A passing phase like The Beatles (10 July 2025)

40 years on from the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour, Marcus asks callers to tell him their stories from that fateful night. July 10 is also the day we changed to decimal currency, not an easy switch according to some callers!

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Speaker 3 (00:57):
Sir, greetings and welcome to seven past eight. My name
is Marcus. I'll be with you till twelve o'clock tonight.
I'll be with you ostensibly for the rist of the day,
which is the tenth of July. Obviously you will have
heard too, it's the fortith anniversary of the sinking of
the Rainbow Warrior. And I wouldn't mind spending some time
talking about only because it was so interesting. Because what

(01:18):
happened with the sinking of the Rainbow You'll know this.
You'll know this because it was such a big story.
But what was extraordin about the sinking of the Rainbow
Warrior is that the French bombers. I don't fully know
the details, but it does get hazy over time. But

(01:39):
the French bombers, there was two groups. I think there
were the French bombers that came in on the yacht
and to the partying and the harbor on the yacht
the ejuveer, I think that's right, and they came down
and bombed the ship. Then there was another couple that
were a cleanup couple that were the couple and they
were in a campavan. But what happened is it was
like neighborhood watch on a grand scale. People knew everywhere

(01:59):
they were the whole time. So once the police tried
to investigate, the reports were extraordinary. So, yeah, that might
have been a bit of your story. Might have heard
some involvement with them forty years ago because everyone knew
someone was one of those kind of stories that captured
the gap and they came down, they bombed it, and
then they left and then there was a I forget
how they left, but there was also the couple of

(02:21):
the camera van and they got apprehended. Then there was
a deal done with Longy. They got sent to an atoll,
or they got sent to a president of the South
Pacific and they got released or something like that. There's
much bad feeling. It's funny now that we respond and
think of the French with French with such kindness, because
for twenty thirty years there there was absolute fury amongst people,

(02:42):
and ultimately, not short after they stopped the testing, which
was not before time, although I left a remarkably sad
legacy on some of those islands where they're tested with
contamination and leakage and concrete seals over bomb sites that
aren't quite working. So yeah, certainly, I don't think anyone

(03:04):
would be these days, would be opposed to green pieces
campaign to get out there and stop them. I think
no one in New Zealand, one of the people testing
in the South Pacific. And it's funny that it was
all about nukes because forty years on, the great concern
now is that all sorts of countries are now on

(03:27):
the cusp of getting nuclear warheads because the world's becoming
more and more complicated and the nuclear non proliferation no
longer seems to be a thing, and people seem to
be covidly regearing up to I don't even know what

(03:47):
they're getting ready for to have some sort of nuclear deterrent,
which is kind of crazy and kind of sobering, especially
with the fact that you know what scares me is
not so much some crazy dictator sending one off, but
one happening accidentally, and then reprisals, and before you know,
there'll be all sorts of nukes going off and the

(04:07):
world will no longer exist. I don't want to be pessimistic,
but yes, for a while there was looking. In fact,
it's interesting enough reading today the only country that's oh,
there's no, that's not quite right. There's been several of
the ex Russian countries or the ex Soviet countries that
had nukes and no longer had them. But the only
country really that and I didn't realize it's the only
country really that its successfully got rid or deukeaphied, which

(04:32):
I never really realized or I'd forgotten, was South Africa
and they had nuclear capability and they decided that they
didn't want that and managed to scale that back, which
is kind of extraordinary. So that's it anyway, But that's
that's my rave, and my rave to sum up is that, yes,
it was a an exciting time when New Zealand was

(04:57):
there at the forefront of persuading the world to get
rid of nuclear warheads. But now it seems as though
the world is rearming. I think think they talk about
South Korea, they talk about Japan, they talk about maybe
even Taiwan, all probably within the next ten years maybe
deciding that that's something they need as tensions gear up,

(05:22):
and they might do it covidly. They might do it
in the open, but anyway, they might do it with
the well, you know, it's always complicated. There might be
other superpowers that agree to help them, but do it
on the down low. So anyway, but tonight, I want
to talk about the Rainbow Warrior itself, and your experience
is a reminiscence of that forty years ago. It was

(05:44):
a ship that was more down one of the Yeah,
and I think that I remember probably ten years ago
we did a show that was quite similar and the
eyewitness accounts were kind of extraordinary, including one of the
policemen that was on the watch that went down was
one of the was the first on site after they
heard the explosion, went down there to see the ship
because no one knew what was going on. There's more
information out today that the from the spies that did it,

(06:09):
spies if you called it, and what you call it,
terrorists that did it, that they didn't have much time
to prep for it. Front only decided to execute the
plan in March and they kind of well, that's what
they say now, was they kind of got the explosion wrong.
They didn't expect the boat to sink so dramatically and quickly,

(06:30):
and obviously they say they didn't expect the person to die.
That's what happens when you go around bombing other people's ships,
doesn't it. Bad things happen. So you might want to
talk about that or your memories of that, would like
to hear from you and stooding past ten ubers, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine two nine
two to text. I imagine most of you of that

(06:50):
age forty five fifty and over will remember where we
were in those things when it happened. And yeah, it
was it was some days afterwards before they put together
what was going on. But there are many sightings of
the people in the One are those boats called the
Zodiac that came across from the north Shore, went across,
did the bombing, then went across to Kelly Talton and

(07:10):
went into Hobson Bay where they was spotted swapping boats
and things like that. So people saw them the whole way.
So you've got something to say about that. Eight hundred
and eighty to eighty nine two nine to the text.
I take your text also, but it's a pretty important
topic I think to talk about. But also too, it's
kind of an extraordinary topic because the New Zealand Society
did incredibly well to solve it and apprehend them. Marcus.

(07:33):
After the furrozers of talking about schnitzel a week ago,
I went down to Reubens and Unit and bought beef,
chicken and pork schnitzel, all crowned ready to put in
the pen, and the favorite of the pork. Amazing. Thank
you to you and your callers, Marcus. Another anniversary is
tenth of July back in sixty seven, to be fifty
eight years ago, decimal currency started, Marcus Watts. With all

(07:55):
the helicopters flying over in v cargo over the last hour,
I've got no idea. I didn't see them. Filone's got
the information about that. Let me know. I thought everyone
about the Sharks game, the South and Sharks doing well
over the ak to Atara sixty five point fifty. This
is Southern death for the finals and just three minutes
left in the third quarter. This is a good result

(08:15):
for them, although they are above them on the table,
but gosh, this is a team that could go all
the way Southland Sharks. I've got a good mind to
go to the semi anyway. Looking forward to your course
tonight fourteen past eight, we are talking the Rainbow Warrior
and when we get going, this would be a good topic. Actually,
just need your first callers to start going, so get
in touch. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine two

(08:35):
nine two. There is a podcast that's come out about
with some of the perpetrators that I've been interviewed in
this particular podcast talking about why they did it and
their preparation and what went wrong with that. So yes,
I think you can all remember the pictures of the
two of them and the docks, can't you, The two
that were the supposed couple that were in the camp

(08:57):
of Van and I'm not entirely sure what what their
role was. I'll refresh myself throughout the course of the
night night actually about they must have been the backup party,
I think, or the preparatory party. But yeah, but if
you want a comment on there they thought we are
talking about tonight, as I say, oh, eight hundred eighty

(09:17):
ten eighty and nine to nine to text For those
that don't know the background. It was all about the
French testing nuclear warheads in the Pacific Mirror at Attol
was one of the places, and obviously texting and testing
them successfully, they didn't manage to get nukullar capability. But yes, anyway,

(09:44):
get in touch if you want to talk. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten. I think there must have been five
people that were in New Zealand at the time. Some
came on the yacht the UVUEA, and I think they
went away on that yacht but were arrested at Norfolk Island,
but they failed to manage to keep them arrested. Anyway,

(10:07):
that's what we were about tonight. If you didn't want
to get in touch, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten.
And it seems as though now that we actually see
the French is quite good, as we have fairly good
rations with the French, which only seems to be with
the respect of how will they play rugby now? But yeah,
it's changed a great deal.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
They did pay reparations. The French should raise reparations to
Greenpeace eight million dollars. So yes, But anyway, they taught
me about talking about tonight eight hundred eighty ten eighty
and nine two nine to the text. If you want
to come through, I keep those texts coming through. Also, Marcus,

(10:51):
the bombers, we're soldiers under the orders. They came via summarine,
I don't think they did. They came by yacht. I
don't think summarines had any involvement unless you've got some
more information. Anyway, it's take a break and hopefully we'll
talk to you about the seventeen past eight. Someone also
said this day is that in nineteen sixty seven, with
the start of decimal currency. I don't imagine many would

(11:13):
many would remember that. Well, actually they do remember that,
I think because they had the training kids at school,
and I think people are involved in the banking, of
rolling around the secret money or something like that. So, yes,
if you want to be involved with the discussion, as
I say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine
two nine to two de text, you can email me. Also,
I'll keep you updated with news throughout the next four hours. Also,

(11:35):
that's part of my brief. If you've got news updates,
do let me know what you've got. Also, um yes,
get in touch. By the way, there's the state of
emergency declared for the Tasman region. But that doesn't mean
it's raining that is preemptive. So that's the situation there.

(11:57):
They're just expecting really bad weather. But yeah, get in
touch if you want to talk. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and nine two ninety texts markets till twelve
o'clot Looking forward to your input tonight. But there's something
different you want to mention. Feel free to come through
on something else if that's what you want to holler
on about tonight. As I say, feel free to be
in touch. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine

(12:18):
two nine two texts some of the other stuff that's
happening around the world. By the way, Mikey's on at
twelve o'clock. Mikey Bebon. They'll be Wimbledon after midnight, they'll
be wimbled in tennis. It's pretty what I meant to say. So, yeah,
that's the situation there. Thirty thousand New Zealanders have gone

(12:39):
to Australia in a year. People voting, voting with their
feet to concern. You might be someone that's thinking they're
going to do that. I see the acting Prime Minister
or the deputy premises say it's because of COVID. Yeah,
I suspect that's probably not the real case. But anyway,
twenty three past eight o'clock, if you want to get involved,

(13:03):
and as I say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
keywis to Australia, which is kind of surprising because I
don't really imagine that Australia is a cheap place to
move to when the food and thing's fine, but actually
the price of housing, particularly in Sydney. Gee, sometimes wonder
how some of those NRL players afford a house, get

(13:25):
in touch Marcus to Midnight dB, good.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Evening, good evening. Decimal currency and who remembers it. I
still have a grudge against a shopkeeper when decimal currency
took over. What happened, So I would have been just
about six years old, that's ten six and I took

(13:48):
my new five cent piece up to the shop for
sixpence worth of lollies and I got five cents worth
of lollies and I was done out of one penny's
worth a lolly. And I'm still bitter about it to
this day.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
So what was the state that was made? The person
didn't what? Yeah, well, because there's twelve pennies.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
In a in a shilling, and the nearest to it
was the ten cent piece. You had a little bit
of rounding, so twelve one shilling became ten cents and
sixpence became five cents.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
I see, Can I just can I just say? Can
I just say? dB, It's amazing that initial old shillings
and pen system ever kicked off, because it sounds like
a terrible way to count money. It sounds like the
most complicated system.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
It had some advantages in as much as you can
cut twelve into six different it's as opposed to ten
journey can cut into two like.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I've always wanted to do that. But yeah, anyway, yes, yes.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
You know, for.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
If you want to trunk cat and stuff, you know
you can make twelve up with six, threes, fours or
two's anyway, was.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
It an balls or something?

Speaker 7 (15:15):
It was?

Speaker 5 (15:16):
And I'm actually I'm pretty sure it was milk bottles?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Okay it would have been.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
They were all white things and you got four for
a penny.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yes, well you didn't.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
So I didn't. I was. I was done in by four,
and I, like I said, I am bitter to this
day and I'd like to go and have it out
with that shopkeeper, except of course the shop is long
gone and shopkeeper should be well been.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
But I'll tell you what I was thinking about. A
thing that wasn't going to be NC bulls. You never
hear of black balls anymore. They were a big sweet
at the time, weren't they. You never see them they were,
They were bigger, right, they're huge. The only thing you'd
ever completely stopping completely disappeared. Black bulls.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah, god stoppers, Yeah all gone.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
The kids will want that sour stuff now. It's all
sort of soft sour things as are terrible.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
So that was my interaction with the change from you.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Don't you don't have a rainbow Warrior one. That's where
I wanted to kick off on. But I've got to
get the stories out of the.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
People for Auckland. I had the post as I came
to the I think I was floating around on the
woodam seagld at that stage.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Okay, nice to hear from you. We keep your calls
coming through. Marcus Kiwis are moving to Australia as his
in is no longer democratic. Does cargo ships cut on
the Red Sea shop on the ship's raid I don't
know Marcus and sixty seven many may remember as young
students becoming a dollar scholar. You've got a certificate for
not being for being able to demonstrate knowledge of what
the old money was now valued at. I remember the

(16:46):
Air Force transporting the French coupital on the Air Force
base after they were caught, and the marshals used French
bredsticks instead of the usual batons. Your memories of the
old Malachy around the Rainbow Warrior and decimal currency and
moving to New Zealand. Sorry, moving from New Zealand to Australia.
You might be doing it, your kids doing everyone's doing

(17:07):
it only because it seems as though Australia seems to
be more fun. Do you get that vibe? And we
used to be the lucky country. I think they might
be the lucky country now anyway, that's what we're right about.
Hit'll twelve by name is Marcus, Welcome, black balls available
and bulk at the banon. You don't know about the banon? Oh,

(17:33):
I don't know nothing good nor bad, but I just
don't know where it is. And I don't think we
have a binin anyway. Get in Touched by Name is
Marcus welcome hddle twelve. Sure we're away people, we are away.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty ooh text eighty

(17:54):
one sixty two of the sharks over the Tuatara. This
is the Auckland team. That's a good score. And that's
seven minutes left in the last quarter. Anyway, let's take
a break. Thanks for that. Twenty nine to nine even
it's Marcus welcome in.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Good evening, Yes, good evening. Yeah, we steamed past that
to go fishing that morning. Really.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Wow, the steam pasty steam past the Rainbow Warrior.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeah, as we're going out fishing from the rider.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Wow. And you could see it kind of half down
in the water.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, just a couple of masticking out. But yeah, very
sad sight. I see they had a DRNK garade this morning.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Who hit it?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
The new Rainbow Warrior?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Actually you went what?

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Sorry, I went across across the harbor of this morning.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Are you still fishing?

Speaker 8 (18:50):
No?

Speaker 9 (18:50):
No, I just had to.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
There's no shoes shop on Wahiki, so I had to
go get some shoes.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Really, can't you get them via can't you get them
via like mail order?

Speaker 4 (19:04):
I haven't got an address over there. Living on my
you know.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh wow, where do you manage to moorre when you
go into Auckland to buy shoes?

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I'm just moored across by the just across from west
can really.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh okay, and you got your shoes?

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, what number one shoe warehouse?

Speaker 10 (19:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Up by the warehouse part Scott? Have you an.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
You get a boat over there? That's you've got a
terrible phone line, Evan. Do you get a boat shoe
or what sort of shoe do you get?

Speaker 11 (19:42):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (19:43):
A couple of couple of different piers. Actually, I mind just.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Come all that way. You may as well buy a
few peers to ask you for a whiles gumboat to
be got on a boat, wouldn't they?

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's all the fishermen wear, those
freezing working gunboats.

Speaker 12 (19:58):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Oh, nice to hear from you. I appreciate that. Thank you.
There we go twenty seven away from not looking forward
to your calls about talking The Rainbow Warrior. Decimal currency
and movie to Australia will brought into the free topics
by imagine we'll hone it on the Rainbow Warrior. But
later on tonight your memories of that keep it going. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine nine two detext peregrinations.
That's the word I was looking for. I don't think

(20:20):
I've ever used that word properly. Peregrinations, have I got
that right? Pyregrinations? Along meandering journey? How many fish and
sea creatures you think died during the course of the
bomb testing because it went on for quite some time,

(20:41):
you never hear much about how the marine life suffered. Well,
I think probably the bombs were on land. I don't
imagine the contamination was in sea. I think the cat
contamination is probably happening now because I was supposed to
cap it with concrete, but it's leaked. Marcus. When the
Rainbow Warrior went down, I was just finishing my armament

(21:01):
fitter's case or cc at RNZAF based Hobsonville now closed
and in full housing. Graham Marcus. I remember back in
sixty seven or five cerent mixture was big. In a
ten second mixture was massive. And someone's to know where
the scuttle chip show up on radar. I don't think
that sho up on ship raid. I need your calls.

(21:22):
Eight hundred and eighty Toda eighty your memories of that,
and I think it was a weekend with the Rainbow Warrior.
I'm not convinced about that. I'm sure there's a website
I can. I'll google it up. What day? What day was,
ten July nineteen eighty five, Wednesday? There we go perfect

(21:49):
the in's it amazing, there's nothing you need to remember.
All work out, but looking forward to your call to
you're going to talk about this or anything else, as
I say, oh eight hundred and eighty today, if you've
got breaking news, let me know what that breaking news was.
Get in touched you on something like that? Been last
night too, wasn't there with the it all going on?
By the way, there is a stet of emergency in Tasman,

(22:11):
but that's a preemptive one that's before the event rather
than after the event. So I guess it just gives
them a chance to mobilize the things they need quicker
to mobilize. Eshley, it's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 13 (22:24):
Him uncles.

Speaker 12 (22:24):
So are you good?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Thanks? Eshley?

Speaker 10 (22:27):
Good?

Speaker 13 (22:28):
Yeah, I got a interesting story on the Rainbow Warrior.
I was doing my OE in my mid twenties and
I arrived in Paris on the eve of the Rainbow
Warriors sinking. I'd met an American guy about the same
age as me, and we traveled Europe quite a bit together,

(22:49):
and he got in quite late to Paris on the
eve and it was his twenty first birthday, I think,
and we've gone out and ahead of other night out
and woke up the next morning go over and we
were pretty close to the Notre Dame. We were staying
in a backpacker and it was quite a commotion outside.

(23:12):
I woke up and went out and a lot of
French people celebrating in the streets and what the hell's
going on here? And I said to the American free
what's going on?

Speaker 6 (23:25):
This is?

Speaker 13 (23:25):
I don't know. So we went for a bit.

Speaker 14 (23:27):
Of a walk.

Speaker 13 (23:30):
And we found a local newspaper stand, which fortunately had
some English newspapers there and things like that, and it'd
sort of all come to the front that the Rainbow
Warrior had being bombed and.

Speaker 14 (23:48):
So well keep me.

Speaker 13 (23:48):
Reaction was, yeah, I got pretty vented up inside and
the effense whilst Marcus is that French celebrated it pretty big.

Speaker 15 (24:00):
You know.

Speaker 13 (24:00):
It was probably a minor version of when Kennery we
used to win the Green filly shield down here, you know,
everybody would go up in the streets and celebrate the
winning of the Shildren. It was pretty much a similar thing,
and it's a memory that stuck with me ever since.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Wow, I didn't know that they would do that. I
didn't know that there was that there would be aware
that the French should dance straight away. So that's kind
of interesting for me.

Speaker 13 (24:27):
Yep, Well it's a sorry I've not I've never really
talked about much, but that was the true true essence
of it and.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Would have made for an interesting time in France, did it.

Speaker 16 (24:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, well you know, I sort of wanted to
tag everybody.

Speaker 17 (24:44):
On and yeah.

Speaker 13 (24:48):
So yeah, that was experience. And yeah, they you know,
I'm not saying that the whole of France did not.
It was a sort of a semi celebration. And my
American unity was studying political ships just came out and
see a dinermal America. This is naked, you know, making
and uh yeah, so that that was my experience. And

(25:13):
we left, I sort of, I think we left the
following day, you know, And and I was still trying
to get things together as to what had happened. But
The other thing I do remember was the you know,
obviously in the background in governments and everything, getting into
it and trying to solve what had happened and what
we're going to do. But I always remember when I
got I was back in England about four or five

(25:33):
days later, and the British press when after the French
and the French government. I remember that and did a
lot of digging as to where the command or the
decisions were made from. And the British press were really
fantastic for us. It was all over the news over there.
So that was my experience of the Rainbow Warrior, and

(25:55):
it's sort of stuck with me ever since.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
And you're still in touch with the American mately if
you lost trek to him in the in the.

Speaker 13 (26:03):
Fall unfortunately, no, no, Unfortunately a period of time I
lost a trait of him, you know, because he knew
how to be a political scientist, so you know, it
would have been really interested thoughts. Thoughts were after years,
But that was that was just my story. I thought
I'd been four for something else.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Everybody else, yeah, probably realized it actually transpires today and
some of the reports about the thinking of the Rainbow
worry that that there was a British sort of secret
service bomb squad gave them advice about bombing ships, which
I thought was poor. There's just come out now. But
so that the English were actually assisting the French to

(26:43):
bombship in New Zealand, which strikes me has been really weird.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well, you know these things sort of go on, don't
I suppose?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well, secrets, Hey, when you're under the secrets, you can
do anything. Nice to talk Actuley eighteen tonight. I'm looking
forward to your calls. We are talking the Rainbow Warrior.
We're also talking oh, decimal currency. It's this day in
sixty seven. People love that. And also people move to
Australia thirty thousand this year. What's that? That's what's thirty thousand?

(27:11):
That's like timidou is it? Marcus? I was in label
with my daughter when the Rainbow Warrior was bombed. Wow, Marcus,
I was a dollar scholar in sixty seven. Was the
only qualification I managed to pass at school. Must have
been a big deal that a lot of people remember
being a dollar scholar. Terrible bit of alliteration or rhyme

(27:32):
or whatever it is. Eighteen to nine Marcus till twelve.
What do you got looking for your calls here to
the head of the head on midnight. By the way,
the Sharks have won that matched a well done to them.
It's a big story. They're a team that lost five
and are at the beginning. They've come right now. They

(27:53):
could win this. They could go all the way. I
think they're up against. They've got to play Wellington or
christ Church. I can't. I don't know if they've decided yet.
I don't know if it's been announced yet. Someone will know. Anyway,
look looking forward to your calls tonight. People the Rainbow,
worry your memory? Oh yes, Sharks versus the Rams. That's

(28:14):
the c I might go to that. That's the christ
Church one. I think yeah. I'll bet Horncastle or something
will it. I'm sure we could manage. There'll be a
long drive anyway, seventeen away from nine. If you want
to talk, my name is Marcus. Welcome oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and nine nine To detect a
new state of emergency is declared in the Tasman region.

(28:36):
The rain comes Friday, So Friday morning you're up till
fifty one fifty of rain rest of the rain expected
around midday. Clear Gutthering seems to be just a sweet
spot that part of the country or all the bands

(28:58):
of rain are coming across and banging straight into them.
I'm not quite sure why that is. Anyway, I get
in touch. My name is Marcus one hundred and eighty eight.
Anyway to talk about the Rainbow Warrior. Get in touch
your memories of that night, or your memories of the
couple as they toured New Zealand, because everyone knew where

(29:20):
they were. There's all there was. There seemed to be
two or three groups. There was the yachtsmen, the bombers
in the Uveah, but there was also the couple in
the Campa Van. They were the one that were detained
and then got sent to an atole for a number
of years, but then feigned sickness and got sent back
to France. It's a very long story, wasn't it. It
was in the news forever during the long E government. Anyway,

(29:42):
from nine people welcome were to talk about the Rainbow
Warrior forty years ago today that that was bombed the
Greenpeace ship by a ship ship vessel bombed at the
down at the wharf in Auckland. But the surprising thing
was is the people that did the bombing, they sailed
into a harbor and the far North I think it

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was a partying and then a harbor, and no one
sails on there. Right from the very second they arrived,
people had their eyes on them and knew something was
afoot and something bad was going on. I mean, no
one knew before the event what they were doing, but
it all seemed very odd and suspicious. And then they
meandered their raid down the country and stayed in hotels

(30:23):
and things, and at most places people recognized them and
knew them because of their odd behavior. They don't think
they stayed in Cayo, was it. Then they stayed in Helensville,
and then they did the bombing in the Zodiac. Then
the yacht left. I don't know if they went back
up or where the yacht went from. But there's lots
of TV series and things made about it. But yeah,
you might want to talk about that. They's talk wrong
about tonight. Get in touch here till twelve. The number

(30:44):
is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine two
nine two detext there's something different you want to talk about. Also,
the people moving to Australia. Thirty thousand this year have gone,
so that's a bit of a and I think it's
it is a brain drain. And I think it's also
young people leaving and not coming back. They've thought, Okay,
this is not for us this country. Things must be

(31:08):
better elsewhere, and that's a concern because there are probably
the people that would make this country better. That'd be
my suspicion. So that's what's happening. And I don't think
it's an easy life for us. I think housing's very,
very expensive, but I guess you go there get the
high paying jobs. But I think there's some interesting reports

(31:29):
done on efficiency and infrastructure. Haven't got the report at hand,
but it seems as though, yeah, that things in Australia,
you know, and hour is spent is twice as efficient
because of the Internet, because of infrastructure things like that.
It's just geared up to be a much more efficient

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place to live. I'll download the report. Leaven Away from
nine Johnny, it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Oh good Macus. I was eleven when that happens, and
let's see, there was a bit of a feeling it's
golden that it was okay, to be angry, and there
was a lot of people in shop, our local pharmacist

(32:17):
here in Brookfield at the time. It's changed here since.
But his daughter had been volunteering on the Rainbow Warrior
and luckily had the shipped or unshipped herself, got off
the boat beforehand the night before. But yeah, she could
have been claimed as a victim.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
And Johnny, I think I think it's probably important to
say that probably, I mean, Greenpeace did not have universal love.
People I think probably saw them then as stir as
as well. I think it's only because they got bombed
that suddenly people were on their side. I think it
was probably terribly good pr for Greenpeace.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Yeah, a lot of parents, so I can imagine, would
have been disappointed if their kids run off to join Greenpeace,
just like when people ran off to join the Peace
Corps during Vietnam. Yes, but yeah, look back to the
punishment that Dominique Preira and their coffee and got. There

(33:15):
were often photos of them standing on the beaches of
Pacific Islands and speedos and just hanging out. And you know,
everyone was sort of offended about the light sentence, and
it was it was world news. But but here in
New Zealand. We did have some timeline documentaries, you know,
where they went through the whole thing, and you know,

(33:37):
and there was always this question of does the punishment
for the crime?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, I think what happened. What happened in the end
is the French threatened trade and bargos. They're going to
not buy any of our goods. So just like Trump
does these days, we had to kind of give into
them because there was going to be financial repercussions for us.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
There was also the generation that we're disgusted because the
French were our allies and we we spilled blood.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
You know, A very good point a lot of people.
Although you can kind of understand why they wanted the
bomb as well, can't you, after what happened to World
War One and World War Two for them? I guess
I guess probably, yeah, that was defining for them and
why they wanted it.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
But we look at the damage that the nuclear programs
have done in the Pacific, in the Central Pacific as well,
and there's those few. I think there's an documentary about
China and nuclear by an aging journalist from over and
Aussie and he did one on the Mirror Row one
at the time, I think for sixty minutes. Forgotten his
name now. But yeah, there's there's some really sad things

(34:42):
that have happened because they've sort of been left to
themselves really, and those people who were victims of all
that testing have really not They've been the hard done boy.
They have been compensated or looked after properly. It's a
wider issue.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
And you're eleven at the time, right, that's when you
remember it.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Yeah, but it was my sort of first like thing
of feeling strongly about something, a social issue, you know,
And yeah, it was. It was an interesting thing for
me as an eleven year old to have those you know,
bugger the French vetitude and then really realizing, you know,
it's not just the national feeling that's there's reasons behind it.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Interestingly, I think what is interesting too, I think three
hundred thousand people killed in Haroshima, and I think now
the bombs, the nuclear bombs they've got, I think are
now eight hundred times stronger. So that's the really terrifying
thing for me. I'm they could take out in New
York and they seem to be proliferating again, you could
have war heads. It's pretty concerning anyway, get in touch

(35:52):
Oha eight one hundred eighty ten eighty nine to nine
to to text Stuart's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 18 (35:58):
Oh does that make yes?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yes? Are you Stu?

Speaker 10 (36:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, high ste Marcus welcome, Oh Danks, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (36:07):
I just believe that somebody has already talked about it.
But yeah, July the tenth, nineteen sixty seven, on a Monday,
decimal currency, someone's already mentioned.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Apparently you're welcome to mention it as well. You've got
memories of that.

Speaker 19 (36:28):
Yeah, I was seven years old and I saved up
all my pounds, shillings and pence put them on the
bank because I thought they'd be worth a lot of
money later on, because they, you know, they'd run out
of them because I'm a coin collector and a stamp collector,
and bugger they got rid of them all and just

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gave me dicimal currency.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
What's amazing about this day is everyone seems to still
recall it, remember it like it was a real big Well,
I guess it was a big deal.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
It was.

Speaker 19 (37:04):
And I got my bracelet off today.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh you ankle bracelet?

Speaker 19 (37:09):
Yeah, how do you know? Well?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
What what what are the bracelet? Would you be getting
off what do they call it the what do they
call it? The Ruti hill roll? X?

Speaker 19 (37:25):
You're a funny burger?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Are you doing You're doing anything to you're doing anything
to celebrate?

Speaker 19 (37:34):
Yeah, I went to the Yaodi and uh, I had
a couple of beers down there. I wasn't driving, is it?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
What are you a recid of a string driver? Is
that what it was? Forced you?

Speaker 20 (37:46):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Well yeah, yeah, you haven't thought of giving up?

Speaker 17 (37:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:51):
No, okay, you obviously got You've obviously got a neck
for it. You keep doing it.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
Good on.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
You're four away from nine, looking forward to your calls.
Eight hundred eighty eight nine to the text. Yeah, three
hundred thousand killed in Harrish, the new Yuka will Head.
They're eighty times stronger than that, So there's no city
you couldn't take out. Isn't that terrifying? What terrifies me?
As I'll bang went off by mistake? Four away from nine?

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Johnet's Marcus, welcome, you know hi, Marcus.

Speaker 20 (38:22):
Tenth of July nineteen sixty seven or something, wasn't it.
I'm not sure of the year, but I remember standing
in a queue at the Oxford post office and the
woman in front of me was being served and she
said to the teller, this decimal currency business. She said,

(38:47):
it's just a passing phase like the Beatles. Really, that's
my memory of decimal currency day.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
How could it be a passing phase?

Speaker 20 (39:02):
Well, I don't know. She was, you know, and confused.
But no, what a terrible.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
What a terrible sort of currency it was?

Speaker 20 (39:16):
Uh no, well the oldest confusing.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, it's confusing for us trying to learn it retrospectively.

Speaker 20 (39:23):
Oh no, if you were brought up with us, it
was quite easy. Yes, it was sort of twelve, and
it was twenty and twenty one was a guinea and
all this nonsense. Anyway, Marcus, that's my two Bob's worth tonight.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Appreciate it. John, thanks so much for that. Hold your horses, guys.
I'll be with you after the news. What you got there, Dallas,
is that actually off the ship? Looks like Dallas might
have the bit of the ship that was actually exploded.
He sent me a picture of it, which is pretty extraordinary.
Sent me a bit more information if you could, Dallas.
Marcus as a young supervisor at James Hardy, steaking home

(40:04):
from Evandale to Co Madimer around midnight, I passed Marsden
Wolf along Tarmaki Drive, stopped and watched the action spot
of them platable and people looking a bit of that time,
and I went back to work. Thirty one thirty pm.
Cheirs Barry Marcus. I was sixteen working in a post
shop when currency changed. Many older people are quite angry

(40:25):
and struggled. They argued they were losing money, and I
suppose they were. They didn't like it in their change, Marcus,
just a warning there is a slip starting on the
southbound lane just before the Darga Will turn off on
State Highway One is at the bren Dorwins from twelve.
Good evening, George, welcome.

Speaker 17 (40:44):
Yeah, hi Marcus.

Speaker 15 (40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (40:46):
The Rhinbow Warrior is such a fascinating sign of so
many different facets to it. That grounding in the Paringa
ring Paringa Ringer Harbor up north. I imagine that they
were going their reasons for going, and there would have
been to offload the Olympic mines and the rub the

(41:07):
inflatable and stuff. That's what I'm thinking happened there.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, yeah, have you got your radio? Have you got
you're just your radio on?

Speaker 17 (41:17):
Oh hang on it's for TV, but it's I'm very quiet,
just moot. Yeah, I've watched a couple of documentaries on it.
Also had a friend that was a YACHTI and he
bumped into the yachtsman and the fonger Ay because they
came came down and stayed around in fonger Ay for
about two weeks while they they sort of before they

(41:40):
lie aised with the two agents that got prison Mafar
and Dominic. Yeah, but that last Quarnar was interesting. He
said that they when there's the perringa Ring, which is
it's actually not up North Cape, it's sort of at
the bottom of that long skinny strip which forms in
Old Beach. You know, you just don't go in there
in a yacht because it's very shallow and it's just

(42:01):
a whole lot of tidal creek, sort of like the
manneche of it worse, you know. And they must have
been because they weren't an experienced yachtsmen, but they must
have been just hadn't done it must that I will
go into there because it's pretty remote and offload the gear,
but they were. Their whole plan could have come unstuck
at that point if they'd got the yacht badly stuck,

(42:23):
but obviously they didn't. They must have realized over in
a channel and the tide was gone out, and they
must have I don't know, no yachty, but they probably
anchored it turn and stern and bow and stern and
just waded because the local policemen went out to see them,
and that's all in the various documentary actually, and he
thought they're a bit dodgy, but they must have managed
to convince him that they were just a bunch of

(42:44):
three middle aged sort of yachtsmen that were on a
bit of a middle aged type trip and they goofed up.
And because you know, if they'd got the yacht badly
stuck it they had to be salvaged. They would have
found they would have found the gear, you see, and
that would have the whole thing would have come unraveled
at that point. But they just got away with that.
And then they sailed down and I don't know whether

(43:05):
they cleared customs. You can only clear customs of either
Opa or fung Ada. But they stopped off at a
remote bay and they unloaded the gear and the previous
call I think I'm not I think he's a bit wrong.
The camper van didn't go up and get the gear
for about two weeks. So they came ashore and they
stashed it in the you know, the weeds and the

(43:26):
scrub on the side, sort of just down from the
road on this remote bay. And then they came up
in the camper van and clicked it a couple of
weeks later. Classic sort of smuggling type operation.

Speaker 8 (43:35):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
So then they brought the UVA didn't come down as
far as all, and they brought it to another harbor.
Today is that what they did.

Speaker 17 (43:41):
They went into and they stayed there for about two weeks,
and that that whole thing was a cider in itself
because they didn't exactly take a low profile.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
They know, I think they're bringing sort of women back
to their hotel room and stuff, weren't they That people
were reporting on it had quite a lively time.

Speaker 17 (43:58):
One of them had an affair with the wife of
a local policeman and that that was sort of a
care and all that. And then because the previous call
I mentioned that they after the Tampa van went up
and picked up the boat, and I suppose the scuba
gear and most importantly all the bombs Olympic mines. They
stopped off it excuse me, at the Topenny Forest, which

(44:19):
is about halfway between Auckland and sanger A And I
just forget why they stopped there, but but a forestry
crew happened to notice them and they were arguing, and
I suspect that it was Lane and Dominant were telling
the others off for being a bit too loose. Yeah,
because because he said they were in this argument in French,
and he thought, oh, it's a bit odd. And they

(44:39):
saw all these bags in the back of this because
there was that there was a station wagon which clearly
had the would have had the boat and stuff, and
it because they managed to look in through the back
windscreen when it took off, and in the camper van
and they sort of did this rendezvous there when I
can't remember they swapped the gear over from one them
have just decided to stop there, and half of Barney

(45:00):
and what have you. And anyway, this forestry worker wrote
down the number plate of one of the vehicles. But
I'm pretty sure he didn't write it on paper. He
just wrote it in the dust on the side of
his cab or something. It was about a week later
than it, but he thought, oh that was a bit,
so he went and it was still there. It was
still legible. So that was the thing that was that
number plate and the fact that, as the previous caller

(45:22):
mentioned that there was probably down to the criminals that
were stealing from the boats that the along Temicky Drive,
if they wouldn't have had night watchmen there, if they
hadn't have been going on. But they've got the number
plate of the of the Kempa Vet after they had
done the bombing.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, it was sort of. It sort of was neighborhood watch.
That's finest you theyn't did themselves proud. I don't know
if they did themselves proud, but there seemed to be
incredibly busy body to see that. I mean maybe not
many French people arrived in those days when we see
I mean nothing they could do was unnoticed.

Speaker 17 (45:51):
Yeah, well it was the thing that really sunk that
was the fact that they there was that watch thing
going on along the boat hard of the online history
vibe and there, yes the things are breaking. So they
got the number plate of the kemper Ven because there
was only about about thirty six hours later that the
police were kind of onto them that that people who
had taken that number plate said, hey, that was a

(46:12):
bit suspicious because the rain they worry the next day
was a huge thing and they must have thought, I
wonder if that's linked to it. So they sent it
into the police and the police, are you that sounds suspicious.
And then of course when they checked up with the
camp of Deen company, but they were already at the airport,
they nearly slipped away. It was it was all quite good.
But the other thing that it would be interesting on
a diplomatic level. You might recall that the three yachtsmen

(46:36):
they got away and they went to they were signed
back and they stopped at lord is it.

Speaker 10 (46:40):
Lord how Ireland?

Speaker 13 (46:41):
The one with yeah, Lord how and.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
They end up at New Maryor. I don't know about
Lord how Old am I know they went to New Mayor.
That's where they couldn't detain them.

Speaker 17 (46:52):
They they on the way back because they escaped New Zealand,
but they were anchored at Lord Howe Island, and we
sent some policemen up there to interview them, and they
didn't have enough evidence to arrest them, but they well
they didn't have email then, but they I think it
would have been fax machine. They faxed the Australian They
had to get some intimation from the Australian government and

(47:14):
they so they laid the Habeas Corpus came to only
able to hold them for twenty four hours. It didn't
have enough and they took swabs in that from the
yacht and when later on when they when they tested
those swabs in New Zealand, it tested for explosives and whatnot.
But I think the information that.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
They looked in the Australia Georgia it was Norfolk Island
and they sent a Yeah, they sent and eth was
and over up with the police to interview them. But
I think they escaped and they scuttled the ship.

Speaker 17 (47:41):
I think the yacht what does Habeas Corpus expired and
they couldn't hold of it when New Zealand police were
waiting for this crucial information and all the Australian police
had to do was was release it, and they had
that they had them. So I suspect that the Australian
government and the Australian Security Intelligence Service would have been
liaising with the French. And because it doesn't take that

(48:03):
all had to happen because it was because it was
Lord Norfolklin and strangers sick and they just had to
get the Australian police to contact the French government to
say to verify these guys' identities which were falses. They
would have been on false passports or whatnot. So it
doesn't take twenty four hours for that information to come
back Georgia.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
But I can't work out did they just drive their
station wagon back up to the yacht and Funga a harbor.
Is that how they got back up there? I guess
that is the situation.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (48:36):
See, there's a whole lot of things. I always thought
that that the bombers were the three guys on the yacht,
and recently I saw a more recent documentary that the
bombers were actually separate there. As you said, there were
three groups. They were there, and then the bombers I
think just came and flew in and as tourists because
they were still on the comfry for about two.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
And then they parted it. Then they partied in the
South Island, didn't they They went down there and sort
of spread themselves food in the South Island.

Speaker 17 (49:03):
They couldn't they couldn't fly up through the airport because
they would have been picked up, So they had this
sort of sort of you know, they probably paid in
on leaving within a few days, but they couldn't because
they would have been aware that Afar and Dominic had
been picked up. So they had to sort of hang
around and pretend to be terrorist and for the dust
to settle a bit, I suppose.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, but yeah, so many facets to be an interesting
sort of setup, but.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Also also poorly executed really because it would be it
would have been quite easy for them to have not
killed anyone, and quite easy really when you think about it,
with all those resources to have got away from it
if they'd made better decisions or had it they really
needed someone, They needed someone a ground crew to do
more research of harbors and stuff beforehand, didn't they.

Speaker 17 (49:49):
Yeah, the whole thing was put together quite quickly, you know.
I think if they dreamed it up in March and
then they probably didn't really get at the painting state
in the middle of April and then they had bombing
happened like today, so yeah, they needed a bit more info.
But it's an interesting scenario. Hypothetical would be what what
if they if they hadn't have killed anybody, but don't
sunk the boat, and they hadn't have made these goof

(50:10):
ups and they made a clean getaway. You know, would
we been able to pin it on the fridge?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I guess we probably wouldn't have.

Speaker 17 (50:19):
Was that because if if that one that I think
the critical thing was that might watch well it was
a group of might watch people watching the boats hadn't
noticed the Campa van and hadn't got that license plate.
That that was the unraveling of the whole shape for
them if they hadn't have seen that. I mean, really,
the odd thing is is that whoever was doing the

(50:40):
burglaries on the yachts down there at that time was
sort of instrumental and stilting the whole plan to be
unraveled on the part of the fridge.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
And that was the Okahu Bay Yacht Club, Wasn't it
in Hobson Bay there, wasn't it. That's where they went
because they couldn't get onto that. They couldn't get on
they went to Ky Talents. They couldn't get up there,
so they came into Hobson Bay there and that's where
they were spotted. Mind of course, George, or thisis is
before cell phones, which makes it slightly more complicated, doesn't it.

Speaker 17 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, and not many cameras around an it's or
not that he know surveillance captains.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yere nice to talk. Thanks so much, George, we are
talking Wayne. By way, hold your horses, Mike. I'll be
with you soon. It's sixty forty years rather since the Rainbow. Yeah,
this is what I want. I love people with all
this information. I love people's memories of it. Yes, scrapings
were taken in New Mayor from the hull scrapings taking
from the builders to check for explosives, and the detectives

(51:29):
found a map of Auckland with a ponts and Be
address written on it. This is when they found the
UVEA in New Meyor. But then I think it was
scuttled anyway, getting touch Heit till midnight tonight. The number
is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think they
also had people involved in green peace head insiders there.

(51:53):
Yeah apparently.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
So.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, it was a fairly sleazy kind of an operation,
wasn't it. Anyway? Get your called through eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and nine to nine to detect. I'll tell
you what to fver pull Wikipedia website for the Rainbow
ORRW there needs to have a lot more information dump
there because there's a lot of information and people are
fascinated by it because it's sort of defining for the
New Zealand psych Really, it's just a shame that kind

(52:17):
of the world didn't continue on that anti nuclear trajector
on there for a while. With disarmament and stuff. It's
sort of going the wrong way now, so that's a
concern also. Anyway, there's no lines free, but we will
get to you when we can and get in touch
if you want to talk. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 8 (52:33):
Knownice really interesting topic. My wife and I were teaching
at Tea Harpwa at the time that came into the harbor.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
What a gorgeous place that is.

Speaker 8 (52:44):
Oh I loved it had seven years. It was the
status time of my teaching. When we had to leave there.
But on the day that the boat arrived there was
a lot of illness in the community and we've closed
the school. I was sick, my wife was sick, our
four kids were sick. And these men and one of
them was Manague. I believe I think that is that

(53:06):
up to the house they had trouble getting into the
harbor and ran aground, almost ran the ground three or
four times, so they were trying to get information about
how to get back out of the harbor safely. Now,
a few years earlier, a boat called the busy Bee
got swamped by big waves coming in and two people

(53:27):
got drowned, so it's quite dangerous coming into the partying
of EU. Anyway, when these guys came up to the school,
and my wife spoke quite a bit of French, so
she was able to communicate with them, but we couldn't
really help them because you know, we weren't really familiar
with the harbor. A lot of the people were away

(53:49):
in town doing shopping that day, so that we didn't
have much involvement with them. But the police came and
interviewed us afterwards. They interviewed my wife and I separately,
and they asked amazing questions and drew information out from
us that we wouldn't have even thought about. So I

(54:09):
was just quite impressed by the police involvement.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
It's a It's a really good point because so often
investigations we always go about how the police completely failed it,
but it didn't seem as though they really were on
their a game with this one. They really did. They
really acted quickly and with great hunches.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
Yeah, definitely, definitely. We were impressed anyway, because I.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Have canoed on peringering a harbor and the guy was wrong.
It is right at the top of the Potinsua. That
guy was wrong. That corrected me about that. But it's
got an amazing white sand, has it? That headland with
an unbelievably white, squeaky sand, which is extraordinary. Do you
think they were in there by mistake?

Speaker 8 (54:47):
I thought they dropped something off over the far side
of the harbor, Okay, but I know the next day
the ranger, Heck Crane, went down to the boat and
interviewed them. I'm not sure what the outcome was that.
I've got a book called The Rainbow Warrior written by
the British Sunday Times. Yes, and that's quite detailed about

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what went on.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, I think I'll reread that again because because it
is a fascinating story. So, and what probably in the
history of time I've forgotten is that last guy pointed
out so the yachtsmen on the Uveiah they were not
the bombers. They were just the people that transported it, right.
There was another crowd that arrived that did all the
limpet mines.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Yeah, so I believe the just carried the explosives, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, and the and the Zepp and the Zodiac.

Speaker 8 (55:38):
That guy who talked about the part of entering the harbor.
The harbor mouth is probably twenty k maybe from North Kate. Yeah,
it's a little way down, but the most northerly harbor
on that side anyway, an amazing place to halfway have
an incredible time.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Up there, and over the years I've quite often had
talkback callers or listeners that have often emailed me from
de Harpoor, which have always sort of seemed to be
the furthest most listeners that we've got, which is all
which of because there aren't there wouldn't be many living
further north of that. I've always kind of had a
real soft spot for that, and we've holidaated that spot
at while that parlor across from there, it is extraordinary.
It's just a beautiful and that harbor is that water,

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that clarity of the water is unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
It's a lot.

Speaker 8 (56:20):
Bettern Now that they've stopped mining the white sand at
the mouth of the harbor because it caused a lot
of silting in front of the Marai over the years,
so hopefully it'll get even better over as time goes by.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Lovely to talk, Stephen, Thanks so much for coming through.
Twenty four to ten. My name is Marcus d On Midnight,
No Lanes Free twenty two to ten. Good evening, Garriot's
Marcus Welcome.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
Good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 21 (56:46):
Yeah. Saura An interviewed this morning of a lady. She
got a job as a cock on the Rainbow Warrior,
and she was She left the boat and went into
Auckland City to get some supplies, and whilst she was
in the city, she heard the boom and she walked

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back with her supplies to the boat all the what
was a boat poking near the water?

Speaker 11 (57:12):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Wow, I hadn't heard that story. Yeah, no job for her, yep,
must have sunk quite quickly.

Speaker 21 (57:24):
Yeah, because she she said she just saw the couple
of bits of the boat poking at the top of
the water, and she had all the supplies and nowhere
to put them.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah. Okay, I agread with that article. Gary. Thanks for
that Diane. It's Marcus Good evening.

Speaker 22 (57:42):
Yes, good evening, Marcus. I'd just like to mention that
I remember after that happened, David Longe ACTU menaged to
set up a trade deal between you know, between France
and US. Here was either battle or something like that.
They had to take so much from US. I do

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remember David rowing you're doing that.

Speaker 8 (58:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
I think that the French played a bit dirty with
that and said that they were going to not buy
our goods if we didn't release them. I think there
was also that happened too.

Speaker 22 (58:18):
Yes, I just I remember that that David doing that.
So whether it happened or not, I'm not sure, but
I can remember that bit.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Okay, thanks for that, appreciated Alan. It's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 12 (58:34):
Hello Marcus.

Speaker 9 (58:35):
I'm glad to talk about catches and harbors. Yeah, weitches
ketchers when mastered kitchens. Yes, s Yeah, this is the wind,
Miss Scott Watson.

Speaker 12 (58:46):
Time.

Speaker 9 (58:47):
We went fishing from free Touro boat Ramp and we
went fishing over the Manicau Harbor on the West coast
all day and when we came back to head the
Petro boat ramp off Clark's Beach, which is the boat
ramp before t Toro. There was a double masted catcher
could there, which I thought was very odd because if

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you'd want to go into the Menicaw, you'd go up
to the wallf and only hunger boy would you anchor
where there was no surprise or nothing.

Speaker 7 (59:18):
So I hopefully that was odd.

Speaker 9 (59:20):
And the water taxi driver was convinced that he dropped
the hope saw from the double masted yacht.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
So, you know, is this about the same time as they?

Speaker 9 (59:34):
It was about three days later, and it all sort
of came to tea, you know when it happened. It
was about three days later roughly, and there was a
ketch in the Menkau Harbor.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Why would you come into the Monaco with a kitch?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Is?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
It was? Where's titubas at Ny Clark speech? Is that
we said?

Speaker 9 (59:52):
It was, yeah, kicked me out towards wayoku?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, okay, can I can I? Can a kitch come
that far up the harbor?

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:00:02):
You'd go up the channel here?

Speaker 10 (01:00:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Okay, okay? What were you doing there?

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
We left from there to go go and fishing over
the west coast all day and it was there when
we came back. I think there I've.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Never heard anyone talk about that, Alan, but thanks for that.
There we go eighteen away from ten o'clock two lines
three eight eight sixteen to ten. Wel, thanks for calling.
You want to tell me about the slip on State
Highway one? What can you tell me?

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
So?

Speaker 23 (01:00:32):
I was coming southbound from Banga day just before the
tune off to go to Dargaville, and just coming down
before that, there's a whole of it at clay stuff.
I'm starting to fall down onto the road.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Wow.

Speaker 23 (01:00:45):
And then if you kind of follow it down further,
a lot of the orange cones that are kind of
stuck into the ground had fallen over. So I just
thought for anyone that is traveling southbound just before darga Balls,
just to be a bit careful. There was a bit
there when I ye know, when I messaged through.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Wel, that's we've done all the work, right, all the
work trying to make that is that right? That's what
that's that's this is the new improved for in dowing.
Are you saying there's been a slip there already?

Speaker 14 (01:01:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:01:16):
The apparent new improved has got to slip are starting
to form definitely, Yeah, And it's I don't think it'll
get any safer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
So over watch, overt over what sort of distance?

Speaker 23 (01:01:31):
It's probably about five or six meters.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Okay, Well that's bad, isn't it. Okay, Yeah, because there's
not there's there's nothing on the nz TA website yet,
is there people are looking at it yet or there's
no one there.

Speaker 23 (01:01:42):
I phoned the Star five five five number because that
goes straight through the traffic report or whatever, and I
was kindly advised that they were going to contact the
council in the morning. I was like, okay, so I
thought I'd call through and maybe just yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Really appreciate it, Mel, thanks for that. There we go,
So slip on state Hiwi Wan just by the brinduwins
ectually of Boothing in real time Cherry Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 24 (01:02:10):
Good evening. I'm intrigued with all the discussion about the
Rainbow Warriors. At the time, I was living in Opaust
and back then it was quite safe to pick up hitchhikers,
and I didn't take particular notice, but I picked up
this sort of middle aged Frenchman and he took upon

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himself to come around to my place for coffee every morning.
Because I had a big deck that overlooked the boat
harbor at Opauls, and I thought he was just a
curious French person. But after all the Rainbow Warriors happened,
I started thinking, well, there was some of them based
in various places in the North, and he was questioning me.

(01:03:02):
It sort of came across as idle conversation. But when
I looked back on it, he was trying to get
information about green Peace and about sailing from Ophaur down
to Auckland. But yes, I had no idea what his
name was and never saw him again. But you know

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how you have a funny feeling, Yes, somebody was relevant.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Well and Cherry, what was the timeline? Was this long
before the bombing? Was this months or weeks before the bombing?

Speaker 24 (01:03:35):
It was just weeks before the bombing. And then I
had an idea. People have said two weeks in soong array,
but I had an idea it was more like a
month because there was a Californian lady reader who in
fact just died a couple of weeks away, a couple
of weeks ago, and she had a little pizza place

(01:03:57):
which was kind of way ahead of its time, and
the one stationed in fong Array frequented that place, and
she had a book where it was very popular with
yachts and they all signed in with a you know,
not in their names, but in the name of the yacht.

(01:04:21):
And the UVA crew signed her book and had something
words to the effect that there may be more for this,
maybe more for New Zealand and this and meets the
eye or some obscure thing like that. And she had
taken that out of her book and had it framed

(01:04:44):
and it was hanging in her restaurants that she had
down on the waterfront. Now, a third thing that I
understood that they got one of their inflatables or gott
an inflatable from I think it was Woodroff Marine Supplies

(01:05:05):
that was just down from Hobson Street, because I knew
the daughter and she was saying how the police came
around and quiz to her dad on the matter and
the story about the two Marii forestry workers. I also

(01:05:28):
understood that they didn't actually observe the rendezvous. They saw
one vehicle arrive and people seemed fairly flustered, and then
it drove off in about twenty minutes later, another vehicle
arrived was equal sort of flustered people, and he wrote

(01:05:51):
he wrote the number plate in the dust on his
mute mudguard. And there was a documentary made on the
Rainbow Warriors not long after, and the two forestry guys
played themselves in it. And it just seemed to me

(01:06:18):
because they were able to supply the number, of course,
and I think it was to the rental car people,
which gave the police a very good lead. But it
always seemed to me that it was rather ironical that
the French secret service and spies and what have you
were kind of brought to their knees by two Mari

(01:06:39):
forestry workers in New Zealand who obviously had a very
extended morning tea at that particular morning because they caught
both of these vehicles. So that was just a couple
of variations.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
That's for good Jerry, that's good information. So I appreciate
you coming through that. That's all extremely interesting. Kind of
can't work out why they didn't just buy the all
the gear and us in and apart from the bombs.
Much easier just arrive with two bombs. They could have
done that quite easily, so I don't I mean, well,
you still would need a yacht and stuff. But it
would have made a lot easier because you've got to

(01:07:15):
realize they're doing all this before the days of cell phone,
so communication will be recomplicated with drop offs and things
like that. You need payphones and all sorts of stuff.
At less they had walking that wouldn't work. I don't
know how they would have communicated. I suppose old standard
spy stuff, isn't it anyway? Nine away from ten? Back soon?
Five from ten? Margaret?

Speaker 25 (01:07:35):
Good evening, Good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 10 (01:07:38):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Thank you? Margaret? How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:07:42):
Not too bad. I'm just through ringing up to find
out our why Coronation Street hasn't been on the last
couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Okay, what's on instead?

Speaker 19 (01:07:57):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
What's on instead?

Speaker 12 (01:08:01):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:08:02):
It was? I don't know if I haven't been watching
that part because we're not. We're normally watching other things,
but with Coronation Street we do watch What.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
Is that on?

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
At ten o'clock at night?

Speaker 25 (01:08:21):
Margaret is getting about this time, even half past nine.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Okay. I think what happens is because now we're caught
up with England right that sometimes they have breaks for
holidays and stuff, and then we've got nothing to play,
So I think imagine that's what it will be. There
will have been a holiday in the shooting schedule in
the Northern Hemisphere and it's just a bit of a
gap for a couple of weeks. But I'll see if
someone's got some more information. Okaya knows about that. That's

(01:08:50):
why I measured the I mean, it's not off for god,
good evening, George, it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 17 (01:08:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:08:56):
Hi. One of the more interesting things that I think
your listeners might be able to bring up neither confirm
nor deny. The motel that they stayed in up North
belonged to ara of the Prime Minister, and when it
came out was very embarrassing. Mister LONGI do you remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
It belonged to ave belonged for a relative?

Speaker 14 (01:09:14):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (01:09:15):
Why would like that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Why would that be embarrassing?

Speaker 16 (01:09:20):
Well, the prime Minister's family is hosting the bombers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Yeah, I can understand.

Speaker 16 (01:09:25):
I mean, that wouldn't go down well, and it didn't.
It was quite quite a bit of a rucus about
it at the time in parliament if i'member rightly got
onto the news and you know, they made a bit
of a two dollars out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I can't find that information straight away, but yeah, I look,
there was all sorts of connects. There were so many connections,
weren't there.

Speaker 16 (01:09:44):
Yeah, yeah, there was. And they're traveling around and everything
they did get noticed by people who they go, oh, okay,
I remember that, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
They said they seem to make it much more complicated
than they needed too.

Speaker 16 (01:09:58):
Yeah. I think once the bombing was done, people became
more aware of looking and watching and noticing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Yeah, I don't know why they did just get someone
local to do it, to do what the bombing?

Speaker 16 (01:10:11):
The bombing, Oh, it's it's not like today you've got
the internet and you can actually arrange things very quick.
This is pre cell phone days.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Basically would be mercenaries for highre They wouldn't there.

Speaker 16 (01:10:26):
Oh probably if you you know, import a few.

Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
They certainly made it. They certainly made it extremely It
took ten people, didn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:10:36):
Yeah, Well, but don't forget you're talking about a French
operation here, so they're going to do things by the
book to a certain extent. So it's going to be
a military exercise.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
I wonder what they thought of it. The people themselves
were opposed to it. I mean I know you're not
suppose you've got to follow commands. But I wonder in
the light of day, if they thought, wow, it was
a terrible thing we've done.

Speaker 16 (01:10:58):
No, these are guys that are trained to do this.
They wouldn't they wouldn't think twice about it. It's an operation.
It's no different than someone going in the guards and
shooting people because they've been told you, Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
George, thanks, we just have to headlines Coronation streets back
on fifteenth of July. That's a situation. Fifteenth of July.
We are talking rainby worry of finding of every interesting
because so many people have connections with it, and it's
forty years ago. But this stuff you remember, and the
place here, they did a good job on it, and
the army did a good job flying across to New

(01:11:29):
Mere to see them straight away. We mobilized quite quickly,
all before cell phones. I mean, it's a different kind
of story, old school anyway, Get in touch, Marcus till twelve,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and that it's Marcus. Welcome,
Good evening, evening, Marcus.

Speaker 26 (01:11:43):
The book you wanting to read is The Sunday Times
Insight Rainbow Warrior, the French attempt to sink Greenpeace. It's
a very very well respected book and it's been written
by the Star Times investigate team called the Insight Team.
Well year, it come out, came out, looking at it.

(01:12:07):
It came up pretty quickly after this was first published
nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
I haven't seen it around. I can say it's on
Amazon for six. I get it for four seventy six.
It'll cost it. Yeah, okay, god, okay, I appreciate that.
And you you've got a copy.

Speaker 17 (01:12:24):
Of you I have.

Speaker 26 (01:12:25):
I was a good queen as a copy brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Okay, I'll get onto there and it. Thanks so much
for that, Mary, and it's Marcus. Good evening, Good evening.

Speaker 27 (01:12:36):
My husband and I were teaching at the Halfware School
when these two French chips knocked on the door. We
were my our four children were all sick. The whole
school was sick. Actually the school was closed because we
had a flu epidemic or something. So I had our sleeping.
We had our sleeping on the lounge floor Maria style

(01:12:57):
on Maxafus with plenty of library books. Then there was
a knock at the door and there's these two French chaps.
I opened it. Now, I've done a bit of French
at school, so I recognized their accent. So I had
a bit of a chat to them for a while,
and they were wanting to know how to get out
of the harbor. So we didn't really know so because
it's quite difficult harbor to get out of. So I

(01:13:21):
directed them down to Mattie Sussitch at the school at
the store down the end. And then the next thing
we had police at the door with a whole sheet
of sheets of identification to identify who the two men were.
And they asked me, and I found quite easy too,

(01:13:44):
because these two men had receding hairlines and all our
locals had lovely bushy hair.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
Yes.

Speaker 27 (01:13:52):
So then after the lady before we just said about
the Sunday Times, was it or wrote a book of
which I've got a copy and we're on page fifty three.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Tell me something, how many days after the the police
come knocking at the door.

Speaker 24 (01:14:08):
Oh, not long after.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Like two days after the bobbing that soon, Yes, it.

Speaker 27 (01:14:14):
Would probably be that, I'd say. But then, yeah, it
was quite It was very interesting because first of all
it was them, and then the identification, and then they
people came up and wrote a book, and I've even
had somebody even last year ringing up wanting to make
a movie of it, dolementary of it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
And they came into that harbor to drop the bombs
and the scuba gear? Is that right?

Speaker 12 (01:14:36):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Is that what they did? They buried that somewhere, did they?

Speaker 27 (01:14:40):
Yes, I'm not very quite sure of the details. Someone else,
Stephen might know, but some you know, they came in
to the harbor and then had to get out, So yeah,
I'm not quite sure.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
And you'd never see yous coming in that harbor, would you?

Speaker 17 (01:14:59):
No?

Speaker 27 (01:15:00):
Not, not, not very much. No, But it was quite
a rough harbor to get out of, you can.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate it. Marian, thanks very much for that.
Hello Paula, it's Marcus.

Speaker 11 (01:15:10):
Good evening, Good evening, Marcus bringing about Coronation Street. It's
on TV one tonight, so I don't know what the
go is there. I don't watch it, but I just
happened to flip channels when I heard you asking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I've seen a couple of people. I've seen a couple
of people on Facebook say what's happened to it? So
it does seem as though it's there's someone on the
local Facebook community page saying it's not there.

Speaker 9 (01:15:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:15:34):
So whether it's an old one they're playing to till
they catch.

Speaker 8 (01:15:37):
Up, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:15:38):
But it's on TV one tonight, so.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Yeah, okay, appreciate that. Thank you, Paula. Oh surprising and
we see you out to it. They get a lot
of text about Scott Watson. Here's it we meanted about
the Dutch photographer was killed on the boat from Jen. Yes,

(01:16:04):
Coronation Street was off in England due to the soccer
Germany England. The Rainbow Warrior was finally lad to rest
at Matoli Baker Valley Islands, far north to our traditional
Maldi Serami at Sea. That's right. Coronation Streets starts back

(01:16:25):
on fifteen July. There was a young constable of fluent
French speakers in the early days investigations. I would overhear
conversations between the bombers and provide an early breakthrough. David
Longe did a brilliant job at the time. I'm sure
that one pound was pretty four shillings, so people could

(01:16:45):
have been paid out two forty for each pound. I'm
sure that was trouble around the time Marcus I was
and went into indecimal currency arrived. There was living in Milan,
Italy when the Lera was succeeded by the Euro. In
both cases, the elderly became regitated and governments and innocent
people got the blame. Get in touch with you here

(01:17:09):
talking about the Rainbow Warrior, your connection with that. We're
also talking about decimal currency. And I've got no idea
whether Coronation streets on or off. Why would someone ring
up and say it's not on, then they saying it's off.
I've got no idea about that, but yes, it does
add extra fresh on to the test on Saturday against

(01:17:33):
the French on the fortieth anniversary. And now they say
they won't stay in Hamilton? How dare they? Get in touch?
If you want to talk thirteen past ten, hit till twelve,
it's all about the Rainbow Warrior. Oh, eight hundred and eighty,

(01:17:54):
ten eighty and nineteen nine to text, markus till twelve.
What have you got, let's hear from it. Keep those
emails coming through if you've got them. Oh, he's an email.
The people posing as the gym teachers, Jean Lukelister and

(01:18:18):
Gien Camar. The combat divers actually set the bombs, met
up with the fake Swiss honeymooners Alan Margarette and Dominic
Prior at a vacation spa. The cabin they used was
owned by New Zealand's Prime Minister David Longer. They built
the bombs on his kitchen table and tested the water
proving in his jacuzzie. Oh, I'm hearing what you're saying.
Thank you, Jean Louis dormont Ak. Colonel Louis Pierre Delis,

(01:18:46):
the master one informs him after this that the warrior
had arrived on schedule in Auckland. I appreciate that that
makes perfect sense. I apologize that caller. He was spot
on what he was saying. Here's an interesting text that
will bring you back, which is a great topic for
another day, Marcus. I remember walking around the Silly City
selling mystery envelopes for school around that time. I wonder

(01:19:09):
if school still fundraised that way. The most common prize
was the family portrait lots of ugly or shy people
by the amount of them recovered from the pavement. Yes, gosh,
we all well that was a I honestly often remember
going to sell mystery envelopes, but the prizes were all duds.

(01:19:30):
They're all a photographic sitting. You had to pay a
lot of money to buy the photos of free photographic sitting.
That's right. Mystery envelopes terrible fundraiser. I don't know if
there are any good prizes in them at all, although
quite compelling. Is someone trying to buy the well? Actually,
I wonder what's going to happen here. You're quite excitingly

(01:19:55):
on mystery envelope. Anyway, our talking the Rainbow orri If
you've got some information eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
look forward to your calls your memory and some remember
it and some it's all right about tonight. Get in touch.
My name is Marcus. Welcome. There's something else you want
to talk about. Feel free, Oh eight hundred and eighty

(01:20:17):
ten eighty. Your memories of the event or your memories
of the investigations lines now free. If you've been trying
to get through, we will get you to wear. I'm
pretty surprised that Excel Rose had never met Ozzie Osborne
till this weekend. Anyway, that's a side found that surprising.
We have talking the Rainbow Warrior eighteen past ten. Patrick,

(01:20:39):
it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 14 (01:20:41):
Yeah, Markush is Patrick here. Patrick just really the Rainbow Warrior,
me and my family living in Australia and Makai at
the time. My brother in law he built his big
catch over the across the Manawa Nui. Now they sailed
back and me and my family flew back, and then

(01:21:03):
we turned back to it and they sound in and
they came by a PG and they came back and
they landed there and they put them where the Rainbow
Warrior was because it was a big, big catch twin mask.
And then the five Master came and moved on that
side from that side because he was too big, and

(01:21:25):
they just moved into the next side over and the
Rainbow Warrior came in that night that day that day
and went right beside us, and we were in dinner
there at night and we were standing there and you know,
they used to used to hear all banging going on.
Were used to be the boats unbloading with forcliffs in

(01:21:49):
that which all of banging. And we were sitting there
having there and all of a sudden we're just here boom,
you know, and didn't know anything else. And then we
saw the lights flashing up stairs up on the wall.
We caubed up stairs and there was a rainbow warrior
right there. Picked gone, wow, and that was went back.

(01:22:10):
Then we were right there. But the Money I knew
he was enabled the boat my brother on the family owned,
and they got moved from there to just the other side,
and we didn't know who was coming in. But when
it came and rained by worrying and he just they
just tied up on the other side and we were

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there having a meal that night on board Money. I
knew he and then we heard the bang, but we
didn't take a lot of loners. When we went up
on the deck and had a look, she was. She
was all gone. And my brother in law was the
chief diving instructor with the navy. As he built his catch,

(01:22:54):
he went over to he's working in McKay and we
went over day and and stepped and put the masks
up and everything, and then me and my family stayed
there for a while. We brew home and they sailed home. Yeah,
we were right there. That very nice, Yeah, very win.
It epened, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I got a bit confused because history, because he hid Fiji.
But then you came into Auklandhargher and that's where you.

Speaker 9 (01:23:19):
Were he came.

Speaker 14 (01:23:20):
He came here. Yeah, he came from like by our
Fiji coming back to Newshaland. And we've met and my
wife and my family threw home, grew back to news him.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Its confused. So there's also the name of the ship
that went down. Isn't the money Anui? That's the one
the navels the naval ship that went down off Samaya
and that was the money We knew he wasn't it?

Speaker 16 (01:23:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:23:42):
Money? I did. What's the name of my brother law
and sister in law said kick brilliant?

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Thanks for that. Nice to hear from your patrick two
two two ten twenty two. That's the time. It's a
bad way to send them to tell the time, isn't
it welcome? We are talk about the Rainbow Warrior. I
was on Great Barrier when it happened. So there we go.

(01:24:11):
I'm not quite sure what day we came back. What
day was It was a Wednesday year. We got stuck
there because it was bad weather, which is interesting for
an extra two days, I think. But we came in
out of lee, I think, so I don't know if

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we would have come across any of the other ships
or any of the our paths would have intersected anyway,
get in touch by Dame's Marcus welcome hititied twelve, we
are talking the Rainbow or if you've got the input
on that, and we just checked the texts. Someone said,

(01:24:53):
what about the Rainbow Laura keep very good question. What
was the name of the book? I missed that? Caller said,
I can tell you if I can google it up,
and I will do that. I would imagine there's probably

(01:25:16):
with more information now there's probably subsequent books that probably
have stuff that's not in that book, because that was
quite new. Rainbow Warrior, The French Attempt to Sink Greenpeace,
written by the Sunday Times Insight Team and published in

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nineteen eighty six, detail account of the event leading to
the bombing, the attack itself, the subsequent political and legal fallout.
I think there's been a number of one or two
TV series subsequently that have got more eyewitnesses that have

(01:26:03):
come out of the woodwork. So if you've got a
comment to talk about that, there are different times they
went they as kind of nuclear there was an appetite. Yeah. Well,
all I can say is times have changed. It's not
looking so crash shot when it comes to NUX these days,

(01:26:26):
with a number of countries probably contemplating getting nuclear warheads.
Although what I was only aware of untilizer was never
aware of until reading today, was that South Africa one
of the few countries that voluntarily has given up their
nuclear armaments, which is pretty amazing. Not quite sure why
they had them, Marcus. One of your callers called the

(01:26:49):
other night was asking for advice if there was an
app is she was blind? There's an app called be
My Eyes where it has volunteers who help when you
open the app. Thank you. Coronation Street is definitely not
on tonight. What was that woman doing? Should just have
seen a commercial or something. Next time it's screening is
next Tuesday. Someone's text me all so off due to

(01:27:24):
the soccer. But it's twenty six past ten. If you
want to court Hittle twelve, good evening, Graham, it's Marcus.
Welcome all right.

Speaker 16 (01:27:31):
Marcus, I'd just ring it up for about the Rainbow Warrior.
In nineteen eighty five, there was a group that sailed
up to Fiji and the Auckland Who's over race and
the skipper of our boat wanted to make it a holiday.
So we cruised around the Fiji Islands, up the Asais
and so on, and then we sailed over to Tana

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Island port Veela and back down to New Mia. And
as we were sailing into New Mia, we did this
boat approach quite noisy, and then it disappeared. One of
the guys on our boat was interested in buying a
dinghy at the local shop and new mayor the marine shop.

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And in that shop they've got a big horseshoe shaped
counter and one side the yachting gear and the other
side was the skin diving gear. And while we were
in there making inquiries about this rubber dingy, there was
two chaps trying on skin diving gear and flippers and
slocals and aca lungs and all that sort of stuff.

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So the guy that we were inquiring with says, come
back to myron and we'll have a price for you.
So we went back the next day and these chaps
were in there picking up their skin diving gear. So
my crewmate and I says, well we'll walk back to
the boat. So on our way back to the this
little citron coming along and where the charter businesses ross

(01:29:04):
Blackman who used to be the boss of the money
man at ten years Inland. He used to manage that
charter business. So we thought, oh, we'll have a look
at that on the way past.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Great great Graham, just I'm just going to go to headlines.
So I just want to come back and talk to
you a bit more. So just told your horses I'll
be back at about half a minute. So I just
told you don't go anywhere and I'll come back. Because
this is fascinating. The number is eight hundred and eighty
today if you want to call a couple of lines
free and nine to nine to if you do on
a text to your GRAMM. Sorry to interrupt you there, okay,
So yes, keep up going with that. You're back the
next day, and there they were, yes, oh yes.

Speaker 16 (01:29:40):
So they loaded the gear into this wee sit fron
and took it to where the charter business was and
they put it onto a yacht called THEO there. So
we never thought anything more. We said, oh, yeah, they're
away on a trip, you know, diving somewhere. So the
next day we went to clear the port and our
skipper went ashore just about ten o'clock and we thought, oh,

(01:30:02):
he will be out of there shortly, and then he
never came back until about after two, well after two o'clock,
and he said to us, you won't believe it. He said,
there's a submarine in port. The only time there's ever
been a submarine in the New Mea port and most unusual.
So the harbormaster was invited on board for lunch, so

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we had to wait till so he came back so
we could clear. And as we cleared about three USh
there was this boat came out and I said to
our chaps, they are going the same place as we were,
which was Norfolk Island, and they said, had the nicest
look at his course. So we get to Norfolk Island
the next morning and here's this boat anchored up right

(01:30:44):
beside us. So a couple of the crew came out
and off. The other boat came out and stripped off
and swum around the boat. And they were very well
built men like yourself, markets quite strong musculine chaps, you know,
definitely army or or that type. So they came over

(01:31:05):
to us and says, oh, like to ride ashore, and
we says yeah, sure, So we got to ride ashore.
The local policeman picked us up and took us into
Norfolk and did our shopping and then dropped us back.
And then a couple of weeks later we hear that
there's been this bombing in Auckland and we thought that's
a bit funny. So the police rung us to inquire

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about this stuff. They knew we had been there and
so on, but nothing ever much came of it. And
I noticed I saw the BBC program a while ago,
and they had a whole heap of people that were
supposedly on this charter boat fishing, and we thought it
to ourselves, well, we know what was going on there,

(01:31:47):
don't We say? It was very strange that a submarine
should have been sent to do there, specifically that weekend
or week So that was our experience with the guys
that dunk the Rainbow Warrior.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Just where you went to the dive shop. That was
New Caledonia or New Maa. Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, yeah,
okay obviously yeah. So so what was the point of
the submarine.

Speaker 16 (01:32:24):
Well, that's how they topped them off the boat, some
of the rest of the crew because that yacht was
never seen again. They that particular yacht was in New
Zealand and then it went to Norfolk and then it
totally disappeared all together. So we think it would have
been sunk on the way back once they took their

(01:32:45):
soldiers or whatever they were, marines or something, and then
they would have taken them home on the submarine.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Unbelievable, and they scuttled the boat. So this was this
was so your interactions with them was after the bombing.

Speaker 16 (01:32:59):
No, no, no, they were on their way to New Zealand. Okay, yeah,
they brought they bought the skin diving gear at the
shop when we were in there, you know, getting prices
for a rubbed dy. But it was quite quite strange.
But the blonde chap that was with them, there was

(01:33:19):
only the three of them on the boat that was
coming to New Zealand, but it showed there was a
whole heap of them on the fishing trip, which wouldn't
have been practical because they wouldn't have put that many
people on a I think the avair was about a
thirty something for yacht.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Did they did they hire?

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
They?

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Did they hire or purchase that yacht?

Speaker 16 (01:33:41):
They must I think they hired it. I'm not sure
it seems strange at the time, but the police from
Auckland Rangers to confirm it because they were worried about
at the time when the boat was dunk. They were
all worried about a They were trying to get this
rubbed indy that that court thought it out. That was

(01:34:04):
all they were worried about.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
Yeah, because they flew up to Norfolk Island straight after it.
They and they just couldn't get a chance to reprehend them,
it seemed. And they and they they slipped away.

Speaker 16 (01:34:15):
That's that's right here, and we wonder how they got away.
But some arena, yeah, exactly because when we were just
sailing into Norfolk, Marcus, as you know, you can hear
a fishing motor quite sustinctlessly. If we were motor and
we were just failing quietly, and it wasn't a strong

(01:34:36):
when it was quite a foggy day with it, he
is this mode have come up close to us and
then it hung with us for about half an hair
and then it slowly stop off. Had a good look
through the binoculars, but we could.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Never see in Norfolk and Norfolk it wouldn't be the
sort of place that inn the yachts would go is
it because there's not much. There's not a there's not
a harbor. There is there, it's just a it's just
a bay. I mean, you'd be exposed to some to
some winds, wouldn't you. It's not a good shelter place.

Speaker 16 (01:35:04):
No, it's one of those places that it's blowing. Lad
you have to go around and anchor on the that's imagined,
Yeah and vice versa. Yeah, in that particular day, I
think we sailed and anchored on the north side. Oh yeah,
but yeah, that was my experience with the guys at
around the Warrior. Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Yeah, thanks very much, Graham. Keep your calls coming through
twenty four to eleven hntil midnight all about the Ray Warrior.
Forty years Marcus, the summarine would have had the limp
at mines. Difficult to fly such things around the world,
even in nineteen eighty five. Although there would have been
the army at they would have been the army at you.
There would have been the French army in New Caledonia,
wouldn't they. I mean, you wouldn't need a submarine. There'd

(01:35:44):
be an army base at New Caledonia, wouldn't they. That'd
be my take or pick twenty three to eleven eight
and eighty ten eighty just reading this rejected reports from
the Greenpeace website at the Rainbow Warriors. His one extraordary
occurrence was a phone message to the Northern District Office
on the morning of Thursday the eleventh July. On individual

(01:36:04):
the French excitent using named du Pont suggested the secret
the service cheick passenge lists of flight from New Caledonia
and Tahiti for French servicemen who were Navy divers. The
caller was never identified. I still can't quite source for
any of the documents with actually Eveya's Dunty originated from

(01:36:25):
but anyway already ended up. But I do get in touch.
By this way I talk about the Rainbow Warrior. Anything
you want to say about that or any perceived threat
to life is frightening. I was living in London working
the Financial District during the seven July terrorist attacks. I
watched the buses leave in the city one by one,

(01:36:45):
empty except for the driver. I'll never forget those bus
drivers emptying the city of possible threats at the risk
of their own life. The submarine might have had special
personnel for last instructions and or embarking to the yacht.
No email back then. Yes, thank you Brian for your

(01:37:11):
text us thinking about you today. Remember being on Great
Barron when the news of the bombing of the Rainbowrrier
came through. Not sure how we got it. Did someone
go down to the shop as did one of us
have a transistor radio? Also remember being streateded the extra
day and James recycling food from out of the cesspit.
Brian Crump, Yeah, so just to see about there a

(01:37:33):
spare time. It was a geography It wasn't really a
field trip because it was a job. It was part
of the university who went to Great Barrier for a week.
Maybe it was a week. And Brian Crump, certainly, who
is a you all know I was a broadcaster was
there as well and we're a fantastic week there. But

(01:37:57):
we couldn't get back because the sea became rough. So yes,
we did dig up food and reate the food that
we had because we couldn't get off the island. And yeah,
and Brian's rebably got a better memory than me. But
we were on the island when the news of the
bombing came through and maybe someone had gone down to

(01:38:18):
Fitzroy to the shop there and heard the information that
might have been what happened. So yeah, nice to hear
from you, Brian. Anyway, what a fantastic trip. That was
unbelievably good. Anyway, eighteen to eleven, if you want to
come through, we did the lot. It was amazing. I
can't believe how far we walked that we did all
of it. Anyway, I suppose you do those things when

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you're young.

Speaker 9 (01:38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
I've been back subsequently, but everything quite as extraordinary as
that time. Anyway, Phillip's Marcus, welcome, good.

Speaker 12 (01:38:49):
Evening, good evening. A little bit of a thing on
the Rainbow Warrior. We were living in Auckland at the
time and they are first born. He was one years
old and he went down and had a look at it.
And then twenty eight years later wife and I took
it our first overseas trip and we met up with

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our son and his wife and we were walking around
Bath in England and we had just been to the
World Maybe Submarine Museum at Gosfort and I bought a
Polish shir and it said, you know, the submarines, and
I had her in Bath and this girl from Greenpeace
she would have been about twenty or something. Comes up

(01:39:31):
to us and she says to me, oh, you like
underwater boats. You heard of the Rainber Warrior. And she
was completely blown away. And I says, well, we're actually
from New Zealand and we've been down and seen it.
And this feller behind us, who's twenty nine years old,
he was one years old pushing around in the wheelchair
and a pushchair, so she was just blown away. She

(01:39:51):
didn't take I think she was trying to drum up
support for a petitional ken. He had to join Greenpeace and
pay that annual subscription, so it was not quite roonic.
The other thing I was going to talk about was
Decimal Currency Day. This day, my mate, he's since passed away.
He was doing his normals as a young fellow working

(01:40:15):
at a bar and it was six o'clock closing at
that stage, and of course when it came in on
Decimal Currency Day, everyone had to use dollars and cents,
not your pounds, and he said it was absolutely chaos.
As I got closer to six o'clock, people were just
throwing their money over the bar because they had no
idea how to convert it from imperial stuff to dollars,

(01:40:35):
and he said it was just absolutely chaos. Nobody knew
how much money I was buying, what they're spending, and
I was just a little tight then. But we had
if you if you probably younger than me, but if
you remember the dollar scholars they had at school, No.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
I don't. I've got no recollection of that. I am younger.
I'm a lot younger than you, but you sound like
you're in your sixties.

Speaker 12 (01:40:55):
Yeah I am, yeah, yeah, and the dollar Scholar and
I had the certificates. I mean, everyone kid got who
could master the dollars and cents system.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Was amazing. Campaign fell because every remembers it.

Speaker 12 (01:41:07):
Oh yeah, well even then at school, we had plastic
money and you had all your various coins and you
were thought how to do it. But they had to
discontinue it because everybody was taking the coinage. It was
actually would have been cheaper for them to have the
real coins rather than these plastic coins, so they had
to give it away. But there was the more little
days at Riverdale's School in the Palmiston North.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
I occasionally see those mint sets of those coins for sale.
You can see those on some things too, which is
pretty amazing. So yeah, I appreciate you coming through. Thank
you for that. Philm Let's take a break to his honey,
you'll be next, catch us soon. Good evening, Susanna, ats Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 15 (01:41:48):
Oh hello. Yes, we had an orchard the comeo and
we were going to get apples to get to the
crew of the Rainbow Warrior. Where you can imagine what
other orchards would have donated too, and so they had
plenty of fruits where you can imagine. I I was
in the house about eleven o'clock one morning and I

(01:42:10):
hear on the radio what's happened. Well, we were absolutely discussed,
and but the outcome was that a whole lot of
yachts went up to the Pacific instead of the Rainbow Warrior.
So we went out and we gave apples to the
crew on these smaller yachts.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Oh well, how lovely okay, And of course they did
go up after that, didn't they. That's right, I remember
that now.

Speaker 15 (01:42:38):
Yeah, Well we met. Yeah, well, some of those people
from the Green Peace were pretty well known. I've got
an autograph book and we got them to sign it,
and some of them were in the newspapers. Yes, and
so they were amazing people because they were going up
there to face well, didn't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
And also plenty of news in the yachts have been
going up there for years to stop the testing on people.
Very brave because actually see that, you know they get
up there, there's not much ado. You're just sort of
sailing around and around for a long time. It was
pretty amazing what people did.

Speaker 15 (01:43:14):
Well, yeah, I thought they were pretty brave actually because
they didn't know what they were going up. You know,
they could have got.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
That radiation sickness or fall out or whatever. Because the
Navy sailor's got it. That's what they think they know.

Speaker 15 (01:43:31):
Well, I have to say, I remember we were all
very anti French at that stage where we're not going
to buy anything that came from France. I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Tell me something, Susannah. Is the orchard still there?

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:43:47):
I think it's part of the greater Auckland now, I
believe because I lived down on long I know you
now that it's almost Auckland up the Helens.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Well, it's amazing how all those orchards have gone.

Speaker 15 (01:44:03):
Yes, and it was a very productive place because you
know the people were growing crops as well and that's
not that long ago. But now Auckland has just exploded.
Where the cattle were grazing, is now that huge shopping center.
I'll forget the nomos that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Well, yeh, does we skate so yet? Does we skate?
We skate? And I think Costcos is near there too.

Speaker 15 (01:44:30):
Yeah, well the cattle were grazing and those paddocks back then. Yeah,
it makes you think, Yeah, I'm not I'm glad I'm
not driving around there now.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Nice year from you, SASA, Thank you. Nine to eleven.
If you want to talk, my name is Marcus Ledil twelve.
We are talking the Rainbow Warrior. Marcus not sure about
the armed forces in New Calor, but the gendarmes are
a tat out of Paris and you men and New
Caledonia were their France every six months, no local police
because they want total control. And gendarmes are actually French military,
not police, such as we have button forces of the law.

(01:45:07):
About time they become independent, isn't it, Marcus? Previous text
uses information. The same day we changed the decimal currency Sweden.
Change from driving on the left to the right side
of the road. Cheers John. French story is a rainbow
Warrior had very sense of rhydioactive testing equipment only available
in nuclear states, so they alleged it was passed to

(01:45:29):
create Greenpeace from the Soviet or the Chinese. What was
I going to say, Oh, yeah, I tell you what
I mean. I would imagine that well, I don't know,
actually I don't. I would imagine that green Peace had
some support, but not total support. But I think probably

(01:45:53):
after that, certainly it. Yeah, New Zealand very much was
furious with the French. I don't really know where that
when that's not because it seems as though these days
we see them quite fondly. They just pay reparations. But

(01:46:14):
I don't think the apology. I think we're still waiting
for the apology. But we are talking about the Rainbow
Warrior bombing that happened this day, which is the tenth
of July in twenty twenty five, and the next day,
of course Live Aid was on, which went for a
couple of days. I think that was broadcast. I think
TV and need carry that. But get in touch on
him as Marcus welcome in other news, we'll bring that too.

(01:46:36):
I don't know what's happening around the world, but if
there is stuff We'll do what I can to bring
people have set that coronation streets not on. But I
think they that didn't play for a week or two
because of English football. Seems to happen every year. Now
we've caught up. We haven't got the riggle room. Must
be a nightmare for the TV and ded switchboard with

(01:46:56):
everyone bringing to complain Monde, how long has that gone?
Sixty years? Is it a habit for some of you now? Ah,
by the way, state of emergency for Tasman with very
wet whether it's a preemptive one, weather expeeded from midday

(01:47:16):
tomorrow if you want to come in before the news,
would like to hear from you, and we are talking
about the Rainbow Warrior. I'll check the emails. It is
probably one of those two to read out Marcus. In
the eighties I worked as a nurse in diagnostic radiology
at the Royal Prince Albert Hospital in Sydney. We got

(01:47:37):
patients from French Polynesia with some nasty cancers. But the
other thing too is that you know, I mean, the
French got their bombs and there's nine countries with nuclear capabilities. Now,
how are they England, France, the United States, Russia, India, Pakistan,

(01:48:03):
North Korea, Israel?

Speaker 17 (01:48:05):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
I think it's the nine, but you know, and there
was all sorts of nuclear non proliferation clauses, but think
in recent years the number of nuclear bombs has gone
through the roof again, and now there's all sorts of
other countries. Now the world's become less stable that are
thinking of heading towards nuclear armament because of the advantages

(01:48:26):
they see as to have it, which is really concerning.
Three of thousand people killed in that bomb at Hiroshima,
and now there's bombs that are eighty times stronger, and
then you start worrying about an accent because you know,
if there is a bomb that goes off, then there
is instantly there will be reprisals and responses. So you're

(01:48:52):
seeing one off and suddenly there's hundreds, and what if
one goes off by mistake? I mean, it's you know,
and there have been there have been mistakes before, So
it is concerning. No, I find it concerning anyway thing
to say on the back of this, because you know,
for a while there in New Zealand with the vanguard
of encouraging the world, and we were looked up to

(01:49:13):
around the world. Has been a country that was pretty
much opposed to the spread of nuclear warheads, but of
course South Africa had them. They've stopped. I think three
of the Russia on the breakaway right. I think the
Ukraine had nukes for a while, and a couple of
the other Russian states, but they've since dibsted of those,

(01:49:33):
so now it's just the nine countries. But you know,
it could go up a large I think Germany has
been looking at it. Cut places like South Korea. I
mean they'd want them. With North Koregia sitting there, You've
got Taiwan, You've got Japan. So yes, I don't think
the future is looking any safer. But it's kind of

(01:49:58):
terrifying to think, really how much death power they have.
But they've only been used once and how many years
ago was there eighty years ago? So I guess there's
a lesson there. I'm not quite sure what the lesson is. Anyway.
Do you get in touch you want to talk here
till midnight tonight the number is eight hundred and eighty

(01:50:20):
ten eighty. If you want to text, it's nine to
nine to forty input tonight. French will not give up
New Canada until they run out of copper, and they
might even fight the Chinese for it. Yep, there we go. Well,
I am reading about the amazing takeup of the solar

(01:50:44):
energy that is probably um outdone any expectations of how
quick that would be taken up. Is that the new
solar panels use much, much, much less of those rarest
minerals and the old ones used to, so suddenly note
they become much much cheaper. But they reckon now when

(01:51:05):
they start dismantling old solar panels that all the metals
rare earth metals that you need will be utilized to
make many more panels. So I thought that was quite
good news. And I think I've read too that now
England has no more coal powered power stations, which I
was really surprised by. So that's something, isn't it. So

(01:51:30):
they're freed themselves of coal anyway. So just like there
is despair when it comes to nukes, there is hope
with solar anyway. We're just coming up to the news.
We'll be back after the news with more of this.
If you want to talk, feel free to come through.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine two nine
to text Marcus till midnight tonight, looking forward to what
you've got to say. Mikey Bibbon along after twelve in

(01:51:54):
the meantime, line's free. If you want to be a
part of it, as I say, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and nine two nine, tow detext with it
till midnight tonight if you want to be part of
the show. We I talk about forty years since the
bombing here to twelve. We are talking about the Rainbow
Warrior forty years ago today that that was bombed at
the Auckland Wolf and happened here about this time too.

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I think they just all went at midnight. I think
that's the way it works. So yeah, we are much
discussion about that. Many people are affected by that, many
people had connections with that involved in the investigation and
the likes. Yeah, plus very quick the police and onto
it very very quickly, which is exciting. Anyway, Get in touch.
My name is Marcus Httl. Twelve o'clock Stephen, Good evening.

Speaker 7 (01:52:39):
Oh Marcus, did did David Longan? What did he want
to try and keep people here in New Zealand before
go bit to France or not?

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
There was an arrangement made, so they were incarcerated on
a French at all and they were there for several
years until they one of them, I think the female,
she became sick and she was released.

Speaker 7 (01:53:08):
Okay, Yeah, when they do they get to France in
some in some memor or something or.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
There was a number of different people. Some people flew out,
some were arrested, some sailed back up to Norfolk Island
and then they appeared to have been picked up or
scuttled the yacht.

Speaker 7 (01:53:33):
Okay, and what what what what to them after that?
Do they get punished back in France or do they
or or was it I.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Think I think they I think they got I think
they got commended and got medals for what they did. Okay,
but yeah, but Per and MafA they pret guilty to manslaughter.
There were sentenced for ten years imprisonment, right, Yeah, and
they were to some island in the Pacific to serve

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there to serve their sentences.

Speaker 7 (01:54:13):
Okay, you could.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
I just wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:54:17):
I just wasn't quite sure what happened to them, if
they got sented to prison or not.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Or yeah, one of them became sick. But yeah, it's
all on the I mean, there's pret of information there
about if you want to lock Stephen. So yeah, I
don't really want to rehash it all to you, but yeah,
I appreciate you calling. Get in touch with your talk.
Myname's markets welcome eight hundred and eight.

Speaker 16 (01:54:38):
Text.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
So the three people on the were rest on Norfolk
Island but released as Australian lord did not allowed to
be held until the results of forensic tests came up.
They were then picked up by the French submarine Rubis
after they scuttled the UVEA. So picked up by presume
at Norfolk Island, so the submarine must have been hovering nearby.

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So that's the story. That's the details, yep. Anyway, get
in touch eight hundred and eighty ten eighty France launched
their own commission of inquiry, which declared the French government
innocent of any involvement in the act, claiming that the

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arrested agents, who had not yet preid the Guild, had
been many spying on Greenpeace. When The Times in the
mon contract of these findings by claiming that present Missalon
had approved the defense to bombing, Defense Minister Charles Henry
Reside resigned in the head of the d g SC
Admiral perrr Cost was fired. Operation Satanic was a public

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relation's disaster. Eventually, Prome Minister Laurian Foebiu admitted the bombing
had been a French plot. He summoned Junis to his
officer a determined word statement in which he said the
truth is cruel and acknowledged he had been a cover up.
He went on to say, agent to the French service
sank that boat. They were acting on orders state terrorism.

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And after that right, France conducted fifty four more nuclear
tests until the end of testing in nineteen ninety six.
There you go. Although we seem to have fairly good
relations with the French at the moment. Don't know why,
but yeah, that's what's happening. If you want to talk,

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wait eighty to the Denise, it's Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 18 (01:56:45):
Did you say, Denise?

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
Is it your name? I said, whatever your name is?

Speaker 18 (01:56:50):
I said, Denise, jez oh, sorry, Marcus is sing here?

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
I'm sorry? Hang on, what what did you say?

Speaker 18 (01:56:59):
It's what My full name is Denise and everyone calls
me Anne. But there's so many entering are I usually
use Denise when I ring you guys or text you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
But that's complicated.

Speaker 18 (01:57:14):
Yeah, yeah, don't mean to be disrespectful about the Ravel Warrior,
but I just wanted to give you some feedback. We've
just were in christ Jet. We've just come back home
from the TENCC concept.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Oh god, where was that at?

Speaker 18 (01:57:30):
It was at the Isaac Theata Royal, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:57:32):
What it might have been.

Speaker 18 (01:57:34):
Yeah, it was interesting because when I talked to your producer,
she was she must be younger than kind of my age,
definitely possibly yours, but kind of she didn't click what
TENNCC was.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
So just what you want to say, Just tell me
what you want to say, Denise.

Speaker 18 (01:57:51):
Look, it was a great concept, absolutely fabulous. They played
all the gold noldies. I'm not in love, the things
we do for love, I don't like cricket. And you
think they've been around for fifty through fifty three years?

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
Was it the original lineup?

Speaker 18 (01:58:07):
There's only two left in the original that's the lead
singer and the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Drummer, which is all which is all you want.

Speaker 6 (01:58:14):
It is, but.

Speaker 18 (01:58:18):
One of the guitarists have been there forty seven years
and then there were two younger guys. But interesting, the
band originally split because two of them invented the gizmo
and that's what in the nineteen late nineties makes the
or made the strings on the guitar vibrate.

Speaker 7 (01:58:37):
Okay, so it's called a Chris Patron. Yeah no.

Speaker 18 (01:58:41):
But it was interesting because I don't think there was
anyone under sixty there and I.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Imagine that'll be up dancing beside their seats. Were they?

Speaker 18 (01:58:49):
Oh yeah, there were, there were a few. There was
a few that tried to dance in the middle that
certainly cut hottest.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
I am this might be an unpopular view. I've always
hated Dreadlock Holiday.

Speaker 18 (01:59:03):
Yes, I didn't like it either, and like it now,
so yeah, and yet it was one of their big hits.
It's amazing they.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
Did they do a Mandy flymy Yes.

Speaker 18 (01:59:16):
They did, Yes, yes they did. They did, And they
played one of their latest songs and I was quite
surprised that I can't remember the name, that they brought
it out only last year. And interesting enough they have
they because Brian May, of course from Queen, who's not
only an excellent musician, he's an astrophysicist. Tiency C wrote

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a song about the the Big Telescope that came out
well in ninety one or two thousand and one, that's it. Yeah,
And because because they knew Brian May, and Brian was
an astro physicist, they asked if he wanted to collaborate
on the song. And I think it's called something like
Flying High, which is a relatively new one for them.

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And yeah, Brian May helped produce it and put it
all together, so amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
Oh that's a fairly good recap. I suppose you're going
to do Wellington and aucland next are.

Speaker 18 (02:00:13):
They Wellington Auckland and then Hamilton three the next three
days and then they're off to Australia.

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
How old will they be? They've be in their seventies.
I suppose they are the.

Speaker 18 (02:00:23):
Lead thing of seventy nine? What ge Yeah, the lead
guitarist is seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (02:00:32):
And they didn't seem old. They didn't seem old in
their performance.

Speaker 16 (02:00:36):
Not at all, not at all.

Speaker 18 (02:00:38):
And at last I turned around to my husband and
I said, you never ever see an overweight guitarist because
they're just so into it. You know, they are bouncing
around us so athletic, all in their skinny jeans and yeah,
bodies like a twenty year old look like a seventy
year old and sound just wonderful.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Great report. Thanks Denise Berriot's Marcus.

Speaker 28 (02:01:01):
Good evening, Marcus, my recollection of Warriors. Early evening we
went in to have a look at it and it
was quite a brilliant looking boat. Actually all this up sitting.

Speaker 6 (02:01:15):
At the wharf.

Speaker 28 (02:01:16):
But after that we drove down the Tammicky Drive to
the Iraqi Boating Club because my brother in law was
actually on security that night because they were having a
lot of break ins in the marina and that, And
while he was there with the other people, they noticed

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the rubber ducky coming in with the people that had
just blown up the Rainbow Warrior, and they rang the police,
of course, but they didn't turn up in time and
they got away.

Speaker 3 (02:01:53):
But I think they got the number plate, did they?
It was big Pegnant?

Speaker 12 (02:01:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:01:56):
Is that the way? I think they kind of corrected it,
didn't they your brother?

Speaker 28 (02:01:59):
Whoever it was, Yeah, I can't just remember now, but
that's my recollection of forty years ago.

Speaker 21 (02:02:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
It seems as that they wanted to offload at Kelly
Talton's but it was too rough for something.

Speaker 28 (02:02:16):
Yeah, so they came in the under the brit Temicky, Yeah, to.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
Hobs Hobson Bay there, which quite a smart thing to do.
But I wonder how they were community. I wonder how
they were communicating with the shore party.

Speaker 28 (02:02:29):
I don't know because they had the vehicle where, you know,
to pick them up. So but they didn't realize they
were getting whatched.

Speaker 3 (02:02:36):
So none and it's not it's not easy without cell
phones to communicate. Nice to hear from your beer. I
guess they'd seph the more that will be military trained Marcus.
A good analogy for your Disaster's two people sitting in
a perfume petrol fumed room. One is one match, theeah
there's ninety seven matches. Who wins? Yeah, wow, thank you

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for that, cheers, Willie Marcus. The fact the terrorists returned
to France to heroes welcomes always stuck in my craw Marcus.
Until that, I didn't know that the French had claimed
Green Piece had been infiltrated by the KGB and that
is what motivated them. Well that's what they claim, isn't it.
Greenpeace had a drop and center on High Street and
were always around the bottom of Queen Street with clipboards

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recruiting financial donors. Then there was the Chuch of scientists,
of clipboarders who targeted smokers with questionnaires original jukes. A
hand of the car was flying through the air at
the start of the program, sold to a guy in
the white Ol Valley on the north shore. What's that about,
Marcus great show on topic of the French rugby deblisty
is that they were learning heaps about something that would
not have been talked about in the French media at
the time. Anyway, I get in touched by name is Marcus,

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welcome eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Catch you soon,
Bears says. Since the bombing, I've deliberately mispronounced French to
piss them off. There we go. Hopefully the Allbecks listen
to some of these stories to motivate and dominate France
in the next test. I quite like the French where
they play rugby. Yeah, they just seem to be more

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pastionate than us. That's what I think I've Anyway, I
won't say who I support ten to twelve. There is
a certain sector of the country that just loves to
talk about decimal currency. Marcus. They have helicopters to the
toutter front. I remember the first or second day they
said they couldn't get them up maybe that rainy day.
I do know also about the coverage of the Tour
de France. That's revery scripted. There's all sorts of shots

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they need to show from tourism points of view. Then
they've got to point out castles and stuff. That is
all scripted, and that is all part of their rights
that they've got to do that, which I always found interesting.
So preverty much is a tourism thing for the French.
But gosh, it looks beautiful, the flowers and the walls
and stuff. Great buildings, no earthquakes, you see, they stay up.

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So what's great about French stone buildings in Europe or
in France? Not so much Italy. I think that is
quite quake prone. It annoys me. Those idiots that run
in front of them or get close to them too.
That must be frustrating if you're a cyclist. Looks hot there.
It's forty six degrees I think, I think, or forty
degrees or something. Now, good evening, Philip's Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 10 (02:05:14):
Hi felt Oh good hello there you marg.

Speaker 3 (02:05:19):
Yeah, welcome Marcus here, good on you, thank you, greetings.

Speaker 10 (02:05:22):
Yes, sorry, I just want to tell you my story
of the Rainbow Warrior. And at the time I was
living in Sydney and I was working at the Special
Wood Trusting Service SPS. Just been set up running on
the bloody smell of a noisy rag. But anyway, and

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the thing is my mistress who's happened to be working
at the Daily Telegraph and suddenly at the time decided
to run away back to her family in New Zealand.
So I let that go for a bet a week
and then at the SPS organized trip back to the
healing myself do a story about how the New Zealand

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Labor government was legalized in Homer sexuality. And I did
the story.

Speaker 5 (02:06:16):
It was all good.

Speaker 10 (02:06:18):
And then I was camped up at Auckland on the
night really to fly at the morning, and then the
blooding rainbow worried you got blown, So yeah, it was
quite the unbeing down. The first thing in the morning
had no action pictures. But then day what did you put?

Speaker 3 (02:06:40):
What did you pick up a cameraman? Did you did you?
Is that what you did?

Speaker 10 (02:06:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:06:45):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:06:45):
You string us to shoot my story in Wellington and
string us to shoot the story in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
So Phil, how soon after that did they know it
was the French straight away or the next day? They
had no, you reporters, your juno has had no idea.

Speaker 21 (02:07:01):
They weren't.

Speaker 10 (02:07:02):
Well, I reckon they did, but they were leaning on.

Speaker 3 (02:07:05):
But did did the press have an inkling?

Speaker 9 (02:07:09):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:07:11):
The okay from how.

Speaker 10 (02:07:14):
But we couldn't No, I couldn't talk about it. You
couldn't just chuse no.

Speaker 3 (02:07:19):
You can't just say it's the French, could you?

Speaker 6 (02:07:22):
No?

Speaker 16 (02:07:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:07:25):
So did you did you hang around for a while?

Speaker 16 (02:07:28):
No?

Speaker 10 (02:07:29):
No, No, I wasn't bet. I mean yes, yes, was
running on the shoe lace. So I just did my
stuff back on the stable and then going and playing out. Okay,
they couldn't afford to keep you here any longer.

Speaker 3 (02:07:43):
Was there anyone to talk to it the boat?

Speaker 10 (02:07:46):
Yeah there was a ship.

Speaker 6 (02:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:07:48):
I got just from most but mostly from shocked Green
Piece supporters.

Speaker 3 (02:07:55):
So one of the crew news straight away who it was.
I guess they must read a suspicion.

Speaker 10 (02:08:00):
Yeah, yeah, I meant you're beg.

Speaker 3 (02:08:03):
From Sydney now though, way you feel?

Speaker 10 (02:08:06):
Oh yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
Nice to hear from you. Fill Livett there, thank you.
Just that's it for me people. I'll be back tomorrow
for the Friday Free for all. Appreciate all your calls tonight.
I will catch you well. Then let me think if
there's any more text before I go.

Speaker 12 (02:08:22):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (02:08:26):
I think he was on the ship, but he stayed
on the ship to protect us, get his to get
his film. I think I think that was a situation
with him with the guy that was killed. Someone said
he might have run down run onto the ship to
get his things, and I think he was on the
ship but didn't leave straight away because he wanted to
get some of his goods and then the second bomb
we'd often killed him. Are there as tennis tonight, obviously,

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Boy oh boy. There's a lot of people beside themselves
about New South Wales losing the state of origin. Boy,
there's been some over the top reactions to that. They're
already choosing the team that reporters already choosing the team.
Who's the we drop for twenty twenty six. Anyway, that's it.

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Mikey Bibban is along next, and I'll talk to you
tomorrow night. If you need to email me, always good
to get your emails Marcus at newstalkzb dot co dot NZ.
Don't text me overnight because I won't get them, but
you email me if you need to. I won't get
the emails until tomorrow night. So yeah, thanks for your calls.
Enjoyable as always, and I'll talk to you again tomorrow night.

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So thanks to everyone and see you then, OK, good night.

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