No apple for me either (7 April 2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks, that'd.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be greetings and welcome. It's Monday, it's seven pas state
feels later foot see that's the you know, Kingdom's best
known stock market that's just open, that's been gone for
an hour. That's well down to by the way, for
those people that are following the financial news, that's down
about six percent. Although I go for the day it
might have actually leveled down down to about four point

(00:33):
four to three percent. So I think that's one of
the first of markets to open today for after the weekend.
People doing some thinking work out what they're going to
do also, so that's down four point four percent currently.
How are you going?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Firstly, and look this is no well. Firstly, firstly, for me, okay,
I woke up Sunday and I was driving with my boys, said,
so I changed the clock. I thought, wow, the daylight
savings the clock from ten to nine. I thought, jeepest, creepers.
That would be the earliest I've changed the clock ever

(01:08):
all lyt those days and weeks, so that was a
big tick for me. The other thing too, I just
will comment on daylight savings because I have a slight
obsession with it. I think it's got to go. I
think what we need to do is go to what
our summer isn't have that permanent because there's no gain

(01:28):
with the winter turn back. I don't know anyone that's
excited by getting a bit of daylight in the morning.
I can't quite work out why we do it, and
I think it's just I love the summer and I
love the long evenings. But I think it should become permanent.
And I've never really said that as clearly before. It's

(01:51):
something that's for me, has been crystallizing over the past
few days, weeks, months, and news. I'm very committed that
that what needs to do, it needs to be permanent.
Then you talk to school teachers, shift workers in it
might just be an hour, but takes people five six
weeks to adjust. It takes a long long time. So

(02:13):
I don't know what you want to say about that,
but that's my thoughts. Yeah, because I don't know if
anyone ever looks forward to the winter adjust we go
back to normal time. But all it means is that
doom of winter nights getting in closer. I can't work
out what it achieves maybe someone could tell me that
I'm up for the discussion. I will respect your views,

(02:35):
but makes no sense to me to turn it back
none at all. Should just be permanent daylight savings all year,
every year. I'd vote for that if someone said, if
Luckso or Seymour or Peters or hep Co or any

(03:01):
of them said that's what we're going to do, but
get me tick. I think it's a vote winner. And
I can't work out what the point is. And I've
always thought people this is a big thing for me
because I've always thought people that go on about daylight
savings are probably coming towards the part of their life

(03:22):
when their brain's not functioning too well and too early soilility.
But now I've joined those people. I think there's no
point to it. And I surprise myself when I say this,
But it should just be periods. No one. I mean,
I don't know what time it gets late light. I'm
not up in the morning, but what time to get light?
Eight o'clock. So now it's going to get light at
seven o'clock. What does that hour do for anyone? I

(03:44):
guess so kids don't walk to school in the dark.
Is that what it's for or maybe that's a good point,
but yeah, I can't work it out. Should be all
year round and maybe well then you can change the
school hours, but it's not going to work. I look
what time the sun rises tomorrow? Actually down here because
you have had it daylight savings. Don't know why. I

(04:10):
just think it should become permanent, and I've been I've
been angling towards that for a long long time. So
sunrise is seven thirteen to be sunrise and eighth and
that's too early. Who needs that hour? It'd be eight thirteen.
So if you want to agree with me or disagree
with the art for the discussion, by the way, change
your clock. It's going to make things easier. But yeah,

(04:33):
makes no sense to me at all that going back.
I think they just should lock it in and leave it.
There'll be my advice to you people, if you want
to comment eight hundred and eighty, I'll struggle this week,
struggle next week, struggle the week after. And if you
talk to people's school teachers and people that actually know
about daylight savings and the bodies day in or rhythms,

(04:55):
they will say, actually, we underrate it, we underrate the
impact it's going to cause on us, because yeah, it's
that the research tells me. Anyway, get in touch, Oh,
eight hundred eighty taddy in nine nine to de text.
It's all about the circadian rhythms and that's a situation.

(05:20):
So you don't want to mess with them, even the
slightest bit, because they're saying that small change has long
term consequences for our bodies and minds. This is the
latest research. Apparently YEP heightened risk of mood disturbances, hostile
ad missions, inflammatory markers, potential for car crashes spike, and

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it raises the risk of fatal traffic exits by six percent.
Do you go, I'm sticking with this. Get in touch.
My name is Marcus. Welcome eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty and some of you will take days, weeks, months
to talk to the teachers. Any primary school teachers out there.
I bet this week's going to be a nightmare for you.

(06:08):
I promise you about this. I'm ahead of the curve
with this one. Maybe I'm not. I suspect I am
terrible sky reception down south? Do you there's stage a
satellite and I'm at work and I'm just watching runners
it's pixelating up. This note tomorrow looks like that episode
of the Tintin Books when the TV's all win Towry,
get in touch. My name is Marcus. Welcome Middle twelve. Marcus.

(06:30):
Will live at the way our mouth crap night tonight,
but we're in our brand new cabin, toasty warm. Someone said,
will need international reconsideration to change, Marcus. I don't really
care about the daylight saving. I love winter. I'd rather

(06:50):
vote for a band on public sales of fireworks. Goodness
getting touch. My name is Marcus. Welcome Pete, Good evening, Welcome.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
High you're at Marcus.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Thanks Pete? What's happening?

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, I'm just wondering you're actually four to stay all
you around?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yes, i'd like I'd like permanent daylight saving.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
It's our forward.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yes, you turn it, you turn it, will turn it
forward the spring and they never adjusted again.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I don't recent agree with you, because the end of
the day is the thing about it. Most people, you know,
you never get one hundred percent agree to things. But
most people in town they are sleeping and stuff for
that daylight hours wasted anyway, Yes, at the end of
the year, at the end of the day you got
you can utilize that our That's that you're saving power

(07:39):
for us. I'm concerned because it may be okay, the
lawns don't grow much in the winter time, but you
go an extra hour daylight, maybe spend with your kids outside.
It's a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's just pet I think everyone agrees whether it should be.
The summer thing is great, it's fantastic those extra evenings
to go to the beach or whatever, go play p
tonk or whatever. People do, go to the night markets.
But just leave it all year around. Stop the bo
because the back and forth people hate.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Just leave it just you know, I just got an adjust.
It's not a big thing to adjust you once you
leave it there and it's there, change it.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Let's stop missing Who do I write to? Let's stop
messing with the clocks? Who do I write to?

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Everybody?

Speaker 6 (08:22):
David?

Speaker 5 (08:22):
What you good for campaigning?

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Isn't he.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Thit?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Nicety? Every fifteen past day Marcus, where was a dairy farm?
Was awful eaving? The cows eded it through their timing
off the milking, usually waiting at the gate for milking
and fastest sleep off the daylight savings and ten o'clocks
were off, Marcus, daylight savings, come solstice from the Deep South.
About the clock being turned back at one, get light
till ten. Am really sorry to burst your bubble, Marcus,

(08:49):
but I enjoy the daylight in the morning. Now it's
gone back, I'd like to stay where it is now,
cheers Bill Bradford. Well, I forget the surname on the texts.
Get in touch anyone else?

Speaker 8 (08:59):
Am?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I am?

Speaker 9 (08:59):
I alone?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Wolf On while I'm not now because we've got Pete.
But I'm curious that what you've got to say Get
in touch marks Hitdle twelve. Woo, so much fuss about
the one hour change. What's the differen between that and
one hour difference if you fly somewhere else the body
accepts in less than a week. How do you know how?

(09:23):
And I think jet legs different because when you come
back and you kind of your you've got your kind
of your, your deep down Cicadian rhythm that doesn't change
and next thinks Beckon after a while and you're good
to go again. I think probably jet leg is something
quite different. Get in Touch Hittle twelve, one of them
as Marcus, there's something I just want to mention feel
free here to the end. Get in touch. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two to tixt

(09:46):
you want to come through. I'll get the breaking new
to me that happens people of the's stuff that's happening
around the world. I'll bring that to you. Money. It's
about the foot sea. I don't like calling it the
foot sea. It'll ruin. Talk back to you. See that'll happen.
That will be. People will be asleep, they'll be tired,
they work at what time it is, what time of
the day is No one like the break and routine.

(10:07):
I get in touch. My name's Marcus. Welcome. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty and nine two nine to two
de text. You want to come through and comment on that.
Looking forward to what you've got to say? Bang hitdle
twelve all about the daylight savings to be. I've got
another topic of backtop. I just want to get the
people's feelings about this. Get in touch. People want to

(10:30):
referendum on that, Okay. I don't think a referendum. I
just think probably they should go and do it. I
think most people would actually a referendum. You can probably
have that. Anyway, get in touch if you do want
to talk. My name is Marcus Welcome, oh eight hundred
eighty ten. The other thing I do want to talk about, right,
and some of you will know more about this than me. Right,
I've started saying, Right, that's a worry I want to

(10:52):
talk about, and it's going to be a hard topic
to get into because I don't know much about it.
I want to talk about f fantasia. Yeah, I mean
mean to talk about this for months, but I've got
it in my back catalog of things we should talk about.

(11:20):
So fantasia is if I ask you to close your
eyes and picture an apple. So I want to do that.
Close your eyes and picture an apple. Can you see

(11:42):
an apple? Because I can't, and I just thought that
was normal. So two percent to five percent have our fantasia,
which I have. So I can't see an apple if

(12:04):
there's nothing there. If I close my eyes, I can
visualize nothing. This is quite recent decision on this that
people are discovering it. So a lot of people will
perfectly realistic see it, Some will realistic and see it
reasonably vivid, some will see it moderately realistic, some will
see it dim and vague, but I see no apple.

(12:28):
I'm trying it again, and I've never thought that I
had anything as interesting as affantasia. So you don't form
visual representations of objects when you're thinking of it. And
I'm just frety fully diagnosing this for myself.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's not a disability, I don't think, and i't think
it's a bad thing, but certainly I've got it. So
could someone ring me up and tell me when I say,
think of an apple, do you see an apple? And
what color is it? What does it look like? Or
because I think probably most people a lot more people
would be fantasi X. I'm finding it quite fascinating. But

(13:09):
there's no apple. I mean, some people see the apple
and it's got a leaf, and it's got stripes down
the size, and it might be a Pippins or a
Cox's orange. I've got nothing. Some people sit in black
and white, and some people just see nothing at all.
I'm trying this the whole time. I got my eyes closed.
I've seen nothing at all. So if I say close

(13:31):
your eyes and see an apple, tell me what you see.
I think we can have some rich discussions about this, because, yeah,
because I thought most people would have seen nothing. I
haven't got envy of people visualizing things when they close
their eyes, but I'm a hell of a curious about it.
So yeah, close your eyes. Not if you're driving and
think of an apple? What do you see? And tell

(13:51):
me because I don't see anything. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 8 (13:54):
To be.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Like quirky. There's nothing. There's not eveny shadow of it.
I want to know how that's affected my life. So
if anyone's got any discussion or anything to say about that,
because you must be doing it. Now, close your eyes
and what DC? Text me or call me. I'd rather
you're called because I think this is fascinating. Should I

(14:18):
said it weeks ago? So close your eyes and what? DC? Marcus?
Closed my eyes? Well, some tooting sounds. I can see
the apple, but I nearly crashed. Of course, you can't
see apple. Your eyes are closed. Now what do you visualize?

(14:39):
And I say, so close your eyes and what d C?
No apple, I can't see anything. I dream. I've got
great dreams, so I'm not like It's not like I'm
not a dreamer. I have some of the great dreams

(15:00):
of all time. I should be writing down some of
my dreams. I do find that other dreams are boring
to other people. Carrie, it's Marcus. Welcome, good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
How's it going?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
But think, Carrie, I was.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Just driving down the motorway and we're thinking to myself.
Now he's telling me to close my eyes while I'm driving.
I don't think that's a very good idea.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But have you pulled over?

Speaker 7 (15:26):
No?

Speaker 4 (15:26):
No, I'm driving, I've got hands free.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, but did you close your I'm not expecting Yeah, okay,
I mean the proviso was not not a few But
is this something? Have you got that.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Kind of not exactly like that, But mate, I think
there's something wrong in my head because I think about
something and then when I close my eyes it's there.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, I think that's I think that's normal, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (15:59):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (15:59):
My doctor and my wife have been telling me for
years that I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
No, it's it's them. So no, i'd get a new
doctor and a new wife.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, that's nice to know. I've been with it for
twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
So she doesn't visualize anything which she closes your eyes.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
No, mate, I'm going to go home.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
And ask her and your doctor. You know that's normal.

Speaker 10 (16:25):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah? Most people when they close. So if you close,
are you still driving?

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:31):
I still driving on on hands free.

Speaker 8 (16:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
But you can't close your eyes, can you?

Speaker 11 (16:36):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (16:36):
I could, but that'd be stupid.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
And what road are you on? Is there a straight stretch? Okay,
the motorway Auckland's mode away. Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Wait, when will.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You get home?

Speaker 12 (16:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Close your eyes in and let me know what you see.
This is fascinating to close your eyes. What do you see? Nothing?
Ask me think of something else? Did tell me to
think of something else? Close? I was picking a numberween
one and no, that's that's no. I want to I

(17:11):
don't see a number three. Don't see it? Not there,
there's no three. You see. Dan can see the number
written down in front of him. That guy has to
be the greatest first caller of all time. Lull Joe here,
I see nothing, just real dark Diane Marcus welcome.

Speaker 13 (17:34):
Oh yes, Marcus, Malcolm, Malcolm Marcus. I'm ringing to say
I agree with you on daylight saving.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Make it permanent in the story.

Speaker 13 (17:47):
But then you see you have I've had a builder
working here today, firem And you've got to you've got
to sort of think about builders and plumbers and that
sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
That why do they start so early?

Speaker 13 (18:03):
Well I never asked them, but you know they need
the daylight to yeah, we're worth You're going to have
a meeting to say which job are we going to today,
you know, and how urgent the jobs are and all
that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
You are you are you an Auckland, Diane?

Speaker 13 (18:24):
No, No, I'm in the plains South Island, okay, because
I was the mainland down here.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
No, you don't get back into that. That's boris. I
just think. I just think, Diane, that tradees I thought
started early because I didn't want to get stuck in traffic.

Speaker 13 (18:39):
No, No, I think it was just it was starting
to get you know, darker here. It was getting getting
there the finish and you can feel the chill in
the ear, you know. I know the sun was still shining,
but you know it's wiping up and cleaning up after
the plumber's been or has replaced the spouting or whatever.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
You know.

Speaker 13 (19:01):
Yeah, And you wouldn't want them having accidents and you're
hammering in nails and all that sort of things.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I don't think they have hammers anymore. Do they die?
And they just have those guns.

Speaker 13 (19:13):
Oh yeah, you're probably right, and then they have but
they've still got a captimber or do fit there or
fit there?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And yeah, okay, Diane, thank you for that. Keep your
calls coming through a fantasia. If you close your eyes,
I say to think of a rooster. Do you see
a rooster? And I'd see nothing. Hello, Nikki, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
Hi Marcus. You've just tuned my world upside down. I've
never been able to visualize anything, and I always thought
the people that that were doing it or making it
up too. Doesn't run in families.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I don't know. My partner texts me a while back
and she says, if I say it, can I think
her sister is.

Speaker 9 (20:02):
Oh, okay, No, I never see anything at all? Government,
How how did I try? All I see is the darkness.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah I didn't see.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
I see nothing nothing.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
But did you know that we were freaks?

Speaker 10 (20:19):
No?

Speaker 9 (20:20):
I didn't. I thought that the people who's said that
they could visualize things were making it up.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, me too, I thought they were. I thought they
were imagination braggers.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
Yeah, just I don't know, just thinking about it an el,
but the idea of actually seeing it?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
What would what would you?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
What would you?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
What would you need to visualize one?

Speaker 9 (20:44):
I don't know who.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
It seems like it seems like it seems like a
waste of energy to me.

Speaker 10 (20:49):
All this.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Oh look I can see it. Well you know what
looks like a good drawer? I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 9 (20:57):
You can you can think, oh, I glove an apple
and you remember what one looks like exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's not going to go into your men rebanks to
work out what one looks like.

Speaker 9 (21:08):
What a stupid Keep keep your eyes so that you
consider it. If I say to you, can you close
your eyes and think of a cow with took? Can
you do it?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
There's nothing, there's nothing there nothing, But we're apparently we're
two or three percent.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
Oh that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well we'll be teaching at university, will be in the labs.

Speaker 9 (21:35):
A oh A p.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
A A p h. I'm visualizing it.

Speaker 9 (21:44):
Yeah, okay, I'm getting internet.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Now have you got have you got the internet?

Speaker 9 (21:51):
Oh yeah, I'll ask a room. I'll ask check g
PT in.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
You want to you want to watch g PT. That's
trumpast about the tariffs and know that the answer were
so good. It's the inability to form, the inability to
mental images of objects that are not present.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
Is that why I'm counseling has never worked for me?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think. I think. I think if you ever counted sheep.

Speaker 9 (22:25):
I've counted, but I've never seen any sheep.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
But people, Yeah, because people, because I think, if you're
counting sheep, dang, do you count sheep? Do you actually
see the sheep?

Speaker 11 (22:33):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Dan sees the sheep. He's such an image. Dan, I'm
going off.

Speaker 9 (22:42):
What of the What was sheep actually doing? When he
sees them?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Probably jumping, but it's never worked. They jump over a fence.
He's seeing it like his own movie, because he pictures
the fence, he pictures the grass on both sides. He
pictures the sheep coming along. Oh there's a you, there's
a ram over they go, there's a what why would
they do that? Failure of imagination? I felt like, do

(23:13):
you struggle in life?

Speaker 14 (23:17):
No?

Speaker 9 (23:17):
I've both write since a humor.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
No, I don't. I don't because I don't see there's
been a disability.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
M M.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
No, I'm a gashes that everyone else has got something
that I haven't got. Just all of a sudden, on
Monday night, at eight oclot.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
But I think we're more talk about boring our daylight savings.
I think I'm more revolved.

Speaker 9 (23:42):
Yeah, I think I'm pretty evolved too. I just don't
tell the people who aren't that.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think I fancy something like light and day that
we've never no one's ever talked about it before.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
I know, I know, obviously study the word. When was
the first what's the first writing you've train about it?
When we how old?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think it's quite recent. A fantasia history brief history
of affantasia. Affantage was first characterized as the inability to visualize,
otherwise known as image free thinking. It's quite recent. Aristotle

(24:30):
three point forty BC.

Speaker 9 (24:31):
She's he's not the one that the democracy. It was
like Socrates, wasn't I yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Francis Gulton a British psychologist known for her for pioneering
human intended states, but among the first sientists to recognize
non images in the eighteen hundreds. But it lacks scientific
rigor and investigation. So it's a twenty first century thing.

Speaker 9 (25:02):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So the term the term into phasia a fantasia of
blind imagination occurred in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 9 (25:14):
Oh, my goodness, everyone, I know that.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
And the opposite is hyper fantasia, which is extraordinary vivid
where you got cheap and you got the whole shebang.

Speaker 9 (25:27):
Well that that sounds druceful.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I don't want that. What a curse. What a curse.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
It's hard enough having you know, seventy things in your
head to do that, well having things that aren't really there.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, okay, well, nice to meet the filla a fantasia, Nikki.
You go back to your googling. So, by the way,
about a fantasia right. What is interesting is that people,
when I see this, people with low or no ability

(26:05):
to visualize mental limits. I'm more likely to work in
scientific and mathematical industries than in creative sectors, but the
opposite is more common in creative pursuits. Yeah, I mean,
we'll be in groups and Kevin conference as soon. I

(26:28):
don't think you can medicate. I think it's important to
say it's not seen as a disability. It's just a difference,
but such a striking one. Could anyone ask you eve
it a go? There's lines now, friend, tell me what
you think. I don't know what. I don't know where
it comes from in our primordial brain. If it's I
don't know why we would have it and not have it.

(26:48):
I'd like to study it further. dB, It's Marcus, welcome up.

Speaker 11 (26:57):
Until tonight, I've never considered possibility because I do design
work in my head and I can visualize clearly. I
can send things around. When you're talking about the apple,
my next question is, well, what kind of apple do
you want?

Speaker 14 (27:12):
You know? Read green?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
What are you saying? Are you saying an apple just
floating in space?

Speaker 10 (27:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Has it got a leaf on it?

Speaker 11 (27:22):
If I need it, I can add a tree to it.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Such a breaker.

Speaker 11 (27:27):
But the thing is, those of us who do that
naturally can't imagine not doing it, whereas you can't imagine
us doing it. And I've got an even better one
for you. There are people who do not have in
a monologue, and it's called anio the phasia, and they

(27:51):
don't have the voice in their head. And that freaks
me out because my voice of my head is always
talking to me.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Are Well, that's your thoughts, isn't it. Yeah? A lot
of people's, a lot of people with minds are quite quiet,
which freaks me out to as it doesn't that.

Speaker 11 (28:06):
Yeah, And there are people out there who don't have
in a voice.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Have you not? Have you not been aware of just
sticking with the oftent taste? Have you not been aware
that people don't have that don't visualize objects?

Speaker 11 (28:21):
Not until you went it tonight. No, never even occurred
to me that it could happen.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
But it does, dB are your object is your and
three D.

Speaker 11 (28:35):
Yeah, but it does make me understand why so many
times i've someone I've looked at the problem, done all
the masks and movements in my head and moved on
when people haven't got that far, they haven't seen a
good one. I was doing some mooring lines on a boat.

(28:57):
The masters is we need to do this and that
I said, yeah, I've done done all that. Yeah, I
know about that. I'm ready to do it. From his
point to do no time had passed for me to
do that thinking. From my point of view, it was instantaneous.
Let's get on with it. And now that you've mentioned that,

(29:18):
I now understand some people, I suppose maybe use words
to construct the vision without ever seeing it, whereas I
just see it and don't use any words necessarily. But
it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, what's first days? You can't do anything about I
don't think you can dial it up if you need to.
I mean, it's just it's binary. You've either got it,
it's not binary. There's five different stages of it. But
some people just get a vague outline. But you've clearly
got the whole shooting match, haven't you.

Speaker 15 (29:49):
Well.

Speaker 11 (29:49):
I remember, as a sixth form and drafting, I could
look at a picture of a block on a piece
of paper which has got pieces cut out of it,
and I could turn the block around in my head,
understand how to draw it, and then go and draw it.
But I never considered to be I guess it's just
what I did. But I also never considered other people

(30:11):
couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I think it's a majority that can't, so I think
it's a minority. I think it's about two or three percent.

Speaker 11 (30:20):
Apparently interesting because now I'm going to go and interview
a few people about this, because it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I get freaked out by this because there's not much
I can do about it. Yeah, and it's till tonight.
I've never really talked about it, but I've never really
known it, and I.

Speaker 11 (30:44):
Can't visualize not being able to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
They reckon it's three point nine percent. Were the most
extreme is er point eight percent. I reckon I have
the most extreme, which is just nothing.

Speaker 11 (30:59):
So if I say a horse to you, you don't
visualize a horse?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
No?

Speaker 9 (31:04):
And you.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Are you seeing a horse straight away?

Speaker 11 (31:10):
Absolutely? And I had a standing stallion for that. But
I want to make it run. I can, and I'm
doing it right now. But I don't see it as
an ability. I just it's always been.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
You mean, with your eyes are closing your eyes to
see it?

Speaker 11 (31:24):
I can do it with my eyes open. You know
that there's a thing that they have a revolving ballerina,
and but when you look at it, it's either revolving.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
One way or the Oh, yes, I'm familiar with those. Yes, yep.

Speaker 11 (31:40):
I can make it go either way at will. I
have no problem in switching its direction.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, I'm going to run dB, but nice to talk.
Thank you. Greetings, welcome hit'd twelve hele and it's Marcus. Welcome.
Good evening, Yes, good, good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 16 (31:58):
Well, I can't do it either.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Did you know before tonight you couldn't do it?

Speaker 15 (32:03):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (32:03):
And I've never really thought about it. But what does
bother me is I have very poor visual recall. Like,
for instance, I passed the car crash the other day.
I can remember very clearly what the car looked like,
but I can't remember exactly where it was in the street.
And so, you know, I can't I can't remember. I

(32:26):
can't remember things a lot of stuff visually. But on
the other hand, I can actually remember what what you know,
I as like that car, I can I can sort
of see it, but when I close my eyes, there's
nothing there, you know, I can't visualize anything like that.
And I also don't have the inner voice. And I'm
actually quite pleased, quite glad about that, because that's.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
A curse a voice. But but if I imagined, you
can't see the apple.

Speaker 16 (32:52):
No, just just nothing there, nothing there. Shut my eyes, it's.

Speaker 17 (32:57):
Just blank black.

Speaker 16 (32:59):
Yeah. But I've really been I'm really aware, you know,
for a long time that I've got a very poor
visual recall in compared to most people.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, I don't know if the tour are related, but
I'm kind of interested.

Speaker 16 (33:14):
H Yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
There's nothing we can do about it. Where just that's
our curse there or our gift, I guess you could
call it. Maybe it's our gift eleven away from nine o'clock.
My name is Marcus with a gift eight ten eighty
nin text a Fantasia. It sounds like a Disney film,

(33:41):
doesn't it. Have you seen a Fantasia with the dancing mops? Please?
They didn't make that into a real movie. It's a
dreadful thing. Diuse you don't see Fantasia with school. One
of the most boring things we had to sit through.
I could close my mind and imagine other stuff because
they haven't got that skill. Breaking news when it breaks,

(34:03):
it's all about the foot sea. Get in touch. My
name is Marcus Hill twelve. Be careful on the roads
because it's daylight savings. The first week after daylight savings,
a lot of crashes, a lot of crashes. Good evening, Steve,

(34:25):
it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 18 (34:27):
Ogay, Marcus, Steve, thanks to take him like cool. Look,
I've just I've just joined you guys, and it's a
really interesting subject. And I heard when I first joined
that you you were saying that scientists, mathematicians, et cetera. Ah,
did I get it right? I'm more likely to be

(34:48):
the ones that can't originalize correct. Okay, what about those
absolute geniuses like Leonardo da Vinci, who was obviously an
incredible scientist, and he I would have had to visualize

(35:09):
to produce its flight machines, all those sorts of things
that he did, which it was really not art, not so.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Much, Steve, not necessarily because you could do that with
pen and paper and stuff, Right, I don't necessarily know
that that preclude that He's still got.

Speaker 18 (35:27):
To pull it out of the ear, doesn't he?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean you can still invent things if you
got a fantasia.

Speaker 18 (35:35):
I think, Yeah, I don't know. Look, I just thought
I just thought i'd bring it up because it just
struck me. I thought, well, what about these people like
him who seem to have both the skills.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, you know, And as I say, I'm about one
hour into this discussion, I only know what I've I've
really only thought about it for myself for about forty minutes.
So yeah, I'm mute to this and I'm still coming
to terms with it. But yeah, I don't think my
life's going to change.

Speaker 18 (36:02):
It is this also to do with being able to
visualiz facial things, to be able to turn a box
over and look at and draw it the way that
it would be turned over. You know what I mean.
I think it's but.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
You don't close your eyes for that, do you. This
is about when your eyes are closed in what you imagine.
I think you know that's all right because because the
I think it's called it called dB was talking about
visualizing stuff, and I think he might well be doing
that with his eyes open as well. This is pretty
much when your eyes are closed. If you see that image, okay,

(36:44):
I think most of us with the eyes that open
could look at something. Okay, there's a hole there. I
could tune that over to go that. I think we
can do that.

Speaker 18 (36:52):
I'm just thinking how I how I visualize a I
don't think i'd have to close my eyes to visualize
a cow.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
But if you close, so are you have? You got
a fantasia? If you close your eyes, can you see
an apple?

Speaker 18 (37:10):
It's easier for me with my eyes open. It's easier
for me to visualize it.

Speaker 14 (37:16):
With your eyes open.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, I realize that. But actually, if you close your eyes,
can you see it?

Speaker 9 (37:20):
I can?

Speaker 18 (37:21):
I can visualize it.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Is it clear? Is it black and white? Or is
it in quite a bit of detail? No, it's black
and white. You're three out of the zero to five scale.
You're a three. Right, I'm looking.

Speaker 18 (37:38):
At I don't know whether that's good or bad.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, I don't think it's good in bead. I think
it just is so then fact, you've got the Fantaisia test. Right, Yeah,
it's just buffering. We've got a minute, We've got two minutes.
It's fine, it's just doing it. I've got too many
tabs open. You have to close trade me.

Speaker 18 (38:03):
I mean you sounded a bit like there's no right
answer that I mean just down. You sound a bit
like a one of these aptitude tests that you do.
You know there is no right answers. I don't worry
about it, but you won't. But you won't get the job.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Well, most job, most job interviews. Now, the guy gives
you a cup of coffee or woman, it's whether you
actually grab the cups and wash them at the end.
That what gets you the job. Now, that's what that's
modern management. Nothing else matters. Hey, I cut dang. I'm
going to give you tell you what Dan is my Oh,

(38:40):
here we go. I've got the test. If you see
it perfectly realistic, as real as seeing you're a one.
If it's realistic and reasonably vivid, you're a two. If
it's moderately realistic, you're a three. If it's dim and vague,
you're a four. And if there's none, if there's nothing,
there a five.

Speaker 9 (39:01):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
So it's other lifelike, clear and vivid, clear and vivit
dim or vague or nothing?

Speaker 11 (39:11):
There you go?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
What are you? I think you're a two. I think
it's dim and vague. Okay, visualize a bird. Yeah, can
you say it? Speak?

Speaker 18 (39:27):
No, I can only see. It's your sake.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
You're two. You're clear too, You're definitely a two. I'm
enjoying this. Yeah, because the three can see.

Speaker 15 (39:37):
The little.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Warble bits, the wattle, and the different and the different
colored legs. Here's a two. Such a two textbook? To
Steve O, we are talking about a fantasia, which means
if someone says, think of an apple and you close
your eyes, do you see the apple or not? If
you don't see the apple, you're a fantasiac. I don't
see the apple. Someone said that the scale's wrong, that

(40:03):
if you don't see the apple, you're a five. It's
a rever. So I called that guy a two. What
I call him Dan? A what sort of two. What
was the other thing I said is a total to
textbook two. I think he's actually a four. One is

(40:25):
when you see everything. Two is when you see bits
and bobs. I've got text and explain this, Marcus. One
as strong as five of the week is. So the
bird example on thee is back to front with a numbering.
I'm a one bragger. I see everything clear when I
shut my eyes. In fact, I see things better when
I close my eyes, which I often do my job
to intuit how to solve a problem. I think in

(40:47):
colors and images regularly, and use colors to help make
decisions and interpret feelings about something. I have a voice
in my head all the time too, I assumed everyone
did until recently, great discussion. I've met people with no
voice in their head, and I think, what a gift
not to have it, Not to have the chatter chatter chatter, Marcus.

(41:10):
I have a strong visual memory. It's easy for me
to recall things that happened in the past. I think
that's a different thing. I think memory is a different thing, Marcus.
Scientists on the radio said the healthiest way would be
with regular time, not daylight saving and accidents are more
prevalent when the daylight savings kicks in, Marcus, in relation

(41:34):
with your topic of conversation tonight, I can see everything
before me. I'm a florist and a painter. Only just
you didn't want a crazy topic? Who you that? Not
everyone can visually get the apple on the head or
the voice? I have both, Marcus. The visualization that you're discussing,

(41:58):
is it the same as when somebody is trying to
picture and ask what do you see an elderly lady
with a feather and a hat? No, that's quite different.
But that's about mine flexibility. I think it's a bit
of hocus pocus with that. Also, what about those plates
if you can flip it back to front the Starofome.
I've looked at those for a long time. I cuts
anything good evening makes it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 19 (42:22):
Oh goodname, Marcus. Great topic. Yeah, look, hey, I'll just
get the daylight saving this thing out of the way first.
That I agree with you totally, that you know this
flipping back and forward, it's it's really annoying. It Yeah,
it's got, it's got. Look, there's got to be a
law against it. It's it's just ridiculous. It MUCKs up

(42:43):
my fishing, you know, I like doing fishing during the
sunsets and that, and this just totally throws a spanner
in the word too.

Speaker 14 (42:50):
This is going to.

Speaker 19 (42:51):
Change now with the visualization, with it, with the mind.
And when you said about the apple, I closed my eyes.
I could see an apple, but it was just like
floating in space. I can do this very very clearly.
I do a lot of art. Very that I've studied art,
and I do oil paintings and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
When when you say study that, what does that mean.
You've studied, You've looked at art or you've been to
art school.

Speaker 19 (43:17):
And I haven't been to art school. But I started
doing oil paintings when I was eighteen. I'm now seventy three,
and I'm more of a hobby artist. I've never really
done a lot of marketing or I have sold paintings.
But I really love I really love doing especially oil
paintings or critics. So I do art.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
What's your subject matter?

Speaker 19 (43:41):
I love doing landscapes and seascapes New Zealand landscapes and
sea escapes. Oh yeah, great, because we've got so much
of it here to paint. Every every redear turn but
you know, with I think a lot of artists, A
lot of artists can can do this. They can close
their eyes, because that's what I do. I close my eyes,

(44:02):
I can I can clearly see stuff, and normally in
full color. When you said about the apple, it was
floating like in blackness. If you had said an apple
on a table with a red.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Can take your mouth back? Can you take your mouth
back from your fung A bit of muffling, which is bad. Yeah,
just take your mouth back from your that's better.

Speaker 19 (44:24):
Is that bit better?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
A little bit better?

Speaker 14 (44:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (44:28):
Oh, sorry about that?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (44:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (44:31):
So I I really think I was surprised when you
said you couldn't see anything. I was very surprised because
I thought most people could do it.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
No, I don't want to be judged, but.

Speaker 19 (44:45):
No, no, no, no, no, we're all different. So I'm
not I don't believe there's anything wrong with that, but
but it just ss.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You got to watch out because in the current political climate,
people might start rounding us up and putting us on
an island. That's the way it's going. So yeah, I
mean that's the thing, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (45:03):
Yeah, Stuart Island as appre handed, but but you.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Must be you must be a one. You must be
the strongest. Was that a five? You must be the strongest.

Speaker 19 (45:16):
Yeah, And I think it can be developed. You know when.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
You know this is this is not through laziness that
people can't do it. It's not something that can be developed.
I'll be quite quite clear about that.

Speaker 19 (45:26):
Okay. Well, well I've always been I've always had that,
and I think a lot of artists. There was a
guy ringing up. He said he was a designer, and
he said he can see it. He can see things
clearly and then he designs them. And you know, I
think a lot of people in that sort of art design, creative,

(45:47):
you know, those creativity people that people that create would
would be able to see stuff quite clearly. And and
that's I'm definitely as clear as a bell breger.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Uh An email from Benjamin Marcus. I can only see
a two D apple? What stage am I two d apple?
It's just a two D apple? You're a Is it
black that you're a three? I think that you're a three.

(46:27):
You're a two or three or two? You just see
the outline. A three you set in black and white
with a leaf of four, you set with kind of shading,
and five you see the full bit with a bite
taken out of it. That's if that's what you are
visualizing a fantasia. I don't know if that's how it's pronounced.

(46:49):
See a lot of cars being stolen V cargo. There
was one at the on Et Beach. Now there's one
outside the Harvey Norman car park with all its windows open.
What is it? Sixty two comments? People love to comment
on a stolen car, normally comment about the police. What

(47:10):
a strange place to leave it. Surely the Harvey Norman
camera would have captured something. This is getting ridiculous. Anyway,
get in touch one of its Marcus, Welcome, Dave, good evening.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Okay, Marcus.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
I've fit in the mirror on the side of the
road about a week ago, and now I thought, what
I'm going to do. What I'm going to paint on it?
See I paint on any sort of substrate, doesn't have
to be canvas. As a candle. Now it came to
my mind that I seen it was originally a flame
or a fire on the TV, and I thought that

(47:47):
looks interesting, and it's to develop from that into a
candle with its colors. I've already painted the substrate and
the fhato red and I can see the colors and
the flame in my mind going from white by the
wick up to orange up to red and yellow.

Speaker 10 (48:07):
Head.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's so what I'm pretty much designed,
and I can see it in my mind what I'm
going to paint, and also got it on a dish
and a dark dish that's going to be in shadow
in parts and places. And the flame itself, as I say,
is going to progress from white by the wick and
progressing and too red at the top of the flame

(48:31):
the candle. Yeah, And it's all done in my mind. Soye,
what I can see and.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Picture so you could clearly see an apple.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
Absolutely yeah, yeah, to be to be read crispy apple.
When I can see the thing at the top of
the you know what do you call it? Yes, yes,
the stalk. Yeah, it's even got a couple of green
leaves at the top of it, perhaps, yeah, but predominally
as I say, I can even picture like past paintings,

(49:05):
is say, of the other than Alps or even down
the Southwestland with the waterfall, and you can picture the
remarkables in my mind's eye, and even the colors that
come with it. I'm not scriting. I'm just telling you
that's the way it is. And I'm surprised that.

Speaker 14 (49:28):
I thought everyone.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
I thought it came naturally to everyone.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Do you feel pity for those that can't see it?

Speaker 9 (49:39):
Well?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I do.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
I do. For creativity, yes, indeed, yeah, absolutely, because I
do enjoy sitting down in the evenings and painting, or
even during the day when I get home and I
just look at something and it comes to me that,
first of all, I'm going to paint it, say with
a phato read over a black background, and see that

(50:02):
read only picks up when you add titanium white. The
same with blue, same with fato blue in the back,
and you picture it that way. So it's like something
just progressing, but you only have to add the titanium
white to it, you understand.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Thanks, Dave, appreciate that. Eighteen past nine. He's a five?
Was he one? Does it go backwards? Got a look
at the scale again, people, he's a one five, You've
got nothing. I'm a five. Hi, Petty, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 13 (50:40):
Oh what a what it's subject?

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I've loved this tonight. I am you, Marcus. I am you.
I've joined the cup, you know. I if someone said
to me, oh, you can't they just count sheep, I'll
go I can't see any I cannot see them.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
No, nor me.

Speaker 17 (51:02):
Oh oh.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
And look, honestly, I'm a math friend though an accountant,
and now I understand like I'm one of these people
that you know, how someone gives you a task and
they say bah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and
you say, look, I've got to be shown how to
do this before i can do it. So I'm not

(51:23):
visualizing the task, you see, probably because I have to
actually physically do it. So that's explained my whole life.
And I'm seventy four.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Now, So what do you say? Yeah, okay, so yeah, yeah, okay,
But I think that's different. This is about when you
close your eyes, I think you can visualize it.

Speaker 12 (51:42):
Well, absolutely, okay.

Speaker 13 (51:44):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I can't. It's blank. When I closed my eyes. And
if you said, I imagine you had a boulder there,
well I can't see anything. I cannot see the bolder.
I cannot see it, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
And I've always I could draw a good boiled egg
for memory. I could do it.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
I could do a great boiled egg, but when you
suddenly close your eyes, it's just not there.

Speaker 12 (52:16):
No, you know, it's not there for me.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I am and now I don't feel so alone.

Speaker 7 (52:26):
You wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But you wouldn't have known that other people did do
that anyway, would you.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
No, not until you've bought the subject. Yeah, tonight, yea,
how we've blunt so much about our sub tonight. I
can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Extraordinary, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It is what we don't know, isn't it amazing? Is
there's so many things, and these are little intricacies of
our personalities or whatever you'd like to say, little things
that get onto your layers, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
It makes the world more interesting.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, yeah, but we're all so different and we don't
know it.

Speaker 12 (53:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I agree, you know, Patty nine, And I'm please I've
given you that joy to know that today, Marty Marcus,
welcome home, Marcus.

Speaker 14 (53:14):
I thought you're talking about advantage of the movie. Yes,
so we were very visual movie.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
But now with the dancing with the dancing mops.

Speaker 14 (53:23):
Yes, yeah, it feels like I was done at the
time with a lot of people are taking haellucid.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I think it was in the nineteen thirties, Marty, I
think the fair I think it was like the first
of the animated I might be wrong with that, but anyway,
that's a that's a digression.

Speaker 14 (53:38):
Yeah, it's color. I think it's colors. That must be
a little bit later than that.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I'd but anyway, nineteen forty Oh yeah, yeah, that'll be right.

Speaker 14 (53:48):
Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 13 (53:50):
What there is.

Speaker 14 (53:51):
I'd say, do you think that the Fantasia people are
non visual and more audio? But are you good at
Like you're obviously on radio and you can hear if
I'm in a spa or mock like, do you think
you're a listening person rather than a visual person?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I'd say as a visual person. But I just don't.
I just don't have anything that want to close my eyes.

Speaker 14 (54:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. What about when you're a prep
what about when you're cramming it for your dams? Did
you highlight stuff with different highlighted or do you just
cram it and read it? Are you calicating?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
No? I wasn't a great studier, but had a fairy
good memory, so yeah, I cramming it on the Yeah,
not really one, not really one for the highlight of pins.
So that's quite a recent thing. The highlight of pins,
weren't they? And they came about I think a lot

(54:47):
of people thought using a highlighting pin memorizing but didn't
actually really did it.

Speaker 14 (54:52):
Well, probably didn't get going to me, so I came
twenty five, so probably probably not.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, what we're studying at twenty five?

Speaker 14 (55:01):
The scriptures I was doing? I was doing a Bible
college thing. Yeah, did you go around me?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Did you go all right?

Speaker 7 (55:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (55:08):
Yeah, once I got once, I'm struggling until I got
the highlighters out, the unlocked the unlockersia for me.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Oh yeah, do you get tested on that? No, it's
just fear its own sake it Wow.

Speaker 14 (55:24):
You've got to complete things. Yeah, but anyway, but I
saw excited on Sunday. It was the greatest dairy farming
day of the daylight savings of the winter.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Whatever.

Speaker 14 (55:34):
I got to sleep, got to sleep in for an hour.
You could get up and see all the cows, didn't
have to fight. I didn't have to fight over the torches.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
So what's the difference. What time are you normally getting them?

Speaker 9 (55:45):
Wow?

Speaker 14 (55:46):
Once a day is pretty relaxed. Marcus normally getting up
about five thirty, getting out the door at about six.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah, normally, okay, so you're still so now when you're
getting up at five thirty, it's a bit lighter.

Speaker 14 (56:00):
It's not like it's quite a lot lighter.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (56:03):
Before you had to really find a torch that worked well,
and you have to check pretty hard to see a
black cow.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Well, if you're if you're doing one today, while you're
doing it in the morning.

Speaker 14 (56:13):
Because you've got to get it done so you can
so you can go mountain biking or whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
How many hours your cracking a day? Like four? I should.

Speaker 14 (56:29):
Affinitely in the single digits during the week, about five
or six, but depends and on the weekend the cow
doesn't make it about two hours a day in the weekend.
This is probably the lowest time.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
So you're not even doing thirty hours a week. No, No,
we have the Gold Coast for a month.

Speaker 14 (56:52):
Well, well, the Gold Coaster has been right off. It's rain.
The amount amount of college rugby team just been there.
The beaches are wrecked, it's rained.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
All the sand got washed away, and all.

Speaker 14 (57:03):
The meta readers aren't on the roller skates?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Did they come? How did they go? The team?

Speaker 11 (57:08):
They go?

Speaker 7 (57:09):
Right?

Speaker 14 (57:09):
They won three out of four and it was only
a New Zealand team and they did. They had a
big hocker. Everyone was excited about the hacker.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Uh some country, some country bumpkins.

Speaker 14 (57:23):
No, No, I think it's the rich private prepol from.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Of course it will be. Yeah, well where was where
was a tournament?

Speaker 8 (57:32):
It was?

Speaker 14 (57:32):
It was in Brisbane, but they started at the Gold
Coast for the old party throw up the coast. Yeah, brilliant. Yeah,
and and and the sumer was going to live streams
on the old dad Facebook live streams. So that was
kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It seems to be the thing. There was sports tournaments.

Speaker 9 (57:50):
Yeah, you don't.

Speaker 14 (57:50):
You can be at home, milk and the cows are
out mountain.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Bode Yeah there, No, that's right. I noticed that too,
that they've got the go pros.

Speaker 14 (57:58):
Because do you want to know what I'm visualizing right now?

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Ten dollars payout?

Speaker 11 (58:03):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 10 (58:05):
Well?

Speaker 14 (58:07):
No, I'm originalizing my dodgy mountain bike tire. I'm just
put new celants and I'm hoping it doesn't go flat.
So tomorrow's ride.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Where's your right? Where's your ride tomorrow?

Speaker 14 (58:17):
So I'm just going to ride around the farm.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah, brilliant, me too, I'm gonna run big down the
farm tomorrow. I can't tell you why get in touch.
My name's Marcus. Welcome eight hundred and eight. I'll get
to the text. If you've been texting and wonder why
I'm going to read it out. I walk and shall
do that people. My name is Marcus Headled twelve A

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fantasy the ability to the inability to visualize items in
your head. Marcus, right close my eyes, I only see
a back basic, a black basic image of an apple.

(59:01):
Honestly thought this was a thing like walking. Just it's
what we do here? Is can you draw two objects interacting,
like say, a cup of coffee on a plate from
your minds? Are you have to see it? I could
draw a coffee, cup of coffee on a plate easily.
I'll do it.

Speaker 14 (59:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
What are these people doubt me? I haven't got any
pens here. There's a cup of coffee on a plate. Okay,
now people think I'm actually there's the handle, there's the saucer.
There's the saucer. I'll send it straight through and Dan
can put it on Facebook. Just today that I mean.
I can do stuff. I can draw. I just don't

(59:38):
need to see it to draw it, but everyone was
like that, So I've just drawn that. Seen that to
Dan Dan or post it. There's my charger cable in there.
You say you can draw things, people, you just can't.
You just don't not close in your eyes to see it.

(59:59):
Pay good money to see Dave's kendle and on the
mirror it's brilliant with there's Titan to Tatium just in
the middle of the final of White Lotus and the
effing sky signal has failed. In Cappity, it's raining. I

(01:00:22):
can see Dave's cand along with a slight double image
where there's a gap between the patent serfs and the
mirid rear surface. No effort required, as natural as breathing.
Just really curious. I don't see any visuals, but definitely
have the chatter one of the folks that clear see
pictures do they have a voice as well? Isn't that

(01:00:42):
the brain just functions? Isn't that the brain? Isn't the
brain just fascinating? Poorly read Marcus, Sorry about that. We
are talking about a fantasia when so most of us
when you close your eyes and say think of an apple,
you see the apple. But there are some of us

(01:01:03):
very special people that see nothing, like Sergeant Shultz with
him that says I see nothing, I see nothing. I
see nothing. If it Shultz or Clink, I get them confused.
I see nothing what we are talking about tonight, And

(01:01:25):
I'll rate your ability to do it if if our
sergeants Shultz, which what we are talking about tonight? Very interesting,
life changing, the interesting? Those who see nothing? Does that
make you disabled? And can you therefore park and disabled

(01:01:46):
car parks without risking a four p fifty fine. I'd
call that a major plus icate. No, I don't think
anyone's saying it's to say it says something different. What
are other things that we can do that are different?
It's like being able to Some people can roll their
tongue and some people can't. That would be my take
on it. I don't regret not being able to visualize things.

(01:02:08):
I've never known that what it's like to not visualize stuff.
When you close your eyes, nothing there, There is just
nothing there. I feel I like, what about they guys
ask me questions about study. I did watch the Grand Prix.
Not much happened. I'm surprised how much the kids to

(01:02:31):
liking it After watching that Formula one series. They find
that quite compelling what the younger boy does, and I don't.
I mean, because it's just about contracts and stuff. Anyway,
kid's got through record names and teams and stuff like that.
So it is interesting, Marcus. When I close my eyes,
are going to see a basic black image of an

(01:02:52):
apple enjoying your show. Ginny, we are talking about I
can't even remember a fantasium. It's kind of a hard
word to remember, hard word for me to visualize for
we're on about tonight. Get in touch if you want
to talk Httle twelve. The inability to visualize things when
you close your eyes. Are you surprised to find out

(01:03:12):
that that is you? If you've just found out that today,
how do you feel about that? There's very simple tests.
I mean, well, the tests couldn't be simply. You just
gotta imagine an apple, and most of us can, although
some can't. Some can't even see it. The inability to
voluntarily visualize images. It's got a good Wikipedia page. A

(01:03:46):
twenty twenty study concluded those who experienced a fantasia also
experience reduced imorrigey imagery and other senses that have less
vivid autobiographical memories and significant differences in all aspects of
memory YEP. A twenty twenty one study concluded that while

(01:04:14):
those with a fantaser reported fewer objects in drawing recall,
they showed high spatial memory concerning controls and drawing. It's
much studied. What's that kid game with the kids? I've
got to fight where you've got to find images. I'm

(01:04:36):
quite good at that. Anyway, if you want to talk
about that's what we're on about tonight. Here till twelve
eight hundred eighty ten nine nine to text, get in touch.
If you want to mention, talk about that. That's become
as a surprise to you. Marcus. When I close my eyes,

(01:04:56):
I see the apple in the back of my head,
not in the blackness in the front of my eyes.
Well I can't, but I presume everyone sees it in
their head. That's right, Dan, It's not in the blackness
in front of your eyes. It's behind you, up between
your eyes, at the back of your skull. Right, how
far back it's in the middle. How big is the

(01:05:21):
apple if you close your eyes and your imagining your
hits a sphere, would it take up a third of
that or is it big is it like from the
mouth right up to the top of your brow. I'm
asking Dan's apple size? It's actually an apple size. Well,

(01:05:44):
it's life size. But what about if you imagine something
that's bigger, Like what if you imagine a tesla? Dan,
can you see a tesla? It's a test of the
size of an apple. Yeah, he's visualized a tesla in
the on the road in the environment. Rah do it's Marcus.

Speaker 11 (01:06:06):
Welcome Kara, Marcus.

Speaker 10 (01:06:09):
How are you mine? Look, it's quite interesting what the
topic was to choose. I try to figure out how
to do it. I'm driving. I can't close my eyes
at the moment. Yeah, but I tell you when I
done my apprenticeship back home in Romania in oil industry,
we had to put up on the middle of nowhere

(01:06:31):
a lot of big thanks for collecting oil and puants
and we had as apprentice, we need to figure out
where to put all the equipment to be able to
connect eye point between them. And then we had to
look and learn how to visualize three D all the
imagining when you look on a drawings. And for me,

(01:06:53):
if I have a big job, I visualized it from
the beginning to the end. How it's going to job.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
What was your printers, I'm mechanical fitter. I was you
were you were the prince y? Yeah yeah yeah? What
was it there? Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:07:11):
Yeah yeah, Now interesting facts for you, Marcus. Let me
update it. Isaac is doing well with his driving. Okay, God,
And look, I uh taught him when he's doing he's
going to bed in nighttime. He's shooting another card from

(01:07:31):
memory and took him probably two to three weeks. The
visualized clear picture of the target when the bullet go
into the target and after that is much easier. And
now he should very easy one card every night. On
is going to bed on all in in in his head. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I wonder two of those people that can't see things,
like myself when people tells to visualize it, probably because
I don't even know what people mean when they say
visualize something, because for all of us is impossible.

Speaker 10 (01:08:04):
It's quite interesting here you're right here. I think it's
a matter of for practicing because from the beginning, he says,
he said, very foggy, the target, you can't see it's
clear of the target. And after a while he says,
it's seeing clearly that the target is much clearer. I'm
not sure, but probably if you try to practice you

(01:08:27):
looking before to April, then.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I hear from you, right, so I've got to look
bad at the end there. Why don't you turn Dan's
mike can't so we can hear him too. They've tried
that with hosts. Then they want more money nixt thing,
you know, they want equal billying, they want to be
on the posters. Never ends, well, I forget the first one.
They let them and so manage managerial nightmare, management nightmare,

(01:08:57):
get in touch of your Dan has got my here?
How many times you've spoken don't speak now?

Speaker 17 (01:09:01):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
How many times you spoke on here? There was once
with some technical question, wasn't there twy once was about
be something to a skytchev spokes sport uh, once was
about spark sports, and once sarted to go to a
phone booth? Did I because we lost power? Did I

(01:09:23):
broadcast from the phone booth for about Tim was like, yeah,
did I find a I found a payphone? Didn't I
myself around a retro? That's a challenge. What did you
talk about?

Speaker 10 (01:09:33):
Dad?

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
When you're talking? I told you that the powers back on? Yeah,
Oh it's good. Dan has done me dawns. Dan has
done that. Dan can do radio. Oh yeah, there's no slouch.
It does a very interesting show, but that's not as
real forte as the old producing. Yeah, and he's also

(01:09:56):
a great visualizer. Count Sheep does the whole lot. Marcus,
I went to a sleep doctor. There's two ways you
go to sleep fast. First way, elevate your legs so
they're above your chest, losing at least three to four
pillows behind your knees. Second one, relax your face. Muscles
fired by relaxing everything else in your body thinking about

(01:10:18):
relaxing them. Start with your face, shows, just arms, snee's feet. Wow,
never been to a sleep doctor. But if you want
me to analyze what scale of a fantasia or I
can do that. I've got the chart. It's pretty straightforward.

(01:10:41):
An now the breaking news. I'll bring that to you.
We talk about mind visualization. Louise AT's Marcus.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Welcome, Hi Marcus. What a fascinating subject.

Speaker 9 (01:10:54):
Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:10:58):
I mean when I I've never heard of it before.
When I close my eyes, I just see blackness or
different colors.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
But if I say think, if I say think of
an apple and you close your eyes, do you see
an apple. Uh, clearly you don't.

Speaker 8 (01:11:20):
Yeah, actually see it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Most people see it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:26):
Oh no I can't see it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I can No, you can't see it. That's it. You're
you're a three percenter the most people. Most people see it.
So when most people, when most people are counting sheep,
the sheep are they can see the sheep running along
and jumping the fence. Really so you can't see anything.

(01:11:54):
Oh that's hopeless, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:11:59):
You're weird.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
It's weird, isn't it. So most people see everything they
talk about where they close their eyes, say apple, pig, sheep,
scuba mask, they just see it. I could you know
most people. I appreciate your shock.

Speaker 16 (01:12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:12:21):
Well I remember doing group visualization things and they say,
will visualize something, and I sort of think about memories
I had.

Speaker 12 (01:12:32):
Yes, that's right, and we always could never say it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
And I always thought those people that were seeing and
I thought they were faking it. Oh whatever, But that's that,
that's what they can see it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:44):
Oh so what does it mean if you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
It means you have a fantasia, a fantasy.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
I'll have to look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
But it's not a it's not a negative or a
positive no, it's not something you get mad care for.
You can't take ederall or anything for it. It's just
what you've got.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
No, no, no, oh, let's puts on an artist.

Speaker 12 (01:13:14):
So no, very good one, clearly, really, I've told que paintings.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Yeah, it goes to show a because a lot of
painters of the time.

Speaker 8 (01:13:29):
Yeah, my my, they say your autobiography biographical memory is
that good? Miners. I have a very good memory of
from when I was seventeen months old, and it's nothing
that my parents put them there, because no, it's definitely not.

Speaker 12 (01:13:48):
But I can't see it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:50):
I can remember it, you know what too? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
no I didn't know.

Speaker 9 (01:13:57):
I didn't realize.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
No, oh, don't get don't be on TV downer about it.
I mean it's fine, Luisa, I mean not much you
can do about it now. And how old are you
in your forties? Thirties? Oh I wish I'm visualized. I'm
visualizing you.

Speaker 10 (01:14:16):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
It's a different thing. Okay, Now, well you've got buy
for seventy one years without seeing any things and you
haven't even know where.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
Yeah, no, I know it's even though ignorance is less.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Well, yeah, these poor people haunted by these messages, and
maybe that's when times when people can see something and
they close their eyes, they can see that sort of
someone at the gallows or something again, you know those
horror Maybe you get a lot of horror visions as
well when you're when you're not a fantasiac.

Speaker 14 (01:14:47):
It may be.

Speaker 19 (01:14:49):
I mean, yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 8 (01:14:52):
Yeah, I have to do some more research on us.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Back to Google. Thank you, Louise. If you else tell
us what If I say, close your eyes, what do
you see? Ring me up and let me know. If
I say close your eyes and imagine apple, tell me
if you see it or not? Marcus, I see a
grandy Smith apple with a stalk three D. If I wish,
what are they? Don You're a one. I can ever

(01:15:21):
work out if it's a one or a five. If
you can't set you're a one, perfectly realistic as real
as singing, perfectly realistic as realist singing. You're a one,
realistic and reasonably vivid. You're at two moderately realistic. You're
three dim and vague. You're a four. No image. I

(01:15:42):
only know I'm thinking of an apple. That's us, that's
me and Louise. Who else which else did we get
one before? I that Live Wire? She was in their seventies, two,
wasn't she? I think it was Patty. In the first
hour Marcus. Other presenters allowed their producers to speak on air.

(01:16:07):
It is said he made me feel a little uncomfortable,
especially with your reasons for not allowing this. It came
across that you may feel threatened and or above producers.
I hope I am wrong, as I absolutely love your
show and feel the show is such a success due
to the skills you both equally have. Regards Ann in
christ Church. I was trying to be humorous and Dan

(01:16:28):
is more than welcome to say as much as he wants.
But Dan is quite happy doing what he does, and
he's busy putting together podcasts and answering phones and doing
all sorts of stuff. Quite often when I'm talking to me,
he's on another phone called Anyway. He's very, very busy.
And Dan has no real desire to be on the air,

(01:16:50):
and he's saying correct in my ear. He's been on
air twice, once explaining how to get connected to Spark.
Why do we let them get the right we suppose
with every saying it. The other time was when what
happened to my whole studio? That was a power cut
I think, wasn't there. I had to go to a
payphone to phone it through because I was out of

(01:17:11):
charge on my phone. Yep, it'd be a very good
broadcaster if you want to talk about a fantasy. I'll
be fastinted to see what you've got to say about this.
And this is might have come as a surprise to
you that a lot of people can't visualize things. Yeah,

(01:17:35):
I'd like to explore it more because I have no doubt.
I'm not even I can't. You know, this has not
me being wacky for the sake of getting calls. Literally,
if I close my eyes and think out, I can't
see anything to peg it's an apple. There's nothing there,

(01:18:01):
nothing at all. But I've spent my whole life thinking
that most people people are like that, And when people
say they can actually see images, I've always dismissed them
as being slightly braggy. But you can't see a thing,
So I wonder if you're like that. I'd like to
talk to you about that. Eight hundred eighty ten nine

(01:18:23):
two to text a fantasia, Marcus. I love this topic
had to take some meds that I had a reaction
to and ended up with Charles Bonnet syndrome until the
drug went out of my system. Not nice. Look it up.
I had little figurines in my eyes, all in costumes,
running fast. When I opened my eyes they went away.
But when I closed them, Wow, Charles Bonnet syndrome. Closed

(01:18:49):
eye hallucinations. Goodness. They may seem real, but I created
in your mind. It's a great name. Who was Charles Bonnet?

(01:19:13):
It say who Charles Bonnet is? Doesn't saynthing about Charles Bonnet.
That's a shame. Get in touch for you called seventeen
past ten. I realize it's later than you probably think
it is. People go the daylight savings, but make the
effort about a Fantasia or Charlie whatever we want to
watch child. I'm more curious, though, who Charles Bonnett was

(01:19:37):
ah a naturalist and philosopher. I don't know if he
had Charles Bonnett syndrome. I presume he did. CBS if
you want the shorthand version for that, But do get
in touch of you want to be a part of

(01:19:57):
the show. Welcome Marcus the visualizing or not? Is it
the same in dreams. I never remember dreams or nightmares.
No Apple for me either. Lots of chatter though, great show, Jenna.
I have extremely vivid dreams. I have extraordinary dreams, so yeah,

(01:20:19):
and very vivid, extremely vivid. Hi, Marcus, I can't see anything.
I tried to see the app on the sheet, but
nothing but blackness. MAVs you and me both, Mave Marcus,

(01:20:40):
I see nothing. I'm late seventies, and thanks to you,
I realize I'm not perfect. Oh dear, by the way,
this is not that we've got to remove the value
from it. Seeing images is not necessarily advantage or a disadvantage.
I can promise you that it's just what it is. Now,
I've got this lovely text from someone that says, I

(01:21:01):
see nothing and have known that for years. I meditate
but can't do so when asked to visualize something. Yes,
I've always struggled with meditation, candle gazing, that sort of stuff.
This is the same text. I see nothing and have
known for years. I meditate but can't do so when
oster vision is something I can intellectualize how an apple looks,
but can't set my mind. I have great charity when

(01:21:23):
I dream. Now that's probably one of the nicest things
I've ever seen someone right that in their dreams they
have great charity. Well, the person sent me back the
text and says, what they mean is clarity for the
lovely thing the person and dreams giving things away, doing
this and becoming a better person. But no, it's clarity, Marcus.

(01:21:45):
Does this condition mean you can't dream either? No, As
I've said, I can dream extraordinary dreams. I could dream
for New Zealand and a lot of them. It was
last night to one of it. Oh, you know last night.
That's what last night's when were slightly traumatic? Theod be
the daylight savings that did that. I think I see

(01:22:10):
black when my eyes are closed. I have vivid dreams
that stare my mind all day. I always thought was
rubbish to visualize with shut eyes. Yes, so did I.
But those people are doing it, and there's most of
them visualize and can see stuff. Well, when you visualize
people down, can you see those people? If you know someone,
you can see them, they will face Wow, explained my portraiture.

(01:22:39):
Laureate's Marcus.

Speaker 7 (01:22:40):
Welcome here than Marcus, I'm not great on the visualizing.
I just get the black screen as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Oh, you're two or you're a four.

Speaker 7 (01:22:49):
But I think one of the best sort of stories
relating to that was, I mean Captain Scott's Northern Party,
this guy and the Commander Campbell, where the six guys
ended up living in the ice cave an express wal
Island with you know, very low on food. They winded

(01:23:10):
over there. Yeah, and they say the as far as
the guys, they they shared their fantasies or each man
experienced vivid, tantalizing dreams of food, banquets and feasts. They
shared their fantasies. You know, they told stories about them,
but they were jealous. There was a cruel twist because

(01:23:30):
one of them, only one of them, invariably, he managed
to eat his meal before he woke up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Oh wow, Yeah, it's oh wow. But he was normal normally,
were the dreams like that? You normally the one thing
that you know, you don't manage to get it. That's right,
isn't it?

Speaker 15 (01:23:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:23:48):
Yeah, But there was one of them, and they're extremely
jealous of this guy. Did you got to enjoy the feast?

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
It's funny. Where was this?

Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
Was there?

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Where was this?

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
This was the same year that you know, Scott went
in nineteen twelve he went to the pole, but his
northern party, which was up at caber Deer, they got marooned.
They never got back to the hut they were exploring,
and they had to winter over in an ice cave.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Oh yeah, I think what's that called the world's worst
journey or something?

Speaker 10 (01:24:19):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (01:24:20):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
No, the worst journey was that was the one where
they went out to looking for the penguinee.

Speaker 14 (01:24:27):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
That's a different one.

Speaker 7 (01:24:28):
Yeah, different one but the same same, same group basically.
But this was way up north here, and it was
a hell of a story as well, probably you know,
just fact that Scott died on his particular part where
these guys all survived and eventually got back, but that nearly.
I mean, they had a really miserable winter but still

(01:24:49):
managed to find the odd seal and uh and safters survive.

Speaker 11 (01:24:54):
But yeah, but it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Doesn't worry you. You could just visual because no one
else is. There's only been one of the visions that
admitted to being a dim visualizer. But you are that,
aren't you?

Speaker 20 (01:25:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:25:04):
Possibly?

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Did you only realize that tonight? Have you always known?

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
You?

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:25:09):
No, I hadn't given my sword, but tried to you know,
we've tried the apple thing and for his other things
that you're talking about it, and yeah, nothing was coming.
Was just a blank screend.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
I'd rather have nothing than what you have. That's I mean,
that's I'd rather have nothing than just the basics, sad
outline of an apple.

Speaker 7 (01:25:28):
It's not ornament, but it must be nice for to
be one of these guys. They actually tasted.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Nice. Thank you, Laurry twenty six past ten. Yeah, a
fantasy X. I don't see the apple as well. I've
listening to you. Thank you, Marcus. I can't see the
apple with my eyes closed, but my wife can. I
never thought about this until now. A very good topic,
Colin Marcus. It's daylight saving, not daylight savings. Can you

(01:25:59):
drop the s? Davy be just don't visualize it. Love
the s. Love this this more than our daylight savings.
Both are correct. Now it's kind of changed, I think, Marcus.
I have extremely vivid dreams also, and involved my late
parents and grandparents. They are a detailed conversation general. They

(01:26:20):
every pleasant. When I waken the morning, I feel reassured
that the spirits around me. I can't see the apple
with my eyes closed, Marcus. I've just traveled south from
north Shore through Auckland. Had three police cars coming flying
past me and get off at Green Lane. Just further south,
there were eight police cars coming north. Aren't sure what's
going on. Perhaps I'm listening as well. Explain thanks, Robert,

(01:26:43):
I've heard nothing, Robert. If anyone knows what's going on
Green Lane, it seems Marcus cure. Marcus. I found out
I had a fantasia a few years ago, and I
can see absolutely nothing when I close my eyes. I
do dream though. I joined a couple of a fantasi
groups online and there are a lot of people who

(01:27:05):
said that they can't remembered loved ones faces in detail,
especially those that have died. I think you have to
make the most of what you've got. It's still possible
to be creative and artistic if you have a fantasia.
I'm actually an arts psychotherapist yep nineteen to eleven. I

(01:27:33):
didn't know there was a support group. Is this support
group for those that do see see visions? There the
ones that need a support group or that clutter in
their mind. Good evening, Fayett's Marcus, Welcome, Hi Marcus, how
are you good for yourself?

Speaker 21 (01:27:50):
Pretty good?

Speaker 12 (01:27:51):
Yep.

Speaker 21 (01:27:53):
I've been trying to sell or give away of fruit.
It's a Fisher and Piple, and I've ran Salvation Army
several outlets and they do not want any more electrical equipment,
not even to give away to anybody else. It's a

(01:28:13):
really good fridge. It's a really nice one. But I'm
trying to downsize because how they passed away about two
years ago, and living on my own, I don't use
this great big fridge anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Is ree hard to know how to get rid of things?

Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:28:32):
Well I thought it would probably go pretty quickly, but
I thought the Salvation Army would have wanted it to
pass on to somebody. But no, they don't want it either.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
No things that were considered value. Now, did you hang on?
Did you get a new fridge? Fee?

Speaker 21 (01:28:48):
Yeah, I've got a new one. It's a much smaller one,
got from the trade depot. But I wanted one with
a little deep freeze on the top.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah, a fridge freezer easy to get too.

Speaker 21 (01:29:02):
So this other one's just a great, big, big fridge.
It's about five foot high.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
The reason I'm asking you, the reason I'm asking you
if you've got a new fridge. Is normally they'll take
the old one away.

Speaker 21 (01:29:16):
Yeah, no, no, this one. No, they don't use well,
the trade depot don't take anything away. But when I unpacked,
they bought it in and they do not want the
boxes back and they do not want the polystyrene that's
around the boxes. So the only place I've found that

(01:29:41):
will take the polystyrene is Megatin. They've got big thins
down at New Then and you can take your polystyrene
down there and dump it all in there, and that
all goes to make the fillings for the beanbags.

Speaker 11 (01:30:03):
Mhm.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
I didn't know what to do, what to do with
it yet you do with your old fridge?

Speaker 12 (01:30:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:30:12):
I'll cick it out the back door and no it's
it's a really good fridge.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
But it's going to cost you a hundred dollars. It's
going to cost you a hundred dollars to get rid
of it.

Speaker 21 (01:30:23):
Yeah, probably will, although I don't have cash, can doos.
I can't get it in macar it's too big.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
No, no one wants it. Cashi's wor one. I'd take
it to the tip. I'd take it to the shop
at the tip. I think they do stuff. That's your
best bet. Somebody else might have some suggestions how to
get rid of an old fridge or Facebook marketplace. People
like a beer fridge for the garage. That what they're
doing in those garages drinking sixteen to eleven. Good evening, Edith,

(01:30:52):
it's Marcus.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Welcome, Hi Markers.

Speaker 15 (01:30:56):
I just wanted to talk about a Fantasia's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 15 (01:31:01):
Yeah, I've got the opposite to what. I've actually looked
it up, and I think it's hyper Fantasia is the
one I've got.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Wow, go you what have you? What have you got?

Speaker 15 (01:31:12):
Yeah, I've just like you said, to close your eyes
and visualize apples. Yes, and I can see like I
can see yellow red apples, you know, Coper Crow and
Grannie Smith and then there's a bray Burn and the
and the free key thing about it is that I
can actually taste them. So I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 9 (01:31:36):
There, Edith.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Are you switching between them? But the Brave Bird and
the Grannie Smith are just blending from one and to
the other. What's happening? Are you sort of clicking through them?

Speaker 15 (01:31:47):
They're just different? Yeah, they're they're they're just just say
visualized and I can see the apples, but.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
You see what you see? One of the are you
seeing three? Well, one then the other?

Speaker 15 (01:31:57):
Yes, one after another. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
it's very Yeah, it's different. I've never heard of this,
so it's interesting and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
You probably never knew that you that no one else
had this.

Speaker 15 (01:32:11):
No, I've never used I've never heard of it or anything.
And it's interesting because I did look it up and
it said that it can be a good thing with
pros and cons like anything, but you know, for it's
it's not very good for like intrusive.

Speaker 11 (01:32:25):
Thoughts and stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:32:26):
I know, I'm laughing about it. It's not really funny,
but but you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Yeah, your thing. You can laugh. You can laugh about it.

Speaker 18 (01:32:32):
If you like.

Speaker 15 (01:32:33):
Yeah, let's laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
And you can taste the bray burn apple?

Speaker 15 (01:32:39):
Yes I can, Yes, I can.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
It says the vividness of mental image we can extend
beyond vision, affecting sound, smell, taste, and touch. Have you
got the auditory version? Can you hear if you see?
Can you does the bird tweet? Or anything?

Speaker 12 (01:32:56):
With what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
If you're imagining the bird? Can you hear the bird?
Tweeting again, I've got to think of it.

Speaker 12 (01:33:05):
I can hear it too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Is that the bird you were thinking of?

Speaker 15 (01:33:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Wow wow, yeah wow.

Speaker 15 (01:33:15):
And I'm so different and this is and this is
another thing edited to it because I do have like
complex PTSD as well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
I can imagine me Sorry, I don't say I can
imagine to belittle that, but I can imagine that that
those things could lead to other things.

Speaker 15 (01:33:32):
Yes, yes, you've got it. Yeah, and that's and I've
I've read about that as well, So it kind of
makes sense because it's so vivid, like the memory, so
that that could be pretty much a disadvantage, but hey,
it does what it is, You're just got to go
over them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Are you doing drawing or stuff? But so vivid? Can
you actually sit there and and like could you you
could draw a knockout brabourn? I would imagine.

Speaker 12 (01:33:59):
Like if I what what.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
If you visualize it so well, it must make that
kind of straightforward to draw.

Speaker 15 (01:34:07):
Yeah, but that's another thing.

Speaker 9 (01:34:09):
Someone is just drawing a go because.

Speaker 15 (01:34:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's not I'm not the best draw I
could I could do that, but I think and plus
I've had like E M D R therapy, so that's
a type of trauma therapy. And it's opened up a
lot of things in my brain. Yeah, connections and and
I could even like it's like I can do poetry
now I haven't actually written it out, but it's in
my brain. Yep, different poetry, and that's never happened in

(01:34:37):
my life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Seeing you, do you want to be good at? I mean,
do you want to draw? Because drawing is quite relaxing.
But I think drawing is just about practice. But if
you've got those that visual imagery anyway.

Speaker 15 (01:34:47):
Okay, okay, I might try and never know, never know,
Like I don't know what I'm thinking about Picasso.

Speaker 20 (01:34:54):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Yeah, visualize stuff like that. But that's amazing about the apples.

Speaker 15 (01:35:01):
Yeah yeah, No, I'm getting a bit hungry, but I was.
I'm okay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Nice to hear from you, Pith. Thank you. The fridge
the fridge. Tell her to put the fridge on Neighborly.
They have a free section. Most things go pretty quickly.

(01:35:25):
Put the fridge on Facebook, something will take it real quick.
I can't see apples. I'm like you, Marcus. I go
to see Pitch Black. I'm a musical and creative person.
Marcus I just heard you're talking about getting one of
an old fridge. Take things like that to a scrap
metal yard. They don't pay for anything, but they also

(01:35:46):
don't charge you. How do you get it there? Marcus?
A random question? Do your your lists know where to
take spray paint cans to dispose of? You can't put
them in rubbish bins or recycling. Evidently I have been
spray painting old furniture of the past few months. Have
quite a few of the many thanks and aunt, so

(01:36:09):
no idea a fantasia. One big downside is navigating from memory.
Lived in the same sea for fifty years, I never
noticed when I moved a couple of years back, I
kept turning down wrong streets and hitting off the wrong direction.
I now realized that I have to remember enough facts,
so turn right in the roundabouts does not cut it.
I turn right at the wrong round and I have

(01:36:29):
to remember third roundabout with the house with a woodly
drive way. Easy if you just visualize that right away.
I don't know if that's a fantasia, because a fantasia
as if you shut your eyes and what you can see.
By the way, as I'm saying this, who was that
from American Idol, the one A Fantasia remember who? Yeah,

(01:36:52):
a Fantasia, very good, very good singer. She might have
won a Fantasia one of my favorites, A Fantasia Barrino.
Did she win? Did she win? She was the third winner?
So Dan, this will be Clay Aitken? Was he the

(01:37:15):
remember we watched it? Then Rubens dot Nt finally that
we can remember the minute we don't remember Rubens dot
Ut post code? Then a fantastic was it Kelly Clarkner?
Was was it Kelly Clarkson? Now it was? It was
all about terrible, wasn't it? Okay, let's see American id
Or winners. I could visualize it. I'm joking. Dan's probably

(01:37:44):
counting them leaping a fence. Kelly Clarkson, Oh, season twenty two.
You thought you'd go season one first, wouldn't you.

Speaker 10 (01:38:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
That was the big one. That's where we got really involved.
Was it going to be Clay or was then Ruben Reuben? Fantasia?
Who did Kenny clarks Who did.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
Oh that?

Speaker 14 (01:38:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
I know?

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Anyway enough for me, I bore myself sometimes, I suppose
when favoring up it, when's visualizing a fridge area, Ah,
there's a fridge. Fridge coming in. Now there's an apple come.
But must be exhausting. So every time you hear something
you visualize it, then not every time you see it. Oh,
there's a fridge, there's an apple. I don't reckon. I'd

(01:38:39):
want to turn it off. It would be exhausting. I
find my thoughts exhausting enough. I'm please, I'm not, although
I am excited to see a fantasia linked to high
I Q there you go, not you old Laurie, whether
you whether you're dim outline interesting enough to the end,

(01:39:00):
was visualizing the woman with who dreams with great charity
giving away the fridges. Yeah, that's right. She actually meant
clarity of her or home. Actually a fantasia. I'll see
if I can remember who one news in and idle.

(01:39:23):
Yeah went bad quite quickly, didn't it. Someone says a
Nissan Cube would be required to move the fridge. Marcus,
I wish you'd asked the lady with a good working
fridge where she lived. Perhaps a food bank would collect
it as she's giving it away. I felt so much
empathy for her and hoping a fridge gets plenty more use,
not dumped at the tip. Or the food bank could

(01:39:47):
get a new fridge perhaps, But yes, it's pretty hard
because I think everyone came into a from a society
where you get married and then you get your fridge.
Because it costs about forty thousand dollars in a day's money.
I think these appliances are perhaps a lot cheaper than
they once were, so PEPs. They don't have the same
perceived value on the cost of transport, so damn expensive

(01:40:12):
as well. Here's a good text, Marcus, any idea how
to get rid of butcher knives? You're seeing a butcher's knife, Dan, Well,
there we go. Wouldn't handle with the rivets down the handle.
I have three generations of butcher's knives. Close your eyes,
and I'm worried about wrapping them and putting them in
the rubbish in case the rubbish people cut themselves where
they it's sort about the rubbish balling. I'd give them

(01:40:36):
to the s Venicia. Butcher's knives people would love those. Oh,
I don't put them in the bin. You really want
to get rid of your butcher's knives? Goodness? Yeah, on
Facebook people would love those on a Facebook page. The
surprising thing about a fantasia right, those people that can't
visualize anything. It's incredibly rare. It's just two to four

(01:40:59):
percent of people. For me, that's rare. It's like only
one and twenty one fIF twenty have it. That's what
we are talking about tonight. A fantasia Marcus. You know
when they do a TV poll and say, for instance,

(01:41:21):
that one million people watched a rugby game, how do
they know that kind of thing? Mac? Well, look, if
they know a million people watch a rugby game, that's
not a pole. That is a viewer surveys. And what
they do for TV viewing is they have people with
people meters on their TV. I presume they still have that.

(01:41:41):
They get a sample of people that have machines on
their TV that record how many people are watching a show,
and they're a randomized sample of a thousand people, and
they multiply it, so it's an approximation. Different if they've
got SKYTIV, because skydiv would have reaccurate figures. The free

(01:42:05):
fridge put an ad on the notice board at the
local supermarket. I often read those more often than not.
Of the local supermarket. Most of notices are about people
that are asking offering meth coaching. Well, offering to who
are these people offering to transfer old VHS video tapes

(01:42:33):
onto CDs or something for goodness sake? I thought, who
would want to do that? Marcus is the fridge Greenhouse
guess compliant? Everyone has an inefficient old fridge in the
garage for beer? Yep, I don't think the secondhand fridge.

(01:42:54):
I mean it should be it should be huge, because
they should be made well and easily fixed. But unfortunately
a lot of these things are throw away now and
you've got to pay to get rid of the fluids
inside them and stuff. The greenhouse guesses who wants to talk?
We talk about a fantasia. Here's what the test of
you've just joined us, because some of those people that
wake up at midnight will be waking up because of

(01:43:16):
daylight savings. If I ask you to close your eyes,
everyone close their eyes your eyes and imagine an apple.
Can you see an apple? Because some people see nothing.

(01:43:42):
Some people can see very clear apple and three degrees.
Some people can see an apple that's three degrees but
not that good with detail. Some people see an apple
but it's just in two degrees. Some people see an
apple but it's just a shape. And some people see nothing,
and they have a fantasia much misunderstood. It's not a disability,

(01:44:05):
I don't think. I think I don't even know what
it is, because for most of us we've never know
we've had it or not had it. So if that's true,
let's hear from you what your experience. Is that a
surprise to you that you can't see anything? Or are
you surprised that other people can't see anything? Because probably

(01:44:28):
what happens when people keep saying visualized stuff or like cat,
you know, when you're supposed to have there's meditation. Things
were supposed look at a gandle Some of us can't
some of the things. Going to the garage is too
far to go and get a beer. Fear enough, you do,
you do what you got to. By the way, I think, well,
if you're driving, change your clock now. It's terrible to

(01:44:48):
wait weeks before you change your clock for the right time.
I changed. Well, my child changed mind straight away, which
I find very freeing My car says the right time.
I love that. Also, how would you get rid of
a fridge? Who wants a fridge? On the getting rid
of a fridge, I'm just asking you if you get

(01:45:09):
a new fridge. You want to get rid of the
old fridge? Who do you call? I don't know who
wants fridges? These I'm not that's these days. You think
people want stuff, but it's you know, you can't offer
someone because that will actually want a new one to
moral hazard?

Speaker 7 (01:45:25):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
And goodness? Why shouldn't people have a new fridge? Hello, Terry,

Speaker 17 (01:45:36):
I'm much such a throw ring and say, I just
I don't say any I've been trying since you've been
talking about them.

Speaker 12 (01:45:43):
I just can't.

Speaker 17 (01:45:44):
I can't visualize it. So what does that make me
a wearo?

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
It means you're one of only two to four percent
of people in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Thing.

Speaker 17 (01:45:58):
See what else did I I don't know if this
is sorry, I'm just gonna apparently five percent of people don't.
I mean, some people love herbs and spices and all that,
like coriander, but apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
It's you're a super Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:46:13):
No, I can't know coriander. It tastes like soap to me, yes,
and and I just it's like yuck. Sorry. I just
found out the hard way when I went to give her.
I was at the Susar market and I was just buying,
so I thought I'll get some pesto, and I'd forgotten.
I said to the lady, Look, can I just rush
back and get some pestos?

Speaker 9 (01:46:30):
Said yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:46:31):
So then I just grabbed what I thought was just
ordinary without any you know stuff, And then I got
home and tasted it, and I nearly threw up because
it had coriander in it. And I just thought, oh,
like I fit on a bar of soap, like or
I just slowed the worst tasting perfume ever. So but
apparently it's about five percent of people who had that gene.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Yeah, so that's your and you're right, that is a
cilentro hate geene. That's a that's genetic.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:46:57):
Yes, I can't see apples and I don't like coriander.

Speaker 10 (01:47:01):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Well, but you know with this with the with the
you can't see apples thing, right, Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:47:07):
Are you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
I don't really I don't really want to know how.

Speaker 17 (01:47:12):
Old you are, but the sixties, in the sixties, yeah
yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
Does it now?

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Have things in the past come clear to you that
you never understood when people said to mentioned or visualized
close your eyes and visual I mean, do you do
you now? Are there conversations from your past that you
now understand more clearly because you realize most people can
see stuff when they're closing like counting sheep. Close your
eyes counting sheep. I always thought that was a crazy
but people actually do it and can see the sheep.

(01:47:41):
You will, I'm sorry, No, Well I can't do that,
so I can't see sheep. So I've never counted sheep.
You know, when I close my eyes to go to bed,
that's that's lights out, that's there's nothing going on. I'm
not visualizing, it's it's just dark.

Speaker 12 (01:47:57):
No, I know that's the way.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
That's me too.

Speaker 17 (01:48:00):
So you you're wanted the two percent as well.

Speaker 9 (01:48:02):
Well, I'm glad I'm not alone.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
But you know, and you know how you've got that
self chatter. Your talk goes on and on. Some people
don't have that either.

Speaker 17 (01:48:11):
What's the self chatter? What people talking to themselves?

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:48:15):
I work with a guy who does that. Well, he's
not we don't work together every day, but he sort
of matters the way. You know.

Speaker 18 (01:48:22):
It's cool.

Speaker 6 (01:48:24):
I't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
But what I mean, Terry, You know how you've got
your internal monologue and you're saying, oh, what about this?
What I do when I get home. Some people don't
have Some people don't have that, they just have their
mind is just silent the whole time.

Speaker 17 (01:48:38):
Yeah, oh on my mind. It's funny. My mind drifts,
you know, I sort of actually I lack concentration and
I think I always have and it's probably getting a
little worse. That's right, like listening to the radio, because
you can just listen, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Well, it's not it's not like it's line being visualized anything, is.

Speaker 9 (01:48:56):
It terry well, exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:49:02):
Normal.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Yay, Yeah, there we go. A fan Marcus paint the
pridge with a Fantaisier colored paint. Very good, Uh, Lois,
it's Marcus. Welcome and good evening.

Speaker 12 (01:49:15):
Hi Lois, I lois home high markets for Sorry, I
haven't spoken to you for a long time since last
winter and the rugby with them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Yes, yes, you are you the person that wasn't a
fan of Scott Robinson.

Speaker 12 (01:49:31):
That's him.

Speaker 6 (01:49:32):
You got it.

Speaker 12 (01:49:33):
You've got it, You got Marcus, you got it. And
I'm still not a.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Fan of He must have won you over by now.

Speaker 12 (01:49:43):
No bloody way, excuse me, no way, he hasn't, No way,
he hasn't. Any Any famous crusaders are not doing too
good at the moment either other.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Well, I don't follow it so much, but I thought
they'd come right.

Speaker 16 (01:49:59):
I won't.

Speaker 12 (01:50:00):
They won't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Who's the great who's the great coach?

Speaker 12 (01:50:06):
This is a great coach that the good coach just
died gris Wali.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Oh yeah, okay, you're right there.

Speaker 12 (01:50:12):
He came from he came from Crost. It would be
one of the best things rugby persons that's come out
across down there.

Speaker 6 (01:50:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:50:22):
No, no, but I've run it up because I just
turned the radio on it. I said, is that day
I was talking to win Okay, So I rung up
with Dan and I said, he said lose And I said,
last he still.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Want Do you want to talk about the Crusaders?

Speaker 12 (01:50:39):
What I said?

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
The Crusaders are sickened on the letter?

Speaker 12 (01:50:44):
Yeah, they get up there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Well you said they're no good.

Speaker 12 (01:50:47):
I still say they're no good. They can be sticking
on the letter at the beginning of the season, but
will they be sticking on the letter at the end
of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Fear enough? Fear enough?

Speaker 12 (01:50:58):
Okay, yeah, yeah, no, don't start me on rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
For gods, no, I will close the wind the or
black start. We've got France but to be French team,
that's terrible. That's at Forsyth Barn next on the fourth
of July. But that's you probably think they'll beat them. Well,
they'll finally beat Scott Robinson's crew, will they?

Speaker 12 (01:51:16):
No, Well no, because they give the All Blacks. You're
not going to look after the poor All Blecks, so
they'll give them an easy team first.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Yeah. Well they have Francis at the Beata. Well they can't.
I don't know if they can. I don't know if
they chose the Francis and the b team, but I
think France and the French are pretty good.

Speaker 12 (01:51:37):
And I suppose that buddy Scott Barrett he'll be he'll
be the key again. Yep, you like no, no, no,
because these heat mates with the Scott Robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Help your mates. You haven't progressed with your thinking much
in the year, have your lowest You're still you're still
got all the same stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:52:00):
Yeah, well well that's what I believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
No, fair enough, you're stuck with it because does he
know what is Scott?

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
Did they?

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Did they win any last year? The All Blacks? I
can't even remember.

Speaker 12 (01:52:11):
Yeah, they've got beaten a couple of times.

Speaker 7 (01:52:13):
Don't they exact?

Speaker 12 (01:52:14):
I think I don't beat them once, and I don't
know who else they won most of the games.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
What about you with a fantasia?

Speaker 12 (01:52:22):
Lois, Well, that's what I Will just said to Den
when I rung them up. He answered, I said, you
said you want to talk to Marcus. I said, you know,
he's using some foreign language. I said that I don't understand.
I don't understand.

Speaker 6 (01:52:36):
I see it.

Speaker 12 (01:52:37):
So he explained to me something phazed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
What is it a fantasia?

Speaker 12 (01:52:43):
Anything for fantasia?

Speaker 9 (01:52:45):
What?

Speaker 12 (01:52:45):
Apparently you and I got the same, according to Dean.
So when I closed my eyes, I can't see nobody apples.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
No, is it surprising? And most people can?

Speaker 12 (01:52:56):
Yeah, well I can't see.

Speaker 19 (01:52:57):
I just see black me too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Yeah, but now I wonder all those people all your
life as he close your eyes, and I mentioned this
and that, and well for most people it would work.
For us, it's quite different. Okay, we sound a good
spiritual coping well with daylight savings. By the sound of things,
Are you up? Are you up all night?

Speaker 12 (01:53:18):
I'm retired, so you know, it doesn't really matter what
time I go to bed and what time I get up.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
So now don't most retired people go to bed at
about six o'clock at night and get up about four
in the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
No, no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 12 (01:53:34):
I couldn't go to bed at six o'clock at I
go to bed about three o'clock in the morning. Really, yeah,
about three, anywhere between midnight and three o'clock in the morning,
I go to bed.

Speaker 11 (01:53:45):
What are you doing?

Speaker 14 (01:53:47):
You know?

Speaker 12 (01:53:47):
It depends what's on TV. What depends on what's on TV.
I can't get around like I used to, Marcus. I
want to walk and I get short of breast.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
There's not much on TV at two in the morning, though,
is there?

Speaker 12 (01:54:00):
Well, sometimes there is like that, well up until now,
up until now. No, you're right, there is not much
on TV at two o'clock in the morning now. But
up until now there's been cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Oh of course.

Speaker 12 (01:54:14):
See, so I've been watching all the cricket. Then I
watched what I watched the other night. I'll watch the
indoor basketball, and it's the only couple of I don't
watch golf. I don't like golf, probably because I don't
understand it. Golfer, that's about all.

Speaker 13 (01:54:33):
Really.

Speaker 12 (01:54:33):
I'll watch you the other sport.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Okay, Well, nice. It's really nice to hear from you again, Lais.
I really appreciate you calling because Pearl, you're looking forward
to your rugby. Predictions come under all black seasons, so
you stay in touch. Just hear the as I say, Apple,
just heard a helicopter outside, which is surprising. Nothing on
the otago risk your helicopter log. But you don't normally

(01:54:56):
hear a helicopter flying over in the cargo this time
of the night. Well that would be Marcus. No apple. However,
when I travel, I can visualize the roads I need
to travel, but with eyes open. Interesting cheers, Nicky, No

(01:55:16):
no apple here, Sometimes I can see bursts of bright,
swooning colors. I'm an artist. I've realized listening to your
reinteresting show that what I paint is re abstract. I
wonder if there's a correlation, and without realizing I'm painting
something like that, I see with my eyes shut, Marcus,
interesting subject tonight.

Speaker 14 (01:55:35):
I am like you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
I close my eyes and try to visualize the apple,
but all I see is blackness. It's not helped me
back at all. It's something I was born with and
it wouldn't be surprised me if it could be changed. Well, yeah,
I don't try and see something. I just know I can't.
I've never never known it's not there. Twenty nine to twelve, Hello, Berrio,

Speaker 20 (01:55:52):
OHI Marcus. Just a couple of little things. Actually, when
I shut my eyes, I can see apples. Normally it's
a Grannie Smith with a bit of Ruba yep. As well.
When I was young, you know, I had a job
going to sleep when I was saved, you know, four
to five. I spoke before I was going to school,

(01:56:13):
and my mother always told me, oh, I couldn't get
to sleep. Just count cheap because we lived on a farm.
You see it there, and I used to lie there
and count the sheep. They could see them jumping through
the fence.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Yeah, I think, well, I never realized that people could
see the sheep.

Speaker 20 (01:56:29):
Yeah, you can, definitely, and you don't. You probably only
can to about eighteen year asleep.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
Well I can't because I can't. Haven't got that facility.
But yeah, I realized now that people and you know,
I was.

Speaker 20 (01:56:40):
An apprentice builder, all right, and I got to be
quite a good builder. And I think it to be
a good building, you've got to visualize what you're building. Yep,
you can see it.

Speaker 9 (01:56:50):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:56:50):
I used to build cows sheds in varns and stuff
like that, but in the weekend for spare money. But
it used to be able to just do a rough
fan and visualize the thing and build it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Yeah. I think there's been visualizing and closing your eyes.
And you wouldn't be closed your eyes to do that, though,
would you.

Speaker 20 (01:57:08):
Yeah, basically you can you just see this building?

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
Yeah, okay, But you can still visualize stuff with your
eyes open and work out what's going to happen, though,
can't you.

Speaker 20 (01:57:17):
Yeah, I suppose you can.

Speaker 13 (01:57:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:57:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
And the North Island are on the South Island in
the north.

Speaker 20 (01:57:23):
Where they didn't put the clocks back. The other thing,
daylight saving, I hate.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
It, don't get me started. What a terrible thing.

Speaker 20 (01:57:30):
It begs up my bladder. Blader stops in the night
now eyighty five.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
I like it in the summer, not in the winter.

Speaker 20 (01:57:39):
Not in the winter now, I agree, it's not nice.
What's another fridge either?

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
They should just have it permanent. How many fridges you.

Speaker 7 (01:57:46):
Got, I've go to two.

Speaker 20 (01:57:48):
It's enough. Go to fridge freezer exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Counting that. As to ur as one.

Speaker 20 (01:57:54):
We've got no, No, that's one. And I go freezer
in the garage.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
What's it for?

Speaker 8 (01:58:02):
Just yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:58:03):
When I when I freeze stuff, you know, cook up
with the crop pott and put them and stuffering for
the winter.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
You still get given. You still get given farm stuff
like a start of hoggett and things.

Speaker 20 (01:58:15):
Oh yeah sometimes yeah, now we used to do that,
but I've been off the farm for a little while there. Yeah,
I'm getting it old now, eighty five soon April the nineteenth,
Jesus anything playing. Yeah, I've got all the family getting together.
We've got about seven great grandchildren a nine or something.

Speaker 9 (01:58:36):
So you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Do you know the great grandchildren's names?

Speaker 20 (01:58:41):
Oh names Mason, Kean you higher, Oh God help me, No,
that's a bit it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
The oldest Mason Kiana are higher.

Speaker 20 (01:58:57):
He is young. Yeah you were Bowden Mesha. Yeah, I'm
getting pretty good.

Speaker 14 (01:59:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Two other fellas they quite modern names, aren't they an They?

Speaker 20 (01:59:11):
Yeh oh yeah you could part Mary in one side,
but no, how about that. Good to have a mixture,
good to ever mixed.

Speaker 9 (01:59:20):
Ja.

Speaker 14 (01:59:21):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
We're changing as the country. Very nice to hear from you.
Twenty five to twelve. I thought he's going to say
the French freeze was two fridges. Oh here we go,
oh eight hundred and eighty to nine to nine to
the text A fantasia.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
What do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
You got a little bit of that? Love it, find
it fast and get in touch if you want to.
The other two kids were called we'll never find out,
will we one of fantasia has a fantasia. You're surprised.

(01:59:59):
I never had that asked you at school to imagine stuff.
I feel kind of quite neglected about that that there was,
It was never discussed. I think my life could have
been different. Not that I'm complaining about my life. I've
got to say, I think people have been very receptive
of a Fantasia. No one's been too negative or too
positive about it, or said that they're upset that something.

(02:00:21):
By the way, the Dow's on its way down again,
it's steady for while it's down four point sixty two percent,
dropped about five percent of the start of play. This
is the British shear market. That's well the indicator of
the British ear market. And that's what's happening today. You go,
it's all going about as well as you could imagine.

(02:00:45):
All go about as well as you can imagine, get
in touch if you want to talk. We are talking
about a fantasia. So what a fantasia is? If I say,
close your eyes and imagine an apple, most people would
see an apple at varying stages of clarity, from very

(02:01:05):
clear to not that clear, but still in three dimensions,
then not that clear in two dimensions, then probably just
the outline. And then there's some gifted people that can't
see anything at all, and they are the a fantasias.

(02:01:29):
And I wonder if you've just discovered that you were
one of those? Or where would you call yourself on
a scale of one to five? And I've given you
this scheme, where are you? Let me know? Ring me
up and I'll analyze it for you. People. If you
want to know what you are, after you give me
a call, I'll.

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
Tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
It's mine, your expert expert topic. So yes, it's called
mind blindness. Mind blindness is a phenomenon with individuals cannot
conjure a visual imagery. Imagine being asked to visualize a

(02:02:09):
serene beach with golden sands and as due or waters.
While many piol gapictus have seen vividly. Those within fantastes
see nothing. Ah, it's not in mere lack of imagination.
They possess the knowledge and can describe the beach, its elements,
and even the emotions it might have. The mental canvas
remains blank. One to three percent of the global population

(02:02:31):
experiences without even realizing it. Some discover their distinct perspective
only when a casual conversation reveals it too much. Daydreaming
or visualizing are just not metaphorical for others, that's me.
Some struggle to imagine tastes. So yes, the old blank

(02:02:55):
canvas are either blank canvas. Marcus just interested to know
how much to Bluffoyster just cost them? Bluff very expensive
and Aukland and how much would you pay for flat
white coffee lis So Bluff Oysters at the four square
and Bluff get this are forty two dollars a dozen.

(02:03:20):
But I don't know where they're from. I imagine they
might be opened and invert cargo and brought back down
to Bluff. Like there's no way you can't go get
them off the ships or anything like that. You've got it.
They've got to be processed, so you can't get them
in the shell. So yeah, I often feel that people
are coming down to Bluff to try some oysters, and
when I get them at the takeaways, I guess. But

(02:03:42):
it's not like some scene out of the Moby Deck
or the Nantucket said that none of Barrie's great grandchildren
are called Berry Marcus. I'm completely blank. No color imagery.
I never realized others sare images. I'm a one. Ask

(02:04:04):
my husband, he can see the apple and color and dimension.
I never knew this was a thing. We need to
talk about this for weeks because my partner asked me
what I could say, and I said nothing, and I can't.
I think she can actually actually was actually was a
I think it was a phone conversation. I didn't really
come back to discussing it. I meant to talk about

(02:04:25):
this weeks ago my former support group.

Speaker 1 (02:04:29):
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