Just a sprinkling of the bagpipes (3 June 2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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You call and we talk. It's basically the way it works.
Monday's always a little bit different because coming enough lost gosh,
just got that wrong already, Tuesday, I beg your pardon.
Nothink as slow as a short week. Of course, the whole,
the whole, that is the whole well, I don't even
know it would describe it, but the whole. Paradox of

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the long weekend is the week after seems probably like
the longest we give it. Anyway, one day they'll study
that and they'll say, I'm right. But anyway, it's Tuesday
on the base of the long weekend. It's not always
the easiest thing to work out what's on people's mind,
what they will be talking about. Interesting enough at sixty
five years this weekend since New z endn got TV,
which is interesting to me mainly because it took so

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long to get it. We'en unbelievable. We got it in
nineteen sixty first of June, Robin Hood an interview with
the Villa visiting Ballerina and the Howard Morrison Cortet. The

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British had had TV since nineteen thirty six, Australia had
it since nineteen fifty six. We got it in nineteen sixty,
twenty four years after Britain. No idea why that happened. Well,
it was so slow anyway, just checking it out there.
So probably in our lifetime for some of us will
see the Well I won't. I didn't see the birth

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of TV. It was after my time. But some of
you have seen the birth and death of free to
TV three to E TV in your lifetime. But yes,
this day and well not this day, but two days
earlier in nineteen sixty. It took a long long time,
didn't it. Yeah, and then they didn't get it all
to good to go. It just kind of got pepper

(02:22):
potted around the country. Then christ Dutch was early on.
Then Wellington four weeks later than Doneeda didn't get it
from nineteen sixty two, and by nineteen sixty five four
stations were broadcasting seven nights a week for a total
of fifty hours. Goodness, So what happened in those days?
They have programs that'd fly them from city to city

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and they'd broadcast them. It's funny because some of my
generation of always thought TV was frowned forever, but it
must have been a very, very new thing. By nineteen
sixty six, the cost of a TV at twenty three
inch TV at twenty three inch black and white TV
was the equivalent of five thousand dollars in today's money.
So we go on and on about inflation. But one

(03:06):
thing it's progressively got cheaper and cheaper and cheaper is TVs.
They go the way house pick one up for two
hundred bucks. It's kind of fairly good quality. Five thousand
dollars anyway, So sixty five years that we've had it,

(03:26):
that's free to wear. Gosh A twenty three and is
black and white. Consolate would be tiny as well, wouldn't it. Anyway?
The other thing that has gotten a lot of publicy.
But I'm sure people are ecstatic. And I don't know
why I picked this up, but you might have been
talking about it. You might not have been talking about it.
But Eden Park is getting a military tattoo, and I

(03:47):
imagine that's the sort of thing that a certain demographic
will go absolutely nuts for. Yes, I'm not quite sure
why they call them tattoos. Someone will tell me about that.
It's not one of those double meanings have really worked out.
But anyway, so it's coming to Eden Park and it's
going to be a big deal, so you want to

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get on your grab a seat and get tickets for that.
I think it's every next year, so seventy fifth anniversary,
So that's what you want to be doing. Under the stars,
of course. And I think what happens with military tattoos.
I know they brought them to the Caketon and Wellington
a while back in people I don't think they think

(04:31):
they might have brought them to the Forsyth Bar. But
people during that sort of stuff love it. Yeah, don't
know if it's my cup of tea, but you might
say what it meant to you. You might have gone to
one of those. I don't know if it was forsythe Bar.
It was certainly at the Cake Tin. I think it
was at the Cake Tin. And now it's coming to
Eden Park. The residents, the locals, those living nearby probably

(04:53):
will be happy with that. I think they incorporate local
performance also, so no doubt there will be hucker and
stuff with that. Don't know anything. It don't even know
when it was announced, but it's a big deal. It's
going to be a number of it's going to be
next year's biggest ever event in New Zealand. It seems
I'm going to imagine be a lot of kind of

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those good with drums doing all that sort of stuff too.
So anyway, so I don't know how much tickets cost.
Some of you will know this already, that's not my brief.
But anyway, if you have been to military tattoos or
that's something that you want to mention also, I'll be
kind of vaguely curious to know about that. I always

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think probably it's a bit samey, same me every year,
is it, But I guess that's what those people want.
They always go on about New Zealand having as many
pipe bands as Scotland. Well, that's a good thing. And
then as you're in a pipe band, that's probably as
good as it gets. I don't know what the site
lines are like. I don't know if they're marching around
the field of quite what they're doing. I don't know

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if Eden Park is suited to it or not. But
you might want to mention that also, and the things
you want to talk about tonight. Yeah, so sixty five
years of TV and the military tattoo. You might even
tell me what the meaning of tattoo is because it
seems to have two meanings. In fact, maybe tattoo is

(06:17):
about the tapping or drumming of the machine that does that.
Oh no, of course that the word tattoo. It's probably
different devoration. I think the word tattoo is a Pacific
a word, is it. I'm sure you'd answer me that
as well. Anyway, feel free to get engaged tonight. The
number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. As I say,
if this breaker news, I'll bring that to you between
now and midnight. Not sure what it was, but there's
trouble type, these troubling times, these troubled times, Marcus. I'm

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flying from BALI to Scotland for the tattoo in August.
Booked well before they announced, and you did in an
edition a big cost, but looking forward to seeing it
at Edinburgh Castle. It's Chrissy's emailed me from Ubood, So
there we go. You might tell me what the tickets
are worth, but I imagine that, yeah, I imagine that's
the sort of thing that people travel from out of
town to, so a combination would be at a premium.

(07:08):
You want to put your probably your bet garage into
Airbnb for that one. Do it up in Tartan theme it.
People will love it. Can't get enough of that anyway.
Are we still talking Butter? But they've gone quite about
butter a what's happened there? Some sort of cover upe
for a five days? No one's mentioned Butter. I get

(07:29):
in touch on talk about anything tonight. Some of the
text will get those as they come through people. Sheep Marcus.
We are going to the Edin Park Military Tattoo. It's
gonna be awesome. Got our tickets as soon as they
came on sale. I remember as a kid everyone watching
the Edinburgh Tattoo on TV. Well I'm not quite sure

(07:51):
if I do remember watching it on TV, but someone
might know about that, Marcus. A tattoo is the prolonged
beating of a drama, military exercise of a military just
display of exercise. In music, You're probably slightly militaristic for me,
but you never know, Y said. I say, I'd be

(08:12):
vaguely interested in that. I'll be Morris in the crowd.
I think these days, I remember sitting in this seat
after Coldplay, No, after Pink after Coldplay or Pink Beat,
what it was? You know what boomers love? Two things
boomers love. They love a wristband that fleshes different colors

(08:32):
to the music. If the test, if the test, who
gets those people will be happy as can be. I
think also talking to people that went to Coldplay, they
love some pre arranged uber that's waiting in someone's front yard,
so karrat and goes straight to it. They think that's fantastic.

(08:53):
They love something pre organized, so I do that. But
if they had a wristband that fleshed, people would love
that greatly. Anyway, that's what we're on tonight. If there's
something else you want to talk about mentioned tonight, feel
free to come through. Sixty five years of TV in
the military tatoo that's going to eden Park so well

(09:14):
under the people of eden Park, I reckon that is
right in eden Park, Central's kind of core demographic. The
people will flip and love that because you can't imagine
that the people will be too badly behaved. You imagine them
on the trains getting there, rolling down the hills to
the take an office. Can't wait anyway, As I say,

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if you want to be a part of the show,
Oh eight hundred and eighty e Taddy and market slash
he'd on midnight, I'll just throw things at you to
there's something for me tonight. That's the way I'm going
to run at it. We'll find something, We'll find something
to get you going people, I can promise you that.
But yes, if there is other news that happened throughout
the course of the evening, I will be all across it,

(09:58):
like was Biden a robot for goodness sake? Sep Anyway,
Lisa Marcus, welcome, Hi Marcus.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I can remember the military tattoo on I'm around
your age group on TV. Age changes, what your age changes?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think we've got to
clear but anyway, keep going, Yes, yes, I sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
I'm in your demographic, I think. But anyway, I can
remember seeing the military tattoo on TV when I was
a child, and it was quite interesting. They made horses
sort of dance, and it was very amazing what they

(10:53):
did in some cases. But the thing that put me
off was the bagpipes, I think goodness, and it was
because as a child I found them just too bound.
They actually scared me. So I can remember going to
a center barade and I can still sort of vaguely

(11:13):
remember as a very small child crying and been upset
because they were just too loud for me.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, you might have been one of those, you said,
other children now that we're ear muffs when they go out.
You might have been one of those children, were you?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I could have been.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
You might have needed to be. Yes, you might have
needed some of that noise cancelation stuff out in the
big world.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, but I still don't enjoy them.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
No, Well, I mean I have quite I.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Am too loud for me.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think I've got quite not to say about bagpipes.
And for me, it's not the noise, it's I know,
I think they're quite rousing. I went to speaking to
school once right, this is go on about this quite often,
some sort of end of your address, and they piped
me on. You had to walk behind the thought cheapest creepers.
You see how people could get obsessed to that. You

(12:02):
can see how Trump lugs all that militaristic stuff. And
you follow the pipe up the stairs into the hall. Well,
give me that. That's bloody brilliant. And I love the
sound of the bagpipes. I think probably the trouble of
the bagpipes is the limited to the number of tunes
they can play on it. And if you want to
google up bagpipes jokes, there's no shortage of them. But
you know, I think a tremendous instrument. Irish of course,

(12:23):
isn't it. I'm pretty sure that's the way it goes.
You can fight me on that one. They're still fighting
and still running at each other. Is it still a
thing cheap? Is Neil? It's Marcus, welcome in good evening, Hi, Neil,
it's Marcus. Welcome and good evening.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Hey Marcus.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
How're they're going?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Good thanking, Neil? How are you going? All right?

Speaker 7 (12:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (12:45):
Good?

Speaker 5 (12:45):
I just believe in the pronunciation of the tartoo should
be tattoo. Oh really yeah, really really came from when.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
It comes to military tattoo. You say military tattoo.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I mean, sorry, you got me along here, But isn't
tear two should be tattoo?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Like when you put the needles in your in your arm?

Speaker 5 (13:11):
I mean, the origins of a teartoo would be tattoo,
wouldn't it be?

Speaker 8 (13:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Well I haven't really done the deep dive into it,
but they describe different things.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
I mean, I'm saying that tear two should be tattoo
because the origin would be tattoo.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Correct, Yeah, but never have you ever heard it said tattoo?

Speaker 5 (13:35):
And veg they always say tattoo, do they really?

Speaker 9 (13:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (13:39):
They do.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I've seen some beautiful tattoos and Fiji there seemed to
be a lot of takes placed ones with like Bible
quotes and freeze and stuff on people's backs.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Ah, but that's kind of like Western.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I guess, yeah, I would be yeah, will the Bible
will be Western?

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yeah, But the pronunciation of tattoo should be tattoo.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Brilliant. Appreciate that, Neil, thank you. So then we go
twenty one past that. You're might be off to them
in Frey tATu. If we call it that, it could
be a different thing. I don't know. I'm up for
the discussion. I think it would be the greatest contemporary
use of bagpipes. That would probable contemporary. I say that
it's probably been fifty years. There'd be ac DC, wouldn't
it long way to the top? Or of course, to
Johnny Farnham, you're the voice that's got the bagpipes in

(14:22):
there here. It coming through from time time always sounds good.
It's one of those things, a bit like coriander, not
too much, just a sprinkling of the bagpipes. You Sometimes
a lot of coriander is a good thing, depending if
you're a super taste of twenty five past eight. Peter,
it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 10 (14:40):
Yeah, hi and Marcus. Nice to talk to you. I
thought you might have piped me up. I thought you
might have done the decent thing, piped me on at
the very least everyone.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I never never thought I'd never I apologize. I never
thought of doing an on air talk back version of
piping you on.

Speaker 10 (14:58):
Yeah yeah, I just a bit of an addendum to
an interesting comment you've made about the pipes originating in
in Ireland. Actually I've looked into their history and that
the genesis was actually in Ireland. That what happened, well,
apparently the history of Scotland. It was named Scotland by

(15:21):
the fact that bribes from or clans from northern Ireland
ross the sea settled in Scotland and the first recorded
plan to do so was the clan Scotty. So henceforth
the name ascribed to that country was Scotland, which I
found an interesting effect. Yeah, and the Irish to this

(15:45):
very day have a form of pipes which predated the bagpipes,
called the Julian pipe U I double L E A N.
It's a smaller pipe, you know, bagpipe set. It doesn't
have a mouthpiece, it's totally reliant. The bag is compressed
under the arm and pumps like a of bellows under

(16:07):
the arm, and it has a less less of a range.
And apparently it was taken to Scotland as it became known,
and then the Highland pipes as we know them now,
the bagpipes were developed from those Julian pipes.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
They would have more like an accordion, you just bang
it back and forward to get the year.

Speaker 10 (16:26):
Other than yeah, and if you ever hear any haunting
Irish music, which of which is quite a bit beautiful
haunting music. Of those pipes will be the Julian pipes
that are playing, and they're very sort of symbolic in
a sense of the deprivation and the hardship that where

(16:46):
country has gone through over the over.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
They so peter, they specialize, They specialize in haunting to
the Irish, don't they. Wow? What what a history?

Speaker 11 (16:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (16:56):
Well, I remember reading years ago Trinity by Leon Errison,
you know, and and the sort of folklore that is
still prevalent in parts of Ireland, and how they used
to tie. They'd have a weight and they have the
corpse laid out on a table, and the tie bells
to the toes of the corpse, and that way, if

(17:16):
the little people came in through the window and tried
to steal the corpse, the bells would ring and it
would be an alarm for the people attending the way. So,
you know, there was It's quite calming in a way, not.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
At the idea I might that put. That changed my will.
I like that. It's only by the way you talk
about Ireland and Scotland, they're very close, only twelve miles apart.

Speaker 10 (17:35):
Yes, yes, yeah, they are very very close here and
and a lot of those Scottish traditions that we call
them now. I mean, for instance, the tribes in Ireland
they had their own tartans and brought them through Scotland,
and then as the tribes disseminated across the highlands those tartans,
then you know, they began to have their own patterns

(17:57):
and what have you. So, and I think even the
Highland dancing in a sense has has a leave it
of similarity to the Irish dancing, you know, the this
sort of stature as they as they performed the dance
and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
So I think I think they moved their arms more
on the Scottish version.

Speaker 10 (18:14):
Do they They Yeah, told to the side, you did from.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
The waist up in the Irish one. It's remarkable, isn't it.
It's like upstairs nothing down on.

Speaker 10 (18:26):
Yeah. Yeah, their feet are going like one hundred miles
an hour.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh yes, I remember remember that guy that had the
rencored fraud, Old Michael Fletley. Yeah, remarkable, man, I mean
he seemed to be individual boy. I don't forget what
the record was, but it was just like it was
almost a continuous sound that was. I don't know how
your team for that.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
No, no, and it's been carried on to the sphery day.
I think there's a troup due to come to New
Zealand at some stage again as they have done since
Michael Fletley's stays and still performing those self same dancers.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, as he hung up, as he hung out his
shoes arthritis or something.

Speaker 10 (19:06):
Yeah, I think I think what happened. He got to
an age and he started to stumble and.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
We shouldn't laugh. He wouldn't lit love to it. It
was a while there. You couldn't go anywhere that people
to do about Michael Flatley cheapest think about nineteen ninety
How you're going people, Welcome to a landmine of is
Marcus HITDL twelve. We I find it very interesting time
about that we had bagpipes. Didn't realize the Irish ones
didn't blow into I suppose the most pure electric bagpipes.

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Now today you don't have to blow into them. Marcus
attended the tattoo on Edinburgh and eighty six, one of
the most moving things I've seen. Epic did Big Country
use bagpipes? It was a good band. Big Country didn't they.
Weren't they? It's a big country.

Speaker 12 (19:50):
Did they?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I think they performed. I think I saw Big Country sometime,
Marcus ac DC do a song with bagpipes. I think
I mentioned that Bond's got plays a big pipes long
way to the top if you want a rock and
roll Marcus. The origin of the tattoo as an military
tattoo as nothing to do with Polynesia. Sorry, did the
call of the little turnate pronunciation kate? Lookcause I think

(20:12):
Fiji is Micronesia sort of Melanesia, Marcus. To be piped
anywhere as the highest honor you can have treasure. It
good to have you back, Yes, good? No, Jerry sheep
as creepers, Marcus, are oh about the military tattoo? I
remember the field gun competition race always impressive, looks dangerous,

(20:33):
two teams breaking down gun racing through obstacles explains how
they built the empire. So I do remember that on
coverage of that they often had they be rare a
sending those guns. They're like the guns you get on risk.
What would you call those like field guns with big wheels.
I'm not good on military words, but yes, that was
a big thing, wasn't it oh, Marcus. I was a

(20:59):
drum major of my high school pipe band. We won
the New Zealand championships twice. The bagpipes are the full
pipe band get the heart pumping and always was organized
for my parents to go the military Aukland tattoo flights
in the hotel's reasonute price, but it was a few
weeks ago. Yes, what they want though, they get one
of those wristbands that glows. People would love that, Marcus.

(21:25):
The word tato originated from the Dutch language. The beating
of the drums was a signal to turn off the
beer in the pubs so that soldiers from nearby military
garrisons would return to their barracks. Regards Colin, sent from iPhone,
brilliant that's what That's the way we like it, Marcaus.
I think possibly the reason we didn't have TV earlier
was that we had to make the sets here Regards Judith,

(21:46):
it's a very good point. It could well have been
about income, the fact we couldn't get the TVs. Hadn't
thought about that. Some of them will know someone involved
in early TV manufacture, and why would they do it
that way? Maybe that the other countries couldn't produce an excess. Marcus.
I work for a funeral director. I find it very
stir an emotional. Every time I hear a piper, piper,

(22:08):
casket and out of the chapel of church. I hear
them often, but each time has the same effect. The
pipe seemed to show great respect for the deceased. Marcus
elo version Flowers Scotland combines pipes and hakka brilliant. Well,
I would think there'd be a fever of that combination.

(22:29):
When the tattoo comes to Walklan, I would think, I
think that's probably the way it's going to go with
that one. Denise, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 13 (22:36):
Oh hello Marcus. Actually I just thought i'd give a call.
I was really intrigued and very pleased tonight to note
on the news, I think or seven sharps. But people
are now so we're using more and more cash, oh,
particularly since COVID, because I actually have I think probably

(22:56):
in the last two years, I've deliberately been really scared
we're going to become a kesha society. That started drawing
out every few weeks so that I do have enough cash.
You know, you play for small things or you know,
all everyday things, and so I thought that was rather
a I wonder what others are doing? Well, a lot

(23:18):
of people must be. I think even younger people are
beginning to realize that, you know, the card doesn't always
you know, the specific card doesn't necessarily answer.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, Can I just ask Denise? I didn't see the story.
So the story and seven Sharpe said that people are
using cash more than they once did.

Speaker 13 (23:38):
Yeah, well, particularly it was actually falling back, you know,
people were I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Sure, So the story the story was people are going
back to cash. Yes, okay, Well, and the second question
to you is, Denise.

Speaker 13 (23:53):
Well I was concerned about it.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
What are you scared of?

Speaker 14 (24:00):
What do you mean?

Speaker 13 (24:01):
What am I scared of?

Speaker 15 (24:03):
Well?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Why would you be scared to use plastic?

Speaker 16 (24:07):
Well, wouldn't be, no, God, No.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
One of the great joys of my life is not
carrying cash.

Speaker 13 (24:13):
You know what, when was when the f PO machines
don't mean a work and there's no par.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
But when when the last time that happened?

Speaker 17 (24:22):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (24:23):
Quite often?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Come on?

Speaker 13 (24:25):
What about.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
How long ago was that? Now?

Speaker 18 (24:30):
Well?

Speaker 13 (24:30):
Do you think it won't happen again?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It will be quite different?

Speaker 13 (24:34):
What you mean?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well, I think probably if another quake happened, I think
probably the all sorts of unforeseen things would worry that
we'd worry about. I imagine the shortage of cash would
not be one of them.

Speaker 13 (24:45):
Well, would worry you if you had no cash, if
you couldn't get petrol or go to the supermarket, wasn't it?

Speaker 9 (24:50):
Well?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
No, because I don't think that's what's going to happen
in the next quake. I imagine that pay waves come
so far that people would you know, come on, I'm
not going to spend my whole life worrying about something that.

Speaker 13 (25:02):
Don't need to worry about it. But you must feel
very l.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's why I want to with all the kindness in
the world, Denise, I think that you are worrying about
something needlessly.

Speaker 13 (25:15):
No, I'm not worrying about it because I've just been
doing something about it the last few years. And lots
of my friends do keep quite a lot of cash
on hand in their houses, you know, because of this.
But you know, you know, the other thing is it's
a privacy thing too, isn't it what is well, isn't

(25:37):
it quite nice not to know that your every purchase
that you make is tracked I'm.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Not too concerned about it.

Speaker 13 (25:45):
No, well, I'm not really concerned about it.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
But I mean, they've got you on video cameras buying
and selling stuff everywhere anyway, haven't they these days?

Speaker 13 (25:54):
Yeah, but they don't know who you are necessarily, do they.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, are you in a small town?

Speaker 10 (26:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Are you in christ Juje? No, I'm not in christ
if so small town.

Speaker 13 (26:09):
In the big city of Timaru.

Speaker 19 (26:13):
No.

Speaker 13 (26:13):
I just think that I just feel quite please. I
would hate to think we didn't have cash at all.
That's what I mean.

Speaker 18 (26:21):
I think.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
In this seat and people ring up the great fear.

Speaker 13 (26:29):
It's nice to be able to sort of pay someone
who just does a small job for you, say, comes
in and trims the tree or something. It's only be
a one off. It's nice about to give them cash.

Speaker 19 (26:40):
You know.

Speaker 13 (26:40):
I don't want to have to pay everything that's you know,
a little small thing. Do it online or you know.
You know, it's just quite nice to have that other ability,
isn't it. It's a freedom.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Have you ever had payWave on your cell phone?

Speaker 13 (26:57):
Well, no, I don't do anything any payments, and you know,
I don't do any bank transactions on my cell phone.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
But you do tap and go and stuff like that
when you buy it, because it's very freeing. It's very freeing,
just tap and you go. You just you know, you
don't even have to go for your wallet.

Speaker 13 (27:20):
Well, well, I do well, I generally speaking to say,
if I go and have a coffee, L go out
and warrant tea. I don't use my card all the time.
It's just quite nice, just some show.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Don't you worry that shimmery cash falls out of your pocket,
that sort of that weird stuff. You know, it's how
so slippery it is. It kind of finds its way
and just blows away.

Speaker 13 (27:47):
Oh yeah, obviously you don't to worry.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I love to be free. I love being cashless. One
of the great joys in my life.

Speaker 13 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Okay, well, but I'll look at I look at the
sevens because I don't know. I don't know what's happening
with Jeremy and Hillary. But Marcus, if there's an earthquake again,
it won't be cash. That will be no use to you.
If you can't use computers, and supermarkets if they're still standing,
or computerized petrol pumps get rid of cash. Besides, no

(28:21):
one knows how to give change anymore anyway, they can't
work it out in the view if the powers off. Oh,
I'll tell what I am worried about. Right, What about
all these people getting tortured for their Bitcoin passwords? Very

(28:41):
big in France. They did that in the mirror in
New York they went and torture to guy for two weeks.
They hung him out the window from his legs to
give up his password. How terrifying evening, Colin.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
I'm just ringing your response to your last core Denise,
I think it was and tomorrow Yes, lovely to hear
someone else for the intelligence to keep wanting to use cash.
I can't believe those of you who think you want
to go to plastic give the whole control of money
to the banks, no knowing where they would end up
with charging for cards. You talk about using payWave, you

(29:19):
lose your or somehow misplace your what'd you say? You
do it with your phone and people can use that
all over the place without.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It tends not to happen, though, Colin. The bank seem
to be very on top of things. If if it
is a card stolen or anything.

Speaker 9 (29:36):
I remember a case very recently with someone.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And you need and you need to have two.

Speaker 9 (29:40):
Thousand something dollars before they caught up with them. Just
like using a card to a.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Four digit you need to have a four digit pin
on the phone to activate that.

Speaker 9 (29:48):
So if this was a card I was talking about,
I believe it was the same system.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
If you're a situation, I'm.

Speaker 19 (29:58):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
If you're in a situation where you've got a cell
phone and you're paying by payWave, you've either got a
iris recognition or are a thumb print recognition or a
four digit pin to activate it. So if you lost
your phone, no one else would be able to use that.
So you know there are But of course, I mean
some people still insist on having cash, like you, Colin,

(30:20):
and no one's No one's saying that cash needs to go.
All I'm saying is by some misinformation. Some people are
overly paranoic about it.

Speaker 9 (30:30):
There are people saying Kesh would go.

Speaker 18 (30:33):
I'm not hearing anything.

Speaker 9 (30:34):
Being pushed from certain quarters.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
They who who's pushing a cash in society?

Speaker 9 (30:45):
That sounds like I just said to you. You must
have heard people saying we.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Need a Colin, Colin, I'm asking you who's pushing that.
It sounds like.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
Being pushed by banks.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, okay, sep As, you're coming strong a couple of
things too, haven't you. If him frequency and I like
to do it, So the AM, it's going to be
continue with us on that for a while and then
they will turn that one off. I think I can
tell you that. So, yeah, we are on ninety four
point three FM and though to do so. The AM

(31:16):
will remain till the end of June. Then it will
be decommissioned. Might be the end of AM. So that's
what's happening. And yeah, I mean, look, if people want
to use money, you've used cash, knock yourselves out. The
only thing that I worry about is people that are

(31:38):
sometimes I talk back, gets motivated by fear, And I mean,
I think it's probably fair enough to talk about christ
Church quick, but it's a long time ago now, and
I would think probably and natural disasters, the next natural
disaster will be very, very different, and the thing that

(32:00):
will be the great concern probably won't be the lack
of cash, should be something else because things change, and
I don't think people need to spend their lives overly
worried about people think there's going to be hidden forces
and stuff like that. But if people want to use cash,
knock yourselves out that people are so passionate about it. Anyway,

(32:27):
get in touch, Marcus, the new Mona would do. Tell
their expressways due to open next week. Do we have
a chance to walk that? I wouldn't mind knowing about that.
If you could walk that always good to get the
old walker Rooney. Marcus very unfortunates about much Barnett's acl
He's been a great leader on off the field. I
hope he's a run to keep the boys fired up.
Go well. Much worries for the win this week in

(32:49):
over Cranullah. They're replaced him for Origin anyway, that is
a worry. But look, I think probably that's the measure
of a great side is that we've got so many
players prepared to step up and often that's what happens,
and we won't look back and thinking that is some
sort of trigger moment. Anyway, looking forward to what you've

(33:10):
got to say. Six away from nine, Chris, it's Marcus. Welcome,
good evening.

Speaker 20 (33:18):
Are you there, Chris, Oh hey, yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm heah yeah. Just touching on the old cash with
society and cash thing. I think me personally, I am.
It's more the bank fees that concern me. You know,

(33:38):
like you spend, you spend one hundred dollars during the
day on you know, lunch and well whatever whatever it is,
five or six transactions and and every one.

Speaker 21 (33:50):
Of those transactions costs your money, you know, and bank fees,
and that's that's what why I prefer to use cash,
and then I just feel it using it.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
And you have you have no dramas having the choice,
you'd there aren't many places where they won't take cash.

Speaker 20 (34:11):
I have come across that. Yeah, yeah, and I think
that what have you done?

Speaker 18 (34:18):
Pulled me?

Speaker 20 (34:20):
I mean, but I did get refused service during COVID
because I wasn't vaccinated, and I thought that was a
bit rough.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
But anyway, refuse service.

Speaker 20 (34:30):
From where, oh it was a grocery store down in
northeast Vally and then eat actually were we coffee still
down the road.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Here and you had to have a certificate to go in.

Speaker 20 (34:43):
Yeah, yeah, but I had already gotten and got up
to the counter and she had taken my order and
I was about to pay, and the lady and the
vexit to the young girl whispered in her ear and
so I was pretty much infected the whole place with
my unvaccinated parasize. Anyway that I was at the time
and still am. But because anyway, that's done.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Five years ago, Chris, do your memories are so strong? Wayne, Hello, welcome, Hello,
he Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 22 (35:14):
Yeah, I just want to talk to you about how
my wife and I we did a tour of Europe
and in the British Isles and we went up to
Edinburgh Castle and unbelievably at the time, there was the
fuckator here from.

Speaker 18 (35:32):
The car.

Speaker 22 (35:33):
They were representing New Zealand at the Edinburgh Castle the
big show that night, and with the New Zealand Military Band,
and as we walked up the castle to steep walk,
these two young guys came rushing towards me and I
couldn't believe they sort of like rushing to me and said, Marto,

(35:55):
you took us for our license. I couldn't believe it.
And these guys were in the group and they were
from opodiquinta car and they said and we were like,
I couldn't believe it. They spotted me from one hundred
meters away and they saw me coming up and you
took us away. Our driver's license and a predict and
I still never ever forgot that. I couldn't believe it.

(36:18):
And these all the people that all around, all these
Europeans thought we were like cerebrities.

Speaker 23 (36:23):
And they were.

Speaker 22 (36:24):
The guy said, oh I want the auto grafts, so
my wife would a stoning all your tickets. It was
amazing and it was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
It was a good spectacle too.

Speaker 22 (36:36):
It was a fantastic because a newsal the military vender
up in New Zealand and the fuckator he who had
won the I think it was a Polynesian festival at
that time in New Zealand now Matriki And it was fantastic, Yes,
the bearable expectacle. But these two young guy running towards
me say, you took us all my.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
License for me classic thanks for that one good story.
Military tetto it's coming to Eden Park. I don't know
how the sales are go. I mean it's just been
recently now and somebody just found out about it. You
might want to that as well, or the one in
Edinburgh also hit on midnight sixty five years this weekend.
Since TV in New Zealand doesn't seem that long, does it,
doesn't seem long ago at all. And by the way,

(37:19):
when they were and that was just the very beginning
of some stuff coming out of shortened Street. Then they
slowly rolled out right around the country like over the
next five years, and they get TV shows across they'd
fly them from station to station. Kind of seems quaint,
doesn't it. But yes, it seems like we were thirty

(37:40):
years behind Britain for TV. Maybe it was because we
had to make our own TV sets. I don't know
why that would be hard to ship or no one
had excess. Someone will tell me more about the history
of the TV sets in this country. We also are
talking tonight about the military tattoo, this one that's coming
to Eden Park. It's there for a number of nights,

(38:04):
but I know that if you people are under that stuff,
you'll be into that stuff. Kind of felt to me
like it'd be more appropriate to have it in the
South Island. So that's where I suggest that the majority
of the Scots or people of Scottish heritage have ended up.
But anyway, that's what's happening there. That's happening at Eden Park. Yeah,

(38:28):
I don't know what happens. I don't know if it's
the same group from Edinburgh that just reel this show
out that they're the artistic director of the subgroup. I
don't know if it's like Sirk to Slay. There's different
ones around the world at any sometime, but anyway, it's
on for three nights at Eden Park the seventy fifth anniversary.

(38:49):
I don't know if they have those run those races
stripping down guns and put them together. That seem to
be a big part of the one when it was televised.
Get in Touch with your Talk. My name is Marcus
hit Till Midnight with the Tattoo. I think the very
big one I talk about is that Edinburgh is a Yeah,
you walk up to it quite a speed tackler sitting
over sitting sitting over looking the city bed and bra

(39:11):
Nivolent's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 17 (39:13):
Yeah, good evening. I'll just you just figured a memory
of mine that got deck in the seventies where I
had they had the lack of going along to one
of the Western Spring tattoos that they had there, and
they brought in the helicopters and they brought every thing

(39:34):
you can think of, bands a lot, and I'll tell
you what what a fantastic night there was, and it
was so good I went along each night just towards
to watch the helicopters.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
What year? What year was that.

Speaker 9 (39:52):
About?

Speaker 17 (39:52):
Seventy seventy three, seventy four.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I'm saying something online. There's some images from one seventy
one that could be it as well too, couldn't it?

Speaker 17 (40:01):
Okay? Here, that could be here?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, I'd ever heard of that.

Speaker 17 (40:06):
Oh look, I'll tell you what New Zealand really really
put on the show that Even the overseas Edinburgh, they
do all the marching and things like this, but they
certainly don't put on the on the extreme shows that
they did a fantastic In fact, one guy was flying

(40:27):
a Hughey and they announced over the radio that he
just come back from Vietnam, and he was. He was
on that particular flight shift. He's bringing the helicopter in
with a twenty five pound underneath it. I thought, boy,
oh boy, I couldn't believe that we're getting such a
good show.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
And they did that for a couple of years in
the road.

Speaker 17 (40:47):
Did they navel so yes, I think that they did.
They brought her here they had won and I don't
know what I can't remember the other one. I mean,
it's gone back a long time now, but I remember
locking into the seventy three seventy five one.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, I will say, well, he's some more so it's
about forty five years ago. Interested some more calls about that.
It's Western Springs and Auckland. By the way, I'm not
quite sure. I don't know if for scythe Bars had
a military tatto or just the Caketon and Wellington. I
suspect the Caketon and Wellington, but I wouldn't be surprised
if it hasn't happened in Janina even christ to Its
for that matter. So get in touch. Nice to hear

(41:23):
from you, Nivelle. Good evening, David's Marcus, welcome, good evening.

Speaker 9 (41:27):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
You're good Dave.

Speaker 23 (41:30):
Going back to the sixties and early seventies, New Yemen
didn't import or input yet. They had an input license
or you can only empoint import a percentage of the
of the TV or machinery and rest had to be

(41:51):
made in Yeoon. Okay, that makes sense, yeah, cause I
remember I was doing my apprenticeship in those days and
engineering shops were busy throughout your Yon and we were
I think you're about to import eighty percent of the
machinery and New Jeon had to make the twenty cent

(42:12):
of it.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
So it must have been flat out making thousands of
thousands of TVs when that demand first happened.

Speaker 23 (42:18):
The well TV would have been very basic in those days. Yeah,
but there.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Were the tubes made locally.

Speaker 23 (42:28):
I got no idea. I'm going from an eye, I'm
going from an engineerian prospective. Okay, that's how farm machinery
were important, only eighty percent important, and New jon made
up twenty percent of it.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Nicely from his day. Thanks very much for thirteen past
nine hit or twelve mon. Name is Marcus, Welcome, good
evening Marcus. The first time that Edinfrew tattoo came out
of Scotland was when they had it in Wellington. I'm
not sure if it's been anywhere else, Marcus. The type eighty.
Keep the trains on for the tattoo event, David, Oh,
the trains will work, even the rail the central railroop

(43:04):
might happen. But I was actually looking at the maps
of the rail loop over the weekend just to see
how that loop works. The Southern line will start in otahuhu,
go and do the loop and end up and pook
a kohi and then back at that. Yeah, it's quite
interesting the way it all works, the way they've got
that whole central loop figured and the west Aukland line

(43:26):
becomes the eastern line. It's all on the Wikipedia people,
if you need to look at that, the military tattoo
and TV and US in when that first arrived. If
you got something different you want to be talk about,
then you're more than welcome people eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty nine nine two text if you want to
be a.

Speaker 23 (43:43):
Part of it.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
There seems to be a story on seven sharp tonight
about cash and more and more people are using cash. Well,
I haven't seen the story of just saying what people
have said about that, but yeah, I do know that
from a talkback point of view, people's ability to freely

(44:07):
use cash it's something that they're very very very paranoid
about losing it, the ability to use cash, Not that
I've ever heard that they are going to lose the
ability to use it. So yeah, it does become a
situation where people are talking about cash that people become
for every heated and also the situation with after the

(44:36):
quake in christ Church, whether you need to have cash,
and whether in fact, over the years that that needs gone,
because we've evolved and changed a great deal since then.
But you know, I'd hate for people to be overly
fastidious about keeping cash when actual thing's probably not that necessary.

(44:56):
Trips to the bank and things these days are a
real hssle. It's not easy to have cash, is it.
There's less and less money. Machines the bank sounder straightforward
as they were once getting touch Hittle twelve, Jen Marcus, welcome,
Hi be Marcus.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
I'm glad you're back.

Speaker 24 (45:16):
We missed you the last week.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 24 (45:19):
J We heard you were sick. But you're all better now.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Oh yes, that wasn't Yeah, no, yeah, I'm fine yet. No,
I'm not quite sure what the I'm not quite sure
what the nights were. But yeah, no, she's all good.

Speaker 24 (45:32):
Oh that's good. Oh well, it's nice to have you back.
My phone's hanging by a three collection out again. Yeah,
pain in the neck.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
What's happened you mean the coil bit to the phone?

Speaker 24 (45:47):
No, just the reception goes, push buttons.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
What's the phone?

Speaker 24 (45:54):
Have you got one of those flip lids things.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, it sounds fine from here.

Speaker 24 (46:03):
Oh good, So if I disappear, you'll know why.

Speaker 19 (46:07):
Yes, yes, I like cash, and I don't.

Speaker 24 (46:10):
Think everyone should have enough for at least one grocery
payment because the tools can go down and then you're stuck.
So I think you need quite a bit on you
just in case.

Speaker 15 (46:27):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I think it always bad. People won't be starving to
death because they haven't got cash. I'm sure that's not
going to be the way it works, so people. I
kind of think that people sometimes forget overly. I mean,
people didn't starve to death during christ Jewish did they?
There were people fit in and they can and they
can be work around and same and Gabriel, there can
be workarounds, can't there They didn't go to marshal law

(46:52):
or anything.

Speaker 24 (46:55):
No, but remember France, just not so long ago and
all the power.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Oh yes, I think it might have been Spain or Portugal. Yeah, okay,
good evening. Jonas market is welcome.

Speaker 25 (47:05):
Hi Marcus. You don't say very loud to me?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yes, loud and clear.

Speaker 13 (47:10):
Ah.

Speaker 25 (47:10):
Now why would you keep eggs and water Mum used
to on the farm? Cover them with some oil or
vasseline or something, and you could preserve the eggs, but
you wouldn't just keep them because people talk about whether
you have them out of the fridge, or you have
them in the fridge, or if you're going to use them,
you take them out the fridge half an hour before
you're going to make a cake, or.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I'm just reading about it. If you're off the gread
andipeps without power, you wouldn't mind you fridge. You can storey.
You don't need fridge to store eggs anyway.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
Do you.

Speaker 25 (47:39):
No, I've got a friend. She's a Scottish friend, a
lovely friend. She keeps fish. She buys fresh fish, she
puts in the bowl and water and keeps the fish
in the fridge and water. Really never heard of that, really, Yep,
that's true. I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
You think it would change the whole texture?

Speaker 25 (47:57):
Yeah, well that's what I would have thought. Oh, perhaps
she buys it that day and uses it all that
night or the next day. I'm not sure, but I
couldn't believe it when there's been a long time friend.
When I realized that years ago, I thought, oh my god,
oh proper. Still, it's a fish, you know, fish well,
fish is fairly deer.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Now I'm in Bluff and even codds up to sixty.

Speaker 25 (48:23):
And I mean I could buy Terikey Gernard and all
those lovely fish and have lovely fish meals. But you know,
we've got so much coastline and we just have such
expensive fish.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Because all the good stuffs exported.

Speaker 25 (48:34):
Yes, now, what was I going to talk about?

Speaker 18 (48:36):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (48:36):
Money, money, We all got to have money. I use
my card for like, might get the groceries and I
ask for forty dollars cash. You must have cash on you.
I mean a lot of shops are very happy when
you pass some cash and they've got some cash in
the tool. But I mean, I think, well, I don't
want to just use my card all the time. I

(48:57):
like to draw out what I want for whatever I want,
and pay cash sometimes and use my card other times.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Is I think probably? I don't think anyone's ever see
that that cash is going to be forbidden.

Speaker 25 (49:09):
No, you can't.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
But people do get really testy when they think that
they might be withholding it from them. I think people
get kind of yeah, and I don't know what the
paranoia is, but people seem to get really kind of
touchy when they think they.

Speaker 25 (49:22):
Can't you, I thought you were the one that thought
we don't need cash.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
We Oh no, I'm just saying that there's much convenience
with having it all online. You know, it's a very
very I mean, the technology is fantastic.

Speaker 25 (49:36):
But when you're buying groceries or at a shop, sometimes
there's stupid plastic streams around the EPOSS machine god by Tome.
You get in with your flight your card. I think
it's much easier for me to get money out and
pass my money over.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Okay. I don't know if that's the common experience, but anyway,
nice to hear from you, Joan. But yes, it seems
to be an age thing too. I think probably people
under sixty probably wouldn't care less about They're probably very
really open their wallet, tap tap tap away they go
and then, you know, you might have a criticism of that,
but it seems to be very much Marcus, who knew

(50:11):
would have imagined a fish would go one water? Marcus,
rather than store my eggs for eighteen months, I just
eat them. Marcus is oh, yeah, there we go. Why
are they minting you ten cent coins with the king
on them? What a ways? Who needs ten cent coins?
Are they not doing that? Are they cheapest? Do we

(50:33):
still have a ten cent coin? I should get rid
of them all. I think a fifty cent pieces to
be the smallest, wouldn't it, shouldn't it? We have a
ten cent piece, that's madness. There's a ten and a twenty.

(50:53):
We are going to get those with Charles on, Charles
in charge. I know we need a good shakeout for
the currency that we was the last time we chase
instead fifty two dollars. Any Pete, are you there?

Speaker 15 (51:17):
Marcus?

Speaker 20 (51:18):
Good?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Thanks Pete?

Speaker 15 (51:20):
Have you have you treated back in your trench?

Speaker 25 (51:21):
Have you?

Speaker 15 (51:23):
For regarding the cash and society, I'm just reading an
article here that says cash remains.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
An article from.

Speaker 15 (51:34):
What I'm on to says on the top top up
today about the cash society. It's based what you was
talking about before. But here's a little staff that says
that recent the survey found that forty three percent of
New Zealanders regularly use cash, but it's still a significant

(51:55):
part of the economy. The Reserve Bank estimates there is
about nine nine million in cash circulator in New Zealand.
It's almost.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Nine billion or nine billion.

Speaker 15 (52:10):
Sorry, nine billion yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
How much is that poer person?

Speaker 8 (52:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (52:17):
That doesn't state that here, but a lot of people
still use it.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
About five hundred bucks each, I would imagine.

Speaker 15 (52:25):
Yeah, cash cash facilities, social and cultural activities such as
the donations and rewarding buskers. There's a lot of people,
I ever don't know. Guy here a New Plymouth and
there's a few homeless people here in New Plymouth now too,
And I sort of knew the guys. I felt sorry
for them. I saw the other day they had his
stoody sex pack or ten pack up beer and it

(52:49):
was a sort of a cold, sort of a night,
and I thought, well, I felt give them twenty bucks
go and get a go and get yourself a hot meal.
Right's McDonald's. There is a place here in New Plymouth,
it's called the Tie House. We can get quite a
nice carry dish for nineteen fifth seep. So I thought,
I'll give them the opportunity. So I thought, well, you know,

(53:10):
it's in the cold night. Whiterally actually went and got
to feed at McDonald's just right across the countdown here,
and you plumouf were and got some burgles of what
if we wanted to, or he went down the street
and got a nice rice meal. But there, but they're
still But that's what I mean. If you've got cash,
you can still you see the buskers there and that.

(53:31):
If you've got coins, you can still give them a
dollar or two. So I'm just hoping it never becomes
a cash in society. But there's still a lot of
people out. You don't realize it is that the banks
are making the killing. They shut all the branches down,
all these fees they charge, we're paying into the bank's
hands as long as the cash is out there there

(53:52):
better as they're making all these fees on transactions for
your cards you use. The banks are laughing all the
way to the banks, and the less maney the bank
get the better powers.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I'm concerned, Pete, When did New Plumouth develop such a
terrible all homeless, drunk on the streets type problem down
by that bus stop area.

Speaker 15 (54:14):
Yeah, I know, that's we've got.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
It's shocking.

Speaker 23 (54:19):
We do.

Speaker 15 (54:20):
But the councils working on it.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
It's destroyed the it's destroyed the bus stop. I went,
there were the kids and the people, there were people
unbelievably out of it in the middle of the day,
just sort of wandering around abusing people, no one doing anything.

Speaker 15 (54:35):
It's a hard one. It's not really the council problem.
It's more of a government problem. Like it's hard what
do you do with them? But it's the councils are
doing their best. What they're doing now your.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Plemouth seems to be the worst I've come across for
a small town. It's just shocking.

Speaker 15 (54:54):
Yeah, it sort of stands out well.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
They go so hard to sort of build playgrounds and
have woeman and stuff. But when you go downtown and
it's like Los Angeles, you think, hang about something. He's
not right. They might be all that money coming out
of the ground out off the coast, all that oil,
but cheap as creepers. You've got problems, Oh we have.

Speaker 15 (55:14):
But it's both basically that's no, they're not home something.
They've got mental problems too. You probably would have noticed it.
They basically those people they should be put somewhere, you know,
in some sort of institution or something that they are
safe for themselves and also not scaring the business people
as well.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
It's the bus stop. It's where people are waiting to
catch buses. You know that they're seem to be congregating
and abusing people. I just thought it was really surprising. Anyway,
nice to talk to you, Pete. Thanks the recommendation on
the tie place. Too good on you see boy races
back in the news. That's well, goodness gracious to me.
That is one of the perennial news stories. I don't

(55:56):
know what the tougher penalties have gotten planned planned are
they crushed one car? Remember that didn't seem to work,
didn't it? And know what the solutions are? Anyway, it
seem we happened in a then surely good evening.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Good evening, Marcus, welcome back on board.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Nice nice to be back.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
A group of us.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Lady Swinton to the Hurricanes rugby match at the Stadium,
Wellington Saturday night. We got in there early and we
thought were hing on, we better get something for tea.
So I went up there and I ordered just a burger,
chucked in a bottler coke and she said twenty nine
dollars please, and I passed the thirty dollars and she said, sorry,

(56:42):
we don't take cash, and I said, what shouldn't We
don't take cash and I was gobsmack and the person
behind me zexed on their garden and I paid them
the thirty bucks.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Oh that was good.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Yeah, but not taking cash. I suppose they're scaredy getting robbed,
are they or something?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Look, I don't know what my only experience I went
to a number of rugby league games in Australia, probably
to a dozen stadiums, and none of them accepted cash.
So it does seem to be something that stay. And
maybe it makes it quicker for them to see a
lot of people in a hurry. Maybe it's I don't,
I don't there will be an answer. I don't know
what it is, but yeah, it's an interesting But because

(57:28):
it's interesting, I wonder if on the fine print of
their ticket they told you that, because I mean, it's
important information to know, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah, No, it's not written on the ticic because I
had a reader, but you know, when.

Speaker 11 (57:40):
I got home.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
But anyway, that was my experience, I was absolutely gobs make.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
And I don't think it's just a one off. I
imagine that this is it the cake tin, isn't it?

Speaker 18 (57:52):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
You know, I imagine they probably don't take cash for anything.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
I think last time I was there, the only time
The only time I used my card is I use
a debit card for my groceries and it comes out
of my account straight away from that. I'm a cash person.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Is there a reason for that? Just because of the
way you've always done it?

Speaker 4 (58:15):
I've always done it, and I like to keep a
check on the money, and I don't. I don't like bills.
If I get a power bill this morning, it's plaid
by lunch time. Okay, I get a phone bullet, you know,
I'm Yeah, I like to keep a check on everything
and pay my bills.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
But don't you think if you had a if you
had we're paying everything electronically, then you would have an
account of everything you'd spent, because that's literally what it is.
Every transaction would be accounted for them where it was at.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Yeah, but I don't like running bills.

Speaker 26 (58:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
If I get the bill I like, I get my
fill on email and I printed off and then I
electronically pay. It comes out of my account. But I
don't put it on a card and pay the cards
a monthly or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Okay, notice to hear from me, should thank you twenty
five to ten, Barbara twenty two to ten. Rather Barber
good evening, good Edening, Marcus.

Speaker 16 (59:10):
I heard you talking about the military tattoo in Auckland.

Speaker 11 (59:14):
Yes, where do you know where?

Speaker 16 (59:17):
In Auckland?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Eden Park?

Speaker 16 (59:20):
Eden Park.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
I think it's for three nights in a row. I
think it's expecting to be a very big event for
next year.

Speaker 16 (59:27):
No, I was just thinking, just imagine if we have
that here Inderneeding Lana car.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Wouldn't that be fantastic? Oh with that incredible view over
the Yeah, wow cheapers.

Speaker 23 (59:38):
Ye.

Speaker 16 (59:40):
Mind you Eden Parks pretty big, isn't it?

Speaker 13 (59:43):
But were it hasn't got over three nights.

Speaker 16 (59:47):
You wouldn't get everybody there all at once. You wouldn't reckon,
it'll be fabulous down here.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
You don't get that sense of drama. Eden Park. It
does feel like a sports stadium, doesn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:00:00):
I don't know too much about it, to be quite honest.
I've never been there. Is that the one they called
the cake tin?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
No, that's the well enginee Eden Parks, the Auckland one.

Speaker 16 (01:00:10):
Oh right right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
It looks a bit of of three or four makeovers
after over the years. It looks a it kind of
looks a bit kind of Jerry Bilt. I reckon, but
that's you. You got seats right You've got seats right
right round, So I'm not quite sure we'd put your
I guess you'd put the stage in the middle.

Speaker 27 (01:00:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:00:27):
Yeah, As I said, I don't know too much about it,
but when I heard you talking about I thought, oh,
Lanat Castle, how stunning.

Speaker 9 (01:00:35):
Would that be?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Do they have Do they have a vent at Lana Castle? Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:00:40):
Yes, yeah, I'm pretty sure they do. Mean imagine going
up on the roof and getting married up there with
that view over the city on a lovely summer's day
and a lovely warm day, and then walking down the
stairs to the reception room, having having a food, having
your food and photos and drinks in the first dance,

(01:01:03):
and then being escorted in tour bus is around right
right round the harbor drown the other side to the
Albatross colony.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah. I spent quite a lot of time on the Plincher,
but I've never really been to Lanek Casts.

Speaker 23 (01:01:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I don't know if I'm embarrassed to say that, but
it's I've kind of been curious, but not that curious.

Speaker 16 (01:01:24):
Oh, I've been there. It's absolutely stunning. And the day
I took a friend there from out of town and
we got up on the roof and it was it
wasn't cold, but it was just sort of overcast and misty,
and really you almost expected to see a piper coming
through the mist playing the bagpipes. It was just just stunning.

(01:01:46):
It's a beautiful place and the grounds are just glorious.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And plenty of people visited.

Speaker 16 (01:01:53):
I'm pretty sure they do.

Speaker 14 (01:01:55):
Yeah they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I don't know what their numbers would be like, but
you do see. I mean people, I've met people you
know everywhere that have always been to it and say
how impressed.

Speaker 28 (01:02:05):
They were with it.

Speaker 16 (01:02:06):
Yes, it's this it's a stunning place. Anyway, I thought
I just mentioned that.

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
No, yeah, nice, tear from you bad, but thanks nineteen
to ten. My name is Marcus. Welcome. If you've got text,
will take those you should they bother with a new
ten cent coin, Marcus. The country would be better off
by billions if we were cash. It's amazing how many
jobs are getting done for cash with ade text and GST. Yes, well,

(01:02:35):
it's a divide or the cashless society or the right
to use cash. I think there's probably a fair few
things kind of piping into that. But a paranoia evening, Thomas,
it's Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Here you go, Marcus.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Good, thanks Thomas.

Speaker 28 (01:02:54):
So just about your whole cash was thing. So I
lived in China for ten years. I just came back
about two years ago, and over there it is virtually
cashal so, I mean, they do use cash, but it's
very very rare for people to use it. It was
to the point that if you saw someone pull out cash,
the person behind you would get pretty angsty about it.

(01:03:15):
In the cashier would get frustrated. There even quite a
lot of stores that just would absolutely use it. So
I remember it when autmost about a five or sixt
year period, and I don't need to remember seeing cash.
There's a funny story of this homeless zone they ten
where he knocks on a guy's window.

Speaker 18 (01:03:34):
Person puts in.

Speaker 28 (01:03:34):
The window and decide to have any cash. So the
homeless guy pulls up a piece of our paper with
a QR code on it, you can stand and send
money into his bank account.

Speaker 20 (01:03:45):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (01:03:45):
So it's just to the point there that it is
like that.

Speaker 28 (01:03:50):
And I kind of feel that, you know, China, with
their technology and everything out there, tend to be quite
a hit on things, and so it's a good idea
of how things are going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
So it seems it seems almost like it's rude to
use cash because you're taking up people's time. People want
to get and pay. People behind the queue are actually
you're inconveniencing them.

Speaker 28 (01:04:14):
Yeah, I mean everyone was kind of I mean crazy
thing about China is generally people that are quite prepared too,
so they have their phone out ready to slap it
on the pay thing before. So people don't tend to
want to bother the person behind them. So people just
they want to be as quick as possible, which has
beneficial sessions with long queues and things like that in China.

(01:04:36):
So I just got used to it. And I just
remember one time opening your bullet and thinking, oh, I
forgot I had cash in here because it has been
so long, so they excuse it. So when I came
back to New Zealand, it got frustrating for me when
I saw people pulling out cash and like, oh, come
on to slap your card. I'm standing here waiting for
your fumble around with your boys. So I guess I've

(01:04:56):
been in China for so long I'd been conditioned to
just people quickly tapping off.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Your go next.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, although there's so much pushback from the elderly people
that are terrified of something like that happening.

Speaker 12 (01:05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:05:14):
I mean, to be honest, in China, that was probably
a few people there that probably did still use cash
the same thing. Yeah, Yeah, it just seemed very very rare.
The only time you'd actually ever used cash in China,
it was like a present. Just put it like in
a red envelope, as like a gift the kids, so
they had something tangible to hold on to. Other than that, No,

(01:05:36):
it's very very rare to actually hit the cash.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Have you come back and you've just assumed you just
you'll catch this in New Zealand as well, are you?

Speaker 7 (01:05:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:05:45):
Pretty much like I have like like one hundred dollars
in my wallet, so if you know, the power ever
went out and the internet is down and I wasn't
able to pay, it would be a backup.

Speaker 19 (01:05:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:05:55):
But I mean in the years that I've been back here,
that's never happened. So for me, I keep it there
as a backup, but the power is down or internet
is down. Other than that, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Completely catch nice to hear from your Thomas, Thank you.
Hold your horses. People, be with you soon. I'll take
you after the break, Terry, if you want to get
in touch Marcus till midnight. That's my name. Welcome. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty still in the first
seat that rail on Garris rolling Garris sablinka five jing
four ziemlinga slowly pulling herself forward in this match. Here's
a text I like evening, Marcus. All the preppers tonight

(01:06:29):
there's a higher chance of being burgled or a fire
than all the machines going down. Who needs the stress
of going to work potentially worrying about a wad of
cash at home. Tried that once, but with gold I
purchased around COVID time, it caused me so much stress.
Ended up selling it back a year again later for
a loss. I had peace of mind again having money
in the bank. At one point I was taking it
to work with me every day, which was crazy. Cheers Marcus.

(01:06:54):
I remember my grandmother taking me to the Editory Edinburgh.
A military tattoo that came to his end fifty years ago.
For the twenty fifth anniversary at Western Springs, would have
been twelve years of age and seventy five. Apparently it
was quite choppery that one, which sounds quite good. The
ones said at Wistern Springs. I don't know who put
that together. I get in touch you on the talk.

(01:07:14):
My name is Marcus Hittled twelve oh eight hundred and
eighty Tenadian text. It's amazing how much capacity people have
for worry. I guess it's a human condition, is it, Johnny,
it's Marcus. Welcome, Hey, Marcus, good, Thanks Johnny.

Speaker 29 (01:07:34):
Look, yeah, I was just just wanted to touch on
the cash sort of situation.

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
First.

Speaker 29 (01:07:42):
For myself, I quite often use I've Apple Bay on
my phone, so yes, it's just an easy tap. And
the way you go the same with the with the
cards as well anyway, But I do like to keep
a cheeky sort of ten or twenty in the wallet.

(01:08:02):
Although the onions on Saturday you need those.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
You need those because and they always smell so good too.
And they say, it seems to me is that they're
charging not enough for them.

Speaker 14 (01:08:15):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 29 (01:08:17):
Tend to think that. And you know, if if I've
usually one, two, two fifty and I've a five, I suppose, yeah,
I don't expect to change back. I just tell him
to keep it or if I'm feeling a bit hungry,
I will take the two well now and again one

(01:08:39):
for the for the misses as well. But it's just
a good excuse to pop in the bunning too, so
so that's always good. But uh yeah, that's sort of.
I don't mean to be rude or offend the older generation,
but it seems as though they are more the ones
that tend to like to have cash cash one hand,

(01:09:03):
or prefer to use cash over your cards. Like I
was listening to one of the previous callers and she
she was quite certain on using cash over a card
or making bank transfers or transactions using her phone. But
I mean, my parents and grandparents are the same side.
I don't know if it's just a generation or not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Oh you've got to you've got to. Yeah, I mean
it requires a certain you know, when you technology often
need to have someone to guard you through it as
well too.

Speaker 29 (01:09:34):
Yeah, yeah, of course of course. But yeah, no, look,
and I don't know if I heard you correctly or
not better did you say that there was an FM
channel FU coming for yees?

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
It started I think ninety four something four point three, right, Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:09:57):
I'm a bit of an active listener of news of
ZB I quite listening, like listening to Carry in the
morning with I work in Toka, ro but the ninety
seven FM channel works there, but I travel over from Rover,
so I have to hang on and waiting slug get

(01:10:18):
to work to be able to listen to you guys,
so that that'll be good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Let us know, give us a review. Wants to know
what the new frequency is. It is like the two
of the album off. So thanks for that, Johnny. That's
good to know that. Ye FM ninety four point three.

Speaker 19 (01:10:32):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
That's a situation there. The old one was on AM
that will be decommissioned by the end of June. I
feel also too that for people that adverse to using
electronic forms of paying for things like their cell phone

(01:10:55):
or cards, I mean there were a lot of there's
a lot of fear mungering that went on. Firstly for
contactless pay when you could just tap near a phone
and so near a terminal you could pay for something.
When that technology was first rolled out, there was all
sorts of scaremongering that you would be paying for other
people's groceries and stuff like that. Well, none of that

(01:11:18):
really happened. I've never, to my knowledge paid for anyone
else's groceries because of a loose swipe or a loose
swipe of the cell phone, so I think that was
probably putting fear around a technology to those people. The
other thing that I was mindful about was that phone

(01:11:41):
banking is a really good thing. To be able to
do stuff by phone banking is incredibly Those banking apps
are fantastic. Rather having to go to the bank and
withdraw money and then pay it out and do stuff
like that, it makes it so much straightforward. But unfortunately,
just as there was the uptake for phone banking, there

(01:12:02):
was also a lot of news stories about cyber scams,
and I think people got those two stories conflated. They
thought that phone banking itself was unsafe, which seems to
be if you do it right, seems to be largely
very safe. And if there is a regular payment, the

(01:12:24):
banks were fairly quick to let you know and then
not on of the charges and stuff like that that
they seem to be take that very seriously, but that's
my experience anyway. I just think the whole situation, you're
having to keep a large cash reserve at home and
having to replenish it and not use it wastefully and
stuff would require a fair bit of discipline. Anyway, that's

(01:12:47):
just me. Thirteen past ten. If you want to talk
here till midnight, the number is eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and nine two nine two to text do
get in touch here till twelve. If you want to
come through, Jimmy, it's Marcus. Welcome, You're good, Jimmy cool cool.

Speaker 14 (01:13:04):
I'm older some just thinking to myself, what would happen
if say someone had torrible s pus machine and they
were just walking around time everywhere and everywhere and just
seeing if people's like Pete We's or whatever, we'll go through. Well,
what do you think about th M.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
I imagine it's feasible, but you couldn't do it very subtly.
You left having a bag and sort of run your
bag quite close to people's wallets, wouldn't you.

Speaker 14 (01:13:33):
I'll say, so far, you know, whatever can happen will
happened in it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Yeah, and then the bike the bank might cancel your case.

Speaker 12 (01:13:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I haven't heard any chances of it, but you don't
even know. Around the world there might be some tourists,
some tourist on pet trains or something. People doing it.

Speaker 22 (01:13:48):
Yeah, you have no order concert or something like, you
might be worth.

Speaker 30 (01:13:53):
To go there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Jimmy hadn't thought about that, Thank you. Sixteen past ten
eight hundred and eighty Tenadian nine two nine two de text.
If you want to come through, I'll tell What's something
that's always left me cold? No, I'm not saying I've left.
It's left me cold something I know very little about.
And I don't want to sound like I'm doing some
great integet generational dive here. I've never really used TikTok.

(01:14:24):
Give me a call if you think I'm missing out
on anything. I don't think I am. In fact, I
find the other social media sites becoming less and less interesting,
particularly Facebook. Who are those people hanging in the comments section,
like hanging around news websites saying things like or slow
news day? I mean the mindlessness that masks much such

(01:14:50):
crippling loneliness or whatever it is. It's depressing, honestly, if
you can look any of these comments sections on people
just sitting around bored, stupid, waiting to say something nasty.
What do I live your life? You're gone to a tiebreaker.

(01:15:12):
The first several ink is youing four to three? Seven?
Inker up at the stage at six games all they
were tired at Trusha Marcus.

Speaker 19 (01:15:19):
Welcome, Marca's first time caller.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Nice to hear from you.

Speaker 19 (01:15:26):
Thank you, thanks for having me pleasure. I'm originally from India,
so basically, yes, I made some recent trips. And when
you travel in India, it's every ten kilmeters you're going
to find it is a toll road. So basically all
the four wheelers got there is a sticker that you
pay for it and every toll road you pass you

(01:15:47):
directly get paid for those money deducted from the account.
Now there is a scheme going on. There is a
window washes like we have here. There are the kids
who usually does it, and they have some sort of
wearable watch. So when they wipe your window, they bring
the watch watch clear to next to your the reader

(01:16:09):
and in a few minutes, right away you get a
message the money gone out from your account and they're
run away. So yeah, and I faced it. So I
removed a sticker and I keep in a dashboard so
only when I need it, I take it out and
put it on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
So did they scare. Was it a QR type code
or was the contactless payment that they that they scanned
it with.

Speaker 19 (01:16:32):
Like a contactless payment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Okay, I don't even Tricia, I didn't even know they
had toll roids in India, so I'm funding that's free. Interesting.
How much money did they get.

Speaker 19 (01:16:40):
Man, depends how much you put so their kids have
those variables. Basically, if the prepaid says take five hundred
rupees or a thousand rupees and they tried, if they
get lucky there, you got the money detected from your account.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Is that much money in New Zealand terms?

Speaker 19 (01:17:00):
So thousands bucks Indian is about twenty years Gian dollar? No, okay,
well yeah, but if you'll see in every one of
our more than five hundred cars goes, and if they
get fifty cars out of it, yeah, that's a two
hundred that's a thousand dollars dollars. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Is that a recent scam tree show that's been around
for a while.

Speaker 19 (01:17:22):
It's been around for about say that a year now.
So they are trying to nab the people and the
police are staying around where the stall roads are, where
the toll check points are.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Nice to hear from your Trisha, thank you very much
that twenty one past ten, good evening shoe. It's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 7 (01:17:38):
I get a Marcus. You know you may hue the
rebbit men. You know, I run a peace control business
and right now I'm heading home because I'm do week.
But I've got twenty four rabbits in one possible to that,
And I wanted to talk to you about the Facebook thing,
like EATA hundreds A terror is my business name, and
I put up on the echo hundreds ill that I'll

(01:17:59):
shoot people's pokers for them if they're causing a piece
or renuisance, which you can do at the moment because
see game bird season and who goes a game bird?
And the next minute the accusations are flying like I
suppose you got to kill Kiwi's. I suppose you got
to kill Keckapo. I suppose you got to kill saddlebacks

(01:18:20):
and turies as well. And I'm thinking, how the hell
do you get from? You know, if pooka gives the
causing a problem in your garden because they predate on things.
Figure gets come into people's chicken houses and eat their chickens,
eat your chicken eggs, eat their vigetable patch and eat
the native frogs out of their ponds, and so people

(01:18:40):
sometimes asking to go and shoat them or get rid
of them, which you can do during the duck shooting season.
And you get from that to being slagged and bagged
and about two clicks and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
People just people just seem to want to escalate everything
so quickly. There's never any room for reason discussion. People
just know it's always comes up. I suppose the next
thing you'll do is, you know, I I don't even
know where people. I mean, they must be bored and
they must be lonely, but I can't work out where
the joy comes to them.

Speaker 7 (01:19:14):
I think they just hate us. I think they just
hate the world. And then they have much to do,
and so they just think, Okay, well I was slagging
beg this person today, and I've been slagging and beg
so much about my hunting business.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
I think the big thing is they can do it anonymously.
The text I get, you know, on air, the text
I get are just atrocious, but they're always They're always
just done from some sheer point of nastiness or spitefulness.
You know, you could say one thing. I suppose you know,
it's just heartbreaking how sad these people's lives are.

Speaker 7 (01:19:53):
But it's also ignorance. Like on the on the Possible thing,
people say, oh, the lovely little theory animals. Why would
you kill a possible And you go, what the hell
are you talking about? And you say, you know, you
do know that possibly birds eggs and eat chicks and
compete for native birds for nectar and fruit. So if
you have a lot of possums, you're heaving native birds

(01:20:14):
because there's nothing for the native birds to eat. And
the whole thing about them saying what the Department of
Conservation called opportunist carnivores. They you would think that possum
is an omnivore, sorry, herbiv wore. It eats only herbs,
but they're only Actually they're actually an omnivore and they
are a casual carnivore that they will supplement the herbivore

(01:20:39):
with meat, which makes them an omnivore. And somebody wrote
on the Facebook page that photo of the possum eating
the beers eggs were set up by Department of Conservation
and they smeared the eggs with peanut butter in order
to attract the possum, and you go, you've got to

(01:21:00):
be kidding, mate, you know, you're just in the same
And then they go, you know, possible state do any harm?
Possibly lovely the same thing about rabbits. Say oh, but
I love watching rabbits in my backyard, and they go, okay, whatever,
can't really help you with that, but oh, come in
and shoot them if you want me to, you know, shoo.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
It sounds how many how many members or followers of
you on this Facebook page?

Speaker 7 (01:21:26):
I probably only go one hundred and one hundred and
forty eight I figures on my Facebook page.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
It seems like a waste of time because otherwise you
actually spend your whole time shutting down idiots or confronting them,
or it just goes fearal. So it's almost not worth
evy one, now, is it?

Speaker 30 (01:21:41):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
No, I think it is good because I use Facebook
to notify people when I'm hunting in certain areas. Yeah,
I might put up something, and why can I say,
okay shooting on the work and I golf course tonight.
You may hear some gun for her. You may hear
some season spotlight. So we see a man walking around
with a gun in the middle of the night and
they need to call the police because they're already informed
them I'm going to be there. You raise an activity
order with the police at standard procedure, and so people

(01:22:04):
throwing up and say, oh, man with a gun on
the work and golf course. The police go, oh, yeah, no,
we know that that's a huge ego hunds that he's
doing his thing tonight. But you get from doing something
really positive like test control to being slagged and begged
for doing something really negative like doting little fluffy animals,

(01:22:24):
And it's like, you know, what did this connect? The
gathering one is people talk about, God, I'm the pugare thing.
Why are you killing native birds?

Speaker 23 (01:22:35):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:22:35):
And they say, oh, you've been killing kiwi's next, and
you'll be killing carcaphone next because you're killing native birds. Okay,
so the puka. There's several layers of native bird. There's
endemic native birds only found in New zeald Kiwi, moa, pakapo,
those sorts of things. Oh, they were endemic to New
Zealand and only found in New Zealand. Then there's native

(01:22:57):
birds self introduced, so these are birds that have come
across from Australia. The spear wing clover is one of them.
The pukaar another one that came to New Zealand about
one thousand years ago, and once they've been here for
one hundred years, they get designated as native species self introduced.

(01:23:17):
But then you've got the situation where a perky go,
which is a native bird self introduced, is also a
game bird. It could be shot game breuer shooting season
which is from now and from August May to August,
and then people go, okay, why are you shooting beautiful
poky ghosts And you get to take that word fishing

(01:23:39):
game the same reason we're shooting mallards because if we
didn't shoot mallards, we'll be able to run with them.
And then they go, oh, you must be going to
shoot key, which as well, you're a trono.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I'm hearing you. But even by engaging with them, you're
wasting your time, aren't you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
Yeah, Well, what I've what I tend to do now, Mark,
and I went down that rabbit hole if your part
of the pun more than once or twice and engage
with people. And in the end, I just put up
my post that what I'm doing, what I'm shooting. Take
the offer and let them, you know, blow smoke up
to each other's back and let them just get on

(01:24:16):
what's going around around our circles, staying and begging people.
And I just stay out of it once I put
it up there, and that's the best way to deal
with it, because otherwise it becomes obsessive and and sense
the compulsive and all consuming, and it is a negative
fect on your head space. You're going to give me
attitude about it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
All, I agree, So you nice to talk to you.
Thank you for that call. Keep your calls coming through
if you want to talk. We are talking Facebook and
the comments section. It's kind of crazy and something that
was always quite good fun where you can have actually,
you know, it's just it's gone. It's over, I think.

(01:24:58):
And the things they post, the things the algorithm sends you.
I mean, it's not what you make through up to
these days. It's I'm begeting a huge amount of post
from National Party MPs. I've got no idea why. It's
not really my wheelhouse. I'm not that interested, but endless
of them saying oh you know, I'm saying not interested,

(01:25:19):
and they still pop up. So I'm not quite sure
what's happening there if they're on a recruiting driver, quite
what's happening. But they got that one wrong. But get
in touch you on to talk for The number is
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Michael, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 31 (01:25:34):
Yeah, hello, Marcus. Yes, you're talking about military tattoos. And
I went to a military tattoo down by. Must have
been Pirr or.

Speaker 11 (01:25:45):
I hear an earlier ca yeah, someone to say that, yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:25:49):
Yes, so it must have been there. I forget exactly where,
but it was certainly in that area. And it was
pretty good for like a regional show. But the part
that I remember the best, and which I still remember
with great delight, involved the local policemen and all their dogs.
And they had these dogs jumping in and out of

(01:26:11):
vans and doing other things and leaping over stuff. And
then the announcer said, well, now we're going to show
you how a dog would track down a bad guy.
And so they came out with this dog and it
was dressed in the colors of the local football team

(01:26:33):
I think it was Counties, I think it was. And
then the dog was sniffing around for a while and
out from behind one of the obstacles that was there
came this criminal, this bad guy, and of course he
was dressed in the colors of the Canterbury football team,
so the red and black of Canterbury and ah, it
was just the funniest thing that I can remember at

(01:26:55):
a military tattoo.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
So I remember those kind of events were quite common
once upon a time. They often be events like that
with often seeing the police dogs pursuing someone with cricket
wickets on their arms and legs, and it seemed to
be something that would happen. There'd be often community shows
like that with the armed services and law enforcement as well.

Speaker 23 (01:27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:27:17):
Well, I can't comment on that. I haven't been to
that very many of them, but this one was particularly
memorable for the local color for me anyway. So that's
all I got for you mate.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Nice to hear from you, Michael, Thanks so much that
twenty eight away from eleven Welcome people, Marcus, myself and
my part were lucky enough to attend the tattoo and
twenty forteen Edinburgh Castle the year of homecoming of a
cast of more than one thousand and twenty fourteen at
Edinburgh absolutely amazing with ten of Winn and Wellington and
are going to Eden Park. Trevor Marcus's children used to

(01:27:57):
stand in the footpath in the main street and watch
the TV in the department still window, but later we're
fortunate to be the only house in the street with
the TV sensation, A flickering black and white picture with
a cumbers and wooden cabinet had to skid up and
change dial on the set. Menually neighbors would knock on
the door or call on the bake light phone to
ask and they could come and watch TV. Erone never
seemed to work properly, Marcus. People troll and hate because

(01:28:25):
it gives them a dopamine it, even if it's negative attention.
Brilliant twenty seven Away from eleven had a discussion on
social media. Ever, but that's a pretty interesting thing to

(01:28:46):
talk about, I think, because yeah, I did, you know,
I just thought, wow, some of it's just it's just
so bad and there's still a little bit of good
stuff that still drawls. You win, you know, I think
I actually have a bit of a look at that.
But they think jeep is creepers. Oh wow, wow, wow,

(01:29:12):
goodness me, that is something someone's just sent me a
text and avate item on trade. We thank you for that.
Neither my previous or my former. Oh want to hang on,
let me have a bit more look at that. Actually
I might be wrong about that one. Hey, Calvin Kelvin,

(01:29:34):
it's Marcus. Good evening, very.

Speaker 30 (01:29:36):
Good evening to you, Marcus. I've heard most of your program,
but not all of it. I've rung up a bit
of tattoos and the bagpies, professor, just want to I
don't know if anybody mentioned to you or not. New
Zealand had colored TV before Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
I didn't know that. I wonder why they were slow
at that.

Speaker 30 (01:29:53):
I do not know. I had a feeling you didn't
know that. That's why I thought, you know, with me
the fountain of all knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
That's good.

Speaker 30 (01:29:59):
Trying to impress, trying to impress the radio hosts Now
the thing you had a call a WHI back too.
He's talking about tattoo and he was calling it calling
a tattoo and he said it was Fijian from Fiji
or Fijian word. But also in my dictionary, tattoo or
tattoo is from what was what have I written? I

(01:30:23):
scribbled down here Tahiti? So that would that would come
about from the different Polynesian islands. Yeah, but the military
part of it, the music and all that, that's originally
from the Dutch, the Dutch part of it. But so
that's all I know really about tattoos. I've seen, you know,
those different pregums on TV. They're very spectacular, right. But

(01:30:47):
I wanted to really mention also about the the bagpipes.
And of course you know you're talking earlier on about
bag pipes originally supposedly coming from Ireland, because all the
Scottish people came from Ireland originally they were the same people.
And but the main thing, but I wanted to say
about bag I think you are aware the world's grow

(01:31:09):
what I consider the world's greatest ever exponent of playing
the bagpipes. Who do you reckon that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Alive or dead.

Speaker 30 (01:31:23):
Dead now unfortunately died recently. Anyway, I'll let you know.
Glenn Campbell, the American country and Western singer.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Now I'm thinking I saw him perform and it must
have been nineteen ninety in the open town hall, and
I have a vague recollection he might have brought the
bagpipes out. I'm almost sixty five percent sure of it.

Speaker 30 (01:31:48):
Yes, well, you're probably one of was incorrect. I have
seen him on a couple of TV programs and him
and and the rest of his crew were standing crossways
across the stage and then somebody from the side stage
he had carried out his bagpipes, and he chuckled and
called out to the viewers that and he said the words,

(01:32:09):
my goodness, you what did you say something rather about?
You know, you're probably wondering where where does this man's
talents finish? But he played the bagpipes, and he's got
a few records that he plays. Mull of Kintire with
the bagpipes is fantastic. Glen Campbell, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
He was a very He was a very compelling stage artist.
He had good crack between the songs and great songs
as well. So yeah, well, I don't I don't know
if any of his particular songs incorporated the bag I
mean it covers, did they? But Bonaparte's Retreat that wasn't
one of.

Speaker 7 (01:32:47):
His, was it? No?

Speaker 30 (01:32:49):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
No.

Speaker 30 (01:32:51):
But that original big, big time TV show he had
on New Zealand TV when he come out come outside,
what was the real flesh clothing he is wearing? With
all the bits and peace dangling and what.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Is that the rhinestones and stuff?

Speaker 30 (01:33:09):
Yeh yes, Austria. I couldn't think of the word Ryan,
I've got you back. Yep, Yes, Rhyanstone Cowboy that was,
and that that particular TV program that he had going
for years and years?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Would you are you curious? Would they get you to
all clan the military tattoo?

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
No?

Speaker 30 (01:33:27):
No, I just said, this is the first season. I
haven't gone across the white out of the Mighty Wikata
River to see the Wyke Bay plany magic play TV.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
They'll be missing here.

Speaker 30 (01:33:40):
Well, they made it very difficult to finish to get
tickets because originally I used to buy the tickets from
the central down the City Council Central Library, and then
they closed that part of it and two or three
doors along the.

Speaker 9 (01:33:58):
The what was the now?

Speaker 18 (01:33:59):
What is that?

Speaker 30 (01:34:00):
What is that thing called?

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Now?

Speaker 30 (01:34:01):
They earn just about every town take a tick? No,
a different word. No, it's to do with different things
in general. I can't I can't think of the word. Anyway,
whatever it was, they moved along and then they moved
from there and Garden Place right next door to the
Holmelet City Council uh not the I not the I

(01:34:23):
C I can't they do not the ID no, no, no, no,
that's tax tax tax tax.

Speaker 18 (01:34:29):
No.

Speaker 30 (01:34:30):
They you go and there and they got all information
and all that sort of a carry.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
The information center or the the what is that called?

Speaker 30 (01:34:41):
There are in a lot of a lot of the
towns and cities. Anyway, they they can stop. They closed
part of it down.

Speaker 11 (01:34:50):
And last year, I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Dan, what is that called? You know your place? You
get everything?

Speaker 30 (01:34:56):
I sight, I sight, You're onto?

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
It took us a while, isn't it.

Speaker 30 (01:35:00):
Jeer, Yeah, yeah, I been a d s I tu. Anyway,
I drove in the rain through the cambridge to Eyesight
and bought a Bloomer ticket, then and drove back to Hamilton.
And then also later on in the season, I was
able to go this tiny little counter at the main
Claudon Showgrounds building where the big Nepeal game was going

(01:35:24):
to be held. An hour beforehand. I was able to
go the head of the tiny counter and buy a ticket.
But you haven't got much of a choice. All the
good ones are gone. So this time I decided, oh blood,
I can't be bothered, so I stay home and I've
either seen it, I haven't got sky, but I sent
it on ordinary TV and also listen on the radio

(01:35:44):
to the game Kelvin.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
How many years have you been going along to watch that?

Speaker 30 (01:35:49):
To then Apple? Probably from the eighth from the nineteen eighties,
halfway through the eighties or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
That's forty years and just through bad ticketing you stop going.
That's trade chick.

Speaker 30 (01:36:02):
Yeah, but I forget. My age comes into it too
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
OK, eighty four now, so.

Speaker 30 (01:36:08):
You know I'm not when I've got to be home
before it's dark, locked and sighed and fully medicated.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
H Hello, Mariat's Marcus. Welcome, I'm Marcus. I'm Mary.

Speaker 27 (01:36:29):
Sorry. I'll can hear your voice from the radio and
then you's here as well. Have you ever heard a
haunting lament on the bag pipes that's used at funerals
called dark Isle?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Has that last word spelled.

Speaker 27 (01:36:47):
I L I s l E, meaning you know I loan?

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
I listened to that during the news because only the
thing the trouble about bagpipes, there's not I mean, you
normally always hear Scotland the Brave, don't you, but some
are which is probably more a go for it, upbeat
marching song, but it is probably the laments like Dark
Isle are the ones where the real power isn't it?

Speaker 19 (01:37:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Certainly, Yeah, I'll give that one and listen to Mary.
Not that I'm planning a funeral song. I'm always Marcus.
The best bagpipe song is Going Home, written by Mark
Kanoffler from Dire Straits. Was that Chris Carter's theme Jim
when he did Nighttime Talk? I know his was Mark Kanoffler.
I don't know if it was that going I think
it might.

Speaker 23 (01:37:33):
Have been.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Went to the Tattoo, whether it abolutely Britain can't afford
to go to walk and prices quite high plus flights
love the bagpipes. We're talking about the great songs accentuated
by the bagpipes too. It's a bit like corianderity used
sparingly but effective when it's used correctly. I feel like

(01:37:57):
I feel like, does Bonnie totally use them? I feel
like in some of those female super ballads they use
them the selink crank the pipes and anything. Maybe she
does good eving make it's Marcus, welcome, Hi.

Speaker 8 (01:38:14):
Marcus din. I've got to see here in my collection somewhere,
and it's called hot Chili Pipers and it's a brilliant
recording the Bagfires playing rock music. But also I believe
the medium type village somewhere in the north Strongman to

(01:38:35):
look after wayward kids.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Tell me that again.

Speaker 8 (01:38:41):
The band itself is called Hot Chili Pipers. Yeah, and
they set up this village, please my memories getting past it,
and they have it is to look after wayward youth
and keep them up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Are you a military tattooed type person?

Speaker 32 (01:39:07):
Met?

Speaker 8 (01:39:08):
I had twenty three years in the military and I
took part of one in Auckland doing what we were
part of a gymnastics display.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
No ye, any good?

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
Ah, I'm not reasonable. People were better than I was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Well, there's the trouble with it. I mean what we're
jumping over like a pomber horse.

Speaker 8 (01:39:31):
Were you of the pomber horse and the yeah, those
sorts of things, and then group you climb and make
a pyramid out of people, and then you come and all, yeah,
we do things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
I mean to me, the whole entertainment version of it
sounds a bit low brow to me, just human pyramids.
But you know people seem to love it, don't they.

Speaker 8 (01:39:53):
Yeah, they do actually, but it's yeah, I hadn't been that.
That's the only one I think that I've been to.
I was seeing the Edinburgh one on the Telly and
that that's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Yeah, okay, nice to hear from your mac.

Speaker 19 (01:40:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Where would I put it on the things I'd like
to do a military tattoo, I'd put it probably well, yeah,
i'd probably put it on the same level as seeing
a high school production of Lost Horizon? Is that a thing?
What's it when they find the word? What's when they
find the world?

Speaker 11 (01:40:26):
And this?

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
What is that dreadful high school musical? When they find them?
Sort of? Was it Shangri La or that place in
the heavens? Anyway? So yeah, I don't know if i'd
be going, but I'm curious hear people's stories about that. Marcus.
Check out two hundred bagpipers playing Amazing Grays backing a
male a black male singer. It's recorded a concert in Berlin,
available on YouTube. Check it out. I was absolutely blown

(01:40:50):
away and the first time a content in your primate
couldn't resist passing on this info to you. Regards Chrissy
from christ Church. Thank you, Christy from christ Church. Someone
said tears for Fears with the song shout features the bagpipes,
does it? But does it really showed shout? I can't

(01:41:14):
think where that kicks it actually. Bagpipe cameos is probably
were have pivoted to tonight. Who would be New Zealand
and maestro of the bagpipes. We've never really had one,
have we. If I said, name a famous New Zealand bagpiper,

(01:41:35):
so the first piece would spring to mind would be
Chick Little Wood. I think on one of those Endless
Kid shows he did he would do that. He'd Midnight.

(01:41:56):
My name is Marcus. Welcome twelve past eleven. Good evening, Brian.

Speaker 6 (01:42:01):
Yeah, Hi Marcus. This is a subject there's a little
bit off what you've been talking about tonight, but where
I have a holiday home in the Muldi Sounds, and
it's just been highlighted to us that the permit has
been issued to an Australian gold mining company as an

(01:42:24):
exploration permit all around the area of the inlet, quite
a prestigious native bush area, well known for Ferno Lodge
and the pines in the area sort of the base
area of the Muldi Sounds. I'm just sort of wanting

(01:42:45):
to highlight the fact we're absolutely astonished that the government
would go ahead an issue such permit. Obviously they're trying
to sort of promote the mining in and throughout New Zealand,
but in such an area like that, were absolutely astounded

(01:43:07):
that they would even look at look at it or
allow it. You know, there's a lot of the Queen
Charlotte Walkway goes right through the area and it's nine
to thousands and thousands of people throughout the country.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Look, Brian, Firstly, thanks bringing up and telling me. Secondly,
I had no idea that was gold bearing country. I
knew there was gold rushes well to the west of
Nelson at Tucker Hild had no idea there was gold there.
I guess they're looking at gold and antimony. But not
only is it a crazy place to mine, it's an
incredibly difficult place to mine because of accessibility and everything.

(01:43:47):
That just sounds gasty to me.

Speaker 6 (01:43:50):
It is well there was back in the late eighteen
hundreds there was a my antonymy mine right in the
very corner about two thirds throughout the Mountain Mountain, which
mountain just left of Mount Fernery, which is behind Mount
It's right in the corner. It basically leads over into

(01:44:11):
Port Gore. So and also there are a couple of
mines over behind the pines area up and there shafts
basically up behind the where the holiday homes are. Now.
The area that they've given them a permit for is
basically all the way around that base area of endeavor

(01:44:35):
in it and over into Port Gore and as far
through as I think it's Resolution Bay. But yeah, it's
something we need to highlight because of the fact that,
you know, thousands of people walk that track. We've been
there for over almost over seventy years, through grandparents and
so forth, and there are a lot of not only

(01:44:58):
permanent residents but holiday homes around the area. The biggest
concern too is the fact that there's so many walked aways, springs,
natural springs and all of that. And also it's a
very you know, there's been quite a number of slips
obviously over the last two or three years. The last
thing we would either want to see is mining the

(01:45:21):
marine reserve, the marine the marine environment.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
It just seems to me is there would be an
incredibly expensive place to mind anything with excess and building
roads and it just seems crazy to me looking at it,
and look, I think I think with some of these schemes,
I think like happening a number of years ago, and
they started at wanting to start mining Great Barrier, and
people spoke in marches and such huge numbers that the

(01:45:46):
government realized that there was no way in the world
they could do that. Now, particularly when they're reckon the
tourism numbers are on the way up, they'd want to
do something like that in Marlborough sounds it's just madness.

Speaker 6 (01:45:56):
It would be absolutely, yes, Subert. We were surprised that
they would even allow them to have a permit. So
hopefully your who's.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Your member of Parliament, Ryan, because I presume it's a
pretty conservative area at your holiday place, isn't it It is?

Speaker 6 (01:46:14):
Yes, Yeah, there are holiday homes. We've had family down
in that area right from it was very first developed,
you know, going from a small little farming community to
a to a holiday area, so it's we've got quite
an attachment to the area. But also you know, it's
just we we just feel that it's madness, So do

(01:46:36):
a lot of us. And you and you're getting We've
spoken to you're.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Getting organized now here we are and I've spoken to
a number of people have the weekend too, that were
you know, just saying hey, they're thinking of doing this
or that. You know, it seems as though the mining
stuff is getting out now and people are appalled by
what they're seeing.

Speaker 6 (01:46:54):
Oh yes, yes, Well what astonishes me too is that
this company is actually mining down somewhere in the gray
Mouth region I believe, or in the west on the
West coast, and they're trying to expand their operation further.
So this is the reason why they've taken out Siren
gold this pyramid.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Brian, did you say that they've historically mined atimony?

Speaker 32 (01:47:18):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Is that what you said before?

Speaker 6 (01:47:20):
You see what it was in the mid to late
eighteen hundred and there was a mine up in the
top corner, but they tried mining it, but they did
actually find that in latter years and nineteen seventy they
did another exploration on that mine area. They found that
there wasn't enough antonemy and possibly gold to actually carry on.

(01:47:45):
But of course there's terms of progress.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
So the question from the eighteen fifties what were they
what was entimony used for?

Speaker 6 (01:47:52):
Mainly mainly in the hard and I don't know the
truths student. My father was involved with printing a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:47:59):
Of the lead.

Speaker 6 (01:48:02):
It was used as a hardness for lead for lead
time to do with printing for let typhons. So now
it's got a very The value of an anthony has
gone considerably because it's used in a lot of like
your iPhones and the electronics and all that type of stuff.
So the demand has increased and about one hundred thousand ton,

(01:48:26):
so you know it's quite becoming quite lucrative.

Speaker 18 (01:48:30):
For them to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Appreciate you calling Brian, keep in touch with how progress
goes with that. Find that faustating, not in a good way, Colin,
it's Marcus.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
Welcome, Yeah, good Marcus.

Speaker 18 (01:48:42):
Hell.

Speaker 26 (01:48:43):
Look I got some information for you about the your piper.
You're looking for a piper. DeLine had a world champion
piper back and I'm guessed in the eighties. He's ables
Allen Dodge is my wife's Covina.

Speaker 18 (01:48:57):
He used to teach.

Speaker 26 (01:48:58):
He used to teach piping and Todd, hey we're just
Scotland and cleaned them up over there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Well, we love that, We love a scott We love
you on to go to Scotland and winning. It's something
like that. That's great.

Speaker 26 (01:49:09):
His name was Alan Dodd.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Is he still on the pipes. Is he still alive?

Speaker 26 (01:49:13):
Oh no, he passed await quite a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Now an any and he went there and he beat
them at what they did. Yes, brilliant. Good to hear,
Alan Dodd. There we go, nineteen past eleven. Oh, quite right,
the man was too. Antimony is used to increase the
hardness of alloys with lead alloys for batteries, with lead

(01:49:35):
copper tin alo for machine bearings. It's also used an
automotive clutch and break parts. The other mace major use
is as antimony trioxide, which is used for the production
of a flame retardant chemicals. I don't know what's chemical.
I don't fully it's not as an element. Maybe it's

(01:49:59):
an element. Actually I need to know more. I don't
think it's anything I've ever just cast. Is antimony. Yes,
it's an element, a metalloid, just ploastic in the product
table with many similar chemical properties silvery white and brittle,

(01:50:23):
not abundant antimony number fifty one, quite silvery shiny looking thing. Actually,
well it's a metaloid. There you go, And there is

(01:50:47):
antimony in New Zealand. I don't know if anyone's mind
it with any I've got a book on the history
of different things they've mined in New Zealand over the years.
It's quite fascinating. I look up whether antimony was mined.
Pretty well everything they gave a go with, but never
very successful. H So you might want to mention that

(01:51:09):
also people intimony uh significant deposits, particularly in the reefed
in area and previously minineers like Endeavoring let reefed and

(01:51:30):
could hold five percent of the world supply for intimony
old reef and Eh. Good evening, don ats Marcus, welcome,
Hi Don.

Speaker 18 (01:51:45):
Hi, how are you good? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Good so you Marcus, Yes, Don.

Speaker 18 (01:51:50):
Got nice to catch up with you. Marcus. You've been
talking about bagtipes at the middle during the night and
no one managed to pick up where the bag types
actually came from, which was quite surprising. Sorry Spain, No,

(01:52:11):
no miles out. They came from India. They originated out
of India. And back in the old days there were
a couple of guys down in Omaru by the name
of Nile and Alan McPhee. And Neil had a great

(01:52:34):
love for anything Scottish and he was in the police
force at the time, and then he decided that he
would go into making bagpipes and the kilts and everything else.
He started up the Police pipe Band ended and he
taught many of the pipe bounds throughout the country, in

(01:52:58):
particularly in the colleges that were quite strong in those days.
And when Helen came back from the war for business
with them, and they expanded their operation and their their
sister Mary Allen joined them and they went over. She
would order all the tartans in from overseas and she

(01:53:20):
would make up the tartans in Courtney Place in Monton
and make them all into kilts. Plays the whole kitten Cadurral.
So it's quite unusual the flace like India. But don't
worry about the poor Irish, because they had their own
bagpipes of a type. Their bagpipe was called the Union pipes,

(01:53:44):
and they didn't blow the bag up and could press
the year. They had a pouch on the on the
side of their arm under tied to their arm and
they were just waited backwards and forge and pumped the
bag up from there, but made a beautiful sound. And
me then Neil and Allen of course started making bagpipes.

(01:54:06):
It was a rather interested business for them because they
made the whole, all the drones and the reds and
the the the bags, the chances any other jolly thing
that the bag bots us in the chant exist. And
it was quite a big business. And unfortunately Neil passed
on and then Alan passed on and the business was

(01:54:29):
sold to some other people, and I just don't know
how it's going today, whether it's still around it the
High I believe it's moved out of Warrington into the
wire rapport, but I couldn't be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
I'm kind of just trying to mention John what the
bag would be made out of.

Speaker 18 (01:54:43):
Yes, Okay, it was real, but it was. It was
had to be manicured first and softened up and then
put into the bag, put into the bag that goes
around the bag, the tartan bag goes around it and
tied down very strongly with the number eight Baling for one.

(01:55:04):
And he had come up very well. And the job
they did on the framing up the ivory moldings and
the silver moldings, that was absolutely superb. And they did
the whole lot themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
And the pipe were the pipes were the pipes lathed wood?
Is that what were they turned?

Speaker 18 (01:55:24):
Yes, it was lathwood what.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Would they used to be some special wood for it,
no doubt.

Speaker 18 (01:55:33):
Yeah, I believe they used a lot of jarra. They
brought a lot of jarra wooden. But murals spent a
lot of time traveling through New Zealand and judging competitions
here and competitions there, and the whole kittens boodle. So
he certainly, you know, he was a great pipe for himself.

(01:55:55):
He knew all the tunes, he knew.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
The the.

Speaker 18 (01:56:00):
Pipe called the pig block. This is an unusual one.
People would never even heard of it. Music. He was
right up to school I met as well, as was
a lawyer and Warrington on Vi and mckaye. He was
also a little song in the Peebrock. But in those

(01:56:21):
days the Scottish people there was a lot more of them. Yeah,
and they stayed with the with their home nature. You
as we was saying, But I always believe that anyone
born back Pree nineteen thirty nine thirty eight always had

(01:56:41):
a part of either English, Welsh, Spottish Irish, and they've
all got routes going back to that time.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
You're obviously a player yourself, are you done?

Speaker 19 (01:56:55):
No? No, no, okay, just.

Speaker 18 (01:56:56):
Interested yep, no, no, I never got interested here. I
don't need to start, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
I don't know. If it's a difficult instrument to play,
it doesn't seem that complicated because you're just it's just
basic fingering, isn't it. I mean, there's not a lot of.

Speaker 18 (01:57:10):
Options for it. It's just basically not unlike playing the piano.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Yeah, but I think the bags quite forgiving you because
you can blow that up any old time, can't you?

Speaker 18 (01:57:24):
As you can they they were always attraction. If you
need any wear and someone pulled out a pier of bagpipes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Yeah, I don't disagree. Yeah, I am quite fascinated because
it's such an uncare. I don't know they still do.
You still see people in India performing on a similar
kind of a thing. I haven't heard that in Indian music.

Speaker 18 (01:57:46):
Yep, I've never heard from Indian music. But that was
a long time ago. But they certainly that's where the
bad pipes originated from, and they were good music. In
the days we didn't have a lot of this. The
boffaloa Robbish we've got to day, but we all enjoyed
them and we had a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Oh it's good. I mean you didn't need to amplify them.
They are allowed enough. You didn't need ams, did you.
They're allowed enough unplugged. They certainly are nice to hear
from your don Thanks for that. Twenty nine to twelve.
Welcome ohen, This is Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 33 (01:58:21):
Hi, how are you good?

Speaker 19 (01:58:22):
Owen?

Speaker 10 (01:58:24):
Okay?

Speaker 33 (01:58:25):
Well, my father was pipe major in the christ Church.
Quite banned great and they would regularly play at retirement homes.
They actually played at one of the Christmas parades, I think,

(01:58:46):
and they would practice at a church in Papanui and
most of the people there were in their sixties seventies.
The young ones were the drummers.

Speaker 19 (01:59:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:59:02):
And there was a shot in Tamuka called Ganaways and
they sell a lot of bagpipe parts. They sell a
lot of pipe chances. I tried the bagpipes, but being
an aster, the stuff for it's very hard to blow
in the bag. And the chanter is sort of like

(01:59:24):
a good practice. It's like a how do I explain
the charter? Well, it looks like a flute in some ways,
got little holes and you practice playing tunes. My dad
would write numbers of a certain medley and I would

(01:59:44):
sort of each hole with a number to learn a tune,
and one tune I got to learn was the Flower
of Scotland, which I kind of like.

Speaker 10 (01:59:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:59:58):
In terms of the bagpipes, well, technology now you can
play them without breathing into the bag. You can get
it's electronic bagpipes and they're quite expensive and I think
they're made in Holland. I don't know the name of
the company. But all you have to do is just

(02:00:19):
play the keys, and the same with the chanter. Now
you can you don't have to breathe blow into it.
You can just play the keys, and they're quite expensive.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
I don't suspect it's that hard instrument to lot because
you never hear people go and I'm after bagpipe practice.
It just seems as though you can self taught, can't you.

Speaker 33 (02:00:43):
Well you can. Dad started playing, and because he's from
glads Ago, he started when he was about ten, so
he's dead now. But I tried it and it was
very hard because I was an at the sufferer yep,

(02:01:05):
and you've either you've either got it or you haven't
got it. The change was much easier to learn, and
he was he was a pipe major in the christ
Church Pipe Band and they got to travel Actually we
went to the West coast and we got to play.

(02:01:27):
There's a historic town. I forget what it's called. It
was based on gold mining just south of Graymouth. We
the band played there. Or it's not arrow Town, is it.

(02:01:48):
It's a historic it's like an amusement park, shantytown town,
that's correct. You So the band got to play there
a few times, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
And Owen, do you know if his band still exists
or is it fallen by the wayside?

Speaker 33 (02:02:04):
Now good question. Well, they used to meet in a
church in Papanui, near the heart of Papui. It's called
the christ Church Pipe Bad. It's possible that there's a
new generation of pipers coming in because a lot of
the pipers when I used to watch my dad practice
were in their seventies eighties. In fact, some of them

(02:02:27):
were in their nineties.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Yeah wow, yeah, yeah. What happened to his bagpipes, Owen?

Speaker 18 (02:02:37):
He ended up.

Speaker 33 (02:02:38):
Giving them to his my brother's wife. She wanted to
learn the bagpipes. I think she's got them. I don't
know what happened to the chanters. He had quite a
lot of them. I had one of them.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Did he get piped at his funeral?

Speaker 33 (02:02:59):
No, no, no, he no, he died in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 8 (02:03:04):
Oh okay, a long this.

Speaker 33 (02:03:07):
But he was a very good piper and he he
always thought he was better than everybody else. Betan.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
Yeah yeah, ye oh good memories. Oh and I appreciate that.
Thanks for coming through with that. Twenty three away from
twelve plead. Good evening, it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 11 (02:03:28):
Hey go Marcus. I just said you had a couple
of ways talking about the military tattoo earlier on. Yes,
I was lucky enough in nineteen ninety seven when I
was a member in the Royal New Zealand Air Force,
they selected a seventy strong Papahaka group to go over
and perform in the Earl's Court Royal Military Tattoo in London.

Speaker 19 (02:03:51):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (02:03:52):
And so we were there for like twenty one days,
performing twice a day with the rest of the military
units that were performing in there, people like you know
Devinportant Portsmouth doing the gun running exercises. We had some
of the Quentin's Guards they're doing their military drill. The
military dogs were there. So we were about ten to
twelve I suppose military units were performing twice a.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
Day perform before big crowds.

Speaker 11 (02:04:18):
Idea would have been you know, fifteen twenty thousand people
in the arena.

Speaker 2 (02:04:23):
Yeah, and with the Peter with the haka. Did was
that incorporated with bagpipes or anything like that or was
it on its own?

Speaker 11 (02:04:34):
No, we pretty much did it on its side. We
had a twenty minute bracket where we performed and we
were really fortunate because I was shutting down the Hills
Military Tattoo and moving it ousewere so the British Army
extended an invitation and the host of our group while
we were over there. And so yeah, we were lucky

(02:04:55):
enough to travel across here. But I think part of
the history and the co Propper was they wanted to
have some type of representation of from two eight Mari
Battalion and you know, just paying due respect for what
they did in the Second World War.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
And they accommodated you and everything.

Speaker 6 (02:05:11):
They're like that, Yes, yes they did.

Speaker 11 (02:05:14):
So they pretty much paid for our travel and accommodated
us and covered us. I think the only thing that
the New Zealand Defense was had to cover four was
was all the individual's pays they went across there.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
Yeah, and what was the Haker like is this nineteen
late nineties, Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 11 (02:05:32):
Yeah, we went across in ninety ninety seven, so.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
We I got a sense that huck has changed a
lot in the last twenty five years. Would you say there,
would you say it was still the military one was
still a pretty high standard anyway.

Speaker 19 (02:05:45):
Ah, Yeah, the.

Speaker 11 (02:05:47):
Team that we took across, we did a huge amount
of training and practice prior to going. We're assemble up
at Devonport, you know, once for a weekend every couple
of weeks to train and practice and then perfect everything
that we were trying to do when we went across there.
So yeah, so it was a really interesting and really

(02:06:10):
really high opening occasion in time that we spend over there.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
Because what I've been reading about the one in Auckland,
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't do some combinations
to you know, yeah, I don't quite know how they're
going to do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if
there's bagpipes and harker and all sorts of stuff involved
just to give it that real spectacular seat, which kind
of could be quite interesting. I reckon.

Speaker 11 (02:06:32):
Yeah, Well I was think so I think, you know,
back in the early days. You know, they had people
like Timataevu and and split ins, you know, the operating
together to join both of those types of elements together,
which really was quite sticular. So no, you're got wrong.
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something like that
as full.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Well, are you curious to give it a look or not?
Your thing? Would you go to something like that?

Speaker 11 (02:06:59):
Well, yeah, I suppose, you know, spending the twenty one
days here and just seeing the original tattoo and the
units that we're doing what they would in the people
call both. You're not sure if i'd go much at line.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
Though, not to hear for your prayer. Thank you so much.
Whothing makes its Marcus welcome.

Speaker 32 (02:07:15):
Yes, I've got just a couple of little snippets. Someone
mentioned Morris Rossita. He was also a very well known
radio announcer on the z B network and he had
a very recognizable voice. He had one of those very

(02:07:41):
well you would have imagined him as a sort of
a pipe smoker, pipe smoking university graduate. The he had
a he had a real like a like a velvety voice. Sure,
and I remember him well talking about television in New Zealand.

(02:08:02):
We actually had a private TV station. It was the
Belt Television people that you know that actually made the sets.
They had three years before the first government owned channel
in nineteen sixty They broadcast out of Auckland and it

(02:08:24):
was a real you know, every every broadcast was amateur
hour if you see what I mean. Yes, and we
had You may have heard of Aunt Daisy the you know,
the doyen of New Zealand lady broadcasters. Yes, Daisy Basham

(02:08:46):
Daisy from from thirty years I think on the on
the commercial networks. She appeared on TV and she would
have They said she was a real natural and it
was a pity that she died actually early in the

(02:09:06):
sixties because at any age she'd have come across really
well on TV. And British TV started in London Alexandra
Palace in I think around the middle of nineteen thirty six,
but it was closed down during the war because they

(02:09:27):
were afraid that with those signals the German planes would
home in on it. At least that was the reason
given by the government.

Speaker 2 (02:09:37):
Now, just spec to mister Rossita. Was he a news
reader or a continuity announcer.

Speaker 32 (02:09:45):
He was a continuity announcer.

Speaker 9 (02:09:48):
He used to do.

Speaker 32 (02:09:50):
He used to I remember, do the morning sessions with
a few requests from the oldies, and he would be
the one who would be filling in between between the
radio serials that we used to get in those days.
He had that, he had that great voice, just born

(02:10:11):
to be a broadcaster.

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
And do you know when he died? Was it soon
after I don't.

Speaker 11 (02:10:18):
Know, I don't know.

Speaker 32 (02:10:19):
There were there were two Morris's, Morris Rossiter and Morris King,
and they both had those those great tones of of
of natural broadcasters.

Speaker 2 (02:10:34):
Because they might have broadcast around the whole country, because
I do know it was regional in those days, wasn't
it each kind of it was, Yeah, yes, it might
have been. It might have been just a Wellington guy,
old Ross.

Speaker 32 (02:10:43):
It's a good name, yes, yeah, and I think unforgettable
to a lot of your older.

Speaker 2 (02:10:50):
I'm sure, I'm sure. I mean, you know some of
the days of Dougal Stevenson and Philip Sherry, but that
was that was the secer Guard. I guess.

Speaker 32 (02:10:59):
I'm sure your I'm sure your name will live a
long outlive you with with all your for all your
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (02:11:07):
I don't think TV will survive much longer.

Speaker 32 (02:11:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:11:13):
I don't think. I think TV's in its death rattle
at the moment. I think probably Free to Wear TV
TV and z TV three. Well, was TV three got
anything on? I mean I wouldn't watch it? Yeah, I
think broadcast Freedom Wear TV's probably got five years. You're
not making anything more. Shortened Street will go next year,

(02:11:34):
and there's nothing much they're making really, so it does
worry me slightly.

Speaker 12 (02:11:39):
Charlotte, good evening, hang on, hang on, Oh god, the radio, Hi,
I was just I was just ringing about Maurice Fosters.

Speaker 22 (02:11:51):
I googled him.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
Oh god, I thought you're going to ring up and
say it was your grandfather?

Speaker 22 (02:11:59):
Could you give him to be my great grandfather? I think, yeah, hey.

Speaker 23 (02:12:08):
He was?

Speaker 18 (02:12:09):
He was what he was employed by?

Speaker 19 (02:12:11):
W d n h O Wills.

Speaker 22 (02:12:13):
It's a cigarette people, wasn't it really before.

Speaker 12 (02:12:15):
Joining the surfaces year wdn hhows. I'm sure cigarettes?

Speaker 22 (02:12:21):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
Yeah, okay, there we go.

Speaker 22 (02:12:23):
Yeah yeah, I'm going to go.

Speaker 2 (02:12:25):
I'm out of time. I'll go google something myself too.
But thank you, Charlotte, like your cheery voice towards the end,
I shall return tomorrow. People, enjoy your Wednesday. That is next?
What's the next day? If you know what I mean,
even though you think it's going to feel like Tuesday,
I'll talk to them. Enjoy your day, have a good night.
To see yu.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
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