of them.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Maybe me and right will do it. There's a lot
of love.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
And support for David seyma on the text machine. David
is absolutely right, Ryan, he is absolutely spot on as always,
so a lot of people backing him and supporting him,
which is good, good for him.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I suppose the huddle.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
With New Zealand Southeby's International realty, the ones with local
and global reach.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Tim Wilson and Mark Sansbury on the Huddle tonight. Mark,
You're soon going to be the mayor of Wellington, so
you can decide on this. You can decide for us
about the Airbnb debarcle. This woman who might have to
pay commercial rates on an Airbnb at home, what do
you say, Oh, look.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's just nuts. I mean you look, it's going to
go to the You know that they are going to
have a look of this, and that's one of the
options that people pay full commercial rates. But you know,
the rates the city, it just crazy. I had some
sympathy listening to your guest on before is at Julie
because our rates went up I think, you know, like
from about six to nine grand, and then they dropped
(03:56):
the value of our properties by twenty percent. There's a
lot of people that have to look at sort of
spreading it out. And the thing I don't get is
if I buy a house and then rent it out,
you know, to a bunch of students or whatever, is
that a commercial enterprise. I'm not paying commercial rates on that.
If I have someone, you know, if I get in
a flatmate or a border you're not paying commercial rates.
(04:17):
But if you're doing you know, one of your rooms
for and that's where it's silly. If you're only doing
a couple of rooms for Airbnb, you're just doing it occasionally.
It just makes them do an absolute nonsense. So a
lot of sympathy, a lot, a lot of sympathy for
Emma Reid she did if you saw the video, she
did a fantastic video to the council with lots of
props I think, which is always useful.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I saw that because you make a good point
about renters. This is this just REGs because there's not extra,
any extra drain on resources for the council. This is
just they need some more money, tim, So they're going
into fishing.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, it seems like that. And you sort of think
with the with Airbnb. I mean, if it's if it's
a commercial I understand commercial building, Oh okay, so they
use the toilet a lot more, use the shower a
lot more, whatever it is the infrastructure. But airbnbs aren't
always occupied, so it seems manifestly unfair to increase, you know,
increase the rates by four times because you're operating in
(05:15):
AIRB and B. So you know, and look at if
it's a business. If you do a home office, you
get a tax rebate. You say, oh, this is a
business area, and the tax goes back. So it just
seems upside down.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
See, there's big problems Ryan Sane Queenstown where a lot
of people converted their places to AIRB and b's and
it cut out the available rentals for people working there
and all that sort of cause major issues. And you
can sort of see them having to have a look
at that this is this is this is a different scenario.
It's not the same sort of numbers in Wellington or
same proportion of properties converting to AIRB and bs. So, yeah,
(05:48):
it does look like that they're desperate for Doe and
they're gonna they're going to screw it out of anyone
they can find there.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You go vote vote for Saints O run.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's going to say, can you please confirm that that'll
be item number one on your campaign. Hey, people are
deciding against going on holiday in the United States because
of Donald Trump. Apparently Apparently people saying they'll leave the
country because you know, in terms of emigrate because they
(06:20):
are sick of them. But would you avoid going on
a holiday.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
If anything, that would make things more interesting. I would
have thought, tim.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, well exactly. And if they're going because they think
Trump's unaccepted, or where are they going to go? I mean,
I hear Russia's nice at this time of year, the
Kimchi and North Korea is quite good. And they're saying
they're saying, actually that the Chinese visitors is down. So wait,
so they're coming from a country that has concentration camps
for wigas and they're assuing America because of Donald Trump.
(06:48):
Oh boy, go and check your compass.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, the Germans have got a bit of a different
view in it because there's a couple of German terrorists
were detained after trying to enter the United States legally
and there were chain detained for weeks and it's caused
a big stink in Europe. So and a lot of
Germans now reconsidering what to do. Would it stop me
from going on holiday and doing something in the starf
(07:13):
I mean, I love going to the States. I think
the States so it's a bit like India. You know,
you're going to go to a different state every time,
just like visiting a different country. But look, they had this.
When George w got in, there were people saying, you know,
in the States, same to the thing, we're going to
leave here, We're not going to come back for four years,
and all that sort of stuff never happened, never happened
like everyone sort of thought was going to. And I
(07:34):
think it's just although the numbers are seen to be
showing that people are that are crying off going there,
but mainly from people who feel as though they could
be targeted. And with this whole sort of immigration sweeps,
like these poor old German tourists, you wouldn't want to
get caught up in it. But that stopped me.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
No, no e, since you were the US correspond In fact,
were both of you US correspondents?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
No I was the europe one.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Ah, that's right. It's an interesting was thinking about the
United States. Why don't they just not be the United States?
They get so divided, Tim, you'll be better on this.
They get so divided, why not just break up? I mean,
for goodness sake, misery.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
There is actually a guy called political thinker called Samuel
Huntington that says that this is the way that America
stops political decay. The sort of there's a productive friction
in this disunity, and you know the toll, you know,
all the polarization is terrible. I don't know if Americans
always think it's a terrible thing. I think they've got
(08:34):
a different disposition to us down here in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's interesting because by now, I mean if they were,
if they were a married couple, it'd be that bad
for the children that someone would be asking for a divorce,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
No nonsense, but have eighteen children? Friction producers love Brian.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh God, Tim, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Timson with the Maximan Institute in Mark Sainsbury broadcast out
of Wellington for us.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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