Like catnip to talkback (4 August 2025)

With all the improvements to cars, roads, and drink-drive advertising over the years... why have we not really improved the way we train new drivers in this country?

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
A'd be in.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Greetings, welcome, happy here, fidgeting Marcus till midnight tonight. She
what a weekend of Spoker's start off with that first
bluffs under elevens up against Pirates, which was a great
match also too because the field was soft and good.
And then of course to the Stags versus the I
tag I went to that. She was great. There was
ten thousand people at that so that was remarkable to
see that many people at Stadium South and that was

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or Rugby Park I think it's called. But the what
a great game that was. Well, it wasn't a great
game because it was too easy tries letting before halftime,
but you know is up to get ten thousand, that
was fantastic. Even the exchange student liked it, even though
I wouldn't wear his jacket, didn't wear his jackets was
too big for me. He froze. But ye, she was
a brisk night there, a brisk afternoon. I'll tell you

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what's good now about the rugby. What they do now
at the rugby Park is I can't remember what it
was used to, but there's an area there where they
let in the food truck, so rather than just getting
chips and hot dogs, is a much greater variety of
food works extremely well. Oh there's South African sausages. There's
there's that dried meat that they like the South Africans.

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I don't call it jerky something like that. But it
was good. Bill tong popcorn remarkable anyway, good halftime entertainment
as well, So yeah, that was good. And then of
course watching the Lions afterwards on Sunday night with the
Tongue and thor plane, it was unbelievable watching that match.
Loved it. They might go right against the old next

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so with it, but luck might be a close contest
for change. Anyway, Welcome, my name is Marcus hid on
midnight tonight here. Yeah, anything goes. It's Monday. I'll chuck
some topics at you, but Monday can be a little
bit unfocused with where we go before we cut into
the nuts and bolts. Can I just spend some time
saying that I had the first feed of yems this afternoon.

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Yams are quite a confusing because every country calls a
different thing yams. I think the Americans call kumera yams.
Have I got that right? I think so, particularly the
orange ones. But we call yams something no one else
calls yams, which is weird, isn't it that, like we'd
call yam something different because we've already got kumera. But gee,
they're good, oh flip. I think they're probably one of

(02:26):
those foods that no one likes as a child because
they look kind of weird. You think, what are they about?
But g are yam? I don't know the best way
to cook them. Often people say candy yams, and I
think if you're checking sugar and with vegetables to make
them palatable, I think that's probably a mistake. I think
that might be in my top five of favorite vegetables.

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It's certainly my favorite tuba. Is it a tuber? It's
my favorite tuber? Is it a tuba? It's a favorite
one of those love it? It'd go yam, then cumua?
I think, then potato that I've run out of tubers
is a sweeted tuber? Now what are those ones that
are hard from the ground and heart? Don't know anyway,

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So that's yams for you. We've covered off the sport.
We've covered off yems extremely cold frost air in the morning,
jeep as creepers. That was cold anyway, no black ice,
so that was fine. So that's my starting top of
the I'll, by the way, there's something that you guys
yourself want to discuss, feel free to get involved. There's

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a feebit in the news tonight after a busy weekend.
So yes, we'll leave yams as a bad topic. And
better food at stadiums. I don't know if every stadium
does that. They're probably not stacked up for it. But
just to open up the just to open up the
place for the food trucks. It's a good thing. In fact,

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the Japanese exchanged you and he went back about six
different times, got different things, mage to coke because English
wasn't great, but seemed to toddle off there and came up
with popcorn and chips and all manner of things. I
think you had a drink. Actually didn't seem to drink
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as I say, here's the oh well they're saying about
on sports talk via the texts, Oh yeah. I thought

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that Lions game was fantastic to watch. If you didn't
watch that lines match, they were the second half started
about three minutes into it. I was watching the league.
I could see the bed where they're coming across. But
what happened in Sydney, I must have been Sydney is
that there was lightning. They shut the game down for
thirty five minutes and made people evacuate some of the

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lower the lower seats because they thought that at risks
were being struck by lightning. I've heard that happening before,
I've never watched it when it happened. So that's what happened,
and they had a bit of arrest that re energized them,
and some of the big props were able to stand
longer after the thirty five minutes stretch. That was a
great thing to watch. Anyway, Now here's not going to

(06:02):
start the whole ball rolling tonight. It was on the
back of reading an editorial in the let me just
let me just fact check that before I crack into it.
After reading an editorial in the Washington Post, and I
don't know if that applies to New Zealand. And that's
what I'm going to ask you. And the whole thrust

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of the editorial or the opinion pieces is what I
call it is the fact in the last thirty years
or fifty years, or think of a time limit and
apply that in the last fifty years, sixty years, thirty years,
ten years, cars have become much much safer and roads

(06:45):
have become much much better. But I'm just asking you
if you think the driving has improved, because a lot
of you will be professional drivers, you'll be truck drivers
and stuff like that. And the question I'm asking you
is how can I phrase this? The roads have got better,

(07:07):
the cars have got better. Do we need to make
the drivers better? And by that, the thing I'm kind
of alluding to is do we have to make driver
training better? And drive? A license is harder to pass?

(07:31):
Are we letting people on the roads? Well, I guess
these days, with the licensystem, you get on the roads
without doing any any test at all. Have we got
the system right or could we bring that road tolld
down with a different system of licensing. Some of you
have taught your children to drive, some of you will
experience that. Some would say it's probably too difficult, but
we've got the graduated driving system. I'm just wondering if

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you think that's too difficult or too hard. If you
want to comment on that, be king for some discussion
about that as well. The number is eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. The question is what can we do
or is the drive system right. A couple of text
about yams. While you think of that. I love yams,

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had them last night and today they are nice, steam
door baked, hate to say it, like a steamed yam.
Find it quite efficient to cock. Just the past couple
of weeks, I've been cooking yams in the air fryer.
I knew there'd be an a yam in the air fryer,
call coake them a little well first and cook away.
Once I had them cooked, I added some pesto before devouring.

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I'd others taste stem with a pesta and everyone was
blown away with how good they were. In South America
they are called oker, but we're talking drivers less at
a driver's license says we need to make them tougher
or harder. But we got the system right. It's probably
a compromise between something that's efficient to actually get people

(08:54):
to do and it means that people are getting on
the road safe enough. So there we go a few
the Minister of Transport, would you change the system. Yeah,
it's what I'm on about tonight. I just don't think
what sort of drive was I with us on the road.
That's a pretty good drive. Actually, i've driven a motorbike

(09:15):
for a long time. First, I think that makes you
a better better at kind of getting on the roads.
Good evening, Chris, this is Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Hey are you Marcus? How are you good?

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Thanks? Chris?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, yeah, good.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
So I was just I was just listening to you
talking about the you know, the licensing and that, and
I think, like when I set my license, well I
was born in nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
So but I think it was great that we had.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
It was just.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
It was a manual, you know, it was a manual
transmission that we had to go through. And and I
think that was that's that's a great, a great thing
to to do.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Have you got your radio on because you're pausing quite
a lot. Is that happening for you?

Speaker 7 (10:16):
I'll turn my ignition off right now.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Hey, I don't think we did have to sit it.
I don't think you had to set a license in
the manual. I think that's a myth.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Oh well, what what I mean? As most people did.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, but I don't think.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
I don't think you didn't have to. No, No, it wasn't.
It wasn't compulsory. You're rotten because it wasn't compulsory. But
but most people did do their license in a manual.
And and I think that just gave you that extra
you know, you're changing gears at the same time, and
you're thinking about turning left or right and and and

(10:53):
I think it just that just that changing gears. And
I mean maybe I'm wrong, but but I think that
was that was helpful with with do you.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Think manual makes peak think a manual makes people a
bit of driver? Ah, well driving manual, I mean not
a manual, not the driver's manual. But do you think
driving a manual?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well, well, possibly because you've got You've got a few
extra things going on, haven't you. So so yeah, I
think it probably does.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oliver there, Chris, But thanks for starting the whole ball
rolling tonight. John Marcus welcome. You said that you might
be driving you John, welcome.

Speaker 9 (11:35):
Are good?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (11:38):
Yeah, man, I was thinking, uh, you know, part of
the reason is that, you know, the driving license system
is easy. Part of the reason is that we don't
have enough support to enable drivers to be better better drivers,
Like for example, in Germany, you know, they have like
a whole intensive course that they have to sit and
they provide the system where you know, drivers have to

(12:01):
sit there intensive course and then the test is quite strict,
and this enabled them to develop the skills necessary to
become competent safe drivers, whereas in New Zealand, you know,
the maria of the people that have are trying to
get their license, you know, they don't have like a
full licensed driver to be able to teach them. Most
of them are you know, they're kind of just out

(12:24):
of necessity getting their license, and they don't end up
developing the skills necessary. They kind of get by just
trying to you know, just trying to with whatever skills
that they have. And I think the system kind of
needs to be improved on both ends, both in terms
of how drivers skills are developed and how the tests
are administered.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thanks for having John David Marcus. Welcome, Hi Marcus.

Speaker 11 (12:52):
I was just wanting to talk about licensing. Yeah, I'm
in my late forties so and I've had my license
since I was of age. If they an't got my learners,
I think it should be compulsory after you go through
the learner's license for for people that you go compulsately
to do a defensive driving course.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yes, because it's interesting. Probably slightly older people than you.
When I was around, defensive driving courses were absolutely everywhere.
People were doing them for Liberal studies in the sixth form.
People were always going off to do them. It seemed
to be the thing to do. It wasn't nerdy or
it wasn't overly driver conscious. It was just something that

(13:32):
people wanted to do. You never hear of them now, yep,
totally do you know what? Do you know what happened
to them?

Speaker 12 (13:40):
They still do them through.

Speaker 13 (13:41):
The AA and people that utilize them other for other
than like being an enforcement job. It's just people that
are just newly getting their their learners, going.

Speaker 12 (13:53):
To restrict or restricted, going to full to you know,
chop down the waiting period.

Speaker 11 (13:57):
There's the only people that I've heard of doing defensive
driving courses.

Speaker 13 (14:01):
And it sucks because, as you and me know, every
day people are not driving defensively.

Speaker 11 (14:08):
They're driving aggressively. You know, they're not stopping at stop signs.
I don't want to sound like old nanny, but you
know how many people die on our roads every day.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know, every week.

Speaker 11 (14:19):
They're not stopping a stop signs, they're not giving way,
They're shooting out into the middle old road. So they
can you know, break into traffic.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think a lot of people are approaching intersections too
quickly as well.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, totally, totally.

Speaker 11 (14:33):
I think yeah, if everyone drove defensively, it would be
a safer environment.

Speaker 14 (14:38):
On your own.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I don't know what's happened, and there's probably people much
more qualified than me to work about the effectiveness of
our licensing system. I just don't know.

Speaker 11 (14:48):
I think it would be actually a good thing for
them to make luner's licenses for kids at school and
during school.

Speaker 15 (14:55):
It's like class, you know.

Speaker 16 (14:57):
I think they should incorporate that.

Speaker 11 (14:58):
You know, it's like it's a real skill that really
is bloody important.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Good point, thanks apart from the bloody Evan, Marcus.

Speaker 17 (15:07):
Hello, good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Evan.

Speaker 17 (15:11):
Yeah, my thought was the roads are so fast these
days and all the rest of it that the older
people can't keep up with it.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, so you think the older people need to do
the defense of driving.

Speaker 17 (15:22):
Well, I think they should send the bus round to
pick them up.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
What age should you be told? No more?

Speaker 17 (15:28):
Well, if you're getting a bit slaw and dottery, I
think it's over in it.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Travel is the public transport system is not great for
those people and then they're just locked at home, aren't they.

Speaker 17 (15:39):
Yeah, that's the problem. That's why they need a lot
much more.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
But watching the chase, Yeah, well that's right. I think
a lot of places now with buses, they've become more
like Texas Timid. You don't they don't have buses anymore.
You just ring them up, they come and get you
in a van.

Speaker 17 (15:54):
Yeah, that's how it should be.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Of course it is Steeve and you and I know that.
Why isn't it like that sharky Marcus?

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Welcome Marcus, a change from being a defensive driving course
to an offensive driving course?

Speaker 18 (16:09):
Well?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Really was it a joke?

Speaker 18 (16:12):
Well?

Speaker 19 (16:12):
You know, actually I just got on the motorway at
Leslie Pamnu aroundabout interchange and just keep the beat the
horn on the on the ridge because somebody it was
just about to drive down the north found off route.
I see this every day. Actually, I think you videos

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of cars that have come towards me and and and
just stupidness that you know, I could take people out
within an instant. But the problem is education, and we're
really you know, Greg Murphy is pretty good at this now,
I believe. Now, when I was at school, we used
to get told. You know, well, when I was in

(16:55):
high school, I think it was they used to have
a driver Egg come around and okay, I'm going back
to like the early eighties, but you know, drive the Egg.
They come to the school and and you know, they'd
show you videos of vehicle crashes. And I actually believed
he was a man who used to take a car
around and his son and his son's mates were killed

(17:18):
in that car and he used to bring that car
to different schools all over Auckland.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
And why can't I that's a bit grim for school.
That sounds more like therapy for him. That might be
a bit for long.

Speaker 19 (17:34):
Yeah, but you know what, I always keep that picture
in my mind, and that's what makes me drive defensively
because to get my licenses to be able to drive
this this this big rig, you know, I've got to
go through so much training to be able to get
behind the wheel of this truck because this is my

(17:58):
this is a mobile, moving killing machine in the wrong hands,
you know that. And you've got to think about that.
It's it's the person who's driving. Especially for me. If
I'm driving this truck, I've got to be extra responsible.
But everybody has to be extra responsible.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
The truck drivers have a pretty good record on this country.
You don't see many questions involving truck drivers, do you.

Speaker 19 (18:29):
Not really? But most of it is caused by other
people in other vehicles. And like I seen those videos
one time. I've done those cars coming towards me on
the wrong side of the motorway and stuff. Yeah, it's like,
you know, those sort of things. I can't help what
those people are doing, but I can I can be

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responsible for my reaction to what those.

Speaker 18 (18:51):
People are doing.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
How many how many close calls do you have a week?

Speaker 19 (18:58):
Are two to three?

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Y okay?

Speaker 20 (19:02):
Easy?

Speaker 19 (19:03):
Easy? Two to three? Like that one that I just
if they had the got like you know, beat the
horn on that on the motorway, so stop the guy
from going down the enret.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
How would you get into how would you get into
the head space when going down the on red look
like a good thing to do.

Speaker 19 (19:18):
I don't know, that's what. I don't know what these
people are thinking. But for my reaction was I had
to hit my horn and I had to yell out
the window stop because the guy probably would have carried
on down there.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't disagree, sharky Wow, thanks for the total that
was that lifted the call Pete, good evening.

Speaker 21 (19:39):
Get it Marcus, here you Pete. I can cast on
mine back to the mid nineteen eighties. Funny cause stinting
that I was PAD and parents of the Ructly Education
program and we would run from a Labor Department scheme
called Special Training and Provent Programs steps in which I

(20:00):
had the job of teaching written an aural. I think
it was from nine am and three pm, and I
was only teaching young fifteen to seventeen year old game
prospects who've been referred to us by the courts, in
which I had three weeks to train them up with
the written an oural. And in some cases it was

(20:23):
as simple as drawn out of road nap on the
cardboard carryouts and getting in those matchbox toys to teach
and how they would take and how to slow down.
Before double had a loans, I hadn't troken out on
the cardboard. I done it by hand. We didn't use computers,
and we had the book the written an Aural, and

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I got I must take myself from the back. I
got the highest passed ray for the written an Aural
in Themenica trains support. They were checker price and I
got the highest pass right in South Aukland.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
But because of why I just got your technique, Well,
it was.

Speaker 21 (21:07):
Just only parroting the road cater them daily known to
cover the whole book yep. And when it came to
the written some didn't they have the right. So I
had to do a crase course and teaching how to
right the answer that was applicable and how the answered
the well I should say to the oral and petrick

(21:27):
inglish so they knew it off by hadn't it parenting
the ski sequence of events the technique was ha said
that the bood at the end of the three weeks
if they got to be written in all where the
driving school coming and did the driving course of them
and the manual. But I just hanged in them and

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written in aural.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Sounds like that might be there might be some system
like that again still as they pete does that still
something like that for people in trouble to get their license.

Speaker 21 (21:56):
I'm being handed touch to the scene because I got
rid of my car in nineteen ninety It was the
last time I had a vehicle. And there's a mini
miner by the way I make it and I got
rid of there, so I'm really apedic. You know, used
the buses and change because I live in Grafton, We've
got abundance of change stations stan Maroa publicly, of course,

(22:19):
so I just keep fit by walking the round.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
My tear for your pete. Thanks about that, Richard, good evening.

Speaker 22 (22:25):
I think things have changed because of the increasing population.
I'm getting in between fifty and sixty, and my driver's
licensing test was nothing like what they do today, and
I'm glad about that. The second thing would be that

(22:49):
I've traveled a little bit in the last ten to
twenty years around New Zealand and met like there was
a guy before talking about the Germans and how they
have intense intensive training. Now that intensive training means you're
intensively trained to drive on the right hand side.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Of the road.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
And I have stopped.

Speaker 22 (23:15):
In the places where people stop when they're overseas and
traveling around and met the Germans who have trouble even
conversating with me because they don't know English. Yet they
have an international driver's license, so I'm just having it's improved.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Might be another topic, driving on the other side of
the road and foreign drivers. That might be best for
other night, Richard. But thank you, Charlie. Good evening.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Oh how are you?

Speaker 12 (23:48):
How's it going good?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Charlie?

Speaker 12 (23:51):
I reckon there would be areas where people can drive
around in a vehicle with no license and not get
like pulled over by the police and being given tickets,
because otherwise, unless you're grown up on a farm or
you know you you're born before two thousand, you can't
really get the practice and driving on the roads found

(24:11):
a license like I was driving on the road without
a license. Probably I drove out of my learners for
probably five years. That's how I learned how to drive.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, and that's what and that's what most people do, right,
that's what most people do.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
What's the conditions?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
How?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
What's the condition with the learners again, Charlie.

Speaker 12 (24:29):
Learners is you're going to drive with someone who has
a full license for more than two.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Years and you can't be up to ten o'clock at night?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Right?

Speaker 12 (24:39):
I'm not too sure. I've had my full license for
about teen years now, but back back when I had
a learner, I'm pretty sure restricted was restricted? Was you
to be home before ten?

Speaker 23 (24:51):
And what?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Okay, so restricteds Okay, so that goes learner restricted then
full license.

Speaker 12 (24:56):
Right, yeah, yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Wonder where had put those places where people could drive
without licenses, and how they'd get to them. That's the hassle,
isn't it. They've get mum and dad to drop them off.

Speaker 12 (25:07):
Well, how else are you meant to learn? How else
do you mean to get the experience to actually drive
besides paying to do a defensive driving course or paying
or finding a full license driver, you know what I mean?
Like it, it can end up costing quite a lot
of money just to learn how to drive, compared to
compared to, like you know, twenty years ago, you could
learn how to drive quite easily and you don't need

(25:28):
to get tickets at least cops on the putting you over.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
They need simulators that you can actually learn and or
get experience what it's like.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, you could do that, but.

Speaker 12 (25:40):
It's not it's not the same as it It's like,
it's not the same as being out on the road.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's not. But but yeah, did you have any crushes?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (25:50):
No, no, I've never had it.

Speaker 12 (25:52):
I've had a couple of near missus, Like I'm just
idiots on the road. But my Grandaddy told me to
always treat everyone else on the road like bloody idiots
and would be a good driver.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Nice to hear you thinks that One text says old
white men are the worst drivers on the roads. By far,
I got the cars lot more lethal now these giant
ranger uts. Goodness, anyway, head on midnight, Prince, good evening.

Speaker 15 (26:21):
Get anything backus. I've done a lot of driving around
the world. I've done a lot of driving through America.
I've driven right across Canada. I've driven right from the
outside of Australia. That took us twelve months, me and
another fella. I've done a lot of driving inside Australia.

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I've done some driving in Kenya, and I've driven the
length of the British Isles. And nowhere in all those
places where I've don have I seen worse driving than
in New Zealand. Goodness, this captry would be the worst
country in the world for driving.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Was Kenya quite good?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (27:03):
Well, when you come into a village in Kenya, there's
a little sentry box on the list and as the
Jacobs standing there with an AK forty seven, and there's
one on the other side of the road with an
AK forty seven for the traffic gard the other way.
So you tend to be very good.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Maybe that's what we need.

Speaker 15 (27:20):
Yeah, that's what we need here.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
What's the problem. What's the problem, Bruce?

Speaker 15 (27:28):
Everybody here goes too fast. There's and there's not enough policing.
I can drive my car right here. You a one
hundred k cast past me, pass me like I'm standing still.
Go from Nakevid to Tampa. We go to Nakedda Tampa
quite often. Tapa is a speed track.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
What does that mean?

Speaker 15 (27:47):
Well, we were we were coming back from Campau a
while ago and it was absolutely teaming down with rain,
and there was a line of cars, four cars and
we're all doing roughly one hundred. Car pulled out and
pass us team.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Into the rain.

Speaker 15 (28:02):
He would be doing one hundred and twenty and TV
graat what's sort of car starts? Four cars or big
place came just passed us and left us for beds.
I don't know what it is. And this came out
out of what I don't know. Hey, you stop it.
And the only thing I can think of, there's more
police on the road. From America. We would rather we

(28:25):
would drive the long over an America and there's a
big sign on the side of the road. Speed limit
is eighty mile a there. I think it was something
to carry room in there. This goes on patrolled by aeroplanes.
So they've got a marker on the side of the
road and another barker up there a mile away. And
it takes you a minute to do the bile. If

(28:46):
you do it less than a minute, you're going.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
To a ticket from a plane.

Speaker 15 (28:50):
Yeah, that's what the sign said. That's unbelievable. Even those
those big freeways and Los Angeles and all that off
beat on bed and even there the traffic's pretty good.
You get the odd speeds as will go flying around
one hundred, three hundred and thirty file or am and
not not very often. Goodness, this place is this place

(29:15):
is crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Nice to hear, Bruce, Thank you mother, Marcus.

Speaker 24 (29:19):
Welcome good a Marcus. I have to agree one thousand
percent with your previous call. And New Zealand drivers are
the worst in the world they have ever come across.
We have driven a lot overseas, mainly in Europe.

Speaker 15 (29:37):
People there are courteous.

Speaker 24 (29:39):
They let people in, they are tolerant. New Zealand drivers
are so impatient, They won't let people in, they want
to get past all the time. It is so frustrating,
and I have been driving for a lot of years.
It is so frustrating driving in New Zealand and seeing

(30:00):
the standard of driving here.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I don't know how you teach patients or teach patients,
I mean.

Speaker 24 (30:10):
How you Yeah, that is that is a good question.
How do you teach it?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
And what does that mean? What does that mean? Maybe
that's the mentality We've always had bad roads from the
legacy of old dusty country, unsealed roads, and you always
knew if you got stuck behind the cattle truck or something,
you really had to overtake it otherwise to be stuck
there for the next couple of hours. Maybe that mentality
is still in people, because it's what I kind of
feel sometimes.

Speaker 24 (30:39):
Well, that goes a long way back, and the roads
have got so much better.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yes, that's right, it has, But that might be in people's.

Speaker 24 (30:44):
Must Yeah, I don't know, but I mean the young
people have got that impatient mentality, fair enough. They haven't
got the they haven't got the you know, held up
behind the sheep truck and that sort of stuff. Have they? No,
it must be part of a test, and I honestly

(31:05):
think the defense to driving course is almost a must.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
We hardly hear of it now, I know.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
But.

Speaker 24 (31:16):
We must be older. I mean it's I related to
bringing back proper exams instead of the NCA teach people properly.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
I think. I don't think there's been anything. I think
that's a criticism of the teaching. I think it's just
a criticism of the fact that the parents want something
to compare to what they used to have. I think
that's what that's about. I don't think I don't think
there's I think the teaching will still be the same,
won't it.

Speaker 24 (31:48):
Quite possibly, But I think we're getting off the subject.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, well, I appreciate it as we don't get topic
crypt I couldn't handle it, but thank you. I think
Greg Murphy said about a year ago too that parents
shouldn't teach their kids to drive. They should be taught
by a driving school. It'll be hard to enforce, though,
wouldn't it that you can't teach get your parents to drive?
But I want to there's something in that. Roger Marcus, welcome,

(32:16):
I'm ARCSDA. Good Thank you, Roger.

Speaker 20 (32:20):
Yeah, driving okay, so opening up a can of worm.
So I'm a truck driver here in Christ Jurtube, driven
here since the seventies, and I've seen so many changes
in the driving style of people, and I think a
lot of it is just lack of awareness. And I

(32:43):
think that a lot of the streets, like here in Christ,
the speed limits are just too slow.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know.

Speaker 20 (32:51):
I'm I'm on Montreal Street right there, and it's too
kay all the way along here, and it's just monotonous.
It's like it used to be fifty k. They bought
in the new speed limits out on the motorways the
only way I think it is of one hundred and
ten day and it was all said that there were

(33:14):
going to be accidents and all that. I haven't heard
of one yet, not one. And I don't see anyone
driving around at one hundred and thirty plus k's either
on either those at about one ten. And the other
thing I think, too, is just an observation from friends
that kids have gone through getting their license. It sounds

(33:39):
to me like it's really difficult to do it, and
I feel that they actually come out very timid drivers.
Oh yeah, I just you know, when I'm driving along
and Okay, I'm a girtious truck driver. So I'm going
down Papa Nui Road peak air in the morning and

(34:01):
that someone's trying to get out, I'll fall up and
let them out. But to be honest, not all of them,
but if percenterge of them sit there with ploss and
minds and they don't move, and you're like, I have
slowed down, I have flashed my lights to let you in,
to let you go, and they sit there and look
and think, and then in the end, yeah, well I'm

(34:22):
just going to keep going. And sometimes that's when they.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Call out, yeah, okay, so there's a.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Lot there, yere, wow.

Speaker 20 (34:35):
I just don't think that people like I have taught
a few people to drive in my time, and.

Speaker 25 (34:41):
One thing I have done is that I've got them
to be confident. So I kicked them out on.

Speaker 20 (34:48):
The open road, and I sitting on one hundred k
out on the open road. First thing, Yeah, they start
ser one hundred k not the very first driving lesson,
but but after a few if I get going, okay, okay,
we're just going to.

Speaker 25 (35:03):
Hit on the motorway and go on the motorway.

Speaker 20 (35:05):
And just keep going. So how far we're going until
I try to stop, turn around and go back.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
The other way.

Speaker 20 (35:12):
And I think that works a treat because it makes
them realize that you can safely drive at one hundred
k or so, you know, loom distance for breaking, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Are you seeing a lot of slow drivers on one
hundred k road because I'm not seeing that?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (35:30):
I do at times, not always, but yeah, there are
drivers who will sit at seventy eighty k. I will
honestly say that I have come across some who have
actually done it wrong purpose they have a bigger spine
on your face laughing about it.

Speaker 25 (35:45):
Had a woman going, I don't know what it was,
or maybe in a camp of being quite a wall
about and.

Speaker 20 (35:52):
We were coming through to Volve and she was sitting
on seventy five k great line, a tread behind her
and that, and when you passed it, she just had
the biggest grin and laughing on her face. And I thought,
you have to be killing me because there was a
few that took risks and that's the problem. That's where

(36:13):
the problem starts.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
And you're sure, you're sure she was laughing at you?

Speaker 20 (36:17):
She was, she was laughing and everyone I tried Chad out.
I thought, yeah, okay, and see what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yep, she was.

Speaker 20 (36:24):
She couldn't give a rat. She was doing it on Coopers.
You know, I'm just the one being there fifty k,
so down to thirty k and just get through lights
now fifty k again, caring Torere in this known reason.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Nice tear from you, Roger. Thank you. Danni's Marcus good evening.
Hi Dan, Hey, Marcus is a Daniel Good. Thank you?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
The guy a previous schooler. I agree with him the
self long and driving her a lot, but I'm not
as any. I guess in this country. I've given all
over the world as well, you know table Canada. Do
you buy Turkey? All through Europe? And I drive every

(37:17):
day in New Zealand and the North Island they are lunatics.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Were in the South Island where's worst.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
New Zealand, But.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
We're in We're in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Ah, what catch to express? Hise? Pretty big because i
can be doing one hundred and teen, which is the
Steed limit, and I've got people flying past me. Yeah,
sometimes one from a part time track doll for the
company I work for as well, in class four tracks
or nothing so extrenuous. But they just pull out in

(37:55):
frontier and they pass it and gam on the brakes
and you've got to slow up too, And there's I
don't know, it's it's it's a real first mindset about
our drivers in this country that way.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, I don't know that. On the expressway. Every time
I'll be on the Expressway, there's been road wigs all night,
so I'd say it hasn't been a free flying thing.
But yeah, okay, I'm hearing you about that.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, if I'm doing one team enough flying past me,
it's like.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's too fast. Yeah, the other guy said one ten
and is a cargoing quicker than that. But that's christ
So maybe that's right there.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, I was on the South one and or three
months ago, and the roads are better than the drivers
are actually more curdious and they take more care. You
might be right. It's just maybe it's a place of
the life stole down me. It's not as fast, but you.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Know these people, this people, this congestion.

Speaker 14 (38:55):
Maybe yep, maybe, but everybody wants to get home, right. Absolutely,
you shouldn't have to watch out for every other driver,
because do you have quite difficult job driving yourself really,
so yeah, that's all I have to say. But this
country is by fither west drivers. I've seen in Turkey.

(39:16):
Turkey is eighty five people with the roads of jam
Pecked and Marow and somehow you don't feel unsafe when
you're driving me.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Nice to hear from me, Daniel, thanks very much, back
after the news work. No, no, wait, my name is Marcus.
We're talking about driving just the driver, We got it right?
Or does the test need to be tougher or more training?
Here's a fine line between what's practical and what works. Ah,
but no one seems that happy with the system of
the way it is now. And this is good because
a lot of people can say and tell us the
countries they've driven and how we're the worst in New

(39:48):
Zere and people enjoy that. They love that to say that.
Oh wait, one hundred and eighty to today, Chris Marcus,
thanks for hanging on there. Good evening.

Speaker 26 (39:56):
Oh that's a right good evening, Marcus. I trained in
quite recently, as you're on to one ticks that you're
reading out. But I re went for a ride with
a retired gentleman who was ex roading police when we
had separate and we and I went for a ride
with him to do something. And I was just saying,

(40:21):
how I remember the roading police, and I wondered if
that might be a good thing, although it's quite involved
these days. If you pull someone up, it's a bit
more scarier than well police these days.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
So that is the old minister to transport the cops.
I don't know why they got rid of them. I
don't know why they amalgamated and combined.

Speaker 26 (40:41):
No, I had a really bad time recently with people
just pulling out on me at stop signs and give ways,
and I holked on my horn because I was angry.
But then you feel a bit it's risky you encounter
you couldn't counter road rage.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
That's right, that's right, and often you think, oh I
shouldn't have done that. It could be road rage to
be terrifying. I got road rage. One to go followed
me into a gas station. I honked it. How me
came skinning out in front of me, and fortunately there
was a ten at the gas station. Was a nice
experience at all, No, and I just got a fright.

Speaker 26 (41:17):
That's why I honked on the horn.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
It gave me a fright.

Speaker 26 (41:19):
When they pulled out. So it was an instinct that
I had, apart from swearing under my breath in the car.
But I will also challenge you on something else you
read out. So the gentleman I went for a ride
with was an old white man, retired ex roding police.
But you were reading out a text when I tuned
in from it that said the west drivers on the

(41:41):
road were old white men. Yes, but you didn't say
who said wrote that text? But I thought, what are
they talking about tonight? And I thought that was irrelevant
the color of the person, because I've encountered all sorts
of shape, sizes, colors, black, white, blue, doesn't matter. And
I thought it didn't expect you to read it out,

(42:02):
quite frankly, because I don't think you would have read
it out had it been a different reference to a
different person. But I know it was just someone's frustration.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
I guess, well, they might be right.

Speaker 26 (42:16):
Well, they might be right too, but I've encountered all
sorts of people, young, old. I had road rage from
a female once, just reversing into a car park, and
she was, yes, color was irrelevant, but she was a
white lady trying to flam my head in the door
when I really yeah, and it was really frightening. Actually

(42:38):
I couldn't make it somewhere I was going. But that
was a long time ago. But yeah, I just have
said to someone for quite a while now, it's a
shame we don't have the old separate roading place.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Well, talk more about that, Chris, thank you for that.
Nine past ten, ten past ninely to call it that,
Uh what, Yeah, just I was reading the editorial that
was going on about that the cars have got better,
the road to got better, about driving has not got better,
although people do wear seat belts. I think the government's
done great work with drink driving, and that's a good

(43:14):
thing that people aren't drink driving. That will seemed to
I mean, they've changed, they've changed and modified that behavior
that was normalized, that was considered a fine thing to do,
but that's not a fine thing to do anymore. And
that's the right thing to have happened. So you might
want to mention that talk about that, oh, eight hundred
and eighty eight bringing back the transport police, if that's

(43:38):
what they were called, they are the cops on bikes.
You might want to mention that what all these texts saying,
Marcus Expressway here in Hamilton, if you're doing one twenty,
you're getting overtaken like you're standing still. I'm still stand Marcus.
I've found the best drivers I've encountered lately in Otago
and Southland. Maybe it's this pop planet and drivers were

(44:01):
taught properly. The further north you travel, the worse it becomes.
Don't count count out Queenstown whether people are mostly from
up north. John Marcus, the dude hit the nail on
the head the amount of times here and todd On
you'd slow down and flash your lights, lit them and
they just stare at you. I'm a truck driver too.

(44:21):
I paid two for five for my grandson dollars to
do a defensive driver course and Hamiltron. It reduces the
time you start you are strictly by six months. He's
a great driver, very safe, knows how to handle fog
or bad weather. Was money well spent. I'm not sure
about fog. Marcus, who used to work for Johnson and

(44:42):
Johnson of the Johnson's. One of the Johnson's coming to visits.
We had a company dinner where he did a speech.
During his speech, he said he visited every country every
year all over the world, and the worst drivers he'd
ever had was that day.

Speaker 15 (44:56):
He said.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
The trip for the airport, said of the city was mannick.
He said he was pleased to get out of the taxi.
A little kindness goes a long way. Key was a
rude entitled generally, but especially on the road. Brilliant like
catnip to talk back. Thirteen past nine, Todd AT's Marcus.

(45:20):
Good evening, Hi Marcus, how are we good?

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Todd?

Speaker 23 (45:27):
Yes, I've been very fortunate to traveled and lived overseas,
and we do agree with many other callers. I think
driving habits are even a reflection of society, even you
know how we I mean, Kiwis are in general are

(45:47):
very bad drivers, I think when compared to many many
other nations. I just came back from Japan and it's
just unbelievable the courteous, you know, the way the man
is on the road, and you'd have to argue that
the Japanese people in general, how they conduct themselves to
talk to each other. I'm just very very respectful people. Canada,

(46:10):
the same people just slow down and gesture for you
across the road, and nobody seems to be tuning their horn.
That's my experience in a few cities. But yeah, I
think it's a sad reflection on us as the people
that we are.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
So we see, we see, we seem to be in
a hurry.

Speaker 22 (46:33):
Why.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I don't know, you tell me get home for coronation
get home for Coronation Street.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Nothing much on the TV people say.

Speaker 23 (46:42):
Nothing to be gained by jamming, you know, up to
the car in front of you. Just just be aware
of people need to pull out or let somebody move forward,
or you know, just just take your time. But yeah,
you know, I'm a shame, but I think a little
bit more could be done towards younger people with their licenses,

(47:03):
with the dive instructors or parents or whatever, to be
more aware about the need to be turtious on the road,
to show manners and the.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Wheel following distances.

Speaker 23 (47:13):
A yeah, and just and just and just your general
how how you are, just just just you know, just
just there's no need to.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
You know, yell or swear.

Speaker 23 (47:32):
I mean, I sure in certain circumstances, don't get me wrong,
certain things are you know, some people do do stupid things,
and it's just normal to have an emotional reaction. Okay, sure,
but I'm just in general just just we're all go
if made to be, let's let's let's just show some
respect to others around us, and hopefully that filters through
to your the way you feel behind the wheel, the

(47:55):
way you feel, the way you act, and whatever you
do once you get out of your car, whoever you're
going to see, what are you're going to do that
that that follows on, you know, leave you aggression somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
It's not talk big doing it to them. Todd, Thanks
for that. Sixteen past nine. Brett Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yes, Marcus.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
I set my license in nineteen eighty one, and Dad
pumped the tires up real hard, so it was easy
to drive. And you had to put your arm out
the window if you're turning right, or we'd cross it
over your chest to go left, and you're changing gear

(48:33):
at the same time and all that. It wasn't easy. No, No,
I don't know if you had to do that. No,
you were about my age.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I was of it later with my car license, but
I did a motivate license. I don't you said to
drive around the block for that. It wasn't difficult.

Speaker 7 (48:50):
Yeah, but they used to make you put your arm
out the window to turn right, as well as the indicator.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
In the day, they're not having that. Ye okay, it's weirds,
isn't it.

Speaker 7 (49:02):
And your chest.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
No, one likes an over indicator. That's too much.

Speaker 7 (49:08):
Oh it was a bit over the top. Yeah yeah,
but pump pump the tires up and it's easy, easy
to drive the car.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
No, it's a good that's the courtiest thing. And you
nailed it the first time.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
I went over to speed them at the first time.
Game what hell rarely road and Norse code j flow
speed them failed the first time.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
We have been forty four years. Pretty nice to hear
from you. All drivers should be made to do their
license in the manual car. I think that's I've said that.
I don't think that's a text. How well do you
know me? Marcus? Buses buses, buses, don't get me started
on the route and consider it to need in bus drivers?

(49:58):
What's hard at stressful driving a bus because dealing with
the public and with money and with traffic it's a
triple It's a triple thing that one servers announcement because
you tell everyone who has not a rush to get anywhere,
stay in the left hand lane. If the right hand
lane was used for parsigan and traffic, it would be
a lot safer. The bad driving here could have something

(50:20):
to do with it being the most boring country on Earth.
If these guys love overseas drivers so much, why don't
they piss off back there? Loll Yeah, Well, a lot
of people say, oh, a lot of people country bragg
oh have been never driven all around the world, right
around the outside of Australia and right through the middle.

(50:41):
That was a classic Pete.

Speaker 27 (50:44):
There you go in there, Marcus, here you Pete, Oh,
I think you'll drive her. Licensing systems okay, say good
on you. I just had my nephew just goes through her.
And I think the most instructors are pretty observant. They
have been little mirrors around looking what you're doing, and
rote much of you and the right things, like you.

(51:06):
He got pulled up. The head did a couple of
times at a compulsory stop. You all know you've got
to stop totally stopped at a compulsory stop. So he
got pulled up for not doing that, and the body
almost had and the guy said, no, you hadn't. They
can't argue with the instructor and also not looking enough
in his mirrors, and I think he went a little
bit too fast over fifty k. They basically got pulled

(51:30):
up for three they're called three basic things. I suppose
it's most instructive pull you up for they're only doing
their job. So I think that said worth our lighting systems. Okay,
I think what it is you said. I think we
have to go back more to the the road the
traffic police up we had years ago. I see it

(51:53):
quite a bit. I see it over and over again.
If I was a policeman, people they bring that back
in the New Zealand wrote police traffic police again. It's
their job is to get these people have bad habits.
You've probably seen it. You've talked about some of your
previous people just spoken about people driving at seventy eighty

(52:16):
k w. A policeman. You're driving along, you're sitting on
the side of the road. Now it's this guy holding
the traffic.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Up for here or she is not able to drive
slow though, is it?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
No?

Speaker 27 (52:27):
I think it is if you're holding up the traffic
and you know, and it's a one hundred k speed
limit and you're doing seventy eighty. It's either you're pulled
up your driving habits and prove your driving. People are
getting impatient. They are more traffic on the road.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
We all know that.

Speaker 27 (52:44):
We can't deny that. I've seen the last tree years.
He's more traffic on the road. So how can we
keep the flow of the traffic going. So you get
some guy like me, it's not even it's not even
old people. You'd say, oh, blame the old people. It's
not always your old people. I've seen them, my cal
I'm on the road quite a bit and you see them,
you just storing along at seventy five eighty k right,
they're around their own little world. If you bring back

(53:06):
the the police traffic, the police, the traffic, you know
the policeman again, you just don't that's you. I was
policed monitoring the traffic. You pull that person overs doing
like that previous caller said, well, your previous caller said,
you're doing seventy eighty KSU. The police put they start
pulling those people over, They give them a warning date,
put the pen straight to the paper and give them

(53:27):
a fine straight away. You put them on the system.
You've been and they do it again, the police sees
them again, or they other policeman sees them and they say, oh,
pull them over. I see you're already on the system
that you're going to slow on one hundred cake speeding zone.
You're only doing eighty k what are you doing? And
then maybe the second time, but it comes the third time.

(53:48):
You give them a ticket, hit them on merit points.
You've got to start teaching them as hey, you got
bad habits. I've seen them. There's so many people you
go give away signs, stop signs when you could win.
Instead of pulling to the to the to the white
line so both people can have turn left or turn rong,
they're hogging the whole road so you can't go either

(54:10):
left the right. They're hogging. They're not thinking, they're not
actually focusing what they're on the road for. So you
have the police traffic again. Those officers, they see all
the bad people doing bad habits. Start giving them fines.
You start even in the fines, five hundred dollars fines
or whatever. They'll soe soon start improving their driving habits.
We've got people getting lazy and complacent.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
How many exits have you had Pete.

Speaker 27 (54:34):
I've only had one. I've driven trucks for six hid years.
And you say most of your truck drivers are usually
pretty good drivers. And here I've just I've been able
to see. So I drove a bed truck in Holland
and all that I was in London too, that I
didn't drive over there. I had a mate and a
flat net drove over there to work. Sometimes most of
them talk the tube over there. And but you find know,

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have you been in London and all you're fine? You
have you have the main raid and you have little
side streets coming off the side. People just stop and
they let the people out on the side street that
comes through.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Yeah, that seems to be he's let you out.

Speaker 27 (55:10):
This probably lives up a sigh street someway too. So
that's that's called cunescy driving, you know. To spare here
in New Zealand, it's quite bad.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
So your nephew's got his license, has he's nailly it?

Speaker 27 (55:22):
You know, he got hit on the hand a couple
of times. You don't do it right.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
You can gratulate for us, Pete. It's nice to talk.

Speaker 23 (55:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Keep your calls coming through. A hit at midnight tonight.
The driving, the cars are bit of the roads. To
better out the drivers, we have to change the way
the license is done. Everyone's driven, almost everyone's got an opinion.
I'm curious as to what is yours million texts. That's
the exaggeration, but there's a lot, Marcus. We lived in
Saudi Arabia for twelve years. New Zealand driving compared with

(55:54):
driving there is a plus. I live in the far
Northern find ninety percent of drivers are curteous and drive
to the conditions. Marcus. I've got my license in nineteen
seventy the dar turn fifteen. Drove my father's car down
to the local traffic department on my own, set the test,
then drove the car on a few streets. I was

(56:15):
told to pull over to a three point ten. I
had to ask what that was, completed that and got
my license on the spot. I'm a confident driver and
never had an accident. How many of you caused I'm
now considered to be an old lady in my seventies.
Jeepers Marcus and Australian. The fines are so extreme it

(56:37):
makes people not want to speed. For ten k's over
the limit in Sydney, it's five hundred dollars. In New Zealand,
it's one hundred and twenty ooh Marcus, yep. Euro drivers
are safer used to driving faster, but a lot of traffic,
and they understand roundabouts lull where we should ban roundabouts

(57:00):
because they are dangerous.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
By the way, KFC is getting a Zinger cabab in Australia. Yeah,
I don't know what that's like. A Zinger. It's the
surprise that no one saw coming. It's got Middle Eastern
inspired ingredients. It's got Tabooli features a Zinger filt wrapped

(57:23):
in warm flat red lader with crisp blades, a brand
new Tabulli creamy galicx sauce of a brand new, well
known and a brand's well known supercharge sauce for an
extra kick. Jay, you never thought KFC b embracing the tabuuli.
I think that's wheat and parsley. It looks good, looks

(57:45):
like the competing with a pitt pit or subway. Anyway,
Get in touch, keV Marcus, Welcome, Kevin.

Speaker 16 (57:50):
Yeah, good morning Gravening Marcus.

Speaker 12 (57:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (57:57):
I wonder how many people that are going on about
New Zealand being the worst drivers were driven in in
the other country.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
In morals, yeah, under that they have listened. I think
most of them have listed the countries they have been to.

Speaker 20 (58:10):
Yeah, well I've.

Speaker 16 (58:12):
I drove in the United States and I drove through
thirty eight states in the United States and I was
really a day but I didn't see an accident truck all,
you know, especially as the northern part of America, like
I drove from one part of down to Texas and

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where there was truck drivers nearby tack on snow are
just absolutely nuts.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Maybe some of those people that are country bregging have
not driven that many, and some of those countries maybe
they've just driven a little bit a.

Speaker 16 (58:46):
Yeah, well, I don't think there's driven many. You know,
you see the accidents and when they're acting on TV
and everything like that, and it's not unusual over there
is that they drive.

Speaker 24 (58:56):
They really do.

Speaker 16 (58:57):
They drive absolutely I don't know, I don't know what
they drive like, they just completely made.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Don't think we're that bad here in comparison.

Speaker 16 (59:09):
I don't think we're that bad of drivers, although seem
to be a better than patient starting to come into
it a lot. Now, you know, you just got to
obey the spade speeder. I've been driven for sixty five
years and I've never had a ticket or an accident
in my life. And all the time I've been driving, And.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
You must, you must had a ticket.

Speaker 16 (59:33):
No, I have not never had a ticket.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Really, yeah never. We haven't lived.

Speaker 16 (59:40):
No, I don't want my ease, can't afford the pine.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
How extraordinary you've never had You've never.

Speaker 16 (59:47):
Got Wow, I've never had a ticket.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Never.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Okay, nice to hear from you, Kevin. Thank you for that.
Come on if you want to talk or read to that.
I drive eighty between my hometown or Tucky and live
in that road is dangerous, all twenty away from ten Hope.
It's it's all good where you. I've got breaking news.
When I have, I'll bring that to you. Marcus. I
am a walker, and most of the time, while walking

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across the road on the lights, cars will beep at
the waiting lights while I've crossed the road.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Wow, it's interesting in America, which has become this has
become a recognized phenomenon that's been documented in the psychological
the journals of Psychology. They've worked out, there've been a
number of surveys where they have had people at intersections

(01:00:47):
trying to cross roads, and they've documented those people to
give way or are considerate drivers, and without a doubt, infactively,
what they have proved is the people with more expensive

(01:01:07):
vehicles are much less considerate, which we probably will suspect,
but it's kind of staggering how clear it was from
this research which has been pair reviewed. So yeah, that
might make people wonder British drivers are the worst. Are

(01:01:28):
the only ones at part facing the wrong way. It's infuriating. Marcus.
I'm from Thailand. I don't know if you've been there.
In Bangkok, there were so many lanes and people drive
from between lanes and takeover in small spaces. Bikes go
between cars. It's crazy. Sometimes I somehow I never see
an accent happen. Marcus. She's in has stone Age crosswalks

(01:01:49):
and Canada. You press a button, lights flash anyway. Hittle
twelve min names Marcus good evening oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty twenty away from ten.

Speaker 18 (01:02:05):
See.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
There's a big, a big subsequent shock at chutk Of.
I think it was a seven point seven, but there
were no tsunami warnings. Harbour waves tsunami get in touch
of your talk on the show tonight, Marcus till twelve oh,

(01:02:27):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's all about driving
and driving around the world. I wonder what the impatience
is in New Zealand, maybe because we're what it is,
Hi Marcus, nothing wrong with Kiwi drivers, Shane Van Gisbergen,
Scott McLaughlin, Scott Dixon, Possum Burn, Liam Norsen, Hayden Padden,

(01:02:54):
Greg Murphy, to name just a few. Nothing wrong here,
I reckon fair point, Philip Marcus, good evening, I Market.

Speaker 28 (01:03:09):
Does anyone realize that Keisha Castle Hughes is on I
FBI most wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Tell me more?

Speaker 28 (01:03:19):
Well, she's on right now. She's a sort of computer expert,
sort of nerdy one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Yeah, and she's she's had quite a successful American acting career.

Speaker 28 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I mean she looks completely different. She's sort of
roly poly. You know, I'm looking at her right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Do you think she's do you think do we think
we use roly poly as a word to describe to people?

Speaker 28 (01:03:45):
Well, you know these sort of programs you've got, you know,
she's glamorous, sort of CSI woman, you know, Ah, and
they're very sort of sort of legy and thin, but

(01:04:05):
she wears sort of wooly jumpers and and that you know,
she's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing even at that age they
cast her and she became the same without a pack. Yeah,
I mean, they just became such great actors, and that's
recognized at such a young age.

Speaker 28 (01:04:24):
Of course, you got Melon Englin Ski you know, yes,
yes and a half and two and a half. Mean,
she's fantastic and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
She's very good. And yellow jackets, so they've got a
bit I kind of lost. Did you watch Did you
watch that one where they start eating each other after
the plane crash?

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
No, I don't.

Speaker 28 (01:04:44):
But she's also in the Teartooist of Auschwitz. Yes, she's
the interviewer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
We're you just for those people that are curious forlip
We are you watching FBI Most Wanted at Home?

Speaker 24 (01:04:57):
What schedel it's on the sky on the channel fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Okay, it's good, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 28 (01:05:06):
And she plays her part. She plays her part, and
she's awesome, and I think it's just great that, you know,
they they develop into different roles now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
From the whale Rider, yes, well yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:05:26):
And now she's an FBI most wanted, So I just
thought i'd just let the people know that she's doing well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I appreciate that, Philip, thank you in nice sentiment sixteen
away from a ten. Rather, my name is Marcus Good
Evening eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Marcus, did you
see brock Lesler back at summer save today? Thanks for that? No,
I people think we've got stone age cross signals, but
fair enough, did anyone predict the possibly that Lewis Hamilton

(01:06:02):
Night retire from racing in twenty three five? I don't
think we had any predictions about that. Marcus Kiwi's of
Reme against the world and ever Pavlov's dog reaction to
a car passing them, and they take it personly instead
of realizing we share the road and it's an A
to B shared safe effort. For a good point. We
don't like being overtaken, do we? We take that quite serious, like,

(01:06:24):
how come on, what's up? Why would you be overtaking me?
There is something about Kiwis of this psychology. I've been
overtaken fair point roly poly. If people aren't happy about
the cross, the cross, the crossing, pedestering crossings, we have

(01:06:47):
Marcus great show. Here's a plan every five years to
do a driving test. It's test. Get one hundred percent passed,
and your insurance stays the same again eighty percent pass
then your insurance goes up twenty percent. Get a fifty
percent passing, the insurance up to fifty percent less than
It's walking time. Love your show, Jim and Danneeda. In
the eighties, it was a lovely motorcycle officer offered free

(01:07:08):
Saturday morning defensive driving course for anyone trying to get
their full motorbike license. Lovely fellow. This particular officer was
giving a hard time for not trying hard enough when
it came to dishing out speeding fines. Tourists often yet
road lanes confuse, especially at roundabouts with on ramps. Once
you travel to the USA, you understand. Glen Marcus I

(01:07:30):
was a member of the Wellington Road Transport Safety Executive Committee.
When the current system has been introduced, we wanted the
system to be tougher, with time limits on moving up
to the next level, failed to move out time and
start again, a mandately defensive driving course and strict enforcement,
none of which happened. It was deemed too hard on

(01:07:51):
the learners Peter from levin or peeven as we call them.
There you go a lot of good texts. I think
I've managed to rink most of them. I see crazy
driving when an amber with sirens sirens appears, drivers getting
the way. I don't even notice. Some amber officers must
have some stories. You've noticed that too on YouTube. Watched

(01:08:13):
tread the globe and itcy boots to see other places
drivers and roads. Marcus, I almost got an exit last night.
The tesla was this tesla was driver super fast at
the roundabout giveaway sign. I was halfway there the roundabout
and that car came out of nowhere to speed up
to avoid it. Didn't even stow out to check if

(01:08:33):
there was a car coming, probably going eighteen to fifty
k zone. Marcus getting rid of the cops. It was
a con by National making the traffic department the police
to say that increased the number of police officers. Ah
believe it. Tyler Good Evening, This is Marcus. Welcome. Hi Tyler,

(01:08:59):
you're there, Tyler.

Speaker 8 (01:09:03):
Tyler Good Evening Market. Sorry, sorry Mary I phone put
you on news.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Oh flop, that would be annoying for you. Yeah, well welcome,
thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:09:13):
Well, Hey, I'm a young guy. Actually I'm maintain funny enough.
I've done my learners Restricted, I've done my defensive driving
and full driver's license recently, and I've also done my
motorcycle Learner's Competency Based Training Assessment, which is the alternative

(01:09:36):
methoge of learning the government brought in a few years ago,
as well as my restricted. So I've done a lot
of tests in the past few years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Who should I go through all those again?

Speaker 8 (01:09:45):
So I've done the three drivers tests as well as
the sense of driving, which obviously allowed me to get
my full drives license sooner. And then when it comes
to a motorbike, I did the learners and restricted what's
called a competency based training assessment.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Do you know what that is, marc Us, No, but
I think you got to tell me. It helps you
get it quicker. It's like the defense of driving, but
for motorbikes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Is that right?

Speaker 23 (01:10:16):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:10:17):
Sort of, except it is the driving test. You have
a driving instructor, you can do courses if you want.
And instead of instead of the traditional you know use
with bikes, they sit in the car and follow you
around and this are usually coached by a driving instructor
and then they go and do the test and everything's
on camera, so they can't they can't scan the system

(01:10:38):
and pass their students more and and oh, I'd say
that's that's what we've got to look at with with
driving on the road, because you tackle all sorts of
road and your normal drivers tests you usually don't touch
the highway, let alone the back roads. And you do
your motorcycles test. You do everything back road, highways, city road,

(01:11:03):
city streets, and they coach you through. They teach you
had a deal with situations where we've got bad drivers,
particularly and on a motorbike when you've got cars coming
from all sides. Oh, I think the way we do
drivers licensing for cars in New Zealand just isn't isn't
up to scratch for the New Zealand environment.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
How does that motorbike thing take?

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
How long does it take? Pushing memory, it takes half
an hour to an hour. I think maybe it was
forty five minutes. I don't fully remember, but yeah, you
started sort of in town and Auckland. I did it
on the north shore of Auckland, so you started in

(01:11:49):
Albany of Auckland and then you went out into the
back roads and came back into town and then you
finished up at the same place and he basically would
just tell you what you've done right, what you've done wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
I'd say it was an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
And that's set of really helpful, right, oh so.

Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
Helpful Brazilian in your driving test. You know, it's just
they're just and I know this may not be the case,
but it feels like they're just looking for an opportunity
to fail you, and you don't really have that coaching
with what you can do better or not. You know,
it's the system is set up to just have your passed.
Have you failed, and here's what you failed on, but

(01:12:26):
you're still you're not coached and how to do better,
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Yeah, who taught you driving? Tyler? Do you have family
members taught you the original thing for your car license?

Speaker 13 (01:12:37):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:12:37):
So, I mean I'm pretty lucky. Dad has been involved
in motorsports, so I've been taught all sorts of driving
and defensive driving and I think a big part as
well as how to be in control of the car
slides if anything like that. I know Greg Murphy as
a as a course now for things like that, but

(01:13:00):
Oh look, I'm at Union Duneda now and I've got
so many friends who just don't have licenses, or maybe
they just get there learners because they just can't be
bothered with the process of getting getting one. And then
I hear you had one speaker say that he finds
that younger drivers are more cautious on the road, And

(01:13:20):
I feel like with the driving, what you get is
either young guys are either overconfident or overcautious because they
just don't know. They haven't been trained to the conditions,
if you know what I mean. They know how to
stare at drive it, what the rules are, but then
they had to be in control of the car. They
don't know how to react in a in to avoid

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a collision or in a situation like that. All these
things you learn in your motorcycle exam.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Yeah what what Tyler Waddy, you want your motibike license?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
What are so?

Speaker 8 (01:13:56):
Because I lived in Auckland when I was younger, from
when I got my motive motorcycle learners at sixteen, just
going around in my motorbike, you know, it's gipping traffic.
Really it was good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
I didn't know feel one to drive motorbikes when they've
got a choice between motorbikes and cars. But fair enough,
ton are nice to hear from you. Thank you jackets, Marcus,
good evening. Are you on mute?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Sorry?

Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
There we go, There we go, There we go. So
I want to just quickly touch on licenses with motorbikes
as you were just talking about it. Yeah, in the
last three weeks, I've just gone my learner license on
my motorcycle and that was through what they call a
facer can link course and then you set your fairing course.

(01:14:37):
About what they get you to do is just basically
drive around cones to figure up eight and then drive
up to like thirty kilometers now and emergency break to
may teach you back before you get your learner's license
to your motorbike and then off you go. You're free
to whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Like you're on.

Speaker 9 (01:14:53):
You're restrictors of your.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Car, which was which was always the way with motorbikes.
You always got your learners and then you drive for
a while, then you sat just to get the Yeah,
I remember having gone through that, and there'd be forty
five years ago is exactly same system.

Speaker 9 (01:15:08):
Yeah, And as a new I've driven mobikes overseas and
stuff that they're a new dealing conditions and with new
dealing drivers. Honestly, I feel like it should be a
case when you're on your learner's motorcycle that you have
and experienced rider riding with you, not on your motorcycle,
but riding with you. You say I can point out mistakes.
They can, you know, point out your errors and correct

(01:15:31):
them real while it's fresh in your mind. You know,
that's my sort of opinion on it, because I've made
a few mistakes riding motorcycles. The last week. Tonight, I
took out on the motorway for the first time, and
you know, I wasn't confident enough to get over eighty.
So I'm not going to be riding on the highway
to like a confident again.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
You know, I feel like you're.

Speaker 9 (01:15:52):
An experienced rider with you, in my opinion, But so
darting off that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
In terms of drivers, the practicalities are probably a bit
difficult with having someone. Yeah, it's going to be difficult
with a motorbike because you can hear.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
That is that is. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
I feel like there should be a little bit more
confidence if we hit your learners, but that might just
be me, but rough drivers. I drive around Wellington every day,
mainly in the evening because I do uber EA's delivery. Sure,
I rack turndre K to night and I see my
fair share of class calls every night. Cyclists running red lights,

(01:16:31):
almost getting into collisions, cars running red lights and almost
taking out other cyclists or cars. It's ridiculous. People just
don't pay attention or they just don't care, and reacting
to emergency vehicles as well. Half of the drivers just
sit there listening to their music, not checking in their
review married.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
They're not they're not aware of that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:55):
I was so five fighting in Australia for.

Speaker 28 (01:16:58):
Our year and you're doing what you're doing what sorry, firefighting?

Speaker 9 (01:17:03):
Yep, So I might push firefighting and we'll take out
our clients as lights and sirens going. And where my
brigade was, we were a semi rural brigade and you know,
driving down the highway you'd have trs not moving over,
no them noticing you. You'll be blaring your horns, siren going.
You know, even I've passed them. They just don't have

(01:17:25):
a care in the world. They've just got straight line
is hearing straight ahead. They're not aware of what's going
on around them.

Speaker 15 (01:17:31):
It's the same here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
How just out of interest, how quickly could you drive
the appliances?

Speaker 9 (01:17:37):
So you have to do your course to become a
qualified fire fighters. That's about six months minimum. After that,
it's about four months firefighting being confident. Then you can
sit the test saying, oh, yes, I can drive off road,
I can drive safely to conditions, and I can also
drive lights and sirens and be aware what's going on

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around me now that there's a whole bunch of other
stuff out the way.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
And how fast can you drive with lights and sirens?

Speaker 9 (01:18:06):
It was one hundred and twenty over there?

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Okay, probably the same here?

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Is it?

Speaker 24 (01:18:11):
I believe it?

Speaker 9 (01:18:12):
Yeah, I believe it is. Except in a fire truck
you gnerally won't want to exceed that unless you've got
battles in the water tanking, which.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
The understand that flash around could be unstable. Hey, why
do you want Why do you want your motivate license?

Speaker 7 (01:18:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:18:28):
I just like having the freedom on the bike. You know,
you aren't and closed in the metal box like you
are in the car. You feel a bit more free,
you know. I've well overseas. I used to bear the
I guess you could say speeds are going over speed limits,
getting the speed up. But now it's just having the
freedom you know when for your faith seeing other riders

(01:18:50):
and have been able to link up with them as
you're riding along. It is always quite nice.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Okay, and you're you're an Uber Eat are your Uber
Eats driver? I am yeah, YEA nice to hear from you, Jack,
Thank you, good evening, and this is Marcus welcome.

Speaker 29 (01:19:04):
Oh good evening, Marcus. Yes, a great program.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Thanks.

Speaker 29 (01:19:10):
But I'd like to say that not all New Zealanders
are bad drivers. For one, but my great concern are
those on their iPhones, eating and drinking while driving on
a busy highway or at all. I witnessed one waiting
to go on to the motorway, a young lady who

(01:19:31):
was on her iPhone and eating and drinking all at
the same time. And also the other concern is unrestrained
pets and cars. They can get out of control very
quickly and cause an exit, be the cause of an accident.
And the last one is motorbikes that weings in and

(01:19:53):
out of three traffic. You don't know where they're going
and they can end up right in front of you
without you before you know it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
How are you supposed to restrain a pet in the car?

Speaker 29 (01:20:06):
Well, I have a little pets. She's a little toy
poodle and I have a seat for her, and you
put a restrainer on her and then hook them up
both sides in a car seat. I also have a
little one that sits in between the car on the
arm rest and that is well tied down and she's

(01:20:28):
restrained and that they can't get out of. And there's
some very good car seats out there and they are
a must ready for pets unless you have the back
of the car and a bucker cage up between the
back and the front. Some pets are in the cars

(01:20:50):
loose and if anything can spark them off, particularly somebody
like puts the horn on far too loud and it
could start a pet off. That's that is a great
and it's not fair on the pets either. They should
feel they should also feel safe in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
So there's plenty of things available to buy them as
there to buy them.

Speaker 29 (01:21:19):
Okay, yes there are, and now they're not expensive. In fact,
they're cheap, very good ones you can buy online. I've
just bought I've just bought another one just online.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Anothery're like, what do they call them dogs? Seat? What
are they called pet restrainers?

Speaker 29 (01:21:35):
Well, yeah, there's pet restrainers and they're like a pet
box and they have straps in them to strap them
to their restrainers that they have on themselves and they
can lie down and go to sleep, or they can
sit up and watch what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Okay, Oh that's good point. I like the way you're
well organized call and thank you for that with the
three points. Like that very very much. Thanks for that call.
Oh wait, eighty twenty three ten.

Speaker 30 (01:22:05):
Chris Good, evening, Hi Marcus, how are you good things?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Chris Good.

Speaker 30 (01:22:11):
I'm listening in from Bali and just listening to some
really good calls, but a lot of winging about driving
in New Zealand. When I think Kiwis need to remember
they have some of the best.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Roads in the world.

Speaker 30 (01:22:24):
Safe cars. Yes, the driving experience has changed over the
years and it's a lot more congested than it used
to be, but so as the rest of the world.
And I think a lot of people that say, well,
you know, I've driven all these different countries and they
were much better over there, and the drivers are more
courteous Nine times out of ten. When you're overseas, you
are on a holiday, so you're a leisure mode. You're

(01:22:46):
not trying to get somewhere, You're not time pressured. I
think Kiwis need to lighten up. And you know, it's
a pretty good good country to drive around and relatively
easy if you're planned and you look after yourself on
the road, that's simple.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
I think what they say. I think people sort that
using and drives were terrible. I haven't really driven overseas much.
I haven't really got an opinion on that, but they
seem pretty adamant about that.

Speaker 30 (01:23:13):
Yeah, but I think take if we jump into someone
else's shoes, every keyword that says that you know that
they've driven overseas, What is their measure that they were
a good driver overseas, They didn't have an accident, that
that percentage, that little one off spark in the universe
didn't happen to them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
No.

Speaker 30 (01:23:34):
I think if people are driving to the conditions as
you said earlier, and they are driving defensively, if they're
not confident, that can choose your timings where you can
drive a car that is as safe as that you
can afford. And yeah, you've just got to make sure
that you look out for everyone else on the road
and not worry about what they're doing. Not get wrapped

(01:23:54):
up by things that are beyond your control, like traffic
jams or accidents or people doing stupid things on the road.
That's their world, that's their bubble. Don't let it creep
into your world. Just focus on what you'll do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
What's the Barley Road toll? Like Chris, I mean it's
bad or it's quite I mean a lot a lot
of people on motorbikes, aren't there.

Speaker 30 (01:24:16):
Yeah, there are a couple of deaths a month here
for predominantly tourists have been drinking on scooters.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Yes, have you got to wear helmets? Have you got
have you got to wear helmets?

Speaker 30 (01:24:26):
Yeah, just been brought out in the last two years,
and even locals now so the you know, there's always
the shirtless, topless tourists down in Ubud. But everyone's really
good here. And you know, when it starts to rain,
everyone pulls over, goes under shelter and starts talking to
each other. It's it's good fun, but it is dangerous
and you are always ready for whatever can happen, and

(01:24:50):
that's part of just driving defensively. I mean, I miss
having my my U back in New Zealand and the
country roads, but man, it's so much easier. And that
guy that rang earlier Queenstown to Nelson, beautiful road. This
road in the world, that one, as long as it's
not driving during the day and getting caught behind a

(01:25:11):
camber van. Beautiful drive.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Yeah, it's it's it is extraordinary, absolutely, especially those roads
on the West coast. It's something for good about the
service of them as well. They even if you can
get back off the main roads, is extraordinary roads everywhere
there too. It's quite incredible.

Speaker 30 (01:25:26):
Because they're not used as much.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Yeah, well then there seems to be something about the
There seemed to be something. You might be right. You
probably are right.

Speaker 30 (01:25:33):
It's a it's a thicker. They use a course of stone.
I used to live on the coast and land from
Hoka Ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Yeah, that's kind of where I was around up by
Coat of the Way, and the roads are really they're extraordinary. Yeah,
that's where I was thinking. The roads were great up
by the Hokatik Fools or whatever.

Speaker 30 (01:25:51):
Yeah, up the gorge round Canary.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yes, why is it because bitter gravel or something.

Speaker 30 (01:25:58):
Thicker a courser stone is used on the road and
it's so you don't find any s fhelt. It's all
that really coarse material for all the dairy trucks that
are going through and they don't get used as much,
so not as much wear and tear and wider and
that's the beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Okay, Oh, nice to talk to Chris. Thanks very much
for that. Appreciate that. There we go twenty three away,
twenty seven past ten if you want to talk Marcus
till twelve. Good on that lady restrained little dog. But
do I have their car seat in the front seat
beside the driver and exit the airbag will go off
and the dog can be killed instantly. Lindy, thank you.
I have a big dog. When I take it to
the vet or dog park, he sits upright in a

(01:26:35):
back seat with a set but on, just like a person. Wow.
I remember getting my license. I was not going to
eat and drink while driving. Two years after becoming a career,
I could smoke, drink, eat and answer the arty all
at once. Marcus. My daughter lives in Brisbania. It's a
compulsory to have a dog harnessed into the car. All
about driving, Marcus. When you're driving overseas, you usually are

(01:26:59):
bricking at driving because of different environments. But I never
came across inconsiderate, impatient drivers like New Zealand. So I
have no idea where that call was coming from. Anyone
who's in in with a four wheel drive, I think
they own the road. South Island roads have a glacier base.

(01:27:21):
North Island roads have a lot of clay silt cahu, Marcus.
Welcome about again, good car, how yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Yeah, not bad, just driving the crash good.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
No dramas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Is it is the moon?

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Do I suppose you can't see them? Can you see
the moon?

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Not quite spit cloudy and colvedan but yeah, oh yeah, okay,
but yeah, just with the driving side of things. I've
been driving up down the country for a very very
long time as a truck driver, and yeah, you do
see quite a lot of bad things and scary times

(01:28:02):
where you've got to really watch out for other people's driving.
The biggest thing I've noticed is people trying to overtake
truck and trailer units on double yellows on blind corners.
They've been quite a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Why would that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Oh, it's it's scary how much that happens. I guarantee
I'm not the only one.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
That's seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
But I always think, I mean, I always think probably
a truck and trailer is a bit of a no
go unlease. You know, at least you've got overtaking lane
and it's straight. I mean, you don't go there, do you,
because I mean it's hard to get out of if
it goes bad.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Yeah, yeah, And then it also puts us are riska
you know, I'm proba turning off and trying to get
away to save that person and the other person driving
and slaming to someone's house or you know. It's it's
it's a very serious situation that we deal with. Yeah,
it's it's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
And there's not much you guys can do in a
situation like that. If there's a if there's another cat,
I mean, well, I suppose you try and go. You
can't really go with the side let them in, can you?
If they run out of room?

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Well, I can only spect for myself and many other
truck drivers that I've been around, But we will do
anything that's possible to try and get whoever is behind us,
past us at the safest place. But there's even been
times where I've had like a big straight and I've
told the person behind me to go with my indicator
and they'll stay behind you the whole time, and then

(01:29:27):
they'll overtake you in the worst place possible, and it's just, yeah,
it's crazy what you see.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
It feels like a panic sets in or something.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Oh it does every time. No truck driver wants to
see anyone dead, I mean on anybody. One of my
best friends he's gone to Australia, but he was very,
very messed up for two years. It wasn't so much
basically someone tried to take their life and oh yeah,
they ran out in front of him and obviously don't

(01:29:59):
want to have gone too much detail.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Yeah he was at the car on foot he's on
from him horrible. Yeah, okay, and that's that's a cruel
thing to do to anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Yeah yeah, so you know, even our I guess that's
what that person wanted to do. My best man, he's
still messed up, and it's pretty It's been a very
very long time since that happened, but it still eats
him and it's destroysome and you'd have.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
That image, wouldn't you, That last image of that that's
horrible for Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
Yeah, so he didn't want to be a truck drive anymore.
After that, he just starts. He's just too terrified of people,
not just in that situation, but in many other situations
that you know, all of us, probably other normal vehicle
people go through that It just it just freaked them out.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Hikho. Do you think there are enough passing lanes?

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Well, I mean I've already really I've already been in
New Zealand, but I think there is. But there is
like certain places that you know, I get a lot
of people that swear right up my butt and you know,
hi being you see them swinging out and swinging back
in and swinging out, swinging back in, and you know,
all we're doing is praying that you guys just hold

(01:31:14):
off and just you know, when when it's safe, well
we'll let you know. All these are personline coming up
that you can use. But yeah, I think it's just
some people are a very impatient. I'm not just saying
New zealaner, It's pretty everywhere. But it's just that you know,
sometimes we just need to take time and relax and
think about other people. You know, on the other side,

(01:31:37):
you know you're making a bad decision for someone else's
family or kids at risk.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
Yeah, you just need to think of it more before
we make our actions.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Not to hear from you, thanks him, I said, Richard
good evening.

Speaker 17 (01:31:50):
Hey, micaus, it's school nineteen eighty two in college topped
we could tie happy college, you know, And there was
a thing going on those days called the road Show,
and it showed ah, these people. I remember I heard
a goud talking about earlier night when he was in
school in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Two.

Speaker 17 (01:32:07):
He's a truck drive now and got the sky breading
this car with something out his son to see.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Mate.

Speaker 17 (01:32:13):
Well, I saw something like that at the road show.
And they had the all these people dancing around and
so then and they had.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
The god Reaper in it and hang on, I think
I saw that, Richard, Yeah, the road Shoe and it
was it was it was this song like one in Sex.
They kept going about one in Sex like one and
six people got killed or maimed in the road.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Was that the song?

Speaker 16 (01:32:36):
I thinks early eighty to about eighty two was in
high school.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Then yeah, yeah, we added two. I saw it one
in Sex Sauce.

Speaker 15 (01:32:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
It was like like a rock opera, but about dying
in a car crash.

Speaker 17 (01:32:46):
Yeah, and the remember that time to about eighty eighty
two happy?

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Did it come to tye happy or did you go
elsewhere for it?

Speaker 16 (01:32:56):
I went to our school, went to Palmers for the North.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
To see it. Yeah, that's a big trip.

Speaker 16 (01:33:01):
Yeah, yeah, we went to see it.

Speaker 17 (01:33:03):
And and that time, at the time I saw this,
had he ever a young man a fifteen to twenty
four years said more driving as anybody else. And one
of them was an h old hold of seas wagons
guide and it's like looking back at the others and
the other car, and then they ended up at the cemetery.
One by one they disappeared in their graves, and it's
quite phenomenal. Ahead of it, I've got my full Loss's

(01:33:25):
nine eighty nine with a travel cop I was about
morning going and twenty years. But late I got an
eighty seven learners I've done in my grandmother's HK Premier
three or seven SUV eight with the travel cop past.
And then so I fifty six hours speaking to you
before the other night about my ninety six cars I've
had well last week year.

Speaker 16 (01:33:45):
But you see a lot of them on the road.

Speaker 17 (01:33:46):
I see where that truck jobs coming from that you're
talking to It was I said, we were talking about
the registrations. Oh yeah, yeah, both of my cars i've
had because i've had a ninety six when i've got
hours ninety six.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Oh I thought you said you had ninety six cars. No, no, no, no, no,
that's I want to remember that copy that your fear enough.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 16 (01:34:14):
Do you remember the road?

Speaker 15 (01:34:15):
True?

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Then?

Speaker 29 (01:34:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:34:16):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
One in sex it was a song. Yeah, maybe someone
can remember it. I'd like to hear some more about that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:34:22):
I saw the players like an opera or opering.

Speaker 17 (01:34:24):
Yeah, the people balance around and they had and the
thing had this I think this angel theft I.

Speaker 16 (01:34:30):
Had the steering where they standards of this person.

Speaker 11 (01:34:32):
That's what I saw.

Speaker 12 (01:34:33):
I was about thirteenth at the time.

Speaker 17 (01:34:35):
Yes, so yeah, yes, I thought I got my last
years later, got done a little bit nineteen forty five,
got a seven learners. I should have got three months before. Wait,
so I wanted. I didn't wait because three months of war,
so a few months before I don't they changed it
from me because of those days go straight to full.
I wish I had it out of it. What do
you think what I knew?

Speaker 24 (01:34:55):
Now?

Speaker 16 (01:34:56):
There's so many idiots are the very man it's hard
to explain.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
What do you reckon? Was the best drink driving or
best road safe TV?

Speaker 16 (01:35:11):
There's been so many a.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Because some of them been really effective, haven't they.

Speaker 17 (01:35:17):
Yeah, the poor young woman dying and so there and
then office trying to pull the dove for it. She
smiles on him before that pull what she smiles at
Evan before that, she said, because he's done a good
job and he's trying to save for her. I think
she's passing what he's trying to get out of the Yeah,
it's pretty sad, you see.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
It's the same. It's the same day, David, remember that one?

Speaker 24 (01:35:41):
Same?

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
I think? So.

Speaker 17 (01:35:43):
Yeah, And there's another way, mate, there's the other guy
calls him by his name, especially the name driver, but
he crashes mate, mate, mate, mate.

Speaker 16 (01:35:53):
Yeah, she's quite out of it, but yeah, it's quite
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
I reckon, I reckon they've done a fantastic job with
all those heads over the years, because I mean they
all you do remember them?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:36:06):
Yeah, yeah, they standing memoryle always I'm not. I'm fifty six,
you know, I mean, I still members I'm from the eighties, nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Yeah, okay, nice here from Richard. Thank you. I'm just
coming up getting it across the story. But if you
are a cricket fan, the Test between England and India
has come down to the last wicket. England need ten
to win, so that seems to be a very exciting

(01:36:40):
end to them. I don't know the score for the series,
but yeah, that seems to be the situation, and one
of the players might be out there injured. It looks
like one of the players has gone out there with
his arm in a sling. So it looks like Wokes
has gone out with his arm in a sling because

(01:37:03):
he's got it. Yeah, so he's gone out with his
left arm tucked inside his jumper. The crowd of their
hands over their eyes, so I think only you can
only hit boundaries because of that. So that seems to
been extraordinary finished for the cricket. I'll see if I

(01:37:26):
can see what I can see on crick and foe
because that looks extraordinary. So, yeah, that's the situation. Get
that on that. I don't know where you'd find that,
probably on YouTube or something like that. Marcus. I do
roading in Tiawa Mutu area and so over setting up

(01:37:49):
road closures due to accidents. A lot have been car
versus truck, most times fatalities. You have been aware of those.
It's truly sad and frustrating be on the roads. Too
many people be on the roads. Many people are on
their phone. Please pulay over a stop. Life is too short,
thank you. So yeah, that's another thing. The people get

(01:38:13):
called out to set up the diversions after accidents must
be terrible. Thanks for that, But very exciting finish to
the this is well. I think England was a hit
two to one. One of the tests must have been drawn.
This is the fifth test. England now needs eight runs.

(01:38:36):
So the guys getting down on one knee and trying
to sigh that. Oh that might be the other guy,
but I think the tail enders because the score is
yeah three six six for nine, so the down to
their last wicket. So it's a very exciting end.

Speaker 21 (01:38:51):
To the match.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
That's happening as we speak. But if you're a talk
on air, we are talking about driving. I'm getting ready
for the last how but you've got a thing to
say now that'd be delightful to hear from you. The
Road Show remembering this on a Facebook page, does anyone
remember the Road Show stage production show around one in
five drunk drivers dying in the eighties statistic. It was

(01:39:16):
a chrostchitch town hall and was a musical that combined
stage and scream of the performance. It subsequently two of
the country in Australia and then later was trunk to
travel around to high schools. But based on the original
stage production, death was a very Darth Vader type character.
I can't find anything any theater or TV online about it.
Thought i'd ask and here if anyone remembers it, may

(01:39:36):
know if there's any info online. Yes, around nine need two,
I saw this confronting scene of an actor on the
bonnot after going through the windscreen, had no driver restraint on.
From then I've always where won The song I believe
was one in five, definitely was. It was slightly overstated, Marcus.

(01:40:02):
That's the one opening act was the car driving on
the porthills up on the big screen on stage, and
then when it crashed and then after tumbling down the hill,
the car appeared on stage with a person cat order
the wind screen for the impact. Yeah, there we go.
That was a big deal and it were I mean
when when they put you on a bus and took

(01:40:23):
in at something and it was gonna be a big deal.
So yes, you might want to talk about this. Someone
says you just even brought the cassette tape. You could
buy the song one in five, not one and six.
I don't know if one in five people die, I
don't know what that's about. But yeah, you can add

(01:40:46):
that to think. Oh, WA's the cricket scroll. Just go
back to the cricket score quickly Indy won by six runs,
so there's a result there. Indy won by sex boy.
That's as close as the Tests match have been. Good evening, Colin,
it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
I got a Marcus quick on the trucks and stuff
that's taking New Zealand. One of the things that struck
me gave me out of a truck and soon as
I got over there was how serious hour When it
comes to the fine, you know, no sit on over there.
Over three thousand by a fine and you do not

(01:41:22):
have to wait for a cop to see you. There
are thousands and I mean, thousands and thousands of cameras,
even out in the boonies, out in the back box
the Bruce Highway, every two or three kilometers there are
cameras and they are finally intelligent and very fast cameras.
You know, you not wearing kid belts, even touching a telephone,

(01:41:42):
just touching a cell phone, if your hand is resting
beside your cell phone, it's over two thousand dollar fine.
I can't remember the exact that I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
You just don't want to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
It always surprises me. We've always been so slack on
those sorts of things, which it does seem as though
you could, you could police those behaviors out of existence.

Speaker 6 (01:42:01):
Yeah, and you know the excuse of the New Zealand
government of a police givens. Are nobody who paid their fine? Well,
it's fine if you don't tell you fine, you know
those canakias. I'll KNASKI and go for your wages. Don't
go out of your dolls. I'll go after your house,
to your cars or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
I mean, that's a really really lame excuse expected people
we know. And I'm driving a truck and you get
some while besides you can't stay in his body lane
because he was he's talking on his cell phone or
writing on his text machine and that sort of stuff,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
And I'm sure people themselves would like it to be
a thing because in that nose a suit, they couldn't
use it, whereas these days it's almost it's almost defect
though you can because no one's ever caught.

Speaker 11 (01:42:43):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
And I'll tell you one one rule that gets up
my nose that people break every day, and that is
when I'm coming up to an intersection, whether I'm in
a car or a truck or whatever I'm doing, and
I put the left indicator on to overtake, and they
pull out into the overtaking bay, you know through vehicles,
it's like a crossroads or something like that, and they

(01:43:05):
pull out into the overtaking bay and overtake. You there's
two offensures here. One is overtaken in an overtaking bay,
which you're not allowed to do, and then the other
one is overtaking in an intersection. You're not allowed to overtake,
you know, when the life's been solid white. And people
do that all the time, and they wonder why. There's
questions of intersections because you know, the guy taking me
count see the tower that's pulling out of the intersections

(01:43:27):
via left. That's right, that's that's the one that gets made.
None of it's the perfect. We all make mistakes and
we all you know, Colin, what.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
I already liked about that ad, that that one where
there was a there was a driving ad where it
did say, you know, people do make mistakes. That's quite right.
We've all made mistakes driving. I thought that ad was
quite powerful.

Speaker 11 (01:43:50):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
I mean I tried calculating once, and you know, I
used tomate. I've done probably three and a half to
four point something million k in nearly fifty years of driving,
you know, cars, trucks, motorbikes and things like that. And
you know, to turning around to say I'm a perfect
drive and I've never broken the rules or never made
a mistake would be a downright bloody light.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:44:13):
But there's a big difference between making a mistake or
you know, going over to speed on it a little
bit here and there, to just not caring and just
blatant disregard.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
For the rules.

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
You know, Yeah, most of us try to be good,
but you know, sometimes we're a little bit bad or
you know, sometimes they had heavy rock music in a car.
You know, gets to go a little half of it,
but you know, most most of the time you tend
to ignore it, especial when you're starting a bit older.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
You know, no, nice kind of good cool thanks that
eighteen past eleven, like that, a lot of good stuff
to say. Hey, just someone sticks to emailed me through
rather sunny from Pappatoy to me about the rocks the
road show, remember like it was yesterday's show. Came to
found Founders Theater in Hamilton March April eighty three. Did
not think I'd enjoy the music, but I did. Short, strong,
strong message, great lady downs a high drama about death.

(01:45:05):
Not at the top, ask police five mins at John
At the time, many busses came from smaller towns. Yes,
we all got bussed out to that during Muldoon's time,
was it or yeah? I can't remember why it was
going on. Why there was such a desire to drive
everyone around to this road show. Hmm, get in touch.

(01:45:31):
By the way, there's a new wheeline just been unveiled
in Australia called Koala Air Hope that comes to New
Zealand looks like it might be a goodie good evening,
Fred ats Marcus, welcome, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Good evening, Marcus. How are you today? Good?

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
Thank you? Fred?

Speaker 25 (01:45:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:45:48):
Reed? Driving I drive three and a half the thousand
kilometers every week for my job, and I think my
opinion is for a lot of people on the road,
driving is something that happens while they're busy doing something else.
You agree, and again mainly cell phones. They were no

(01:46:18):
lights on at all, and it's like, how the hell
does that work? But anyway, I would propose, if I
had any sort of input, that everybody who holds a
full class license has to rease it every five years.
And it's very and practical because the amount of laws

(01:46:41):
do change on the roads, and in that five year
period there's always a few changes. I mean, most of
us we've looked at a road code once women go
to see our license and that's it. Never look at
it again.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
I guess there's an expense with doing it, but maybe
if they gave up on some if they let go
on some of the other expenses that got tied to
your vehicle registrations something. But yeah, I can't forget how
they could do it, but it does make a lot
of sense to me.

Speaker 18 (01:47:12):
Yeah, Look, it could be made a lot cheaper. M
And like your previous call I said, enforcement of people
who are clouding and breaking the rules. I mean, in
the industry that I'm in, we just can't afford to
get it wrong because it makes a big mess if

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you do. And so you're always on edge, you're always concentrating,
and it's very very sad when something does go wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
And as another.

Speaker 18 (01:47:45):
Previous caller or one of your Texas set, it normally
does end up in the fatality if it's a carvers
struck a trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Yeah, and that must be terrible for the drivers also too,
to you know, the emotional consequences of that. That's not pleasant.

Speaker 18 (01:48:04):
Drivers are Fortunately it's never ever happened to me, but
I know plenty of guys that it has happened to.
One in particular up Northland. The last thing he saw
was the guy in the car looking up and he
threw the windscreen smiling. Because the guy that tried to
previous ocass to commit suicide that way at this time,

(01:48:28):
he actually got it right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Yes, and that's something. Yeah, Yeah, I don't even know.
I don't even know. I don't even know what to
say about that, because that must just be terrifying for
drivers because if someone comes close, you know, I guess
they've got that in their mind as well, that that's Yeah.

(01:48:52):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I
don't know how. I don't even know how prevalent that
it's fred And I don't even know something that people
don't talk about because I don't want sort of to
normalize or to give the people the idea. But it's
pretty harrowing, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:49:06):
It is very harrowing, and especially when you're running a
truck and trailer unit. Yeah, I have people sitting beside
the unit on the motorway and I'm doing ninety and
I'm thinking, what the hell are you doing sitting there?
If I get a tire blowout, I'm going to send
him across the motorway. Yeah, you know, they just don't think,

(01:49:30):
they don't realize or think that you're fifty ton fully loaded.
You can't stop on a dime, you know, and you've
got a lot of weight and a lot of inertia
and to deal with, especially with the way our lovely
roads are. Yeah, it's just it just needs education.

Speaker 9 (01:49:52):
I think, but I.

Speaker 18 (01:49:54):
Can't see that happening either. I think it's actually getting
worse rather than better. Older drivers like myself get to
the point where it it's time to hang up the
keys because it's just to express for.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Nice to hear from your Fred, Thanks for that. Mark
is not sure whether you discussed comparative road tolls, but
fatalities in eighty three was six sixty compared to two
eight nine last year. No wonder they were doing the
driving road show crazy stats debs year. Despite everything, we've
got to celebrate the fact that the road toll has

(01:50:29):
come down unbelievably, And I guess that's a combination of
better roads, better cars, seat belts and awareness of seat
belts and wearing of seat belts, and drink driving. The

(01:50:51):
whole total attitude change of drink driving when both driving
out a seatbelt, well, cars don't have seat belts, and
drink driving was seen to be something that was acceptable.
So yeah, we have done incredibly well with our oad doll.
I've also got to take and this is the time
I always a shot that I always take a time
to remember that the incredible success of the median barrier

(01:51:16):
on the Auckland harbor Bridge. There always used to be
horrendous crashes there, like five, six, seven, eight nine people
killed when they head on crushes on the motorway, but
on the harbor Bridge. But thanks to the medium barrier,
that has become a much much safer place. So well
do on them for that anyway, Marcus, I think our

(01:51:38):
Prime minister would look much better with a smart pair
of glasses. This is not intended to be picky. I
believe he's doing a great job, but unfortunately looks bland.
I'm thinking maybe tortoise shell regards Tricia. You must have
a different idea of a great job to meet Tricia.
But thank you. The unemployments at the nine year high today?

(01:51:58):
Is it the new thing that's through? People like the
ability to judge speed? Nowadays, when you are taught on
a me your vehicle, it's essential to learn how to
judge speed. Also, not enough emphasis is placed on the
two second rule four second win with Is it still
a two second rule? I don't think of it. I
think they might be out of favor. I also don't

(01:52:23):
know what They always indicate three seconds before tuning, but
people seem to not adhere to that quite as much
as is that gone? I think seem to have changed.
Two second rule. Yeah, following distances are crazy, crazy, crazy
short tick with people up behind trucks right up behind them.

(01:52:44):
Of course I'm sound like a renting person tonight, now
renting it all out. I thought there'd be more people
saying you should sit your license in the manual car
that was popular for a while back, automatic shaming, people
saying they shouldn't drive automatic cars because it's not really dry.
Oh here's something else. Since they've got the rams stick.
You know that show alone? Is it called alone or alive?

(01:53:04):
I've always getting alone when they're in Africa. God, that's
got boring. So, I mean it started very well with
all the shots and everything, but it's become so I
watched the last episode, I thought cheap. It is creepys.
Nothing's happening, no one's killing anything, no one's peris, there's
no vicious there's nothing happening, and people just get homesick

(01:53:28):
and they say to themselves, I'm missing my family and
they really need And I'm thinking, well, if your family
needed you, why did you go on to do this
daft thing. For those that don't know, this is a
show where it used to be an Antarctica or Canada.
But you go to Africa desert and you can take
ten items, but you film yourself and you just literally

(01:53:49):
on your own. There's no camera people, there's nothing. All
you've got is yourself and your ten items. One I
didn't even take is pharaoh stick. Crazy. See, there were
your ten items, and you've got to survive for as
long as you can. But you have got a phone
that you can ask for help if you they've had enough,

(01:54:11):
it's called tapping out. Most of them have tapped. I
think it's only three or four left, although you also
get a medical tap out. They come after about two months.
In wag you if you're too thin, they'll make you leave.
But it was quite good in the cold climates because
people stopped food and got ready for the winter and
built shelters. But in Africa it's free Leck cluster. A

(01:54:32):
lot of the animals are not allowed to kill because
they're protected. They really only kill warthogs and fish, catfish,
but they all become self effective and more than then
tap out anyway. So yes, it started with great promise,
but it's become very very unexciting. And I presume I

(01:54:54):
presume they've edited it all up and they've got all
the footage book. I don't think the readit thing is
they film it. But yeah, that's my complained about that.
I don't know if anyone agrees. Don't really care, but yes,
last three episodes, the last two episodes, and nothing's happened,
nothing at all. That's why rent about that. But if

(01:55:17):
you want to talk about the drivers or anything else
before the end of the show or in the Cook Islands,
be nice to hear from you if that's something that
is important to you. Otherwise onwards and upwards. And whether
Chris lux and Christopher Luxen needs glasses you probably we

(01:55:37):
might well have contact lenders. We don't know that about him,
do we? Where they should grow a soul patch Marcus.
I'm presently driving around Norway as part of a world trip.
Today's drive we had Rhodes Bridges, tunnels, Ferry. The infrastructure
is absolutely incredible in Norway. That's from Ray. Haven't got holiday, Ray.
Nice to hear from you, Ray and Norway where as

(01:55:58):
we call them Norway. If loved One stopped teaching future
news in the drivers, there could be an entire expanding
commercial driver education industry and everyone has taught to drive
the same way, with the same driving had of it's
following the same rules.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
So is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
Is the wrong thing? The fact that our parents are
teaching us to drive. I was taught in a driving
taught in a driving school. If y I, I don't
know if it's dual control. I don't think it was.

(01:56:36):
But that did the trick and you nothing. The guy
went on, you know that there's raffles, we win houses
and the Gold Coast he won one of those houses.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
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