Can you be knighted twice (22 July 2024)

Following the 1NEWS investigation into Orana Wildlife Park in Christchurch, Marcus gets into whether zoos still have a place in 2024.

Also, he talks about a possible third supermarket player entering NZ, and how they stopped the Ōtaki river from flooding.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be second to last Monday in July. Greetings, good evening. Also,
we are blessed with the moon that is full. It's
exciting because people always mention it. There's two things people
always mention, ones the full moon. The other's greetings, welcome
head on midnight, hittle tomorrow. Hope things get better for
you if they're not good now by the time I

(00:31):
get to midnight, you get to midnight. We all get
to midnight.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Greetings? Please? You talk about tonight too. Sometimes there's not
stuff to talk about. Sometimes there is stuff to talk about.
I'm really excited that Stephen Tindall buys back the warehouse.
It turns them into supermarkets. Why not clearly that hole
cheap and cheerful clothes and stuff. That market's go and
you're getting too food. You can't get food from overseas

(00:58):
from TIMU. Yeah, that's what you want to do. You
got to be drifting into that and take on the Jyopoli.
Very excited about that. What a great idea. Hope he
does it master stroke. So I'm excited about that. Also,
I'll watch with interest what happens in Totong, and they've
had trouble there, they've had the people and the commissioners

(01:24):
in running the town, and now Mahi Drysdale is the mayor,
and I wonder how well that will go for him.
I think a very different skill sets required. Also to
it a surprising how few of those people did vote
for him, with only a turn of thirty percent. So yeah,
don't ring this show and complain with other and go

(01:45):
well if you haven't voted. I guess that would be
my initial concern. I think it's going to be for
every interesting what happens there, because for me, from what
we've discussed on this show, the problems of Totong are
going way way way, way, way way back. It seems
to go to go to see that doesn't work because
the roads you can't get anywhere.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Like.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
What they're left with is planning decisions that need to
be made years and years and years and years ago
and haven't been made. And I think the fix is
for very difficult. We're very hard to get around, extremely hard.
Every time I've done shows about this, I'm always surprised
at how unworkable the city is. It's something we could

(02:32):
talk about as well tonight too, so it's two topics
for a start. But my major thing I really want
to talk about tonight, and you'll not be surprised about this.
I kind of want to talk about zoos and I've
got a lot to say about them, because obviously this

(02:53):
talk about Aaruna park and the way the animals have
been treated, it just sounds it seems about a large
number of people have become whistleblowers, which is great, But
I think a few things come to mind for me.
One is, during the COVID lockdown, we all watch shows

(03:15):
like Tiger King and we all became aware of the
sort of people that get drawn to the world of zoos,
larger than life characters and big egos and all the
sorts of thing which kind of I'd never thought of
and set off warning bells to me. But you know,

(03:37):
I've never been to a runa park. I've been to
Auckland Zoo. I've been to Willington Zoo. I've been to
the New Plymouth Zoo. I've been to the n Vocabular
Animal Enclosure. I've been to a few of them. I've
been to Taronga Zoo and I'm not someone that is

(04:02):
obsessed about the rights of animals or animal cruelty or
anything like that. And for me, the views that I
have about zoos have been fairly slow to percolate. And
I've got kids, and I don't take the kids to
the zoo, though I did take them to wrong as
I haven't taken them the Auckland Zoo as a parent.

(04:24):
But yeah, I just think that as time passes, some
things that were considered a great thing are no longer
great things, and I would put zoos very much in
that category of things that time have passed. I don't
know why the Auckland councils involved with the Auckland Zoo

(04:47):
makes no sense to me, and it seems to me
the more I follow these stories that zoos and maybe
it's because they've fallen from favor that there've been. Maybe
it's because now that people aren't going to them and
they're big numbers, that maybe they've got some sort of
financial problems and that they're cutting corners or doing things.
But the stories from Irana Parks sound terrible. It sounded

(05:11):
like those animals aren't being treated that well. And if
the animals aren't being treated that well, then what is
the point, Because no child that loves animals is really
want to go along to get involved in a venture
where they are treated badly or their care is less
than optimum. And that's kind of where I've ended up

(05:32):
lending on this one. I think there's no point. It
doesn't even seem as that it makes much money. I Rana Parking,
it doesn't even sing as though it's that financially viable.
And if that's the case, it's not going to get
better anytime soon. If the experience is getting less and less,
probably needs to be closed down. I don't know what

(05:53):
you think about that. You might have been someone that's
gone to Irana Park over the years, but yeah, I
just think the game's up for zoos and people say
that zoos are great for protecting animals and conservation, but
I think probably a lot of those claims are they're

(06:14):
over exaggerated the benefits for zoos. I think zoos were
a huge thing in Victory in England when people travel
around the world and got animals. Before there were wildlife
documentaries and the likes of that, you could go and
you could look at animals and cages. It was extraordinary
wealthy private individuals had zoos, jip has. Even Governor Gray
had the Soong Kawar Island. He had zebras and he

(06:37):
had wallabies, and I think he had giraffes or elephants,
who knows what he had. But in those days, animals
were an absolute phenomenon, from the early days of colonization
in New Zealand that entrepreneurs brought animals across with two
of them around the country. You'd see elephants, you'd see lions,

(06:57):
stuff like that. But these days I can just see
no time for it. So yeah, there's a situation where
the Rana parks. I wouldn't mind starting the discussion about that.
I've felt no desire to go and see it. I've
never heard rave reviews about it, but I'm curious to
know what your experience has been there like that, and
if you see any point u zoos. I mean, I'm

(07:21):
not someone that's going to start protesting outside zoos and
says they've got to close them down. But I think
probably as customers and as rate payers in places like
Auckland and Wellington, we've got to try and work out
if these are things that communities should support and that

(07:43):
rate should pay for because I can't work out the
point of it, because there's never good stories that come
from them. I think it's probably much much better things
to spend the land and to spend the money doing.
But yes, I wasn't all surprised to see the stories.
I think TV one or one used one of these.
I think they have very good stories about that. And yeah, no,

(08:07):
surely it's probably quite hard to run a zoo to
get rid of carcasses and stuff like that, so some
of it probably was a bit of motive. There are
practical things, but if that's the business you're in, then
maybe it's not a vible business. Maybe if part of
the business you're in is getting hoists to remove giraffe

(08:28):
carcasses and dig giant holsey, maybe that's not a viable business.
That would be my take on that one. I know
that now there's sort of native park zoos where they
have birds and stuff like that. I even think probably
they're a problem. I know we've got a new Tuatara
enclosure and in Vicago, and I wonder what the merit
of that is. Last time I went there, I couldn't

(08:48):
see any of them. So anyway, get in touch if
you want to talk. Oh one hundred and eight ten, Matthew,
it's Marcus.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Good evening, Marcus just ringing about the Irana situation. Yeah,
being been many times and you just I heard you
haven't been, but it's a terrible to You just walked
for miles with the kids. I remember pushing the pram
for miles and you see nothing and the animals are

(09:20):
all behind and like they had the gorillas come in
a few years ago and that was a big attraction.
But they're just sad, these big beasts of animals that
are just like sitting there and yeah, it's a sad
it's a sad place. I think it's going to be
the closure of it will be the downfall of a
runa was it?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Was it because you live in Christ's Gym, have you?

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So when it first opened the seventies, it was quite
a big deal because I'd bragged around the line and
closure is that right?

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Well you could my wife, she's from christ Church and
I'm married a Kiwi, but yeah, she used to go
in the car. You could go in the car and
drive through the animal and the line enclosure in your
car and that was a big thing. But then they
all with Health and safety, they closed. They shut that down,
and then it was quite good, used to go and
feed the giraffes. But then they're put in barriers so

(10:13):
you're further away now. But it's just just a sad,
depressing place, like they've got these wild dogs that you
never see you. The rhinos look sad in their fields,
like they're just in this enclosure. It's just Yeah. The
only one of the good things is they've got great
trout in the river there, which you can't fish, of course.
But but yeah, I think it will be the downfall.

(10:36):
I think people will boycott it because it's. Yeah, it's
all I remember is just walking some miles and then
you get on that trail like this train thing that
can take you to the enclosures.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
But yeah, it's kind I'm kind of first dat by
this meth because I have Do the kids want to go?
Do they beg you to go? I mean, kids very
much aware of it. They think it's more exciting than
why are people going to it?

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Well, it was sort of the things you could do
when you had the young tackers, you know, you take
them along and you're you can get a family path.
I think it costs to pr to tickets and you
could go many times and often would go in the
afternoon and you could see them feeding the animals. But
that's the only time you get to see the animals
because when they come out for food. But I never

(11:20):
knew of the extent of the abharrent, like not cleaning
the enclosures and all that. What was on one us tonight,
it's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Do you think that what's happening is because the zoo
has become least popular but having got the money to
do the it is what we're seeing a sign that
the zoo has lost the love of the people. It's
not getting the money that you stick it. Is that
what's happening.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Do you think, oh yeah, and there's no one there and.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
It's not if there's no one there at financially doesn't
stack up, does it.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
It doesn't stack up? And like it's no As I said,
I think it's going to be the closure. Like com
from Sydney and the Torongas there's a wonderful zoo to
walk around. You can walk around and get the cable lift.
You get the ferry there and your cable lift up
and you walk down through the zoo and then your
very home. It's it's wonderful, it's got really good attractions.
But yeah, I think this.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Actually can't get the cable if did anymore, it's no
longer operating. I was there earlier this year. I was
excited about that. Yeah, you had to get the bus
up from the ferry and then you walk back down.
But the cable lift is gone. But what they are
building in there, they're building quite extensive high rise motels
within it. So the big thing must be Yeah, so

(12:37):
there's a big new flash accommodation which must be high
end spend the night at the zoo thing. That must
be the new income stream because seem to be very
much focused about bringing up new income streams and new
kind of you know, new experiences for people.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Well if you did that, if she did that a RUMI,
you wouldn't see anything. Just you just look at a
panic full of e equal matter that the keepers aren't
picking up.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
So is it not a zoo with cages? Is it
more kind of an open plan thing.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Of open plainy. But like you never see the animals,
they're always away, like they're just they're depressed, they're hiding.
It's it's an awful experience. Willow Bank's a lot better
because it's a lot smaller and a lot more contained.
You can sort of get around it within maybe an
hour and a half or so. But yeah, will around.

(13:27):
It's just I remember walking for miles, pushing kids, screaming
kids around. Yeah, and then wait, wait, head fifteen minutes
to get on the tram to go to the next exhibit,
and it's yeah, it was awful. It was awful.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Okay, nice to hear from you, meth I. Keep it going.
Zoos in general, and Arona Parkle zoos that do a well,
keep it going. Oh wait and eighty eight some good
texts and I'll get to those are Yeah, we are
talking about around a park. I'll be quite a curious
to know the background of the experience as well, because
maybe times of look and look, and I do know
it must be a hell of a challenge to run

(14:06):
a zoo in troubling times, but well, in difficult times.
But then again, you'd have to ask a question why
you're running a zoo anyway, That would be my take
from that. And if you really love animals, surely you'd
love them where they are, like in the continent they
belonged that would be my take on that one. VICKI
AT's Marcus Good Evening High.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
VICKI, Oh, hullo, Hi, Ma, guess just run a park.
I've taken my children out there in their thirties now,
but so years ago when they were little, we went
to run a park quite a lot because it wasn't
a zoo. It was a park, and the animals were

(14:48):
the giraffes and you had to come up to us,
and the kids would see them and they were friendly,
and the lions, and it wasn't a zoo, it was
a park, and the children were so able to be
involved with them. It was to me it was an

(15:09):
incredible an incredible place. And I think it's terribly sad
that something's happened to that gorilla. But I don't know
if you've got both sides of the story, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
No, But but these are the people that work there
that are talking, and I guess they are the ones
that you know if your staff are worried and they're
not if your staff are worried and they're not happy,
and they're the ones that are treating animals, and I'm sure,
I'm sure they've gone for their job because I love animals.
Then you've got problems, haven't you. If the staff think
that there's there's issues, that would be my take on it.

(15:48):
And I mean it does seem you know, it seems
like it's set out without cages. It's all fenced in,
and you know, it does seem to be park like.
That's the experience, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
Oh absolutely, yes, Okay you walk it or you're going
to carry on the line, but but yes, you walk it.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's not you know, why did christ Church? Well christ
did have a zoo. Didn't there a zoo in New Brighton?
But a private zoo? They've never had a public Yeah okay,
I wonder what the history of that is? That why
they've never had a kind of a proper ordinary so
that I've.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
The Brighton was quite famous.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
Oh why haven't I heard of it?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I had a crocodile.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
North.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It was called the North Beach. It was called a
North Beach zoo. Well, the christ Church North.

Speaker 8 (16:44):
Ah, yes, or lie.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I imagine from the fifties to the mid seventies.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Yeah, no, I never, I've never heard of that. I
don't like those, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I don't I don't like him. I don't like it,
and that appeared to be a better model for a
zoo without the cages.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
But that's why like I run a park. I've always
liked it because of there are giant panics. They're safe. Okay,
they animals die, people die, and maybe there is something
wrong here.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
But what's your what's your point of your whole life
if you've just been in a zoo to just entertain
humans and then your diet's kind so.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
It's a part what you do. Have you been to
Africa and you know they all chase each other and
coll each other. No, the animals, you know that's their food.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, yeah, I haven't been to Africa. I have been Africa,
but northern Africa. But thank you, Vicky. It's all about
the zoos tonight. Zoo zoo zoo zoos and get going.
If you've got to mention that or something eight hundred
and eighty and nineteen, particularly if you go there often,
if you're a great zoo goer, I'd love to hear

(18:05):
from you. I get some pretty good texts coming through too,
so I'll get to those before too long. In it's
markets good evening, welcome, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Thank you in that's good. Yeah. That zoo was in
Beach Road and I think it finished around about ninety
and eighty, well thereabouts.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh, this is the bright, this is the bright, last year.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Last century. In your speech it was Neil's Beach Beach Road,
just down just down the road from Marine Parade.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
It was seemed like it was pretty old school.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Oh I know the man there, an old father running it.
We used to calling their bikes on the way the
beach and these were the kids. And that was in
the sixties.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, one one five three beach one.

Speaker 8 (18:57):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, one five three that's right, yeah, one five three
Beach Road.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, and I think probably.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
He had he had he had a black leopard and
a and H line and he used to fare training
the black labor there just used to wander around the base.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Was the properly right right by the beach?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
No, no, no, no, it's the picture it's uh before
before the golf before I could I could drive you there.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
But I put I put, I put it the wrong
one on the on the Google I pulled up. Yeah,
I see what it is now, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
It was about three blocks up from Marine Braid you know,
I think it was somewhere near the garret. There's a
garage or something, but anyway around the park. It was
really good when they got a verse going, you know. Uh,
And you know, I think it's like everything that's happened today,

(20:03):
kids would be get more enjoyment they had to go
into a in a park and seeing that and doing
those things on you jelly phone.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
That's right, But I guess the animal's unexploited for your telephone.
I guess that's the point you're gonna think the animal's right.
So it's well, I'm hearing you Allison at S Marcus.
Good evening and welcome.

Speaker 9 (20:23):
Hello.

Speaker 10 (20:24):
Yes, I've never called a Rana parker zoo. I just
call it around a part wildlife, a wildlife park. I've
never actually called it a zoo. I never thought it
was a zoo. Actually, I just want to say used
to want to do it New Brighton and I think
they had a camel there, and I'm pretty sure that
when they closed that the camel went to Irana Park.
It's now died sesame because I went wrong there. I'd
never seen a camel, so I went to go along

(20:45):
to Ruana Park and thought Sesame. I do remember that
years ago.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I want if there's any camels in New Zealand. Now,
I hadn't thought about that. I don't know.

Speaker 10 (20:53):
I don't know now, no I don't. I don't know
that Auckland. Auckland may head them. I don't know I
would have.

Speaker 11 (20:59):
I don't think they.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Would have a camel because kids out into camels, are
they They're into elephants and pendices.

Speaker 10 (21:04):
Probably not. I had seen camels in Australia because I
remember going along went down and they put pointed out
to camels, but that said we didn't have one in
New Zealand, and then they did have the one at
your Brighton. And I just want to say I won't
talk about animals, but I do think their vehicles that
are ran a part probably need to be up greater.
Their vehicle is getting very old there, and I would
just say to people, if anyone's got an the old

(21:26):
vehicles that they could have donate them to iran A
Park to help them out. That's what I would say.
I mean, that's struggling financially now all this publicity is
not going to help them out. I've had lovely times
that I ran a part seeing the Cheeta runs. The
Cheeta runs are wonderful there.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm just going to ask you some questions because you've
lived in christ Church for a whild now yep? Is
that how you live in christ Church?

Speaker 10 (21:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
How long?

Speaker 10 (21:53):
How long in christ Church?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, you've been there all your life?

Speaker 10 (21:56):
Yes, all my life?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Okay. What's a Cheeta run.

Speaker 10 (22:01):
When they run? Well, for one, it's the side of
the thing. They have a thing and they try when
they run from one side over the thing to the
other end. And she children love seeing that just because
they run so fast. She does run very fast, of course,
and it's lovely seeing that.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
How do they get them to run, Well, they have.

Speaker 10 (22:20):
Something on the end of it, something some food on
the end of it, and they tie them and they
run from one side. I haven't been for ages to
see that, but it's a wonderful experience just for children
to see that. They and then they explain all about
the chedders. At the end of the run, the keepers
will come along and children can ask questions about them
and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, because I know that most zoos people love to volunteer.
Even at Taronga Zoo there was volunteers everywhere. Did a
lot of people go and volunteer and help out? And
I run a wildlife park.

Speaker 10 (22:48):
Yeah, I had a lot of volunteers and something a
lot of people that through the talks, they are often
quite there volunteers, the giraffe particularly, and yet the children
can ask questions about the food they eat, and then
they seed. They can have feeding time for the giraffe,
and then the Ryan offers another feeding for them, and
the right he's been man there, he'd been there for
years and explaining all about the Ryan Ostros. It's very interesting,
I tell you that.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
So and the Christians people always been quite proud of it,
have they? Allison?

Speaker 10 (23:14):
Oh, yes, definitely, I think so. My opinion is every
time I've gone out there, it's always interesting because there's
always different animals. I've never been out there when the
gorillas are there, because I don't know whether really you
have gorillas.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
In New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (23:26):
I don't know about that side of it there because
I sort of feel that that's not really New Zealand
and New Zealand animal gorilla is it that should be
in their own country preps? Perhaps they're going shouldn't be there,
that the line's good. Yes, and the tiger's good.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
Yeah, yeah good.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
You don't feel that, you don't feel the cheetahs feels
a bit out of the okay here, Okay, I think.

Speaker 10 (23:44):
So because they're more like the cat.

Speaker 12 (23:46):
I like that.

Speaker 10 (23:47):
I love the cheetahs, my favor.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I like you thinking there, Okay, thank you like a
big cat. What's a good point. We haven't got up monkeys,
We've got cats. I see where you go with that.
Someone says wildlife park equals another marketing term. Marcus. We
went to that zoit bright and new right in near
the eighties. It was horrific. There was a crocodile and
a concrete traffic couldn't move the large cats in these

(24:11):
small caves of the middle walls that wore rusty from
them spraying. My sister in law was sprayed by one
of them. Was just horrible and pleased it was shut down, Marcus.
Remember it's quality of life, not quantity that matters. Like us,
animals they had a choice would prefer to live a
happy life with freedom for say, ten short years, as
opposed to spending forty lonely years walking back and forth

(24:32):
in the same enclosure, going absolutely bonkers. You never hear
anything about Kelly Tartan's. I went there last century. Is
it still open? Oh, Kelly Tarlton's still quite a class act.
It's the penguins that are the key for Kelly tart
I think they can sell those around the world. Marcus
k new Brighton's wo had a black panther, otters, crocodile

(24:53):
and aquarium. Marcus, What a negative individual that bloke is.
The rhinos looked sad ever seen a smiling rhino. All
the animals were unhappy, and his kids grizz to no wonder,
Dennis Marcus. Our kids weren't very keen on a round

(25:14):
a park. They loved Willow Bank with the chalks and
ducks and eels and wallabies. We went through all the
time with a family pass. It's the interactive. It's the
interactivity that children like. That's why I think there's the
thing these days is petting zoos with a couple of
donkeys and stuff. Marcus I recalled Massy in West Aukland
nearly eighties had some sort of wildlife part with lions
and other savannah type animals. Last a couple of years. Sorry, Matthew,

(25:40):
are we making the zoo for people or the animals.
I would have thought they might appreciate some space. To
put it bluntly, for conservation as a marketing term, to
justify jailing up animals for their entire lives, just so
humans can pay money to go see them with children.
It's free, sad and epslite, depressing for every animal involved.

(26:02):
Circuses with animals have long gone. It's time for zoos
to also close the doors. Time to stop capturing and
holding animals, kept it for human entertainment. Someone else says
earthquakes affected it twenty years ago.

Speaker 12 (26:14):
Was great.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Someone says zoos aka prisons for animals. Kind regards lee,
So feelings and passions are quite strong. Pete Marcus, welcome,
good evening.

Speaker 13 (26:27):
The Marcus go regarding zooms. And then I like the
match because we got one here and you've come if
you've probably been there yourself. Have you one of the
bowl of book ones here? And you blimmouth?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Remember the chimp that the monkey escaped and they went
down to Pookaker Park and they shot it in a tree.
Remember that? I always thought that was cruel.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Wow, yeah, I know this.

Speaker 13 (26:47):
Is it happens owen And I think there's I think
one hundred percents safe out there.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Which means which means, which means, which means it's probably
a good case not to have them if you've got
to shoot them in trees when they escape.

Speaker 13 (27:01):
Ah, you have a look in the wildlife, you know
you I watched those YouTube clips and that's some times,
and you think, what happens in the wildlife, it's pretty cool,
pretty cool life for them. In the real life too,
they get detached one of the tigers and what even
some for survivals. But I think the zoos are good
for kids. We've got you know, one here and you plmouth.
We've got donkeys, and they got your pigs and all

(27:25):
sorts of you got the avery. And then I reckon
it's very good. You know, you can't stop everything, Mark,
I say, you know, it's everything's shutting down because of this,
and if you don't like it, don't go there. I
reckon they have their place before schools, and that they
want to take their kids. Sometimes kids they they haven't
got the opportunity to see them in the real life,
but at least they can go and see them on
the zoo.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, Pete, I kind of would challenge that because I
think we've never had. I mean, we've come through the
golden age of extraordinary wildlife documentaries with At and bra
you know, when they're hiding down. They've got the gorillas,
they've got the the tigers of the Serengiddy. I mean,
there's been some extraordinary work done on video of animals

(28:07):
in the wild which people can watch and do watch
and they love that, and I think that's probably a
lot more beneficial for people to watch rather than some
stressed polar beer pacing back and forwards, up and down
its cage the whole time.

Speaker 13 (28:23):
Oh it's not perfect, but they get pretty well looked off.

Speaker 14 (28:26):
They get probably speed better, they get it.

Speaker 13 (28:28):
Bet they get their regular meals every day. The poor
ones in the wild life they have there is they
have to really, they've got to contend with droughts and
all sorts of things.

Speaker 14 (28:37):
You know.

Speaker 13 (28:37):
I think they get a better life than in the
wildlife and sometimes and zooms.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
None of the polar bears would could because these two
have animals and circuses, and that's gone out. You were
you opposed to them stopping the animals and circuses like
doing tricks and things.

Speaker 13 (28:54):
Ah, that's not a perfect world, but they do get
looked after fairly. Well, I think you know, most people
got animals with the farms. Farmers, they look after their animals,
their cows and their pigs.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
And what, but they are breeding them to be eaten.

Speaker 13 (29:11):
Well you look at the look at the look at
the pigs and the piggeries. That's you even call that
being crawel too. We have them here and you plumbing.
We've got a pig walking around there, and it's good
for the kids to see it, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I guess, I guess we need to eat. I guess
we need food. We don't need to go and look
at animals and cages or in farms.

Speaker 15 (29:30):
It's mostly enclosure.

Speaker 13 (29:32):
You know, some of the zoos are quite cruel, but
they made the enclosures a lot bigger than they used
to be. I think I think that I don't think.
I've been the Orkland a few times at the zoo there,
and I think that the people and the who run
the Orkland Zoo, they make it. They do a pretty
good job of that. Got that crawl. The vets will
soon shut them down so they get spec a people.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well, no, I think, Pete. I mean you're on a
bit of a rent, but I think if you start
to be someone that works in zoos or zoo's zoo management,
then that's your career. Therefore, it's in your interest to
keep zoos going because it's where you're workers. The people work,
and zoos are going to justify zoos because if there's
no zoos, they've got no job. So yeah, I think

(30:12):
a lot of it is self interest. I mean they've
got on the TV. Oh look at us, look at it.
Look but you know, they make out they care about
their animals, but it's their career they need to. They
go from zoo to zoo. I think they get rid
of them all. Marcus. Going to a zoo is not
educational kids. They can learn so much on computer as
you go to a zoo and go, well, look at that.
Oh that's so cute, it's so sad whilst between paddocks,

(30:35):
between animals and wildlife parks and sheep, cows, authors goats
and a farmer's paddock, Bennie, that you could probably aren't
to that, Bennie, Marcus, I went to a run a
park last year, already enjoyed my time. They're apart from
the new Giller enclosure, the rest of the place looked
old and sad from a different time, very sad. Great people,
they're great volunteers. Do not go to zoos. Hate seeing

(30:56):
some of those poor animals looking sad. The lady talking
now sounds proud about those poor animals.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think it's interesting about the the cheetah run something
something I've heard of. Marcus. Auckland Zoo is amazing how
it raises the awareness of the habitats of most of
the animals is now under so much pressure from humans.
Most animals and the zoo now on the highly endangered list,

(31:26):
just like greyhounds no longer necessarily neither are wild animals.
The greyhound's a bit of a different thing. Marcus. We
went to the Singapore Night Zoo back in April. Wouldn't
bother again. Very average and I'm not too sure about
the animal's welfare. That's from Duncan. I think if your research,

(31:51):
a lot of zoos kind of have fairy, sketchy practices
in the background. They need to do that to survive.
But yeah, and I think when you saw those shows
on the American zoos, like that guy that was into
those not the guy from but the guy that was
into the elephants. I mean, he was bizarre kind of attracts. Yeah,

(32:13):
we'd people in those private zoos the questions. Someone said,
whatever happened to the lions and tigers? That park up
north somewhere? That was the Zion Wildlife Park in a
very troubled history. Of course, the originally had a reality
TV show about that, but then the guy got all
sorts of trouble. Then it was one of the people

(32:36):
there died. Then it became a wildlife century called the
Carmel Rod Wildlife Century. I don't know the situation then.
Now I think it went into receivership, and I don't
know the situation now. I think it's probably not going

(32:58):
or maybe it is. I think she maybe it is.
Someone let us know about that. Maybe there's tigers there,
I don't know, or lions or whatever's there a number
of lions. If anyone's got any more information about that,

(33:22):
I think it might be going through a restructure. In fact,
they've got a very complicated Wikipedia page that goes on
and on and on about what's happening there, and so
I can't digest all of it. So I don't know
if it's open now or not. Roger it's Marcus Good.

Speaker 16 (33:40):
Evening got a Marcus how are you doing good?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Thanks Roger Good.

Speaker 16 (33:46):
I was going to talk about the little zoo that
was out at you bright and years and years ago
that it was either I think it was a crocodile
or something and its various animals. But I had a
black panther there and I remember going with my friends
young and and it was leaning up against the wire

(34:11):
and closure and I actually put my hand through.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
And touched it.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Wow, you idiot.

Speaker 16 (34:17):
Yeah, the point is that you could actually.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Do that sounds pretty loose.

Speaker 7 (34:25):
Uh it was.

Speaker 16 (34:26):
And it didn't do anything either. It didn't spin around
or whatever. It just sort of looked to me as
if to say, try and do that again.

Speaker 17 (34:34):
See here you go.

Speaker 16 (34:35):
But you know, I was pretty young and stupid, but
a possibly not a lot of people around that have
touched the black pet throom.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Very good around, very good point, very good point. And
it's just like in someone's house. It was pretty kind
of low key.

Speaker 16 (34:53):
It was, yeah, like at the front of the place.
I mean it was just a a and then I
think it was ordered to close it down or something, and.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I would have imagined, so I don't think I don't
think councils like people having zoos and residential areas. I
think it's a good look.

Speaker 16 (35:11):
You have a black panther living next door here. It's interesting.
But you know there there aren't a park thing. I
mean I used to take my kids there. You've got
to like a season ticket.

Speaker 14 (35:21):
It was incredibly and.

Speaker 16 (35:23):
At the time I'd had a marriage breakup and I
would pick the kids up after school and we'd just
go there and grab something and eat and go around
on the on the little trolleys. They had mobile trolleys
and that. But to be honest, mate, when they bought
those gorillas and it was that I just I didn't
like it. You know, you stood there and looked at
these things and they looked so unhappy. It was just, yeah,

(35:48):
a sort of at home. And then you know the
other enclosures. I mean they tell me they have wide
open spaces at the back where they had branding or
swap them up. Sort of made me think a bit
different about.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, it's nice to knowledge the good times you've had
there too. Roger just cutting out of it there, But
nice to talk to you. Thank you. We are talking
about Irana Park, the country's only open Range zoo thousand
animals from ninety species. Think they get one and a
half from a million from the council each year. But

(36:28):
you know, they would have had tough time. I don't
know how the quake affected it. I resume the quake
would have affected it largely because people would have had
other things to do, like rebuilding their lives rather than
going to the zoo. And of course COVID also, But yeah,

(36:48):
and people talk about the the enclosures and I don't
quite know. They said Gerrina or Rangonta enclosure, but it
seems like one of those enclosures they've had that people
don't seem to be happy with. So we are discussing
your experience of Irana Park how it's been for you.
Is it just a situation Less people are going to
there now, so they've got less money, so they are

(37:09):
cash strapped, or is a thing that people have got
sick of? Or is it less as exciting, less exciting
that once was, or is a situation to it? And
I do know a little bit about this, but you know,
leisure activities for children are quite a big deal in
these days. There's you know, there's always people coming up

(37:30):
with new things whether it be sort of trampoline parks
or rope climbing and stuff like that. You know, so
you've got a lot more activities targeting families money for
those adventures, and maybe zoos have become passee. I imagine
they probably have, but I don't know.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I am.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I would be curious to know what you've got to
say about it. I have never been to Irana pak
so it's not a zoo I've experienced. But certainly the
people of christ Church, well, once upon a time, they've
really passionate about it. In the seventies, you know, when
christ Church had that Golden decade with the games and

(38:18):
a round a park opening up. But you know, I
was spoken to other people, it was always a bit
down at heart. It was always had a kind of
a sad vibe to it. So you might want to
talk about that mention that keep those texts coming through
to oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, and
I guess probably you got to start to work out
what is the point of zoos was always sort of
a Victorian exotic thing to go around the world and

(38:40):
bring animals and collect them. But like have an infinity
pool these days and if you look at the our
attitudes towards animals, from cop fighting to bear baiting to
all manner of things to circuses, you know, our involvement

(39:01):
in using animals for entertainment. There's less desire for that.
I imagine that Rodeo's will have a tough kind of
They won't be around in twenty years. Greyhound racing's probably
got ten years left, and I wouldn't be surprised if
horse racing goes in twenty years. I'm not saying Bennett,
but I think probably the appetite will go. Think about
horse racing. It was always there because it was one

(39:23):
of the only avenues for legitimate gambling, but that's changed
now with casinos and online gambling and stuff like that.
So yeah, there aren't the margins they once were in
horse racing. There's race tracks been closed down all over
the country, and part of that's to do with people
realizing they're not into watching animals for entertainment. I'm not
saying band racing. I enjoy it, but you know, you

(39:44):
go there these days to the racing event, apart from
the Christmas drink till you drop, there's no one there.
You midweek horse racing event. They're empty. Eric Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 17 (39:58):
Oh you're organized, Jette.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Can you hear me all right?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, loud and clear, Eric Marcus here receiving good to
hear from you.

Speaker 17 (40:08):
There was there was a bit of background of the
bluetooth headphones. I was just going to point out about.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Wellington.

Speaker 18 (40:17):
Here have got stare Lands, which is quite a cool experience.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Everyone sees that. I had a couple of ticks to
really it's up in the it's beyond Apperhart. Is that
right in the river Attackers? Is that where it is?

Speaker 17 (40:28):
Yeah, at of a bit of a wine road to
get there, and you got to deal with the Wellington weather.
But no, I was gone pressed because it's a full experience.
You it's spent a whole day out there.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I've only I've only ever heard good things about it.
What animals have they got.

Speaker 17 (40:46):
Off the top of my head, a lot of bird species.
You've got your piglets, stables with with those kind of animals,
and of course they've they've got there right up the back.
Oh Jesus, is probably more that I've forgotten. I've got,
I believe eels, some trout there that you can feed.
You can buy little packets of feeding feed. A few

(41:09):
of the different animals got waterfalls.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
It's really cool, man.

Speaker 19 (41:13):
Yeah, sounds.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
It's not like animals. Okay, yeah, okay, so it's not
like it's not like tigers and lions. It's just animals
like eels and stuff in a good environment were can want.
It sounds fantastic, Yeah, it is actually.

Speaker 17 (41:29):
Yeah, And they've got the sort of historic kind of
feel with the old barns and stuff like that, and
the big open fire going and I think you take a.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Little ride on the back of a tractor to the
old school.

Speaker 17 (41:42):
Yeah, Wellington is depressing going to the over there, seeing the.

Speaker 19 (41:46):
Sun bear and.

Speaker 17 (41:48):
Yeah, some of the larger animals you can tell they're
not happy at all day.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's a bit of a well you always Yeah, it
is depressing the way, and there's never good stories come
out of it. There's always terrible stories about the animals
that's happened. But yeah, that's good to hear from that. Eric,
we'll talk more about staggling. I've always heard good things.
It's been around since the seventies. Established by John Sinister
in nineteen seventy two in the beautiful Acatado of Vellinie, Wellington.

(42:16):
He grew up as a born in rural England, loved
to be alone in the woods and fells, watching animals
and bird life. So it's kind of a whole experience.
Sounds lovely. What do something similar myself? Thirteen past nine,
Aaron Marcus, Welcome?

Speaker 3 (42:34):
How are you?

Speaker 11 (42:35):
Good?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Things erin real good good good?

Speaker 11 (42:37):
You're good good?

Speaker 20 (42:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (42:39):
Either say those are they just awful places? I mean
your mouth's autistic. Animals in the prison because it's not
what I meant to be. I mean to be and
open in the wild, they're not They're not meant to
be there. And I have I'll call animals, you know,
for my mate. That's how I get my mate. But
I don't talk to them. And let us been tortured

(43:00):
living in those places?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Have you and have you always felt that? Like did
you do zoos as a kid.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
I'll be honest with you, and as this was a
story I've always wanted to say. When I was a kid,
I lived in christ Church. I grew up in christ
Church and there was this awful little though I went
to when I was seven years old and New Brython.
I don't know if you remember the one I don't
even remember what the name of it was, but I'll
never forget the side of the crocodile there that they

(43:31):
had in this tiny rezon you Biden. It might have
been Northview Bidon and it used to live in a
bathtub and it just lay there and I thought this,
and even then, you know, it's just that's awful, but
not made to run around in twenty ankles or even
forty acres of space. So I made to run around
the thousands of bakers, you know, and it's just cruel.

(43:56):
I think it's cruel. I mean, if you want to
go and see animals, you can see the one with me.
You can get it, see of David Edinburgh. You can
do what you like and study them and do all
the rest of it over the internet.

Speaker 14 (44:06):
You never else.

Speaker 8 (44:08):
You never used to be able to do it, apart
from going to a zoo or watching a TV program.

Speaker 18 (44:14):
But no, you can.

Speaker 8 (44:16):
I think that's just extent. They're not neighbors and they're
not wanting anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
The weird thing for me, I've always thought is that
places like the Auckland Council run the zoo, which I
mean it's quite you know, they put a lot of
effort into it. It's you know, it's always yeah, it's
always exped seven. I think it's prohibably priced for certain
schools and certain areas and stuff like that. You know,
I can't quite work out what they're about. I don't
know why if they're running a zoo, wore they don't

(44:42):
make it free for all the school kids. But it
just I can't work out why, why councils or the
Auckland council whatever, zoo makes no sense to me at all.

Speaker 8 (44:50):
Well, the only reason they can is because we've found it,
and I think it was a zoo. It doesn't exists
on its own merit and actually safes people, you know,
purely paying or purely paying for itself. They wouldn't exist,
and that's the thing, and.

Speaker 18 (45:05):
That's the problem.

Speaker 8 (45:06):
I don't in classes with Torana Park. You know, they're
crying out for funding, but it's mainly because no one
wants to go there anymore. I think the attitudes has
changed a lot, and that's why they're not getting what
I've heard you speak. Before the earthquakes, I don't think
they had much to do. Well, it might have, or
I think even COVID might have as well. Where it

(45:28):
might Yeah, I probably got closed down, but I'm johny. Well,
sure they might have got the COVID sublidy for that,
But I just think that people actually honestly are interested
in them. If you want to go and see a deer,
come and hunt with me, Come and see attack, Come
and see a deer, Come and see a pig. Of
the world, it's magnificent.

Speaker 18 (45:47):
It's them.

Speaker 8 (45:49):
Have you been around a park?

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Have you been?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Have you actually is your name and anagram of Irana.

Speaker 8 (46:01):
Walking on?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Well, it might be were you?

Speaker 14 (46:06):
Are you a.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yees get yeah, which is weird?

Speaker 8 (46:13):
And my gosh, have you been?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Have you been to a runa pack?

Speaker 8 (46:18):
I didn't personally have a cared, but I took my
son there when he was seven because he wanted to go.
It was extensive to get on and he's fifteen there
my son, and even back then, you know, it was
really expensive, like the whole day out with petrol, FOD
and everything else, and we took our own FOD. It
would have been about forty forty forty five dollars. Yeah,

(46:41):
and there was you know, it's just a to be honest,
it was really nice to see all the animals. Don't
get me wrong. They're beautiful creatures. But he said, he
said one thing to me that's always stuck with me.
He said, Daddy, why they caged up? I can't they
get out? And that's always stuck with me. And I

(47:02):
tried to explained to him that we're able to roam.
But yeah, I just I think the idea is just
of having us though, like you said, it's Victorian, it's old,
it's not needed anymore. And this is coming from someone
that's quite right run, a very right wing, and I
just got them so awful.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Wow, the right wingers don't like them.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
No, I don't like them as whole. Just let the
animals be let them, let them just go, you know,
let them be in their own place. I mean, sure,
if you don't see a sanctuary, get us to an
arn't you go somewhere like the Auckland Islands, go to
the chat of Islands, go anywhere like that, and you
can see our species. And it's magniver to see them,

(47:47):
like the cares in all the and stuff and things
like that.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Nice to hear from you, Aaron, Thank you. Oh one
hundred eighty ten Eightian nine. And I guess a lot
of it's probably just tastes have changed. Yeah, but I
can't speak about the Irona Pack experience. I haven't been there.
MICUs Stagglands and the Akatara was west of up a
huge land, huge farm land and you can walk through
feeding animals by hand. Staglands is good, someone says Marcus

(48:15):
Staglands is awesome. And the Akatara as I went there
as a kid nineteen sixty. My parents knew the owner
at the time. Great animals were free to rome. So
much more happens at zoos in the New Zealand than
public thinks.

Speaker 21 (48:30):
They do.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
So much for conservation work. Awkard as a massive key
incubation program for example, that public don't know about. I
think the upland Z who is always pretty quick to
raddle the PR machine if it's TV shows or stories
they're doing. I don't think they are people that go
about work kind of Yeah. I think they're pretty keen
to play on their conservation credentials, and for me that

(48:54):
would be a criticism of them. I think that they're
probably using that to justify something which is which I
think is probably done. It's dash, but you know, their
reckoning will come might be in ten years time, probably
with ben Auckland, that'll become too valuables land for houses.
And what about telling the warehouse shops into supermarkets, like

(49:16):
not just bits and bobs, little bit there, but go
all in. That's what Steven Tindall's planning to do. Buy
them back and turn them into the third supermarket like
an Aldi they keep going on about. So you'd have
your Woolworths, your pack and Save New World, and then
you'd have your warehouse supermarkets. It's a really good idea

(49:39):
because it's a race to the bottom of the warehouse
anyway now with everyone buying anything for everything from Temu
but food. You can't get that on Temu, So get
into the supermarkets. It's a great idea. It'll be a
lifesaver for the warehouse. Sell your shares, I'd be doing it.
I think they're telling shareholders not to sell. Never quite

(50:00):
sure what that means when they're saying don't sell. Hello
Bennett's Marcus good Evening.

Speaker 18 (50:05):
Yeah, one might be onto a bit of a winner
because you look at like Walmart in the US when
I was a kid, You've put these You've got full
full supermarket in there. You've got your clothing huh, you've
got your clients is you've got a bit of the

(50:26):
why stuff. You've got a bit of everything in one place,
and it's great. It's like the warehouse is at the moment.
They've got this little supermarket area. But it doesn't sell
everythinking on yourself, no.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
No.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
It's not. It's neither use nor ornament. I kind of
had a bit of a wander around and it's not
big enough for general shop and not. Yeah, I don't
think it works.

Speaker 18 (50:48):
Yeah, well, I think they need to remove a lot
of this little little nifty stuff that they have in
there that you can just grab a team or get
a k Mart, get rid of all that, and just yeah,
increase the size of it, maybe to take up half
the store so it's a full supermarket and then yeah,
you at your cove and you've got your appliances all

(51:09):
this other stuff. But and then make it also like
online deliveries quick and collect all that sort of stuff.
So you might be on a bit of a winner
because it works well in the uress in other parts
of the world.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Because I think if they don't do that, it's going
to be a slow fail, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (51:26):
Well like to be honest with makeus. I'd stoptopping at
the warehouse and you know, give them my clothes off
team who's saying quality for a quarter of the price.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, okay, it's interesting. How long have you been doing that?

Speaker 19 (51:37):
For Ben?

Speaker 18 (51:39):
For about a year and I was a bit septical
at first. There are a couple of items just to
see how they work, and lo and behold quality pretty
much to stand as long as I can get at
the whehouse, So I reckon they might be on to
a winner. But it don't take a lot of investment
and planning.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Does the sizing and everything work out or right for
you at Timo?

Speaker 18 (52:00):
Yeah, well it works great because I can get the
size I want. Quite often I go to the warehouse.
They don't have myself on the or if they if
they do, it's not on the right color on team.
I pick you know, my color and my size. It's
all there to my door. The quality is great, like
it's better than the key Maart quality, and it's on

(52:20):
with the warehouse quality.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
What's the key to buying clothes on t.

Speaker 18 (52:29):
Look for the particular item you want and just yeah,
scroll down. I just put cheapest highest and just scroll
down don't normally put the cheapest one, probably middle range.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
But but it's not it's not it's it's not branded clothing.
It's not like Levi's or stuff like that does it.

Speaker 18 (52:51):
It's not like you Nike or anything like that. You
can't get Nike stuff off there. But it's it's similar
price the Rebel sports and when they have a sale,
so I would have bothered. But general clothes, if you
just want T shirts, signs, pans, shorts, ye know, I'd
just jump on the ears. Like I said, the quality
is the same, and if it riots damage, you just

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take a photograph and the refunds in your back in
your cavel for twenty four hours and you can buy
a yin or choose not too. So it's pretty quick
and easy, like your customer service to get through. Okay,
you're talking online, you get tight, but it's a lot
quicker than trying to ring the wheehouse and talk to
someone on the phone. You know you've got a customer

(53:35):
service online. I think sort of forty five seconds that
you can talk to and quite often you don't even
need any proof. I'll just do it. If it's under
fifty bucks, they'll just do it.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Any bad experience with it, Ben.

Speaker 18 (53:52):
I think the only bad experience I've had was when
he's been like shipping delays, so like there's been a
big storm up nor from there. You know, you might
have to allow an eaxtra week, so normally seven to
ten days, but sometimes up to two and a half
weeks on the weather. But no, there's only one time
I've had a complaigin and like I said, the money

(54:12):
was back in my bank was in twenty four hours.
I just chose to.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Rebuy are you a smaller size.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
On?

Speaker 18 (54:23):
Along with that between and large and the xlay. Normally
when I go to the shop, you had medium and
you'll have EXL. But sometimes it's very hard to get
a large or sometimes very hard to get an Excel.
But they do all the way up to sixes L.
So it's great for anyone that you know, big people
that need to each sizes that normally the warehouse and

(54:45):
he goes up to like two Excel or three Excel,
So great for anyone that needs biggish for us.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Nice to talk me and thanks for that, Marcus. Aaron
fails to see the RNY in the statement just let
them be free. Maybe they would be if he hadn't
conquered a good chunk of habitat, if we had conquered
a good chump of habitat for humanity, not somewhat support
the local businesses, is he? Well, the local business is
just importing the same clothes anyway. That's the thing, whether
it be the warehouse or tim who the clothes are

(55:13):
coming from the same factory. Happening. Also, want to talk
about the situation with totalng You've got a new mayor.
What's the challenges for Mahe Drysdale. I think he's got
huge challenges, huge challenges, and of course you're just one
vote amongst thirteen in a council or twelves at twelve

(55:35):
or thirteen, there's not a lot you can do. And
the extraordinary management skills I think that he would anyway.
By the way, some stuff about Biden. The Simpsons predicted
it when Lisa round in that purple suit. Yeah, that's happening.

(56:06):
Some of the other news about that. Trump has questioned
if Crooked Joe will remember he dropped up out when
he wakes up. Well, they do wonder about the wisdom
from Trump telling you tell e ifone not to vote
for the older guy during the lecture is too old

(56:27):
to be and now, of course Kamla she's fifty nine.
So yeah, don't vote for the older guy. It's going
to be interesting anyway. There you go, Marcus tim who
clothes are not good. A lot of polyester came out

(56:47):
of warehouse are better. Clothing is not good for size.
You've got the wrong size on Timmy. You have to
send it back and wait for your order again. Don't
worry about the zoos, think about the Bobby Culfs. They
only have a week on earth. Mm hmm. I think
we have the capacity to worry about more than one.

(57:09):
I think we can worry about the zoos and discuss
the Bobby Calves. It's not like worry about one thing
you can't worry about something else. That's what the humans
have the ability to do. Has ponned as several different
problems at once. I didn't hear the national anthem. I
don't know why. I mean, I'm a bit sick of

(57:30):
the rents about the national lengthem. I thought the one
was quite good that drunk woman did, the one before
the All Star show on the Baseball I thought she
was quite good value. Anyway, I don't think it's been
a successful career thing for her. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty minus five overnight rug up warm, rug up warm,

(57:56):
Queenstown and Warnaca tip to go sub zero twice or
minus five Warnica minus two, Queenstown minus two. Good evening, markets, Marcus, Welcome, good.

Speaker 12 (58:14):
Evening and welcome to you. You know here the viral
river bar locks up in the floods for the towns there.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, the council is supposed to maintain. Is that what
they're about, the saying that they were there at fault?

Speaker 12 (58:27):
Is that right now? Have you got a computer in
front of you?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 12 (58:33):
Okay, go to the ok Otakey River.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I'm already here, Adam, I'm already there.

Speaker 12 (58:43):
At Tidy River Straightening nineteen forty one.

Speaker 11 (58:46):
Yeah, I'm on it.

Speaker 12 (58:48):
Yeah. Can you see that the big dreadline tail. It's
a rustern bsyrus across three eighty two thousand paounds and
it was there for several years, and it worked for
Otakey Fork below the bridge right to the sea, and
that the ridges on the side of the river about
one hundred yards apart, was there for at least twenty

(59:11):
five years. That they were gradually taken away by people
wanting spoiled for all sorts of industrial requirements. But the
river is still straight and it doesn't have a bar.
And that's the o taking river.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Now, how bendy was it?

Speaker 12 (59:28):
I think it was braided all over the countryside. The
water the river was braided in different directions and it
was just very swampy for about two hundred acres.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Why did they do it? They did it because it
was blocking up and flooding back or what was the
actual reason?

Speaker 12 (59:47):
Because the river was it was wandering all over the place,
and I wanted to reclaim the good land, and they
got mob Samble got us in and it was taken
from me down to the down the South Island south
of Dunedin and used on the the mouth of the cruiser.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I think, okay, what was the machinery mark?

Speaker 12 (01:00:12):
What was the machinery called a risdom view cyrus drag line?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Could you say that a bit slower rushed on view.

Speaker 12 (01:00:22):
Cyrus drag line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
It's a great word there.

Speaker 12 (01:00:29):
If you can get that on Google, and I got
it the other night. I just couldn't believe it. I'll
just dial this happen. See what well we're very concerned
about what's happening at wir Or because the flood went
right that through the city. But of the flood that
they had just recently.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Copy that, Yeah, I heard the mayor talking about I
mean a lot of I mean a lot of houses affected.

Speaker 12 (01:00:52):
It's not god no, when they see they had to
get permission from the Hasting District Council and that was
not forthcoming. So local drag local digger drivers went ahead
and tried to do it. But they finished. The three
big diggers bogged in the jingle there in the river.

(01:01:16):
Now okay, and anybody who's got a computer, they just
go to Otaki River nineteen forty one drag line Action
and they'll have it at least an hour's entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Oh goodness.

Speaker 12 (01:01:36):
And it shows shows how the drag line moves along
the river very slowly by lifting up platforms and sliding
them around on rails to the direction in which it
is traveling. Because the only travels about ten to fifteen
feet a day. The bucket does about a four cubic
meters and it goes at about one hundred and fifty

(01:01:59):
meters across to the other side of the river and
then it's dragged in the river and you will see
the trains through the buck and then it grift job
and it drops the spiral in a ridge.

Speaker 22 (01:02:13):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 12 (01:02:14):
On the big drag Rne, it's about one hundred and
fifty feet tall. The other one is not quite so tall,
and it's got a big box from the outside, like
a room off a house, and that's full of ballast.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Nice to hear, Mark, Thank you appreciate that. Seventy away
from ten Marcus, slightly off topic. Sorry. It had a
great week in Australia and Auckland last week guiding a
school group from Australia here for the World Choir Games.
Well won competition, bringing thousands of visits and does the city.
Well run event with venues right around the city and
plenty of great singing and color. Thoroughly enjoyable few days.

(01:02:53):
Plenty of groups traveling around other parts of the Upper
North this week. Awesome closing ceremony on Saturday night at
Spark Arena. Marcus, my uncle accidented a panther escape from
a ran a wildlife park back in the day. Hasn't
been the same since. Cheers Pete. So what's your experience
often to Irana Park. Has it changed the same? Is

(01:03:16):
it different? So I would like to talk about tonight
I Rana Park because it's been a big investigation by
TV one over several months about the park. And I
would say there's no surprise about this, not because I've

(01:03:36):
been there inexperienced, but I think people are falling out
of love of zoos and likes of that, and then
therefore I think probably their viability becomes less secure. The
vehicles look shot and the staff say they're scared, had
been injured on the job. So it just seems to

(01:03:58):
be a cash flow problem to me, But not enough
people wanted to go there. But then you want animals.
You know, when animals health and when animals conditions suffering,
that's a worry. Hello, Nigelt's Marcus.

Speaker 9 (01:04:10):
Good evening, Good evening, the young Marcus talking to zoos.
Have you ever been in the animal zoo? No, the
human zoo at Forsyth Fi Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I've been there a couple of times, but never in
the zoo. I've always been at the I guess you'd
call it the southern side the would the zoo be
the western side?

Speaker 9 (01:04:33):
Yes it is, Yes, it is where the students go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah, I'm familiar with I've only ever been at the
southern southern side and all my trips to Kara's Brook,
I was always at the other side. Also, it's I
never experienced the zoo there.

Speaker 9 (01:04:46):
I see. Did you come down for the first All
Blacks Ossie bletters Low Cup game to Kara's Rock with
Kerrie Wadham.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
No, no, I went to Kearra's Brook and I think
it was about two thousand and when did when did
Mitchell start coaching?

Speaker 7 (01:05:13):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:05:13):
I don't know now, Marcus.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I saw them play the Irish in about two thousand
and one and then I saw them. I went for
about four or five games at Karasbrook.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
M h.

Speaker 9 (01:05:28):
I didn't think you're into rugby a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Quite like just like the spectacle of sport. And I
loved Kearrisbrook. I thought there was a terrible day they
got rid of it. I thought Forsyth Bar doesn't compret
forsythe Bar in comparison.

Speaker 9 (01:05:45):
I see, I knew, I knew you hated forsythe Bar Stadium.
I thought it was because you spent a lot of
time living in Auckland and Eden Park. Bigger and bigger
events and oh, Eden.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Park, Cambridge Tree, Swam, Eden Parks and Swam eating packs
a hell of a place. God for sake, you surmise
too much. Now Can you think you can know what
people are about? You've got no idea?

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
Hey Marcus, you're there?

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Where I else would I be?

Speaker 19 (01:06:24):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:06:24):
I thought you'd cut me off. What I was going
to say, Eden Park. I've never been to an event
at Eden Park. I've been pasted, it's all. But you
were saying when you come up for the fee for
Woman's World Cup and Derneden last year, you thought it
was pretty poor. The you know, the entertainment leading to

(01:06:46):
the stadium. Well you would be comparing it with Aakland,
wouldn't you, Because.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
No, no, no, no, I wasn't comparing it to anything.
The council right, yeah, had it on that that a
fantastic match on the doorstep, that a sellout at forsythe Bar.
People were made for the football ferns. They said they
had a fan zone going from the octagon to forsythe

(01:07:12):
Bar that you could walk. There was one group on
stilts that was one of the most poorly organized, and
I thought, you know, this is the stuff that I
thought Dnedan was good at it was. I don't know
who the New Mirror is, but it was one of
the most underwhelming things I've ever experienced. Dunedin's should have
been ashamed at the event they put on. It was pathetic.

(01:07:33):
I felt quite strongly about it because I thought, well,
this is you know, this is on a plate for Dunedin.
You know they struggled for tourists. The airport's miles and
everyone seems to fly into Queenstown instead. Here it was
they they did nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, because I can't argue
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
But the match itself was good for Yeah, where else
would I be? The match itself was a good Forsythe
bar was good. But I like the walk from the
octagon down to down to south of there, not past
the railway workshops. I loved Karrasbrook, see.

Speaker 9 (01:08:06):
What you mean. But the end result of that soccer
game would have been a bit of a disappointment for you,
wouldn't I the New Zealand girls last.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Was it an little draw that the win? But it
was a little draw, wasn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:08:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:08:21):
But we last didn't We.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Didn't we didn't qualify but yeah, but you know there
was a good experience for the kids. They got to
school the next day. Craig ats Marcus, good evening, good evening,
here's a game this evening. Good Thank you, Craig.

Speaker 11 (01:08:33):
Yeah, yeah, it was in your last corner and call
our frown white kiddo. So I sort of you think
I preferred Hamilton Stadium, but once you go to Eden
Park there's something sort of measures maybe out they play
that just something really.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:08:45):
Well, the amount of good test matches have been over
there over the years, it just says it sort of
do you say, sort of intergeneration things that happened for people,
so they're quite I find it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah, people say I think has always been bitter for
old cricket. There's been some great when they had that
dumb the World Cup in ninety one, I think it
was it was insatial, there were mark great bench and
setting the ball around. But yeah, I've been driven a
cricket there, but I don't think it's good for rugby.
But that's just a personal opinion.

Speaker 11 (01:09:14):
Yeah, well, we do have a good stay in n
Hilton for the cricket that a lot of times it's
used for.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
But Oh it's very good, isn't it close to town? Handy,
nice pastoral like it.

Speaker 11 (01:09:24):
Yeah, And then we had like the super the eight
cars what from Australia doing the street circ and Hamilton
and the last a few years and people's got upset
with it. So the count the end that's selling all
the stuff were any like five percent of what they
paid for it. So I think we only sold like
a few million. It cost us quite a few millions,
so that was kind of like a bit of a
bummer for that one. But getting onto the warehouse, I mean,

(01:09:44):
I think when you need to or they need to do,
is make themselves some sort of point of difference. Like
you've got Kmart and tom and all these other different places.
But I think if they start doing a supermarket or
something else, just because them a little bit of an ash,
and then you're going to get people they go, well,
you know, the daughter might want to go and get shoes,
of them won't want to go and get some DVDs.
And one might want to go and get some shopping.

(01:10:04):
You can just do it all in one's place. So
there's so many competition. Edit nowadays fell like came and
and all that sort of stuff. I think they just
need to give them something that's a little bit point
of difference that it's going to make them stand out
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Really, I think, well, I don't think people have got
much loyalty to Peck and Save or to New World.
So are you a new player comes along, are they
like Tiny Tendall or Stephen Tendall there be.

Speaker 11 (01:10:26):
In yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, it's the thing. I mean,
there was a lot of people will probably go, oh,
I remember years ago when used to go there and
the head cook really good deals. So if they got
to sleep in the market, they'll go there as well.
So you might get quite a big in rush to
start with people going and what's all this new thing?
But then after a while that may go off of it.
But yeah, if they can do something that's different, like
do you say, the Walmarts in America they have pretty

(01:10:46):
much everything for families, so just like a one stop shop.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Have you been have you been for Walmart?

Speaker 20 (01:10:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Well you've traveled.

Speaker 11 (01:10:54):
Ah, oh it's good, You've got your your groceries. You've
got it's kind of like how would you say, kind
of like warl worst and and might make it all
the one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
It's a rather park, the warehouse, and the new mayor
of tott On are just one Just two percent of
people voted, So don't complain to me if you turned
out to be a dud or your rates to go
through the roof, because you have you've got to vote.
Marcus always buy my kids play clothes, toys and five
dollar eggs from the warehouse. They say twelve pack because

(01:11:29):
often you can buy a ten pack of eggs. Will
be an eight pack next, Marcus. I visited a Ruda
park last year. One of the gorillas sat with his
back to the crowd, facing the court of the indoor enclosure,
like it was depressed and ignoring everyone. Purpose That was
awful to see, and I felt sorry for the poor thing.
It seems as though it seems as though the gorillas

(01:11:53):
have been the real downfall all not the downfall. People
seem to really have sympathy for the gorillas. Don't seem happy.
How do you even get gorillas? Does the aucklandso have
I don't know that they do. I don't know. I mean,
I don't know what animals have what, But yeah, there
we go, gorilla. I always get my gorillas in my
orangutangs mixed up, so I've always got to google them

(01:12:15):
to see which is which. But the gorillas have got
the big heads, haven't they? The big strong foreheads? Where
was the orangutangs have got their heads that look like
a coconut. And the orangutangs are from Asia and the
gorillas are from Africa. There we go Equatorial Africa. So
I'm glad I've sort of that up for myself. But anyway,

(01:12:36):
that's what people are saying. Marcus. Fascinating video footage on
the on the book a wrist drag line. I couldn't
find it. The video is talking about with the straightening
of the river. But it'd be sad old company if
we straighten all the rivers, I thought. But that's maybe
what they need to do. So there we go, the

(01:12:59):
warehouse becoming a grocery chain. What about the zoos? What
about the zoos? What's the point? No point anymore? Over time,
before long they'll all close, and that just chapter in
history will go, those hundred years of keeping animals and
cages and you here, it will probably be a thing
of the past. New things will come along. Now I've

(01:13:21):
got climbing walls and tramboline. But who knows what it
will be in fifty years time. Because we got the
end of the marine land. Remember there was marine land
at Napier. I think there was one at Mount Monganui too.
I don't think anyone wishes that come back. They've done
their dash. Was it what I think these countries head

(01:13:44):
the country had marine lands?

Speaker 23 (01:13:45):
Didn't they?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Was it what at Mount Monganui? I think so? Someone
will tell me. But we decided it was probably wrong
to keep dolphins and small arm cages, and before long
they'll realize it's probably wrong to keep the primates. HMM

(01:14:07):
opened in nineteen sixty six on Motoriki Island. From sixty seven,
one hundred dozens of marine rammels, as well as Chimney's
alarm As, Wallaby's care posits and ferrets closed in nineteen
eighty one. Marine animals were relocated to Napier's Marine Land.
There you go, Mount Monga Nui. Marcus. We went to

(01:14:28):
leisure Land Mount Monga Nui on our honeymoon fifty years ago.
I still have an ornamental shell with a glass dolphin
on top that I bought there. We just stay? Where
did you go?

Speaker 23 (01:14:41):
From?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Where did just stay? Marcus? On sea creatures seen as
I have vague memories of visiting a marine research facity
at Portobello. Just have this memory of a shark and
a small swimming pool. Oh, we took the kids last
summer there. We thought it was excellent. There's some fantastic Oh,

(01:15:02):
it's fantastic. There's some fantastic kind of recreations of it's
like a it's part of the university lab and it's brilliant.
Kids loved it. I can't remember too much about it.
There's fish, there's octopus. It was great. Well I don't
think know if it's opened that often, but it was fantastic.
Kids really responded well to it. I can't fully remember

(01:15:24):
what the animals were. Octopus and it was great. It'll
come back to me. Yeah, well worth going to and
that's the thing it should be. Something like that was
great because it was just sort of it was incredibly
science based, as opposed to the zoos, which is entertainment
kind of masquerading as science. Marcus is SeaWorld in USA

(01:15:46):
is still a thing after Blackfish. What was Blackfish? I
kind of recall that, but you might have remind me
about that. I have a big glass mug from SeaWorld
I inherited from my great grandmother who went there in
nineteen eighty three on Sell and two Goods Coronation Street tour.
And he love going back and forward to the Coronation Street.

(01:16:08):
O'ds Elwyn do good the things we saw. Anyway, Marcus,
we went to leisure Land Mountain mong and we on
our honeymoon fifty years ago. I still have an ornamental
shell with a glass dolphin on top that I bought there.

(01:16:28):
We just stay, Where did you go from? Where did
just stay? Marcus on Sea Creatures said, as I have
vague memories of visiting a marine research forcit at Portobello.
Just have this memory of a shark and a small
swimming pool. Oh, we took the kids last summer there.
We thought it was excellent. There's some fantastic Oh, it's fantastic.

(01:16:54):
There's some fantastic kind of recreations of it's like a
it's part of the university lab and it's brilliant. Kids
loved it. I can't remember too much about it. There's fish,
there's octopus. Was great. Well, I don't think I know
if it's opened that often, but it was fantastic. Kids
really responded well to it. I can't fully remember what

(01:17:15):
the animals were octopus and it was great. It'll come
back to me. Yeah, well worth going to and that's
the thing it should be. Something like that was great
because it was just sort of it was incredibly science based,
as opposed to the zoos, which is entertainment kind of
masquerading as science. Marcus is SeaWorld in USA is still

(01:17:37):
a thing after Blackfish? What was Blackfish? I kind of
recall that, but you might have remind me about that.
I have a big glass mug from SeaWorld I inherited
from my great grandmother who went there in nineteen eighty
three on sell and two goods Coronation Street tour. Wow,
I didn't he love going back and forward to the

(01:17:58):
Coronation Street. O'd zeln do good? The things we saw? Anyway,
let's hear from me if you want to talk about
any of these things or some of these things, none
of these things. Marcus s till twelve, looking forward to
your jumping in bits tonight. If you want to be
the charity to give the old call up of a

(01:18:19):
kick along. You might been to Irana Park recently. How
was that for you? By the way, there are new
photos released of Prince George, who's eleven today. It's his
first time in long pens. You know how the rules
are really funny about putting kids in long pants, Well,

(01:18:39):
now this is his first photos in long pence, I think, George, Alexander, Louis,
Dave Marcus evening. Welcome, Hi Dave.

Speaker 19 (01:18:49):
Oh yeah, Hi Marcus. You're talking about the movie Blackfish. Yeah. Well,
I'm surprised that you didn't know that you've never heard
about it because I saw her on Marie television a
couple of years ago, and it was a documentary about

(01:19:09):
dolphins at various American seaworlds that rebelled against their masters.
Really and that and no, sorry, that was that was
the killer whales. They were they and they attacked their
masters and in some cases intentionally drowned them underwater because

(01:19:35):
of the conditions in which they were kept. And that
was a very interesting and extremely terrifying because a lot
of the footage was what was taken off of their
masters being intently dragged underwater by the killer whales.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Well, okay, it sounds like it sounds like something that
we quite but did they think that all the all
the Orca decided independently to turn on their owners. Or
it was more than one, was it.

Speaker 19 (01:20:13):
There was more than one? Yeah, because they all have
a kind of intertelepathy tell the whales okay, yeah, it's
really it's almost it's almost like something from out of space.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
And since then, since then, since then, they've closed them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
All, have they.

Speaker 19 (01:20:41):
No, not in America, Not in America.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
So SeaWorld still a thing.

Speaker 19 (01:20:48):
Yes it is, Yes, it is. But they've got new management,
they've got new routines, new dolphins. They in most cases
the seaworlds have a gate which goes directly out to sea,
so they can release them out to see if they
need to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Okay, so so are they free to go and they
come back?

Speaker 19 (01:21:13):
I think so, Yes, I think so. And you did
you know about the Auckland Lions for FIY Park and
Messy Ya know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I had, I did go there.

Speaker 19 (01:21:26):
Yeah. I also went there myself and they also had
chimpanzees as well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Seemed weird because you're just at the back of the
Seven West Talk and we had an old car we
took out there, and then there's lions. They didn't seem
to be I mean it did. It didn't feel like
the Sea and giddy did it?

Speaker 19 (01:21:47):
Well, No, not really, because you know there's lions walking around,
you know, next to a state half.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, that's what it felt like to
me actually too. You wonder who I mean. But for me, Dave,
since I saw those shows like Tiger King, you see
what sort of nutcases want to own animals like that?
I mean they, I mean, the people in America that

(01:22:17):
own these exotic animals, they are crazy.

Speaker 19 (01:22:21):
Well yeah, I mean, but it's all, it's all, it's
like it's like something out of the Joneses. You know,
I've got a line and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
You haven't, absolutely.

Speaker 19 (01:22:34):
Because you know you can also own an orangutang as well. Yeah, yeah,
I mean do you remember do you remember the movie
Every which Way but Loose? Yes, East were walking around
walking around California with a with an ape, you know,

(01:22:54):
and going to bars and drinking beer. That was a
great movie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Also, and I go on, but I also remember in
my time to Dave, and I think as a kid,
to Zoo's pretty full on for me, you know, they
stank and they're noisy, and I never enjoyed my time
at the Zoos, but I remember we went there at
in the standards at school. You know, we all went
to the zoo, the Auckland Zoo, and of course the
first thing the teacher does was lights up a menthole
cigarette and throws it at the chimpanzee, and the chimpanzee

(01:23:25):
picked it up and smoked the cigarette. But in that
way that children smoke cigarettes, where you're sort of like
you're hiding. It was a pretty powerful image. But who
would have thought that was a good idea to feed
cigarettes to the chimpanzees. I mean that should have been
a warning probably that we shouldn't keep animals in cages
forgot them hooked on cigarettes. That's crazy. And then that

(01:23:46):
poor panda be that walked up and down. Someone said,
what about the lion park at Para Para in the
sixth He's got no idea about that. You might need
to tell me about that, Mark's I went to the
mountain monganu Hezo about fifty two years ago. Have a
photo of me shaking hands with a monkey. It has
a red top on Marcus. I remember as a child

(01:24:11):
biking to the iron pot Wolf and Napier and taking
our catch of hearings caughtnett to marine land every Saturday
for the dolphins staff wade our fish and paid us.
My friend and I then used to play Space Invaders
and buy a feed of fish and chips and save
the rest about twenty dollars every time each Back in
the eighties regards Darren great memory, I had no recollection

(01:24:32):
and I don't think anyone's ever told me about the
Linesafarry Park and of Tai Hunga or in Parapamu on
the Kapiti coast. And it's not even a place I know,
So if someone could tell me more about that than
where that was, I've googled up o Tai Hunger and
now I can't see where it's come up on the spot.
But yeah, they had it, and it closed in nineteen

(01:24:53):
eighty two, and I don't even know. It seems to
be just across the road from the car Museum. So yeah,
I got no recollection in that mind. I hadn't been
to work. Oh that's where It's just like the name
of a roundabout now, But yeah, there was a line
Safarry Park there and it's Marcus. Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 17 (01:25:17):
Hi Marcus.

Speaker 21 (01:25:19):
I'm short and sweet. I think that anybody who captivates
animals or mammals in any way and locks them up
for people to walk at it. It's just simply spiritual
war on animals.

Speaker 24 (01:25:35):
I am.

Speaker 18 (01:25:36):
I know.

Speaker 21 (01:25:37):
I rested in Rcawea one day that was stranded on
the beach. Had to dig it out of the sand
and sit it up and wait for the high tide
to come in. And my children were singing to it,
and what we were singing and saying to it, it
was mimicking to us. It showed us its spirit and
true form and to let it go free. A year later,

(01:26:01):
when the whales were coming back up through the coasting
in this one whale swim in and orker whale and
dived up out of the water in front of me,
doing a big act and swam back to its part again.
It was the same whale that we've rescued. They are
really intelligent.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yeah I doubt that. Yeah, most I ever think they
put whales and like parks like those sea worlds and stuff.
That's crazy.

Speaker 21 (01:26:33):
It is crazy. It's just spiritual war on animals. They
need to be in their environment to be themselves, just
like we do. We've got spirits and so do the animals.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I don't disagree. Cool man yea, thank you, thanks for
coming through, and there we go. Laurie Marcus, welcome, Hi.

Speaker 25 (01:26:55):
The Marcus you. I can remember going through that line
park there by our dry hangar back early eighties, and
it was all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
To take the care quis did.

Speaker 25 (01:27:10):
Yeah, well only it was only have my son at
the time. I felt it was a bit intimidating because
you'd drive around here, these things were on the loose
and we only had a Honda Civic, the big buggers,
and there was all these you know, they hadn't tidied
up that well. There was dead kettle carcasses lying around.

(01:27:33):
While I sort of originally got on to it, you know,
I was I was working with land and survey, but
this the the park had put it out. They would
look advertising around different farms if anyone had any dead stock,
they would come and remove them and take them down there,
and they did. Sometimes they didn't even break up the carcass.
They just sort of drag them in and let them

(01:27:56):
come in and munch on them. And yeah, it was
a sort of fairly rainy, sort of dull day. We
went in there and it was really quite grotty with
these bloody carcasses about these bloody lions pacing around looking
at you. You know, I mean you sort of realized
if they really wanted to give a pet on the window,
they could sort of take it out. But I didn't

(01:28:19):
like lasted long after that from memory.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
That was because because I'm thinking it must be a
big thing to get to get the food.

Speaker 15 (01:28:28):
Ah, I mean that must be yeah, yeah, just feed.

Speaker 25 (01:28:32):
There was good at least half a dozen of them
strolling around, and they weren't little ones, say, but they
take a lot of feeding here.

Speaker 19 (01:28:40):
And if you.

Speaker 25 (01:28:42):
Be quite a lot of costs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
But you drove around in your car, they didn't put
you in a cage. It wasn't one of those ones.

Speaker 25 (01:28:49):
No, no, no, you just went through the through a
gate and paid somebody something and then you just drove
around this trailer in your car. And these things we
were walking around loose, uh. And they didn't seem to
be many people keeping much of an eye on things either,
So ye're pretty unrestricted.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Hey.

Speaker 25 (01:29:12):
The other thing, just if you I did find the
old drag line thing of the Otechi River, well it's
well worth a look giving give it. For an old
film that walks sort of walking drag line, it's most impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
For what's interesting about it. I try to look for
it but couldn't find it.

Speaker 25 (01:29:29):
So is it it's on the na what do they
call it? Vision side? Yeah, yeah, just the whole setup
of dragging deepening the channel of the river. They obviously
bought them in from the States and probably quite impressed with,

(01:29:49):
you know, building the big hydro schemes over there, probably
from the Green and Coolian places like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
But I have something to it's a thirty minute recording.

Speaker 25 (01:29:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's very detailed. Yeah, but
it's it's it's a good quality. You know, they've on
on pretty good film.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah, okay, super super okay, yeah, Hi, yeah, okay wow.

Speaker 25 (01:30:12):
But I regularly photograph for the Greater Wellington Regional counts
of the aerial photographs of the Otechi River and like
and eye and some of those others for the flood
protection guys keeping an eye on the channel. So but
they still do, you know, work on the openings from
time to time. But you know that stretch of the

(01:30:32):
river there, I hadn't realized that that's how it was
originally straightened out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
And that was a quite beandi before that, Larry.

Speaker 25 (01:30:39):
It must have been near as to say that they've
got these very large banks each side there now, but
it obviously had caused significant problems for them to to
get you know, a rig of that size down there.
I mean, because you know that that region of sort
of horticultural land that was probably you know, regardless, pretty

(01:31:00):
valuable and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Straight in the river. It's not going to go well
be again, is it that? What that's its final path.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Isn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:31:07):
Yeah, although that it can't fill up basically, and I
think periodically they do you know, cross sections and profiles
of of of sections sort of from almost from the
gorge on on down. I mean I've probably photographed down
a reels of it probably eight a nine times different years.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
And that's that's embarrassing. Larry. That's right on your that's
right on your bend, and you didn't even know it
was there. That's the watch that. Yeah, that's that's pretty good.

Speaker 25 (01:31:35):
Oh yeah, No, it's been a stunning, stunning film for
for the Times, yeah, and the.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Some.

Speaker 25 (01:31:44):
It's quite funny that these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Facebook Dan just say for you know, just say if
if by chances is of interest to you been to
watch this Dan or Tacky River in the drag line.
It's called a nah that's the.

Speaker 25 (01:31:59):
There's a couple of funny ones who were were people
are coming down and inspecting it, and they're on the
other side of the river. I think the operators sense
that that he the bucket across too it plunges down
in front of them, will run away.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
We'll laughing, laughing a video on a drag line. Laura, Yeah,
good stuff, thank you. There's Laurie heading most of the points.
Fancy just feeding the lions, just dead animals off farmer's stock. Goodness,
getting people who want to talk one him as Marcus.
It'll twelve twenty two to eleven zoo zoo zoos. Marcus.

(01:32:38):
We live in Kobe, Japan. They have just opened a
new dolphin whale park. Super small training then music, yadda yaday.
Are so sad, but that's Japan with sea life, apart
from that lack of recycling. We really like it here.
Nice being back listing and have a good night, Marcus.
We went to the Oata Hunga Oa Tai Hunger Lion

(01:32:58):
Park and mother in law open the car window because
you're at warm Russell. Do you even know if there's
still a zoo outside Hamil and I remember taking my
son in the mid eighties. Seemed a large farm like here.
I know Hamilton's got a zoo, Marcus. I went to
Greenland only once. It was me and tears where I
saw the small pools for the dolphins. Kelly Tarlton is

(01:33:19):
awful for the penguins too. We'll never go to these
places ever again.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Or a zoo.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Love your show, Debrah from Nelson Marcus. I remember Marineland
and Mountain mong Nanui. They used to have a chimps
tea part in after it you could have your photo
taken with one of the chimps. One chip was Norady
got away from his keep, reclimb up a tall pile,
wouldn't come down. When he did come down, the keeper

(01:33:46):
twisted the chimp's ear, and that was the chimp. We
were having our photo taken with. The chimp kept staring
at me even though we're having our The chip was
staring at me, even though he was being held on
a chain by his keeper. The next thing, he grabbed
my hand and bit me very hard with his big
yellow teeth. I had to go to have his tetanus jab. Goodness, Marcus,

(01:34:09):
the docor the general was talking about the orcast was Blackfish.
I did watch this was deeply upset. Get in touch
Marcus till twelve Good evening, Carol, Welcome, Oh good evening.

Speaker 26 (01:34:19):
Marcus. Just would like to tell you two stories to
do with Lion Parks. I was absolutely terrified both occasions,
and I think one of them may have been at
the Kepty Coast Line Park for going back a lot
of years. But we were with a car club. We're

(01:34:42):
actually in a sports car and I'm not sure yes,
And I was interested to hear the earlier gentlemen speak
about how the car he was in. Well, this one,
I was absolutely terrified. For whatever reason, we were put

(01:35:03):
in like they put us in with some body else
rather than taking our own car in. So here we
are in the sports car and you can imagine it's
low slung, so you sort of feel as though you're
eyeballing the animals and the chap driving. I mean it

(01:35:26):
was someone that, apart from being in a car club,
that didn't really.

Speaker 9 (01:35:31):
Know that well.

Speaker 26 (01:35:32):
And I had that person's little girl sitting on my
knee in the front seat. Well, what added to my
terror was that she kept winding the window down and
I kept winding it up. I was absolutely petrified because
these animals, and it makes me think it was the
one down the Kepiti coast here because the animals were

(01:35:55):
walking around. There was an official vehicle and that I
sent to record a couple of guards with looked like
they had rifles or not ever low sung, but because
just drove around. And yes, I found it very scary,
I think, And.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
I guess it closed in nineteen eighty two. Is that
timing would fit with your experience of it?

Speaker 18 (01:36:19):
Would it?

Speaker 5 (01:36:19):
Well?

Speaker 26 (01:36:20):
It would Yes, I'm wondering when it was opened, because
I think I might be sinking back to the seventies.
It was either there or Hamilton Way possibly, but I
had an I'm just.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Looking at Facebook. It says old Wellington Region the Lion
Park was like an oak i hunger ode. The park
was closed in nineteen eighty two. You're a parody. Complaints
about poor conditions of the lions and management problems, right,
But I'm just to see if I can see when
it opened, just taking what was the other story you had?

Speaker 26 (01:37:01):
Well, and I'm thinking back and wondering about my own
wisdom at the time. But when we had a family
and we were in a hard top car. The thing
with the sports car story was that it was soft top,
you know, and seeing the line sort of jump up
on I think one of the vehicles or it jumped

(01:37:22):
on something and I was criky, you know, it could
jump on this. But anyway, the other story in a
Persia so it's hard top car. Had the children and
the youngest just a baby, and we drive and I
think this was my first experience actually, and I'm thinking

(01:37:45):
it could have been Hamilton Way if there was a
line park in that vicinity, and I would be thinking
back to the end of this well, early eighties. But anyway,
we drove in in convoy. I had no idea what
to expect, and that again we drove around and out.

(01:38:07):
But what terrified me was that baby started crying, and
of course I wanted windows up, and it got very
hot in the car, and all I wanted to do
was really get out. If I could have broken, you know,
from the queue, I would have driven out. But you
had to kind of follow the.

Speaker 9 (01:38:26):
Route.

Speaker 26 (01:38:27):
I think sort of, you know, stay alone with the others.
It seemed safer to stay with everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Anyway, It just doesn't seem to be a very good
thing to do. No one seems to want to do
they to do a line pack just thing. It just
sounds a very good idea to drive in with them.

Speaker 26 (01:38:44):
No, well, I was absolutely petrified both times, and I
don't think I ever want to do it again. But
the soft top these sports go on. That was with
the little girl. She didn't matter how many times I
wound up that window, she kept winding it down. You know, Well,
you can imagine what marquis of car club?

Speaker 11 (01:39:05):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
You belong too?

Speaker 26 (01:39:08):
Do I have to say?

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Well, let me guess. I embarrassed to have how flesh
it was. It wasn't Rolls royces An MG club, was it?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Yes?

Speaker 26 (01:39:21):
It was something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Yeah, that's right. That's why I visualized Carol. I visualized
you in the MG soft dop going with the Lions.
I'd never do it.

Speaker 26 (01:39:30):
No, well, I certainly. I mean I'm a lot older now,
there's probably a lot wiser. But I do recall that
I had no idea at the time what to expect.
But I'm pretty sure they told everyone to keep their
windows up. I mean that seems just.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
There's the trouble with car clubs. You've always got to
find somewhere to go to the end of your trip
apart from a pub, don't you They always looking for
places for the car club to go because you're in
your cars and were you going.

Speaker 12 (01:39:58):
To go to.

Speaker 26 (01:39:59):
Well, actually, some of the places that we've got my
husband sort of belongs to some think more than a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Of Oh okay, so I should I should. I shouldn't
be rid about because you're right into it.

Speaker 26 (01:40:11):
Okay, yes, no, we're not really that active. Health issues
have gotten the way. But I feel that I've seen
parts of the country I would never otherwise have seen
and been to, you know, sort of the experiences and
the people that we've met, and then people have come

(01:40:32):
from overseas. They've been one or two events where people
have come bought their cars over and they've traveled through
the country and you know, people joining the convoy and
so it goes. So yeah, it's you know, it has
been a great experience actually belonging to a couple of

(01:40:55):
the car clubs.

Speaker 22 (01:40:56):
Anyway, nice, cal thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
I'll tell you what. Every time we do pubs of
the White and Upper there's always car clubs that they
always go to them and have always great conversations about that,
so I am grateful for the car clubs. Nice to
talk to you. Thank you, oh, Simon as Marcus. Good
evening and welcome. Hi Simon.

Speaker 27 (01:41:14):
Yeah, go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:41:15):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Thank you Simon?

Speaker 27 (01:41:17):
Yeah, good good. Hey. I used to work at the
Yorkland Ionsafarry Park and Rental's Road out By a few
years ago, well quite a few years ago now, So
I used to be a gatekeeper, so we had double
gates and yeah, so I started off there and then
I got to become a warden where you feed the
lines and like a big shark cage, and so you

(01:41:40):
had to flat panel them at the top. So your
whole ideal was to get as many people in the
in the park as possible obviously to watch the feeding,
and your flat panel them. Saw the lions would come
on top and you'd have a couple at the back
as well. But you had a couple of shoots at
the back, and there's a big red mark where you

(01:42:01):
really really shouldn't overstep, which I did and I got
grabbed by one of the lions, Daisy, who was a
lovely line line there, so I should sday and she
took my finger, which it's all got bixed up and
worked out, but they were treated very well, the lions
and the tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Did you lose your finger?

Speaker 27 (01:42:24):
Now, I didn't lose it. No, I had to go
and get basic surgery. It's still not a hunting but
it's not too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
When you say flat panel, tell me about that again.

Speaker 27 (01:42:33):
When you have to hold the meat on the top
of the cage because the rooms are quite quite small,
so they had to rip the meat out for your
flat panel it. So you hold your hand flat obviously,
so they can you know, basically rip it out of
the of the top of the feding cage. And you

(01:42:54):
had two shoots at the back where you can just
throw the loose meat because you've got a lot of
hungry lines and everyone's they're all kind of they know
their routine, they know who goes where, what goes where.
So the males got fed last kind of thing because
they drifted behind. They were a little bit lazy. So
you shoot, you just throw them out and the shut

(01:43:16):
for them.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
What was the meat.

Speaker 27 (01:43:21):
Horse mate of horse and goat?

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
And how how big was the herd?

Speaker 27 (01:43:30):
It would be twenty four it's called big a yeah,
yeah it was yeah, yeah, yeah, So we had to
go down and train all the cages, you know, and
the mort first thing in the morning, we'd just we'd
moved them around. You wouldn't want to get out of
your car if you were, And we had a lot
of people that did that as well, you know, wanting
to get close ups and take pictures. So we were

(01:43:52):
at ward and painted and black and white zephy as.
We were driving around or courtenas from those days, and
all we had was a little twenty two b begun
kind of thing. But we had we had no trouble
at all with them, you know, yeah, we had no
Who owned it, I'm not too sure, but he also

(01:44:12):
bought gorillas down as well, and they did a gorilla show.
I can't remember who owned it. His name escapes me
to be there markers.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Because I think that's where at the place where they
filmed it was where in the end they end up
filming Zena was it? It was the same place on
Red Vale Road. That's right, Red Hill's Road, isn't it
that they began the film studios? How did you get
the job at the line packed Simon? What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Did you just?

Speaker 27 (01:44:35):
Well, we were living in Tower techy and my mum said,
you need to get a job. I was about nineteen
to Slift school or eighteen, just left school, and so
she took me up there and I was just you know,
just the gatekeeper initially, but then I turned into a
warden after a little of training and that type of thing.
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 19 (01:44:52):
It was lovely.

Speaker 27 (01:44:52):
So we had lyons and tigers there.

Speaker 19 (01:44:55):
Wow.

Speaker 27 (01:44:56):
Yeah, well it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Crazy and they were fairly happy. It was a big
space for them. It was done quite well, was it,
Yes it.

Speaker 27 (01:45:06):
Was no, it was yeah, yeah, no, it was done
very very well. And they're all they're all healthy and
they were just lyings, just lying in the lying in
the sun and doing what they did. They loved the affel,
of course when we bought the affel down for them
in a trailer, but now they were very happy. Yeah,
absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
So what happened to it in the what happened to
it in the end, Well, I.

Speaker 27 (01:45:28):
Think a lot of the lines got shifted to another
park which was in Teato.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Because that became leasent Land, like the foot Rock Flats place.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's that's it.

Speaker 27 (01:45:43):
Yeah. But I had cubs. I had cubs in my
in my room at home. Yeah, a couple of cubs.
They needed to be looked after a little bit closer.
So I looked after a couple of cubs, which was interesting,
and a plenty.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Of people tuned up. I mean it was it faded
or people. It was busy.

Speaker 15 (01:46:03):
It was busy.

Speaker 27 (01:46:04):
It was busy because we had go karts as well,
we had zoom and slides. You know, we had a
few other extracurricular stuff apart from just the lions, and
we had quite a lot of I think we had
antelopes and not not buffalo's but you know, as you
drove down to the line park on the greenery, there
was a lot of a lot of cattle down there

(01:46:25):
as well, so kids can see them and that type
of thing. We didn't have drafts or anything like that.
But yeah, no, it was very good.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
And how long how long did it last for?

Speaker 27 (01:46:37):
Well, I think about ten twelve years, okay, and then yeah,
I'm too sure what happened to the end, because I'd
moved out of I'd moved I've moved overseas by then,
but so I'm not too sure it is actually what happened.
But yeah, foot Rock Flats you're right. They went to
the a lot of lines went to put rock flats
and they cause them there, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Yeah, really appreciate that. Tomon. Great to hear from you.
Thank you about talking zoos and lion parks. Somebod used
to write a book a film about the lion packs.
It'll be some great footage out there of it. There
was extraordinary, had so many, I mean before I think
from our discussion tonight, Yeah, it seems as though there's
someone sent me some shots of the orangutang don't look good,
looks sad. But yeah, that's the thing that people seem

(01:47:22):
to be most upset about, the kind of the way
they are. Your pat It's mark is good evening.

Speaker 7 (01:47:31):
Hello. I had to tell you the story that happened
to us. We were visiting family over in Perth and
they took us to the zoo because I hadn't been
to a zoo before. And anyway, we were lined up
outside the lion cage and I had my little box
brown and my husband was standing beside me and I'm
right up close and the next thing, the line.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Peed on us.

Speaker 7 (01:47:52):
Goodness, you decided we've gone off lines and we had
to sit in the back seat all the way back
to rocking up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
I can't imagine that would be nice.

Speaker 12 (01:48:02):
It wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:48:06):
I didn't think very much of that. So it was
very gruffy looking.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
They just seem they seem to be unloved after one
and they seemed to sort of. It seems like the
owners start them with a great deal of passion, but
the passion kind of goes.

Speaker 7 (01:48:19):
It does, it really does, and the animals look uncred
for and the cages were small. And hopefully they have
redone it or improved it, because it's not a good
idea to have animals shut.

Speaker 20 (01:48:33):
Up like that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
And where was it? Was it south of there or no,
it was in perse city in Perth itself.

Speaker 7 (01:48:41):
Yes, I don't even know whether it's still there. It
was a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Appreciate that. Thank you for that. Keep it going through.
By the way, I've said a rangutans, I think the
gorillas now at a round of parks and there you go.
We've got to get that one right. They are gorillas.
I told you I'm bad with my gorillas versus my orangutans. Yeah,
the gorillas are the really regal looking ones. But why
they what did they think they have them there. What
the history of the gorillas is. I suppose you kind

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of got to get a pr stunt to get things
to go. I mean a lot of what a lot
of what zoos it's all about, is all getting stories
in the papers. A new giraffe, baby giraffe, born light.
They always love the good stories. Abn't love the bad stories.
It's just next size in pr isn't it Zoos? But
get in touch if you want to talk eight hundred

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eighty eight eighty nine to nine to the text ten
past eleven Graham Marcus welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
Yeah, you greetingson south and then you'll talk about zoo's
rewarding everything runs experience would be nearly twenty years ago
at the Rollington Zoo hand fed Rokan the tiger under
the supervision and by invitation, and you know, it's quite impressive.
He's got currently a pretty mild personality, but it doesn't

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like to keep us going near his his two girlfriends
at the time.

Speaker 14 (01:50:07):
But I had to.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
I was invited to walk down the sort of pathway
behind an armed plate glass screen and step in front
with the on the keepers and we pressed watching the fringers.
Of course, some hunks of meat and also some months

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through a mess girl to message cause and it very
placed as anyone I wouldn't want to get her on
the wrong side of but for a tiger, I thought
he was pretty well demanded and that was a great experience.
Actually he had a smelly breath too. He's obviously didn't
his test pace.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
How did that come about?

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
I was, I was visiting with a group and this
guy just picked me out of the crowd and he
just said, would you would you like did you if
you dealt with wild creatures?

Speaker 19 (01:51:08):
Before?

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
It says you have dealt with great watch but you've
got to know. You got to know what you can
do and what you can't do, and they keep yourself safe.
And you know, I'll give you a quick one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
I won and we'll go and g Graham, how did
you dealt with great Whites?

Speaker 11 (01:51:21):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
I have yet. Buy's got them protected. They're my favorite
creature of all time. There's there's a series.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
If You Feed Great Whites.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
I've chat from half of the heads over the side
of the game boat and one came a part. I was,
I was sort of but I had more time, but
got them proticted. And there's about three enough thousand in
the world, and I'm very proud to have played.

Speaker 14 (01:51:52):
A part in it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
But by doing what by feeding them?

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
Did you did you getting them, getting them declared a
predicted species here first, and getting Jack fening Ben too.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
You've been an advocator of that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
I've been being with a bit of a pioneer.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Oh go you, Graham. That's good. I'd love to hear
more about it sometimes. But yeah, okay, thank you. Lisa's
Marcus welcome.

Speaker 22 (01:52:20):
Oh just sorry, this is a lot of acrostris. At
the time we went up to the Aukland Zoo because
the three kids, boy was five and the girl was seven.
I think from memory this was about nineteen sixty nine,
and we're talking with the Alkoran Zoo and if you
get rides on the elephant, they had a sort of

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like what they called the how the wooden frame on
the elephant's back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Oh yeah, it was what do you reckon?

Speaker 26 (01:52:47):
It was called.

Speaker 22 (01:52:50):
Howd is it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
I don't know. I look it up, but I wouldn't frame.

Speaker 22 (01:52:58):
H O W D A H. I think anyway, they
had five kids sitting on one side and another five
kids sitting on the side something like that. Back to back,
and the keeper would walk the elephant around the zoo
for a few minutes a year to come back and
get them all off again. Anyway, Yeah, so I had
a film footagellette A lost them there, of course, but yeah,

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so that was great. But what actually happened was I
think it was about a few months later or maybe
a year later, in nineteen seventies, something like that sudden
clown made a noise or we whacked the elephant's leguas
they're going to took off and ran away, and all
the kids were screaming their heads off, and anyway, they

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got it back under they got the elephant back under
control again, but they had to stop doing that. They
weren't out a vacab the kids any more rides after that. Okay,
when you say that was I think it was now
nineteen seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Seems when I first went to the zoo there was
someone riding up. I never saw it again. They would
fit in with my They was fitting with my with
my timing. So I just can't work out what the
thing is to hope, did I know that's the guy
that rides it. I don't know what you ride the elephant?

Speaker 22 (01:54:11):
Yeah, I think it's an Indian.

Speaker 14 (01:54:16):
H O h O.

Speaker 22 (01:54:18):
Tell you the A H something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
That's coming out. Yeah, hold a seat for riding on
the back of an elephant or camel. Definitely with a camera.
You got that one right spot on.

Speaker 23 (01:54:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:54:32):
And the other thing was to the guy that before,
was that they working at the Ryan Park and west Auckland.
This is about twenty years or more later or something,
and it took we took the rangine from the grands
say there this time, and he was about about three
or four years old. We took him through the Lion

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Park whether he had to keep your windows shut, and
then we went into the other park where they the
anti lights and the goats and whatever animals are in there.
So they said you could take you could take you
one down if you want it, but it was not advisable,
but of course we did because it was a really
hot day. And so we were driving through. It was

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the window down and I was sitting in the dark seat.
The wife was driving, so I was sitting in the
dak seat with a grandson. Next thing, the camel appeared
and he stuck his head right through the car and
got it. So when you see Campbell's head only five
inches away from your nose. That's a hell of a size.

Speaker 14 (01:55:32):
Wow.

Speaker 22 (01:55:33):
And the poor grandson, he was screaming his head off.
Campbell didn't seem to want to get out of the car,
so I whacked it on the nose. Probably not to
be a thing to do, but anyway, took his head
out there, and so we had to leave a had
to leave a line park. After that was a little
fellow was to his kid and upset.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
How's that now? Is he recovered?

Speaker 22 (01:55:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, he's grown up now here.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
Good night you thank you. Nice to hear from you, Liz,
Stephen Marcus.

Speaker 23 (01:56:00):
Hello, un beneating. May I've seen them here, But several
years ago I went to the Auckland Zoo and lots
of people must have seen it, and I'll never forget it.
They had a hole over there in the bottom of
a great big pit and it was piecing up and

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down like a paved slight excuse a caged lion. And
I felt sorry for it, absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
It was terrible. It would take it would take eight steps,
it would swing its leg then turn around to that
day after day after day. And it was kind of
a green color too. It was terrible. They kept it
there for so long, so disturbing.

Speaker 23 (01:56:43):
Yeah, and it must have been hot down there, because
there's no although it was all open, there was no
cool breeze to cool the air down on there. It
was a long way down and I felt sorry for
that over there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
And Stephen, I think that is most of our people's
anyone over fifty, that's most of their opinion of the
orcan zoos. How badly they treated that polar beer for
so long.

Speaker 23 (01:57:10):
Yeah. Well I was quite unpressed, not favorably though, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
No I like that use of the word impressed you.
I was impressed negatively as well, Stephen, thank you. Eighteen
past eleven, Gareth Marcus.

Speaker 15 (01:57:24):
Welcome Marcus Gareth from Perth to the spigre.

Speaker 18 (01:57:28):
To you again and better catch you speak to you.

Speaker 15 (01:57:32):
Yeah, there are a few things up in regards to
just had to clear a few things up. Sorry about that, Marcus,
school time to apologies. I just had a clearly a
few things up about the Perth Zoo. Oh it was
probably maybe twenty Yeah, that lady just spoke spoke before

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probably maybe twenty thirty forty years since you last died,
went there. I think that zoo is a world class zero,
absolutely world class. Yep. It's got awards for its ringuting
enclosure and then a number of them are just absolutely stunning.
It's a bit sou in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
Gareth is is that the zoo? Is that the zoo
actually within Perth, within the city.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
Yep.

Speaker 15 (01:58:20):
It's on the south side of the river. Yep, right
in the middle of the CBD yep, right in there.
It's absolutely brilliant. Anybody comes to birth highly would recommend it,
which is good.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
Gareth, Is that one that's owned and run by the council.
Is that the way it works there?

Speaker 15 (01:58:35):
That's it, That's exactly it. You're onto it.

Speaker 19 (01:58:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:58:38):
They charge a fortune for parking too, to make a
beautiful revenue out of all the parking around the zoo
to it.

Speaker 14 (01:58:46):
But you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
You're not involved with it.

Speaker 15 (01:58:51):
Absolutely not. I've just obviously been living in Perth so
eleven years, twelve years coming up in August, and it's
very expensive, about one hundred and twenty months to take
your family. Profound wow wow. So it's a premiere experience
and then you can do add on you know, feed
the various animals. So it's yeah, but it is worth it.

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If anybody who's coming over to Perth to visit, and
obviously Rottenes Islands, you just go one on. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
What are the top five rotten rottenest the zoo? What else?

Speaker 15 (01:59:26):
Oh, you probably won't even go to the zoo because
there's so many bitter things than that from the honest market.
The pinnacles. Uh, you know the rock formation there ancient
rock formation that they that people can't even really explain,
you know, So that's incredible. Anyway, All good, Oceans's let's

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not worry too much.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Thanks so much for that. Hello, Sharon, it's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 28 (01:59:53):
Hi, good evening, Marcus. Pretty late, how.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
Are you real good?

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
Sharing you sound right and you sound bright and breezy.
Well done to you.

Speaker 28 (02:00:03):
Oh yeah, you know none life. Hey I am because
I was very interested in the conversation tonight, and I
thought i'd call up and just share a little experience
that I had many many many years ago. I went
to what's the one in Napier called the Marine Land?

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
I think they were all called Marine Land. I think
there was one in Order, where there was one in
Mount mong A, Nui, and there was one in Napier
and they were all called marine Land to my understanding.
The one in Mount Monganui was later called leisure Land,
but it started off at marine Land.

Speaker 28 (02:00:33):
Oh okay, this one, this particular experience was in the
one in Napier. And my family very much loved the Irwins,
you know, the zoo in Australia, Australia zoo. So we're
big fans. And my brother, bless him, he.

Speaker 22 (02:00:48):
Was so cute.

Speaker 28 (02:00:48):
He was rocking his Australia Zoo hat. And we went
into Marine Land in Napier and they were so suspicious
of us because of his Australia Zoo hat. I think
they were like thinking that we were sort of scouting
them out or having a look at some of the
like you know, quality of the enclosures and whatnot. There

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were certain places where the staff were just like ushering
us on and we were like WHOA. My brother of course,
ended up leaving something there and my dad went back
to go and get it, and they actually like chauffeured
him in pretty much make sure it was a quick turnaround,
making sure he wasn't like taking photos of anything. But yeah,
they were super suspicious just because he was wearing Australia

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zoo hat and maybe I kind of wonder what are
they hiding?

Speaker 26 (02:01:35):
Yeah, well you were.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Talking because I didn't close two thousand and weight? Is
it then about the eye?

Speaker 28 (02:01:40):
I would have been about I would have been about ten.
So I mean I'm thirty this year, so twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
Okay, that's what's that? Two thousand and four, two thousand
year Okay? Was he much that?

Speaker 7 (02:01:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
Like was it like do you remember? Was it like
seals jumping up and dolphins and stuff?

Speaker 4 (02:01:55):
Is that what it was?

Speaker 21 (02:01:56):
Like?

Speaker 28 (02:01:56):
Yeah, it was that kind of thing, and you would
sit close to the water's edge and they'd splash you
as they go past. But I just remember being so
grim and like, you know, you'd go there on a
little tour around the what would you even call them?

Speaker 26 (02:02:10):
Ponds and closure case.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
So it was grim.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
It was grim at the end, like it it's last years.

Speaker 28 (02:02:16):
It was kind of I mean it was at the time,
and reflecting on the fact that it was grim and
the teen year old, I think it must have been
pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
Yeah, because that's kind of the theme for tonight, where
it sounds of a pompous having a theme, but it
seems as though people vote with their feet, like with
a Ruana Park and with Marine World and stuff. They
asked for councils for more and more money. But it
seems that people get sick of them and they no
longer provide entertainment for people. They're not you know, people
move on to other things.

Speaker 28 (02:02:43):
A bit of a shame, isn't it that we're viewing
them as entertainment. I mean I was listening to your
callers earlier and there was a lady talking about how
she was so nervous to go through the Wildlife Sanctuary,
you know and see these lions, and I'm like, well,
why were we even going? You know, like if we
weren't really into it, why were we going? Because I
guess if you keep funding it then they stay open

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and it just seems to be sort of popular. But yeah,
you willn't really see those things, I don't think these days.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
But you know what it's like when you get a
parent with kids, you want them to do stuff. Don't
you think, well, what can we do? Let's do something
because you want to kind of get the kids to
do it. So people always looking for things to do,
aren't they. I Mean that's just part of life, isn't it.

Speaker 28 (02:03:23):
Yeah, Well, I've got two young kids, and I do
have annual passes to the Auckland Zoo. But I do
think there's just more of an awareness, I think, on
the animal's welfare these days. Well, at least I hope
there is. That's the way it kind of seems, so,
whether or not that's the actual case, yeah, we're doing
better than.

Speaker 26 (02:03:41):
We used to.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
My experience from the zoos, apart from the animals and
how florns, this is just my experience is that every
time I have been to the zoo, and I haven't
been probably for twenty years, it always seems to be
a big deal for families to get there. They've got
the kids, they've gotten the carrots, and there always seems
to from my experience, they always sort of parents yelling

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at their kids. There's always sort of parents seem to
be quite strung out up the zoos and they sort
of show their worst side. That's what I've always found.
There's always see you don't want to be around that
people screaming at their kids or you know, I just
I've always thought that not for me, it's just kind
of yeah, it's just a bit stressed with everyone. That's
what I've always thought, and maybe the.

Speaker 28 (02:04:21):
I think that depends on the parent. I don't know
if that's to do with the zoo.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, quite right. Yeah,
well I wonder if they are triggered by the animals.
But yeah, no, I just I'm saying, is it sort
of I just think zoos are stressful for people. Anyway,
Nice to talk to you, Sharon, Thank you. Henry Marcus welcomes.

Speaker 24 (02:04:40):
Going just just talking about that. The young lady who
was just always he all went to Marine broad Beck
in the seventies.

Speaker 18 (02:04:50):
Mom took us over.

Speaker 24 (02:04:51):
Here and the seal Flesh that was his name. He
was kind of like the star, you know. They had
war on his head and he was doing tricks. And
the dolphins didn't goin to really do much, and it
was grimm and it was a grim little place.

Speaker 9 (02:05:05):
You know.

Speaker 24 (02:05:05):
There wasn't the pool, wasn't that people, the dolphins.

Speaker 15 (02:05:08):
But but the main thing that I remember from.

Speaker 24 (02:05:11):
That, I've still got pictures of the seal, but the
main thing was the Vienna Boys Choir. They performed there
that day.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
Wow. Yeah, yeah, I guess I guess they probably Yeah, Okay,
well it's a strange thing, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (02:05:32):
I know it was.

Speaker 24 (02:05:32):
It was like they must obviously they were just you know,
looking you know at marine bread. I suppose I'm just
looking at the.

Speaker 15 (02:05:38):
Sides of the Navy.

Speaker 24 (02:05:39):
But yeah, I'll never forget that. It was the Vienna
Boys Choir. They sung me and.

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
Yeah, where where did you say you come across from?
Were you from Napier or did you come.

Speaker 24 (02:05:48):
Across the No, no, you come across from Taranaki.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
Oh well long drive.

Speaker 5 (02:05:52):
Okay, yeah, my sister.

Speaker 24 (02:05:54):
Lived over in hasting so you know, they just took
us the here and but yeah, that being a boys choir,
they were in New zeal And. They actually performed there
at the Marine parade that day.

Speaker 2 (02:06:05):
Did you look for a new article from it to
see what dada is? But I can't see anything, just
pops up.

Speaker 24 (02:06:10):
But it was the early seventies anyway, I remember, you know,
because it was you know, that's when they had in Hastings,
they had that old your head the Castle War and
all that. There's now one flesh planet, you know, you.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Think it's right, yep, But it was a big deal.
Was it was a big thing?

Speaker 5 (02:06:23):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 24 (02:06:23):
So it was like your early seventy seventy two, sy
three maybe, And.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
How old, Henry, how old were you when you went there?

Speaker 24 (02:06:31):
Oh, probably eleven or twelve And now.

Speaker 2 (02:06:35):
Even as eleven or twelve year old, it felt a
bit grimm, did it.

Speaker 12 (02:06:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (02:06:39):
Yeah, because the fool was like, you know, it wasn't
it wasn't the young lady was there, It wasn't it big.
And the dolphins were just kind of you know, they
jumped through the hoops and but they'd seeal flesh. He
was the star, you know, And I've got photos of it,
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
It's amazing. You've still got the photos, Henry. You must
be well organized.

Speaker 24 (02:06:59):
Yeah, well I've got It's one of those in cinematic
came you know, you just take the photo and the
picture comes there on a few seconds and yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
Yeah, it hasn't fair.

Speaker 20 (02:07:06):
It was one of those.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
It's not the phonos not faded. It's still in good condition.

Speaker 24 (02:07:14):
Well faded, but you know you remember that. You remember
it because you can see the seal and you know
that was the time you were at Marine Bread.

Speaker 4 (02:07:21):
And you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
That's flash nice to hear.

Speaker 14 (02:07:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:25):
Here we have past eleven. My name's Marcus. Welcome and
joined the calls. Without the zoos and the lion parks.
We've gone from kind of lion parks to actually marine lands.
Sound terrible, Marcus. I'm sticking up for the iruna packs.
Yept the gorilla. The grand children of school highs was
very busy. It's minias. Animals have lots of space outside you,
and they went for the gorillas. The gorillas sound like

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a disaster, Dave Marcus.

Speaker 19 (02:07:48):
Welcome, Yeah, good Marcus.

Speaker 29 (02:07:51):
At Stave here about the early seventies, we had a
few bullets for football team come over and we thought
we'd entertain them and take them to the area around
the pack. And we were driving through the line seeing
there in this mess of big lioness dragged a bone
and jumped on their bonnet and sat there for quite

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some time and we couldn't see and they had a
mark two courtena and the weight of the line was
so much did the car wouldn't hardly move because it
was down on the wheels.

Speaker 5 (02:08:26):
Wow.

Speaker 12 (02:08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (02:08:29):
We sat there for about.

Speaker 29 (02:08:30):
Quarter of an hour and I said to the kids,
when the lines finished that bone, they said, we're next.
All of a sudden, it was an eruption. The whole
four of them were crying. But the keeper had to
come along and give the line of pride in the
bum with a stick to get around.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
How did they How did they do that? They were
the keepers themselves in cages or did they just how
did they do that?

Speaker 29 (02:08:52):
They were in a car just like us. Yeah, they
just drove around and he poked his stick out the window,
and now they wouldn't move. We were sacked there for
about quarter of an hour, and in the end they
had the kids all screaming in the back.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
And I wonder why I'd want to go on a
bonnet because it was warm er. You wonder why they'd
do that. A.

Speaker 29 (02:09:11):
It could well have been here, but I couldn't hardly
see it the bond out of the window. That the
because it was so big, you know, sitting on the
bonnet chewing this bone. The bone would have been about
three foot long.

Speaker 19 (02:09:22):
It was a matter.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
Was it probably a horse? Probably a horse's Was it
was the car damaged?

Speaker 14 (02:09:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (02:09:30):
We had scratches on the bonnet from its feet, which
it which should which should?

Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
Like that'd be a point of honor, wouldn't it. You'd
like the line scratches. You could tell everyone about that. A, Yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 29 (02:09:40):
I don't think the kids suffered from it, from having
nightmares when I told them that we're next. But it
was it was my fault because I, you know, know
all saturdy scream and so we had to put up
with it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
Nice to talk, Dave, you gotta be. We actually took
our kids just to talk about bad parenting experiences. We
took our kids on Saturday to am. It was called
Orian scaring. It was like an orient tearing at night,
haunted Halloween run out or ety in the forest, and

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our kids at eight and ten terrified. We shouldn't have
done it. Yeah, boy, oh boy. I thought it'd be
a lot of fun. But yeah, just to be in
the dark and the people coming us with chainsaws and
it was pretty full on and I loved it, but
the kids went into it at all and the youngest

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kidd he was sort of quite bravey going through And
I said, oh, yeah, they just actors, and they said, well, yeah,
they are just actors. But what you want to watch
out for us, you know, someone if there is some
real sort of escape prisoner that's come and use the
whole theater of the haunted orienteering race to sort of
pick off some children. Well that freaked him out. Anyway,
They seemed to right today. But yeah, they that was

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a real pair. And funnily enough, it wasn't really my
it was VENI said, oh, this would be great for
us to do.

Speaker 11 (02:11:04):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
It's good to scare kids. But they really were frightened.
That's sort of a bit tired of grizzy. At the
end of the holidays, all says that probably wasn't the
best day for them. But I think I thought, why
would we want to be scared? I think that was
what their logic was, which is not bad logic really anyway,
Beef and it's Marcus. Good evening, Good.

Speaker 20 (02:11:25):
Marcus, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (02:11:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 20 (02:11:28):
Speaking of being scared. A funny story about Paradise Early
Springs Line ten years ago. I was an accountant at
the time, and I went out for lunch and read
the local paper, which was the morning edition, and on
the very front page it had rumors Line escaped and
running through city, and then it showed a picture of

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the lion down in the city. The funniest part about
it was that I was the trustee trusted owned the land.

Speaker 25 (02:11:57):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (02:11:58):
Absolutely crept myself, thinking shit, what well if the irresponsibilities
that we got if one of the lines I was
going to eat someone, so I couldn't raise anyone. And yeah,
I had to ring the radio station were reporting it
was in the same area of town and bring the

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police and they didn't seem to know anything. It was
a It was an interesting half an hour of my life,
I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:12:26):
So tell me a bit about this, a bit of
because so this is the Rainbow the Rainbow Park is
it what you said, a.

Speaker 20 (02:12:32):
Pre paradise fairly springs, so similar to what used to
be the Rainbow Faery Springs, but it has a lion
packed and a lot of.

Speaker 2 (02:12:40):
Other Okay, I didn't realize that that's a nice word.
That's in that area, Is that right?

Speaker 20 (02:12:44):
Yeah, it's around it a longer time mountain.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
And they had lions.

Speaker 20 (02:12:50):
Yeah, they had a pride of about maybe a dozen
or so lions. They have cubs occasionally, and you know,
I heard what you call a Zulia saying head as
a keeper head had to raise a couple of cubs
in the house. And I recall that it was some
of the staff as well. And they used to occasionally
if you could actually go into a like a doubled

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all areas, but like the scenario and pet the cubs,
and it was wonderful for kids because they've got an experience,
you know, close and personal with a little Okay, well.

Speaker 2 (02:13:28):
Look I'm looking at their website. They've still got lions.
I had no eye. And you never hear a bad story.
They'd never hear a bad story about them, so it
must be a very well runner.

Speaker 20 (02:13:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 21 (02:13:37):
You know.

Speaker 20 (02:13:38):
Then they do a whole lot of things around conservation
for the tardy and your way in south and whole
bunch of things. Yeah. Great, I don't know, great for them,
but you know they're a great organization, great business center,
really good chance for young kids to see you know,
a farm animal or trout or vans. Yeah, it's a

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really brilliant thing. But it wasn't a brilliant particular day.

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
No, I used to Are you still involved with it?

Speaker 10 (02:14:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:14:06):
No?

Speaker 20 (02:14:06):
Okay, Timmy retired now and enjoying, enjoying life.

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
But where where was the lion?

Speaker 20 (02:14:15):
It's hadn't escaped at all with the rumor, but in
nineteen eighty sixth about about thirty years earlier, there'd been
some circus lines escaped in town, which was before I'd
moved to Rhode a ruler, so I had no idea
about that because I just picked out the paper. You know,
rumors lion escaped, and I just line on the back

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and thinking there's only one place lines out, and I'm
a trustee.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
I think always said lions escaped just for a bit
of publicity, so that people know the circus was in town.
That's what I can happen.

Speaker 20 (02:14:50):
But I readly asked probably not great for the listeners.
But some streak kids threw a little dog and me
and the lions instinct attacked.

Speaker 23 (02:15:00):
So the attacked.

Speaker 20 (02:15:01):
That got out of hand at one and they escaped.
But so the story goes not see.

Speaker 2 (02:15:07):
To move on, But thank you hollow Shuitt's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 14 (02:15:10):
Hey Ka, Marcus. I'd love to talk to you about
I run a wildlife park and some things about New
Zealanders and people who knock organizations who are trying to
do something. You know, this is apparently the only zoo
in the South Island. Wouldn't it be lovely if people

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identified that it's financially stripped organization, that it's trying to
operate on a shoe string and say, hey, why don't
we get behind it and do something to help them,
and see they're kicking them and the crutch when they're down.
I'm just thinking that the youth that they've got is
obviously wealth stuffed. Why does someone like to hear in

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New Zealand or this end or somebody about that, say
we just traded a vehicle and we've got this little
fat dick here we'll just donated to you. Then you're
staff for safe. Then it's got a handbreak. Then it's
got windows that go up and down the case that
line comes to try and eat you, and then up
and running again. In said, we just go onto the
media under the social media and say the bed, the bed,

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the bed.

Speaker 2 (02:16:15):
I think probably, I think I think if you're running
a staff that's involving animals and members of the public
and safety and things like that, you've really the duty
is on you to provide a to provide to do
it properly. And if you don't do it proper you've
got to get out of the You've got to get
out of the business. So you can't just you can't
just run a business badly and expect on the expect

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on charity to come through you've got to cut your cloth.

Speaker 14 (02:16:40):
And you come to a situation where we've just bounced
off the deck of you know, COVID. He want to
says it's COVID, And you know, tourism has dried up
so that it's coming back obviously, and so a lot
of businesses has gone through hard times and here's a
chance for the public or some organizations to get behind

(02:17:01):
an organization run a park, we're just clearly struggling and
say well, how about we just helped them a little
bit with a little bit of finance, or we do something,
you know. And then other thing about.

Speaker 2 (02:17:13):
Maybe sure it's started stash, Maybe people out into that
sort of maybe people want to do other stuff. They
want to play Fortnite, or they want.

Speaker 14 (02:17:20):
To absolutely absolutely agree with you totally. Like in the
old days there with rugby football clubs and scouts, you know,
and boxing, and now there's four hundred different sorts of
activities that you have people can do, and so things
like Rainbow's End the Marino and I went there in
the seventies and saw those dolphins with my mum and dad,

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those little kid and saw the dolphins leaping through the
loops and things like that wonderful times that you know,
now we've had Free Willie the movie, and we don't
think it's such a good idea to have killer whales
and big what they called aquariums. And so maybe things
have moved on. Maybe we're just too busy playing Xbox

(02:18:01):
to worry about game doing a wildlife tackle or something.
But the thing about things dying, like things die. I
was talking to a farmer a while ago, and I
was honest, farmers doing some hunting, and well, I mean,
she pissed it. And when I redicate, I was doing
some rabbit shooting, and I do good. She talked about
gat there. That's another sameet that I pulled you out

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of a bog and I gave it over and I
stood up in the drain pipe where it put should
of from the wind and the rain and the hope
that it would survive. But died. I said to the farmer,
tried to help you say that you and he said,
worry ready here. Sometimes things just die. I don't know
what you do with them. They just die. They just

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give up the wall to live, he said, youse a
particularly bead. They just wander off and find a flamp
to go and and kill themselves because he just lose
the wall to live. And maybe the gorilla just lost
the wall to live. And sure the bacteria in poo, right,
we all know these bacteria and poop, and maybe he
caught some bad bacteria. He caught something that you know,

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we get on the bandwagon about animal welfare and stuff
and just we just have to remember the animals do die.
Even when you give them the best of care, they
will still die. The little giraffe at does.

Speaker 2 (02:19:18):
What's what's what's the point of having uh gorilla and
a giraffe in the South Island of New Zealand. You
can't even look after what what's the what's the point? Well,
it's it's entertainment.

Speaker 14 (02:19:32):
It's a link to the past somewhere you can go
to see guerrillas without having to go to the mountains
in Africa and see them free ranging.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
You know, just watch your documentary or something.

Speaker 14 (02:19:47):
It's not really the same. It's like, why do we
go to live rugby games the city? It's watching it
on TV. We go to rugby games for the atmosphere
and stuff and stand at the stands and cheer. We've
got to see a gorilla or a giraffe or a
cheetah in a zoo to have an up close experience
with a real, live world animal, which is obviously in keptout,
real wild at all. They'll still killing if you get

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in there with them. So that's why we have these
sorts of places. They possibly fit in a niche in
the market. That is a niche in it's a very
niche is getting smaller. But we could try to help businesses.
And we hear this all the time. You know, you
help the local cafe because had had that because you know,
whatever happen, you got rets and your supermaket with it.

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So let's try and help the supermake let's trying and
help the cafe. Let's try and help I run a back.

Speaker 2 (02:20:37):
Good luck. Are you going to see them some money?
Are you going to see them some money?

Speaker 14 (02:20:42):
I knew I did it, hold of myself. Thanks Marc good,
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:47):
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