Raewyn fractured spine (27 March 2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from Newstalks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Let's start off with the first from I accidentally bought
something on trade me today. Yeah, I haven't done that before.
That's just with those damn phones in your pocket. I'd
open the app and not closed. Did I come to
work and check on and trade me? Well, to be fair,
it said go to check out to finish purchasing. It
was only choose a shipping option that saved me from

(00:33):
buying something I had no interest in.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
What.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I've got a bad feedback too, So there we go.
I don't know because I have auto shut off with
my phone. I don't quite know what was happening there,
busy with my pockets on the farm or something. So
there you have it. Ext you purchase something now, I
don't know if you've done that with your phone. If
you excitly purchase something, I'm sure some of you that
would probably drink and purchase, you wouldn't know what you

(00:58):
brought on TEMU some mornings and stuff that ar O thing. Gee,
oh that's right. I've got a vague memory of that.
Looking quite good fun anyway. I think Homer Simpson was
a big fan of that. Wasn't he buying things at night? Anyway?
The other thing, just before I cut into the nuts
and bolts, the butts and nults, when did this is
a question for truck drivers. When on the road did

(01:22):
we start having trucks towing three containers? Is it a
new thing? I've never noticed it before. Is that because
of the length restriction being lifted or the weight restriction?
And I'm slowly seeing on the bluff road trucks carrying
dragging three containers one to three. I don't know what's

(01:45):
going on there, but they never used to so longer
and heavier. Someone will know it's a trucking type. Person'll
let me know what that's about. Yeah, I'm curious. Anyway, Hey,
I know that Darcy's talked about I need to mention it.
The Eden Park Stadium. It's so boring. All these people

(02:07):
come up with these fanciful ideas which are great, but
they need to get one across the line flip. I
don't know if people have been to Eton Park, but
it's just kind of so ordinary. And I realized for
Auckland that there's better things and more important things to plan,
like harbor crossings, and public transport. But when was the

(02:31):
last time, apart from the NFC loop, that the Aucklands
were excited about anything new. It's almost never. It's one
point seven million people. They should have something to be
excited about. But yeah, now they're gonna dogs breakfast and
they're going to continue along with that woeful stadium. It
used to be called Cabbage Tree Swamp and they built

(02:53):
a stadium there that they've just rigged and jury rigged
and fixed forever, and it's always been ordinary. However, driving
to work tonight, I thought, what's going on with Eden Park?
And I came to the realization actually that the problem

(03:19):
is not the stadium. I thought about all the times
I've been there, and there's been a number over the years,
to a variety of different events, and it's always been
kind of a lackluster experience, expensive chips, bad excess, bad site,

(03:42):
lang Yadia. But what I've decided is it's not the
stadium that it's at fault. It's the structure of sport
in this country. Yeah, and what makes great stadiums is

(04:03):
great teams and great sports with great local rivalry. We've
never had it. Oh we might have had it in
the days of NPC in the Shield in the eighties,
but since then, you know, for a while Super Rugby
was good and then the NPC got destrengthened, and you

(04:28):
never feel going to Edend Park. You're part of a
city where everyone's leaving their places and walking to this
great place to worship, sport, to play, to watch their
local team defend the great rival. It doesn't happen, could
never get sold out, so it's just a few thousand
people there in a giant stadium, bouncing around with no atmosphere.

(04:53):
So the problem, I think is that just we've got
the wrong sports. If you look at Melbourne and Sydney
and their local rivalries, I mean, none of their venues
really in Australia are sensational. Whither to Shark Park or
whether you go way out west Blue Bed. Is that
we're penwth player for you what it's called. Stadiums aren't fantastic,

(05:14):
but what is fantastic is the passion of the supporters
for those teams. Week after week they go there, are
going to Blue are you again? You know, on the
way walking to the stadium, they see their mates and
they go there and they love it. And that's the atmosphere.
The atmosphere comes from the people, and the reason edn
Park's got no atmospher is because they've got no games

(05:34):
that people are passionate about. That's the sad truth of
it all. Maybe it's going to work with Auckland FC,
but I don't know if that's to flash in the
pan or not. I guess in five years will no.
Probably they'll be carried along by the success of us
going to the Football World Cup in Canada, Mexico and
the United States. Hopefully that will do something and hopefully

(05:59):
that will continue to give that sport the position that
needs to the big city. And then you've got the
local rivalry with a Phoenix, so that could be a
good thing. But yeah, I just that's where I've come
to the conclusion. I don't think Eden Park's great for concerts,
and I don't think eden Park's got any great sports.

(06:22):
I don't like the idea of a stadium at the waterfront,
but I liked the idea of Walkland doing something new
that people would get excited about, because let's face it,
most people aren't transport geeks like me. They're excited about
that the rail loop. Most people want to see something
new and exciting, and it's normally around sports. So I

(06:42):
do feel for you people that were fizzing to get
this downtown sporting stadium. But yeah, when you looked at
it in hindsight, the proposal wasn't well enough resolved, and
it wasn't financially sustainable. The reason it wouldn't have been
financially sustainable is because there's not a team in that

(07:04):
city that fifty thousand people would turn up for every
second week or for every home game. And I think
that's likely to happen for a long long time. We've
just got the wrong kind of sports and we haven't
got those local events that people would get tribal and
go along. Don't know how it happens anyway, if you

(07:27):
want a comment, be nice to hear from your eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine to nine to
the text. But there's something and I still felt sketchy
with the counselors getting free tickets to pink. All that wreaked.
I don't know, it just reeks of a crisis of imagination. Well,

(07:49):
a city at one point million people, what have we
got with and you we've got a salt water swimming pool.
You can go down and swim in some sort of
fenced off area down by the violand that's it kind
of pretty much to get excited about. I don't know
what you want to say about that anyway, your comments please,
that's my am I wrong. Let me hear from you.

(08:12):
So when you look at the whole of the country,
all the stadiums are pretty lackluster because I've got the
sports to go with them. But you Eden Park once
every four years or once every twelve years for a
Rugby World Cup or a bleed as they will be exciting.
Rest of the time you bounce around, there's no one there.
You sit on the TV when the camera's scanned. I

(08:33):
saw those crowds at the cricket at Wellington Caketon, no
one there anyway. So I just, you know, I don't
want to get miserable about it because I just kind
of suspic suspected it was going to go that way,
and I wasn't that passionate about the downtown option, but
I know people were passionate. But yeah, I think though,

(08:55):
when it comes to it, it's really about we haven't
got a sport or a franchise in a sport where
the numbers would stack up for spending a lot of
money on a stage, because that's just not how we
do sport. Our sport is rugby, and we've got two tiers.
We've got the NPC whatever it's called, and then we've
got the Super Rugby and they kind of have cannibalized

(09:19):
each other and as a result, some care about one form,
some care about the other form, but most people care
about staying at home and Wachigan on the TV. So yes,
I'm not surprised, but I think with the counselors with
getting tickets and stuff, that was that was weird. Anyway,

(09:39):
if you've got a comment, if you want to start
the whole discussions, and I feel free to come in, oh,
eight hundred and eighty to eighty nine, two nine to
dedict if you miss the announcement they are going, I
don't know what they're going to do. Eden Park's gonna
continue to have money throwing at it, to continue to
be something that's kind of a bit bob each way. Yeah,

(10:02):
I mean, it doesn't feel like you're going to some
or inspiring stadium. It feels like you're going to what
you've always gone to and I don't know how many
concerts they can have a year, but there's always kind
of trouble about that, and then you've got to shut
up shop early because of the local residents. Anyway, Oh
eight hundred and eighty taty and nine two nine two
detects and the three container trucks. What's that about? By

(10:25):
the way, Eden Park will need millions for redevelopment. Didn't
we all do that a while back? For the Rugby
World Cup in twenty ten or something or twenty eight,
two thousand and eight. They spent millions there, but it
was a full gone conclusion. The councilors voted seventeen to
two to endorse a staged redevelopment of Eden Park, whereas

(10:52):
Mayor Brown said, the council's injecting a bit of oxygen
into Eden Park. The other plan was Tetuangaroa, which had
the fifty thousand stadium that could be scaled down to
twenty thous the smaller events. I'm sure Penny of you
would have loved that. But there's just nothing to be
excited about anyway. Text and calls mainly a cause of light.

(11:17):
Those now eighteen past eight oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty breaking news when it happens, there's something different.
You want to mention jumping there with that. Also if
your stadiumed out, wly king for your points and your
reaction mainly yeah, get in touch. I just check your texts. Also, people, Marcus,

(11:38):
you were so right when Tonga came to wakat Or
Stadium and the play with the legal of rugby. There's
real atmosphere, red flags and real passionate people. The best
I've seen for a long time, and that was two
years ago. Cheers David. Hi Marcus, it would be interesting,
extremely interesting to see who how the counselors who got
the Eden Park tickets voted, cheers Pete. Well only two

(11:59):
people voted against it, so yeah, they're all in. It's
amazing what a ticket to Pink will get you. Marcus.
No vision, no strategic thinking, just more of the same.
Central government should bide and park demolish it, tell off
the land for residential development and use the funds to

(12:21):
develop and new start of the art standing on the
waterfront adjacent to Spark Arena to create a sports and
entertainment setter close to the in Aucklands Transport Club. Go
look at Melbourne. That is vision love eden Park. I've
been to every major concert there has been an Eden Park, Coldplay,
Pink six sixty, bug of the Neighbors? What do they sing?

(12:46):
Do you know what? They're hitters? I'ld buger the neighbors.
But there you go. Anyway, get in touch, you want
to talk. My name's Marcus. Welcome nineteen past nine. And
what's with the three containers on the truck? Is that
a thing or the empty? Maybe they're empty and accidentally
bidding for stuff on trade? Have you done that? I mean,
fortunately I was saved by the check the fish shipping option,

(13:09):
and I don't quite know. I could have gone bad.
I bought it accidentally cheap as creepers. That's not an
explanation I'd want to do. We'll keep you updated with
the news around the world in the next while, the
next three hours, thirty five minutes, or however long that is. Yeah,
promise you that anyway. Oh gosh, I see there is

(13:34):
now news coming out about troubled in the Cargo Council,
the missing council boss, secret meetings, and two mystery letters.
Mystery surround the leave of absence of a council chief executive,
two letters and the presence of a top flight employment
lawyer at a secret council meeting, and developments that have

(13:54):
surprised literally no one. Just a text Marcus, I think
the bug of the neighbors is a swing band. Great
show chairs, Damon Adrian, thanks for hanging in there. It's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Hello Marcus. You're doing your great show, Marcus. I enjoy
listening to what you have to say. Marcus. I have
a couple of little questions and I won't buy you
and keep you time. Is Wayne Bound Wayne Brown part
of the rugby old boy network that still appears to
be going. And are the rugby unions strapped for cash?

(14:28):
Because quite frankly, I think they're not considering certain issues.
I'm sure where are all the cars going to park
that go to this wonderful stadium when it's up and running,
And I'm sure they'll make money out of it for
other other activities, But as far as the neighbors go,

(14:50):
I do feel sorry for them. And as I said,
where's all the parking going to go? Have they considered
these issues for their for their Eden Park upgrade? Well?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I don't think the capcity is going to be that
much bigger than it already been. I think they're just
talking about fifty thousand, which it's always had that capacity.
And I think the one good thing for Eden Park
now is at least the transport's a lot better with
the railway network going right past there.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
I agreed with that that that might well might well
be for sure, and I do think that the stadium
would be something wonderful. We're not competing with the South
Island because they've got one. I'm sure that at least
they can have out of town teams come and not

(15:42):
worry about the way.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
But the point I'm making is that we haven't got
any sports that provide any hype or that anyone really
wants to go and see in big amounts now apart
from an all Black Test, which is probably one a year,
So there's nothing people want. The problems not the stadiums.
The problems our lack of sports that are good in stadiums.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yes, yes, and you're quite right. There are certain games
that you can't play in the stadium that you could,
I suppose if you set them up. But I mean
with a game like soccer, how that's on the rise,
I don't know. Whether the rugby teams have had a downturn.
But you know, it's a hell of a lot of

(16:27):
money to be spending on something like that when you
could look at other things you know that or can
do need at the moment.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Just a big money pit. But yeah, there we go,
thank you. The council rejected a waterfront stadium proposal, citing
feasibility issues. Organ Council's thrown in pack a lifeline to
become the city's main stadium, but the private owners have
to magic up hundreds of millions of dollars to earn

(16:59):
the title. There we go, that's a situation. Counselors rejected
a second propose on the water and Key Park. The
decision leaves the privately owned Eden Park Trust little prospect
of funding its two point one vision for tractable of
three new grandstands and a vested in promenade costing hundreds
of millions of dollars. So it's just going to bubble along.

(17:22):
I would imagine I'll throw some money at it, it'll
get fixed a little bit, but it'll still be kind
of ordinary. But yeah, as I say, I don't think
in New Zealand, the problem is the stadiums. It's the
sport that provide the lifeblood and hype for those stadiums
eight twenty seven. Looking forward to your calls, Marcus, wife,
for God's sake, of counselors the right people to make
these psategic decisions. They are politicians, not business people. When

(17:46):
independent board of directors are similar to decide what is
the best location designed for the stadium? Marcus evening Marcus
with orcan rate pays excessively rated? Orcan over governed the
organ councilor and debt? Eden Park a superb stadium in
need of resurgent refurbishment after fifteen years a new stadium
would have been bonkers. Eden Park refurbish it, aren't they

(18:11):
just throwing good money after bad because it's probably too big,
because I mean it's never full much apart from when
concerts are there and then they're all on the field. Marcus,
our wildlife is dying from thirst. Just found a freshly
deceased hedgehog on the grass verge on my walk. I

(18:34):
think it's a funny old time for hedgehogs. I found
one the other day that was kind of not too good.
Wasn't quite sure the story of the hedgehogs. Are they
Are they just going into hibernation or something. I think
they might be kind of just burrowing down? Are they?
You never see them and you see a whole lot
suddenly altogether? Marcus, have you ever tried to get home

(18:56):
from Eden Park? I've been on the north shore. Bloody
nightmare takes forever unless you pay a fortune for taxi.
What were you seeing, Peter cold Play? Any news on
Liam Lawson? No, I'll watch and I'll read and I'll
look about that. We'll see what Christian Horn has got
to say. International cricket teams must laugh when playing at

(19:20):
Eden Park, not even a cricket ground. But none of
it seems particularly transparent or cleary, that does it? But
how long has it been? Fifty sixty seventy years? We've
just persevered with this thing. All the other cities, I mean,
Wellington's gone and got themselves in stadium, Hamilton's got themselves

(19:41):
in new stadium, Duneedan's got themselves in new stadium. Auckland
can't do anything. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Funny
enough people are criticizing Eden part for cricket. I think
probably cricket's the one sport it works well at certainly
we had those matches then when was it eighty eight
eighty seven? That was good? Then there were one day

(20:03):
World champ finals. Pete Marker, welcome, they got there.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
Markets decisions we made today by the counselors in the day.
There's only so much money around. The orphans they got,
they've got enough stadiums there. They won't have a small venue.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Just kick what they've got now.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
They've got Mount Smart, they've been the concerts that it
works fine. You know, it's got the the athletic track
there for running. They've got Albany and north Shore. They
just we just got to realize there's only so much
money around. Someone wants to spend money and build the
one down by the by the by the with these

(20:40):
victor arena as they up to the sporting people or
the people, the events people to put their hands in
the pocket. They really want it.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Not the taxpayers money.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
We can't afford that. They want to build a new How.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
How come all the other cities got new stadiums. Hamilton, Wellington,
christ Church, Dunedin, all of them have got brand new
stadiums on brand new sites. Aukland's got nothing, but William.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Had to do something and then christ.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Willing Why did Willington have to do something? They could
have updated athletic park.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
But they've got quite a good railway station. It's a
little bit different from Auckland. Now that Auckland's going to
get that that circle train underground thing going to be
easy to get there now eed and just getting better
before it gets worse. I think I think they're fair
enough to counsel make the decisions. Ain't you have to
rint of that? You know there's Auckland's and the ship
of money.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Easy with the language.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Oh, they are in trouble underground.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
You know, you know what I like?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
You know what I like about your call? Muh when
you called the city rail loop that circle train underground thing,
that's one of the best expressions I've heard.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Well, it's true, Auckland's in trouble with money. You're just
going to draw the pull the you can't keep on spinning.
And they got they've got enoughing in Auckland. Just keep
me out eating. That's the name venue and that's it,
and live with it, and so going on about it
all the time, get sick of it.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Did THEMS to you you're out of Auckland. You're sick
of them going at their stadiums, are you?

Speaker 9 (22:21):
Well?

Speaker 10 (22:21):
I think they've got enough.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
You know, at the end of the day, they won't
ask textplayers for fun money to it. There's nothing enough here.
The countries and crisis right there we kind of spend.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Is it in crisis now? Maybe it is?

Speaker 6 (22:33):
OK, it's in crisis. They can They got the same
as well into their waterworks and stuff. They've got to
build a tunnel before they're spending my money on Flaming Stadium.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
We've got a Pete double play. Thanks Pete Peter number two,
you'll call you Peter, Peter ats Marcus, Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 11 (22:49):
Yeah, the decisions that I'm ringing you from Hamlet and
macas the bet decision today with a full gone conclusive.

Speaker 12 (22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (23:01):
I had a friend ragging me up a week ago
and we were talking here. But it's the same here.
My opinion is those councilors have voted, well, it wouldn't
be cost of the other one was gonna wouldn't have
cost the raid players nothing. The reason this has been
voted by by ten to twelve, twelve to two. These

(23:26):
councilors get free kickbase free tickets to these events.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Certainly some of the councilors went to pink.

Speaker 11 (23:36):
And yeah, it's the same here the Hammelton. I follow
when when we built the new stadium here, there's a
certain counselor with anti it. We had an open day.
I followed him. Hi, lovely venue. Lovely revenues are So
I pulled him up and I said, you're a hypocrite

(23:59):
and he goes why. I said, you didn't want it?
I said the reason I think.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think someone could be opposed to a stadium but
still think it's a good stadium. I don't necessarily know
that hypocrisy. It could. Yeah, I'm okay about that.

Speaker 11 (24:15):
I believe it's say kicknaks.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
You can't. You can't say that because are you saying
that counselor was bribed?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
You would.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
You can't lead that. I mean, I know the Awknard councilors,
some of them tickets to think. I don't know what
it was. It was it Mark Bunting.

Speaker 11 (24:37):
Well I'm not saying though, No it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Mark Bunting, a fine broadcaster, okay, before he's the only
one I know. Yeah, do you come up? Do you
come up to Eden Park at all Yeah, I do.

Speaker 11 (24:51):
I came up there. Yeah, over prized all black games. Yeah,
but look at it. Yeah, in eighty seven that was
a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Just have a look.

Speaker 11 (25:06):
They've had two there since, all right, and there's another
one this weekend up there and he we'll see how
many correct people go. They don't go to it.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, I agree. It was eighty seven. We got knocked
out in the Semis with Pakistan. There was a batsman.
Come on, who was it?

Speaker 11 (25:27):
Gee?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
He was pretty lit it up.

Speaker 11 (25:29):
Yeah, it was in Tamala, huck.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
That's right, first time out there. Beautiful. Wow, Yeah, okay,
nice to talk. By the way, this would be but
to you Dan, Eden Park is having hot wheels, monster trucks,
live glowing fire. To me, that would be about where
entertainment's go on sports out now it's kids toys and

(25:53):
a giant version of them. Are we doing? Talk back
night that night people and go, oh my goodness. I'll
tell you what. It was amazing. We will at a wristband.
They glowed. It was fantastic. I never thought it'd be
any good. It was one of the best things I've
ever seen. Twenty one away from nine Minamus, Marcus, welcome
here on midnight tonight, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

(26:15):
I don't know, yeah, because how much do they spent
they hit. I've got a bad feeling about Eden Park
because once I went a job for a job there
with one of the catering companies, Panda Catering. Needed some
money part time. Turned up, the boss never showed I thought, gee,
that's poor. Never been to a job or if you
were a guy, never showed up. It's kind of put

(26:40):
me off at a bit. Anyway, get in touch if
you want to talk. Here till twelve. By the way,
there's troubling point Chevalier. Several Auckland homeowners have received infringement
noticed ask him to lower the height of their front
fences by just under half a meter, so down from
one point eight to one point four meters. So they've

(27:01):
changed the rules of fences. I think that's a good thing.
I hate all these houses with high fears. It's terrible.
How does nip used to have fences? Way when sort
Suddy fenced themselves in? Marcus welcome here, going to Marcus here, welcome.

Speaker 13 (27:21):
Hey, listen, why don't I'm quite all in? Haven't got
a rugby team even they came. He wouldn't rugby. We
don't have a new stadium. I mean, I'm from Tanterbury.
We're going to have a lovely new stadium. And their
teams put the game up, have they?

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (27:38):
Carsades picked we came up this year. The Blues a
gone downhill and mahem, and they can't get a stadium.
Have going to fold your stadium if we hit one.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Well, you guys won't fill your stadium for long. Of
course we were all, no, you won't the time times
got out with rugby. Your team's not free. Good it is.

Speaker 13 (27:59):
It's up at the moment, better than last year.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, but last year was last year was woeful.

Speaker 13 (28:05):
Yea last two markers they.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, But Auckland has got other things to do, like
they've got you know, you know that well, I don't
know what, but but I don't think that's anything to
brag about. I think that's sad that you're so provincial.

(28:35):
Most people have moved beyond this sort of regional regionalism.
You know, die for your rugby team. Most people realize
there's bigger fish to fry.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Here. They have.

Speaker 13 (28:48):
May laugh. I'm doing so laugh, but there's a whole
need to go over.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
There's a whole world out there.

Speaker 13 (28:55):
Yeah I know that, but Canary comes fierce in the
whole country.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
But why have you been to Auckland? I mean, this
is ridiculous. This is like a nineteen fifties mentality.

Speaker 13 (29:09):
I don't think so we just went, you know, But
that's not I.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Mean to say, you're one eye. There's nothing to break about.

Speaker 13 (29:18):
We have eye pictures one.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
That's not something to be proud about. That's sad. Don't
you think.

Speaker 13 (29:27):
I'm going to go making your laugh.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
You're not making me laugh. You're making me feel sad,
sad and forlorn cheapers. And that's what I'm saying. Once again,
Here we go once again. So what if Auckland Council
got tickets to pink She's the first woman headliner Eden

(29:51):
Park and it happened on International Women's Day? Would there
be another woman that the headlinered? Eden Park? Because Adele
was mount smart, wasn't she? He didn't park on another
nice place for the speedway with a greyhound track inside.
It not just a place for rugby and cricket with

(30:13):
declining spectators. The way all cold to support sports A
couple of deck chees around a fire pit would be
hard to fill. Brilliant here we go. So basically, counsels

(30:37):
made the decision to support eden Park and they've told
the eden Park Trust to go to central government, to
our central government for more money to do what they
need to do. This is after all the extensions they
did for the World Cup, the last World Cup we
had here, when they did some kind of stuff in
a piecemeal way. Shiny, it's Marcus. This is Marcus. Welcome
and good evening, Marcus. How are you kill a shiny good?

(31:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
I just got on the truck to come bring some
dinner bag from my lady and I said that guy
heat from down Canterbury talking about Contemprian's the place to
again live and blah blah blah. I mean, what planet
that guy needs to come out and smell his gardens?

Speaker 3 (31:23):
You what planet he's on.

Speaker 7 (31:26):
I know exactly what planet is on. We I used
to live down and christ Church and yeah, he's probably
one of the guys that when we walked in the
run order pup looking at me, going oh, he's an alien.
And that's how it was picking the eighties and we

(31:46):
walked in and everyone stopped looking at us, and we thought, oh,
do we stink or something?

Speaker 14 (31:51):
You know?

Speaker 7 (31:52):
And I served in the military, and that that's what
I was saying. But we came down here to do
a job, and then half of our military guys played
for Canterbury. But those guys down there that treated us
like for aliens from another planet, we knew exactly who
they were. And now now thirty five, nearly thirty five

(32:15):
years later, you still got one talking on your radio.
Oh my god, I mean, I feel sorry for his grandchildren.
That's what I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I don't follow it that closely, but I thought that
I thought the Crusaders were a terrible team currently, Isn't
it right? Didn't they come? Bottom line? Are they doing
all right this year?

Speaker 15 (32:34):
Are they?

Speaker 16 (32:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (32:36):
That's not there.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
It's just that he was he was brought up, said
the Kent tangement, which they were back in at the
bat until Auckland came down back in the eighties. I
can fucking remember, and we won the game down there
or was great. But no matter what he's saying, is
he's gonna mindset saying that not Canterbury's is good at this?

(32:58):
Is they forget half the teamer from Auckland and reject
from waking.

Speaker 15 (33:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean it's said that.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
He's like, because ah you like you said, you need
to get out and smell your gardens and and and
have a look at the team to see who's behind
the scenes.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
What's the missus get for dinner?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (33:24):
Nice ti restaurant just open up on the menu roads
he always orders it and on the runner. Now we
got Yeah, Tommy, i'msup to you. You are beautiful. It's
not a it's a good risking to go to to.
We will sat down, but it's not it's not big
enough to you know, it gets too crowded. But we
normally do takeaways and take it home.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
And it's beautiful, shiny. How long has it been open?
Is it quite a recent one?

Speaker 7 (33:51):
Yeah, it's just been opened while I'd say no more
than six months. Oh yeah, Roger, beautiful place.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Nice to hear from your shiny like that a lot.
I mean, maybe what's the sad thing that is, that's
what's going to happen, is that Jade's gonna is it
called Jaden? I keep thinking that's the wrong thing. Then
stadium chrosties just going to open what do I keep
calling it? Jade? Is it called the new stadium? CHROSTI
is going to open and they realize that the whole
rugby trucks s left, that no one much is turning
up for matches, and they should have not built a

(34:20):
rugby stand. They should have built a concert stadium that
could actually hold rugby matches. But and deep down I
got a text that's quite antagonistic. But deep down I
do think that probably Eden Park was the right option.
But I know so many people are so passionate about
the waterfront stadium. They want like a Sydney opera house.

(34:42):
They want something iconic on the waterfront. And what have
they got on the waterfront? Nothing iconic. They've got that
bridge that won't work. I mean, it's pretty leck luster
the Auckland waterfront when all you know, they go down
and look at the souper yachts and wander around once
in a while, get Je Lata over. Apart from that,

(35:02):
not much. It's no Bluff Now that's a waterfront. Couldn't
work out what happened in Bluff today. So I'm I
was watching Formula One with me younger boy. He's into
the show. And the pilot boat came in towing two lifeboats,

(35:23):
like the big ones that come off the ship. I
don't know if it was a drill gone wrong or
what it was. I've never seen I've never seen a
pilot boat towing lifeboats, those big ones that come down
the street off the container ships. I don't know what
was going on, if the fisherman, if the seamen had

(35:44):
tried to take off, or quite what it was. Anyway,
Matt Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 15 (35:51):
Gooday Marcus, tell you good.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
Thanks, Matt cool hey n.

Speaker 15 (35:55):
I just wanted to I think back up your last
corner corner about the older grumpy cantab bet your head on.
I think just want to highlight a lot of people
out there that the type of mentality is. It's quite
common and small towns like all around the world, and

(36:18):
it's like pretty well known, like this kind of closed
mindsets mentality, and yeah, so it's just something to kind
of shine a light on and realize, Hey, there is
a bigger world out there, mate, and like I feel
like people need to realize. I'm sure you obviously know
about it, but yeah, once you've kind of been out

(36:40):
of your own town and traveled the world and seen
lots of different perspectives and cultures. You understand what it's
all about it and you start to understand life a
bit better rather than just being locked into your like
you know, small town where I was born as the
greatest place on earth.

Speaker 10 (36:57):
It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I guess people just thought of the last ten years
that christ has changed so much that their attitude's kind
of gone now. But it seems as though it's still
got the last best in of it still kicking along.

Speaker 15 (37:13):
I think it is actually still around a bit, to
be honest. I mean, like I've yeah, I'm I'm from Auckland,
so like when when I, like, you know, I do
travel around New Zealand a fat and unfortunately, like you know,
I kind of just say, oh, you know, I'm from
the north shall of Auckland, and I'm like, I'm rereasily
open and honest about it. And then I get that,

(37:36):
particularly with the old generation, just gotta get.

Speaker 17 (37:38):
The old old eye roll, and.

Speaker 15 (37:40):
I'm like, what the what does that mean? But you
know what, why are you reacting like this? Like I'm
a New Zealander, I work hard to feed my family,
I pay my taxes by you like, so, it's just
this unbelievable. I don't know it is still around unfortunately.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Yeahs at least in you.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
He was one eyed Matt, but thank you for that.
Just three away from nine?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Westpac Stadium? Isn't that new? Twenty five years old?

Speaker 18 (38:11):
Now?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Wow, hard to believe, so, I said, Matt, sounds like
a north Shore No at all. They do ten that way,
the north Shore people. You can tell them not much
get in touch. A couple of deck chairs around a fire.
But now that's funny. That is funny. New Zealand rugby
was built on provincial loyalty. It was, but it's also

(38:33):
dyed because of provincial loyalty because in the end people
didn't care that much. They found other things to do.
They opened up the malls on the weekend. People decided
to buy each other's houses and go shopping, get the haircut.
So yeah, it all changed a little bit anyway, Marcus.

(38:54):
We can't say that was bribery, but there must be
a different term, my opinion, will be built an eighty
k venue between Auckland and Waikatol with fast rail, huge
catchm with input from Harpo. To me, it's a pipe
dream hoping two. The kiwis from Stuart under the top,
chucking in Koha. But what the point I'm trying to

(39:15):
formulate and kind of make. I'm not strong on coming
up with great statements or definitions because that freaks people out.
But I just think in New Zealand, the days of
stadiums being full by supporters of teams are no longer there.

(39:37):
No one's going to turn up for an NPC match.
It's dead. They've killed it. They took the stars out
of it, they took the all backs out of it.
People don't care. The Ranfilly Shie all got ruined. So
the only stuff really is we've got his Test matches
don't happen that often, and if it's not a World
Cup like the French. I saw these tickets to Forsyth

(40:00):
Bar for the French team, but they're sitting down a
second rate team. I said to the Kidsture, we go,
but I don't think we will because they're not sending
their best team. So it's back to this vexed question
of stadiums and the bottomless money pit that is Eden Park,

(40:21):
that so much money is spent on and it never
seems to be fit for purpose, but it makes you
wonder what its purpose is and that's what no one's defining.
It looks to me like we're looking at a stadium
that would be fit for the nineteen fifties when people

(40:44):
would travel by training to see the spring Box Tour.
Did they come in the fifties probably, But New Zeita
now is not like that. When you look at other
countries where the England with their EPL, you know you've
got a huge national football competition with even local derbies

(41:05):
in London and Manchester and well Liverpool's close to Manchester
PSI and all those places. So you know, you look
at Australia, they've got the ARL or the AFL and
the NRL. You've got the Rugby Rugby League in Queensland,
New South Wales and you've got the Ossie Rules in

(41:29):
Victoria and South Australia and Western Australia. It's huge in
Perth and Freemant. You've got the two teams there. In America,
you've got your baseball and you've got your American Football
and you've got your basketball and all those particular sporting competitions.
That's the best level of the sport apart from the Olympics.

(41:54):
It's the all the World Cup every four years, but
it's the absolute pinnacle. U Zid hasn't got there. We've
got rugby that no one turns up for anymore, but
we're building those stadiums as though people are going to
turn up for it. So no one's had the guts
to say, hey, we haven't got a society that can

(42:17):
support those sorts of venues because we haven't got those
sorts of sports. Whether it will change, I can't see
rugby changing because it went professional. They need the money
and to get the money, they need to be playing
international tests and that don't happen very often. So yeah,
I just don't. I just think it's quite complicated. But

(42:37):
we are building solutions to problems that don't exist. As
far as concerts go, Eden parks not great for concerts,
and I would imagine your bands, what are the great
bands of the moment the weekend or I don't know

(42:59):
what the ones people want to go and see, but
I imagine for the bands and for the specter, doing
five nights that Spark would be better than two nights
at Eden Park. Everyone would be happy. It would be
a better experience for all, it wouldn't be weather dependent
like when they had Elton John at Mount Smart during

(43:22):
the anniversary flood. So yeah, it just I kind of
the spear that we're throwing good money at this and
now we'll throw more money at Eden Park for something
that's the residents don't like it. I don't think the
bands like it that much. No one seems to like
it really. The concession, the food's terrible. It seems to
be unloved to run by some sort of committee that's
some sort of quango. And yeah, anyway, that's my take

(43:45):
on it. What should have they done today? I don't know.
It would have been really nice if a private of course,
everyone says everyone so broke, if there was some sort
of scenario set up, maybe involving the EWE with some
of their land, that could set something up a venue
that would support twenty thousand people covered concert and events

(44:10):
and maybe sell the land, leading Park to fund that. Anyway,
if you've got comments on that, I find it reinteresting.
But yeah, I would like to hear your onput as well.
But I think it's been a long long time since
Eden Park really had in the atmosphere because it hasn't
had great events. But I went to the opening of
the World Cup when was that two thousand and eight.

(44:31):
New Zealand played Tonga and that was good, but it
wasn't nearly as exciting as going to Yero Stadium and
taran Eki to see Russia versus America, and that was
an exciting thing because it was the whole of New
Plymouth seemed to be there, and the same World Cup. Anyway,
if you want to comment on that, that's kind of

(44:52):
And what about that guy that rung up that was
the one who would be proud to say they're a
one eyed Cantabrian in twenty twenty five. Oh, I like
the idea of a new stadium situated between Auckland and Hamilton,

(45:14):
plenty of land, two major populations and rail access. Marcus
coldplay with sensational Eden Park a great venue for big
contents and sports. Also went to the Osmonds fifty years
ago there and that was great too. Marcus, you are
fixated on adult sporting field events. A stadium is much

(45:38):
more than that, attracting big musical acts, providing a space
for children's events and all their forms. Well, hang on,
I think that happens in Eden Park. The aucland decision
to upgrade end Park will forever be regarded as the
wrong one. Yes, I agree. Did Billy Graham go to
Eden Park? Where are the religious speakers? That'd be good

(45:59):
if we get them out again? They's a full of stadium.
Rugby in the world is in serious to Kay the
cause was the instigation of a World Cup. Only five
or so nations are really likely to win it, while
the elite structure is such that millions of dollars are
spent in pursuit of doubtful glory. Meantime, we build glorious

(46:19):
daia for participants and they provide an iesore until the
next Cup and four years of waiting. Cheers John, I agree.
I don't often use this expression. I agree one hundred percent.
Who I don't like people telling me I'm fixated by

(46:49):
the way Eden Park was being reconstructed when Billy Graham came.
He went to carl Or Park. Oh, Marcus us in
rugby was ruined when the administration treated En Foster how
they did. People don't forget David Ah get in touch

(47:19):
by Nam's Marcus. You want to talk? Evandale Racecourse is
looking for a new purpose. Trains run close. What should
they do with Evan now race course?

Speaker 8 (47:28):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (47:28):
If you want to comment on Eden par they're going
to throw more money and I don't know why. I
don't know what it's purposes. They can't do any concerts.
The residents don't like it. It's not great for sport
because there's no sports that people really want to go to,
and that sort of numbers and every time you look
at an event there there's about four thousand people and
it looks kind of without atmosphere anyway, And what about

(47:52):
those one eyed Cantabrians? Is that still a thing? How
do we feel about that? But getting touching on a
partaker the show. My name is Marcus. Welcome HDDLE twelve.
I've got some emails, Marcus. I've just looked up the

(48:14):
website for the new christ Church Stadium, one New Zealand Stadium.
The venue apparently has been designing constructed for contents and
functions as well as sport matches. I don't live in
christ Church, but if a stadium can be called a
national stadium without being in Wellington, then maybe christ Churches
would fit the bill. It will be more accessible to
a substantial number of people living outside Aalkland Leeden Park.

(48:36):
A large taxpayer contributions already been made to christ Chich Stadium,
so no need to put any taxpayer money into Eden Park.
Get in touch if you want to comment on that.
But also to have we got the sporting spectacles to
justify a big stadium, because I don't know the last

(48:57):
time when was the last time forsythe bar was full,
the last time the cachton was full. I know Hamilton's
got a good team about the right side for a city,
or the last time Eden Park was full, not counting
concerts sixteen past nine nine sixty. There's something if you
want to talk about to excitently buying things on trade
me we've all done that well, I certainly have almost

(49:20):
And why trucks can now carry three containers MICUs summon Christchich,
we're building a thirty five thousand steet stadium at huge
cost and burden to ratepayer. I agree. We don't attend
sports and huge numbers anymore, and bands that can fill
a stadium are becoming fewer and fewer, exactly like that's

(49:42):
what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Let's face it, Rugby,
if you do want to watch. It's better on the TV.
Maybe that's the thing. The TV coverage has become so good.
Much better stay at home anyway, nine seventeen markets. It's Marcus. Hello,

(50:07):
good evening, Okay Marcus.

Speaker 19 (50:09):
If you built Takaha one New Zealand Stadium in Auckland,
you build it a Colindale Park out between Werrie and
the airport on that open piece of land there, and
it'd be an amazing thirty five thousand seat covered stadium Auckland.
But the Maurice of Auckland would scream that it was
not big enough, it was too small for this and

(50:31):
too small for that. Yet it would be the perfect size.
Christ Church is showing the way. Actually, have they bit
the bullet and did it properly? Dunedin did what they've done.
It's going to stand for a long time. I know
it's going through the white elephant stage and it may
be in that stage for quite some time, but it

(50:53):
will be hopefully be an asset to that community over
time as the community grows. But christ Church is growing,
that's the most.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Chach is an amazing city and on its way to
becoming New Zealand premier city. In a lot of ways,
I think, But I just I did follow it at
Bait quite closely, quite closely for that christ Stadium, yep, and.

Speaker 19 (51:20):
It was it was contentious, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, The more seats and then they decided to make
it more a rugby stadium where you could do concerts
as opposed to what I think they should do, where
they should have built it for concerts but also where
you could play rugby, because that's where the future is
going to be in those big events concerts. That's my take.

Speaker 19 (51:40):
Yeah, Well, given the given the shift and the entertainment
dollar whereby, people have been pointing out all evening on
some markets about the cost that it was to go
see the Kentucky whiskey guy Stableton up to five hundred
dollars in Auckland. But when you think about that a

(52:01):
five hundred dollar in New Zealand ticket as a two
hundred and fifty dollars American ticket, the artist wouldn't want
to come here for anything sort of less than that
in any respects. You know, you're discounting himself probably be
coming here the option to come and do what you're
describing in terms of maximizing that discounted revenue by enhancing

(52:24):
the size of the space is an interesting proposition. I
don't know if I completely agree with it, Marcus. I
sort of think the city's in a state of growth,
and these stadiums are torn up, torn down, put up
and torn down within a twenty five years lifespan, and
so many cities around the world, and we seem to
be focused on there's ben over one hundred years with

(52:47):
eden bar.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
So you think you think eating parks wrong? To put
more money into.

Speaker 19 (52:52):
That, completely wrong. It's foolish, absolutely falsd and it has
been for since the hypodome was proposed to Manichau in
ninety ninety.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
And I kind of feel for the Aucklander's because you know,
and I see myself passes in Aucklander. But they've got
nothing to get excited about. It's just it's just drudgery.

Speaker 19 (53:11):
It's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, when they had something good, something you know, when
are they thought lead to do something really good that
we can get excited it doesn't happen.

Speaker 19 (53:19):
Well, you're getting overengineered CRL that's cost ten years and you're.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Other wouldn't you rather it was over engineered?

Speaker 19 (53:28):
No, it supposed it was practical and done on time,
will be.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Done on seeing the video. I can't wait. I can't wait.

Speaker 19 (53:39):
You're going to be in it for five minutes as
you trained it through it. So much for standing here
and admiring the architecture of half an hour and walking
around here.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Look how much people love Bridamard and that little spectacul
looked like the inside of electric razor. You haven't been there,
have your market?

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I have.

Speaker 19 (53:54):
I've actually been there a number of times.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Okay, I didn't know you win a train hater twenty
one past nine, Marcus till twelve.

Speaker 7 (54:01):
What have you got?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Marcus? These stadiums are
the agenda of a few people in ten on spending
other people's money for their own gains.

Speaker 11 (54:13):
Jeers.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
I don't think it even parks for anyone's gains. I
just think it's an expensive proposition to have, oh, Marcus.
In nineteen seventy one, we went to Maya's Music Bole, Melbourne,
stunning purpose built venue hold a two hundred thousand people
for the seekers. E were he were a means but

(54:34):
thank you. I love the seekers what ah we were
in awe Thanks Noel one eyed Canterbury purses that were
all the pirates settled. Marcus, you're contradicting yourself mentioning how
amazing is Australian fans are so supportive of their respective
sporting codes and support them. You're getting stuck into one

(54:57):
eyed cantabs kind regards. Christine traveled the world extensively, but
still a one eyed can. How could you say you're
a one eyed can? Tap Eden Park was there long
before many of the residents, so I just stopped complaining
or move on. I would say that the residents were
there first. I mean, most of those villas look one

(55:18):
hundred and fifty, one hundred and twenty years old, don't they. Anyhow,
I don't know what year Eden Park was open. Ooh oh,
eight hundred and eighty nineteen hundred. There you go, Cabbage

(55:40):
Tree Swamp. If there's something different you want to know.
It looks like the Ausies might be going to the
polls on May three. Should have been May the fourth,
would have made that much more exciting. Get in touch
here till twelve o'clock tonight. Oh, by the way, here
we go something completely different topic wise today right in

(56:08):
history in eighteen eighty three, two English Salvation Army officers
landed at Port Charmers to set up the New Zealand
branch of the Salvation Army. You were out there involved
with the Salvation Army. You don't hear much about them

(56:28):
at all. They've been here long enough, almost one hundred
and fifty years. Won't even sure how many people. If
it's a religion or faith, it's growing or not. But yeah,
if you are, if you are a Salvation Army person,
one of the Army, let's be hearing from you. They

(56:50):
stay out of the news, don't they. You hear nothing
about them. They would be one of the country's quietest religions. Marcus,
I think the decision on Eden Park was blinking and
one we will regret. Look at this article about Totong accounts.

(57:11):
Explains a lot of what is wrong with local democracy
and he's even out of touch with rate payers. Me
and Mahi Drysdale has been roasted. Over half a million
spent on six hundred and three coffees a day for staff.
I looked at that article a number of times. Right,
it looked like cheap coffee to me? Are they getting
a barista? End the coffee they're ging? It all for

(57:33):
one hundred grand a year. I mean that's modern management.
You get the staff on side, give them a cup
of coffee and the scheme of things. It's probably not
big money with some of the other items and totngs Council,
but yeah, limitless lattes. They love alliteration, don't they. Council

(57:58):
except a five year contract for coffee mission and coffee
at four hundred and seventy thousand, which means it's ninety
grand a year, which gets you a barista as well.
I think I can't quite work out how that works.
Good email from Meredith Himarchus really disappointed about throwing more
cash at Eden Park. It is a whole.

Speaker 12 (58:21):
I was a.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Stadium volunteer during the twenty eleven World Cup. The facilities
were awful, huge cues for dark, dirty toilets, overpriced and
revolting food outlets. The scaffolding extension was dangerous and many
visitors refused to go to their seats or couldn't as

(58:44):
it was too steep and scary. Many who came down
to purchase drinks and food were unable to climb the
slippery ramps to get back to their seats. They were
not impressed. Eden Park is a mausoleum and Aukland has
deserved something fresh and new to be proud of. This
is lipstick on a pig. And what the salient point

(59:12):
is is that no matter how much money they throw
at it, it never gets any better. It just has
got no unified vision. The sightlines and a lot of
those places I'm thinking about the southwest and the northeast
place are kind of not good at all. It's just

(59:33):
not a good thing. But I don't know what the
solution is because I really don't know where the money
flows and who the tenants need to be to pay
for it, because, as I say, we're not that sort
of sporting country anymore. Person poisoned by toxic algai near
Ashburton swimming an infected Canterbury lake. Oh wow, of course

(59:59):
lake Hood. That's a worry. That's that flash lake next
to that housing subdivision. Oh god. The person was exposed
to the bacteria before the warning was issued. Symptoms might
not appear for quite some time until after contact with
the water. I went, I never would have swum there. Man,

(01:00:20):
that looks sketchy. To buy that lake at Pegasus. Avoid Avoid,
Avoid if something's gone weird there. I think with a lake,
you can't just make a lake. If you make a lake,
you fake the lake. And Mahi and the coffees beautiful.
Get in touch. Oh, Bruce, it's Marcus. Good evening. Welcome

(01:00:49):
high Bruce, Brian, welcome.

Speaker 10 (01:00:57):
Thank you him. You want to talk about the Celebration Army?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I do because are you one?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Oh God, thank you have.

Speaker 10 (01:01:06):
Been have been all my have been all my life.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Wow? What are you called?

Speaker 10 (01:01:11):
And I'm getting on of it now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
You said, what do I call you? Bruce?

Speaker 10 (01:01:15):
Are you you just I'm just a member of the
of the church, okay, playing the band and singing them
in the music group and things like that.

Speaker 13 (01:01:29):
So do I I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I don't call you a Salvation army, yes or anything
like that. You're just you just say you go to
the Salvation Army. That is it how you describe your faith.

Speaker 10 (01:01:40):
In New Zealand, we call ourselves Salvationists.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:44):
In Australia they call them salvos.

Speaker 17 (01:01:47):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
So that's got more of a.

Speaker 10 (01:01:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's just the sort.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
That's the for you. They go to sow those they
got to sow thos.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
But it started it did start at starting in Dunedin
and on the first of April eighteen eighty three. Actually
I remember attending this at these jenerary in Dunedin and
ninety eight three yep. And the place where they where
they first started is still there, the fountain down in

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the old Exchange in Dunedin. Ye, there's a park. There's
a plarque there that commemorates the first service that or
the outdoor service that was held.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Did they always do outdoor services in the beginning.

Speaker 10 (01:02:35):
Well, no, no, they had a they had all meetings
as well, but the Army started off as a as
a evangelical church, so they got out to the tried
to get out to the people as much as they could,
and we still did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
We still do that in some places and what formed
and that finally you do it, Bruce, because I haven't
really come across yet.

Speaker 10 (01:03:03):
We used to do street meetings on Sundays and Friday night.
When I was a young fellow, we did a Friday
night service in the Octagon in Donneda and and we
do one on Sunday at different places.

Speaker 7 (01:03:15):
All over Duneedon.

Speaker 10 (01:03:17):
But you don't you don't get that so much.

Speaker 7 (01:03:19):
Now because.

Speaker 10 (01:03:21):
Well, council rules make it very difficult to take a
brass band out into an area at half past nine
on a Sunday morning.

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
Yeah, okay, fair enough, they get complaint.

Speaker 10 (01:03:32):
They get complaints. But first and foremost, it's still a
it's still a church. But but the there's the Salvation
Army has a huge social social work as well, food banks,
alcohol and drug rehabilitation, mergency housing, counseling. So it's it's

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the whole, the spiritual side of things and also the
the social wealthare side of people's lives as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
And the numbers are still good.

Speaker 10 (01:04:13):
M I don't think you'd find very many churches that
tell you the numbers have stayed where they were in
the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, but were still I
think we're still doing a relevant job in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Really nice to hear from you, Bruce. Thanks for corning.
I do appreciate that and enjoy your anniversary. Patrick. This
is Marcus. Good evening and welcome.

Speaker 18 (01:04:39):
Good evening, Marcus. How use that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Good Thank you? Patrick?

Speaker 13 (01:04:44):
So you used to work or.

Speaker 18 (01:04:45):
You applied for a job of pandicatering, Yes, you all.
I work with pandicating as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
They must have turned up for your interview, and I
can't even remember what it must have been. It must
have been about nineteen eighty eight, I would have thought.

Speaker 18 (01:05:00):
I think it was maybe a little bit later than that.
I didn't get to the country and or nineteen ninety four,
so it must have been. But the people you would
have might have seen would have been gray or move
or shy, and they ran that place within ah, they

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just ran it outstandingly. I mean, there's never ever any
problems in that kitchen, really really strict but fair. So yeah,
there's never any problems in that kitchen, it's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Have you got any I used to working. I used
to work in Eton Park.

Speaker 18 (01:05:43):
I'm like a casual so I go, you know, to
big events and I fit the double header for the
for the cricket the lady sent for the guys and
so that was I mean, it was big and they
had a big, big weekend and everything got managed and

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then got done.

Speaker 15 (01:06:06):
So I don't know why people are saying it needs another.

Speaker 18 (01:06:10):
Stadium, which is just it's just rubbish. I need another stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
I think we just need a different one. Patrick. But
thank you Steve Marcus, welcome well that's Steve's evening.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
There you get Yeah, good first on call. Sorry, yeah
you're doing well. Yeah as a going down south, Yeah good.
Beautiful paradise dry, very dry, yeah, real dry, real dry
up here too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
We were used to.

Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
I'm on the white kiddo, but you know, I get
around of it and it's just dry everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Yes, when's the great? Are you a farmer?

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
I work in the farming industry, but I'm not a farmer,
but you know i'll pick up milk.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
You know, when is the when does the grass start
growing again?

Speaker 20 (01:06:59):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:06:59):
Well, the LEAs has just started turning tonight, like I
noticed it today. They're just a little bit of rediness here,
just just just turning. But you know, I reckon, two
weeks we're going to be in autumn. I reckon. It's
it's a little bit quick, but you know, it has
such a long summer up. But what what I wrung
you Margarets to talk about was the stadium. And I

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generally think that what they're doing is the right thing.
You know, we've already got a stadium we have. You know,
it's already set up. Jenny doesn't like it, but you
know it's there and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Jenny have a bad experience there.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
Well, she had some complaints, didn't she she didn't like it.
But you know, what are you going to do? Build
a massive stadium, massive amount of money. I generally don't
think that that's that's that's the way for I don't
you know, like we've got something, we've got infrastructure, we've
got everything there. Why not just let them do it?

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You know, make it better? You know, build better, build
you know, make something you know that we can all
we can all enjoy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I think we'll leave it there. Steve on not what
I our high dB, It's Marcus.

Speaker 17 (01:08:21):
Welcome, helloing on my traveling bag. I have a blue shield, which,
for those in the know, heads me out as being
the parent of officer of the Salvation Army.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Hang on.

Speaker 17 (01:08:42):
What I said? One of my children is an officer
of the Salvation Army. Wow and his wife, so they
have equal rank?

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
You both think, So you have a shield on your bag? Yes,
love a secret I love, Hang I love a secret code.
This is this has made my made my year.

Speaker 17 (01:09:06):
It's a secret code. And so as you know so
much fis used to as the red shield.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
The parent.

Speaker 17 (01:09:17):
Yeah, so you have the red red shield appeals.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Oh yes, of course, yes.

Speaker 17 (01:09:23):
And the Red Shield Scout units, which I used to
be a member of one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
He is that, well, if you parent of the Salvation
Army have their own special Scouts?

Speaker 17 (01:09:36):
Yeah, did they have their own special Scouts? They had
their own troops of which anybody was They sponsored them,
if I think would be the best way to put
it all, held them in one of their churches. I
can call them at church.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
They called.

Speaker 17 (01:09:57):
So because my son is a graduate of Booth College
up in Upperhead, I got to I was presented with
a blue sealed badge, which again secret society. No, that
means I'm the parent of a of an officer.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Goodness amongst us. So if you're traveling, if people come
up and say things to you.

Speaker 17 (01:10:27):
Not one person has ever seen anything, but I do
care it with pride. I mean, I am my family
is designated even become surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
So you weren't brought up in the army yourself?

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Were you not a Salvo?

Speaker 14 (01:10:50):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:10:51):
So I was brought up Presbyterian. Make's wife and three
of my children are very deep into the Salvation Army.
And you know they look at their father ex husband
with great disdain but that's right, each of their own.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Well, it's nic it's nice carry it's nice to carry
the badge. I think that's quite touching.

Speaker 17 (01:11:14):
Absolutely well, I'm proud of him and I'm proud of
his wife, and't ye know. They do great work and
it's insight into New Zealand that most people would never
believe existed because they get to see the far end
of the economic area that even with the parents don't

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pick up on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
And that's always, that's always. I mean they were abstainers
and temperance preachers for a long time went they I
mean the.

Speaker 17 (01:11:46):
Absolutely yeah, and that's still yeah. There's no drinking in
any of my children's homes. It's just not allowed. Yeah,
and it's not unusual for them to throw their father
out from being drunk.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Can you not show them your badge for community? Hang on?

Speaker 17 (01:12:06):
No, I respect there there, and they respect what's left
of me. But they're they do actual good work and
I can't say that's for them really, but they're under
under praised and overworked. And yeah, they'll go around the

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various pubs of a Friday and Saturday night you know
with their collection jar Oh, they still do that people. Yeah,
And people still feel better giving to the Sallies, and
they do to almost any other. Think of a word past.

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I'm too much pain tonight to be able to think straight.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Sorry, I'm not happy to hear that.

Speaker 17 (01:12:59):
That's just life.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:13:02):
No, charity is the word of trying to pull out
of what system?

Speaker 14 (01:13:06):
Head?

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
Yeah, no, they do.

Speaker 17 (01:13:09):
You've got a feeling that the money you give them
will go to your community.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Because I'm thinking I used to see them probably in UK.
I haven't seen them there for a long long time.
You would see them going around, but not not for decades.
I didn't realize. I didn't realize they hung out and Upperhart.

Speaker 17 (01:13:30):
Although the booth Collins is ahead. That's the advantage to
n Okay. And then yeah, they are then distributed around
New Zealand. My son is on a second location. Now,
he's good five years and I'm not going to give
you here for reasons. No, fine, I think it's right,

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But he's just moved. They get five years to comments
to an area and then they move on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
And here's a job beside that, or that's his full
time job.

Speaker 17 (01:14:04):
That's his full time and his wife. So, like I said,
and it's I keep forgetting shears of equal rank to him,
as Effort is equally qualified, and they do split the
ministerial work between the two of them because it's a

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big job. And I was when he started explaining it
to me. I was amazed just how much work they
do in the community that they support.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Love you to hear from a dB I've got to run,
but thank you so much for that. I enjoyed that immensely.
Just breaking us. Chris Midland Formula one reporter has just
tweeted Syuki Sonoda will race for Red Bull from the
Japanese Grand Prix onwards, replacing Liam Lawson, who returns to
the racing bulls Us just threw five from ten dot

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ats Marcus.

Speaker 8 (01:14:55):
Good evening, Yes, good evening.

Speaker 20 (01:15:00):
I'd like to sort of talk about the Solution Army.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 20 (01:15:05):
I'm seventy five and I've attended the Salvation Army since
i was four.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
And over the years.

Speaker 20 (01:15:14):
It's I mean, it is a church and it's we're
quite dedicated really when you think about other churches. I
actually belong to our Annuis and Christ Church, which is
a very small church and it's in a part of
town that there's a lot of need you know, the

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people don't cope very well on that. And our church
is open basically twenty four well every day except Saturday.
We have an op shop and where people can come
and talk to you know, get people coming in if

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they've got problems and talking to the people that are
in the op shop. And they're all done by volunteers
and most of our most of our congregation our elderly.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
On a.

Speaker 20 (01:16:16):
Wednesday, we have a like a drop in center where
people come and get free pies and coffee and tea
and chat and we also have a food bank that day.
On the on the Thursday, we have a woman's group
that they can come in and join with us and

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have a coffee and a chit chat. And on Friday
they have a class for teaching them marry and also
have a food bank. And then on Sunday we have
our ordinary service.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
And it sounds like every busy retirement for you, Dot.

Speaker 20 (01:17:03):
I'm retired, being retired just about it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Sounds like you'll be flat out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:17:09):
But yes, years ago we had a lot of social work.
I've worked in two children's homes, of course, and in
which I loved.

Speaker 11 (01:17:21):
I worked there for.

Speaker 20 (01:17:22):
Five years, which was hard going because you didn't get
paid much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Hey, Dot, look, I thank you for calling. I'm just
having to go to the news, but I really appreciate
you calling and sorry to cut you off short, but
I'm right up against it. But thank you so much.
Ten oh seven welcome seven past ten email just from
thanks Chris, marcause I just saw the update on us
and held a website. I feel tremendously sad for Liam
and I'm sure he will rise above this for the better.
All the best lim going forward. I'm an old school

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as a Kiwi, We've always had the mindset of giving
someone a fear go, as my late dad would say,
a fair suck of the saev. Liam Lawson hasn't really
got that at this point. Cheers from Chris. We are
talking Eden Park more money into that goodness me and

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Salvation Army the anniversary of their start in New Zealand.
Be good to hear that people out there are still
doing good work in it unconditionally. So yes, thank you
for that, Marcus. I remember as the kid the seventies,

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the Sally's Band coming round. They at Christmas on the
back of a truck playing Christmas Carobls. Wouldn't be allowed
now was quite special. Oh here's a nice story.

Speaker 11 (01:18:41):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Read the Salvation Army. I was one of the many
babies born in the Salvation Army Bethany unwed mother homes
in Glennons and Auckland. Think all these homes have closed
down now, Yeah, I know a little bit about the
beath the homes. What I did something at one of

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the Bethany homes. And I'm not fully sure how they
ran or how history has looked on those. I think
they were a fairly unjudgmental type of a thing. Were
they I don't know that though. I think they were
for parents that were going to keep hold of their babies.

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Were they?

Speaker 19 (01:19:28):
Is it right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
I don't know, but some of them be interested in
stories about that. But yes, and I think probably in
in Vcago, I know people we've got a big Salvation
Army home. Well, I think it's since been earthquake, but
they certainly had cared for a lot of people there
and I don't know where they've gone, but it's got
quite a big presence in the South the Salvation Army.

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Well certainly see them around collecting and I think doing
soup kitchens and stuff. South of a pen with six
nil terryots Marcus, thanks for calling in good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Hello.

Speaker 21 (01:20:03):
Did you say Terry with a T or Kerrie with
a cake?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
You are you with a T?

Speaker 21 (01:20:09):
I'm with a k?

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Hi, Carrie, Yeah, high Carey with a k. It's you.
I've just got your written down as Terry, but that
will be it. You're the only one there, so Hi Carrey.

Speaker 21 (01:20:16):
Welcome, Welcome, Marca, thank you, Salvation army. Let me tell
you a story. I was born in nineteen seventy My
parents separated by the time I was five nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 7 (01:20:32):
My mother was.

Speaker 21 (01:20:35):
Obviously divorced or separated at that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
Time, and.

Speaker 21 (01:20:39):
We went into a state housing situation and on our
first Christmas, she had three children under five. On our
first Christmas, I can remember it to this day.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
I don't know it.

Speaker 21 (01:20:53):
There must have been a few days leading up to Christmas.
There was a knock on the door, and which we
were living in a sort of a like a you know,
it has incorporation area, which I think that really caught
areas actually as long as everyone respeaks thy neighbors. And
there were these two lovely people. I was around about

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five years of age and they were wearing a black
uniform strips of red and a cap, and they had
with them a Christmas hamper. And I can never remember
like being so much an awe looking at these two
lovely people in this beautiful uniform and handing my mother
this little fox of good ease. And that's my memory

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of their Salvation Army. And when I get the chance
to have some free time, maybe when I retire, I
shall be volunteering for the Salvation Army. And I'm not
too sure, but I think they might have a Christian background.
But I'm not too sure about that, but they certainly
seem to have the same heart.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Oh yeah, I think there's no doubt they are Christian. Yeah,
but yeah, I don't. I don't even know much about
the history of them because it's it's not something clearly
they were around before eighteen eighty three, because it's when
they came to New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (01:22:15):
So yeah, yeah, when I was over in England and
I got to know a lady who was my age,
but her far they had a very strong history in
the Salvation Army. So we don't really But the fact
that one thing I've learn about them recently is in

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the need and they have purchased a significant chase of
you know, an area of the central city, a building
that a building that was not being used, and they've
purchased it and renovated it and converted it into accommodation

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for those that are in need. And I think, wow,
you know that's exactly what they're all about.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
I love this so much.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Nice to hear from you, Karen for a moving story.
Thank you. Thirteen past ten Glenis Marcus Welcome.

Speaker 14 (01:23:14):
Hi. Marcus Karents got married in forty seven. I I
was born in Bethany in Grayland and Surrey Crescent in
nineteen forty nine. Lived in Montington Street till I was
two years old, So being in unmarried, my mother was married.
Maybe they didn't couldn't find a hospital to have me,

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so they had Mum had me at Bethany.

Speaker 9 (01:23:37):
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
I don't know why that would have been.

Speaker 14 (01:23:40):
Well, it's the first time I've known that in my
whole life. I'm sure my mother was married because she
married my father in forty seven and had me in
forty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Maybe she wasn't married.

Speaker 14 (01:23:51):
I don't know that. The first time I knew of it.
They both did so I can't ask them now I check.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
The birthdaths and record. Maybe you don't want to know.

Speaker 14 (01:24:00):
Yeah, because I grew up on Montington Street, left there
when I was two ands and Dryden Street, Bethany, and
it's pulled down now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
I think it became an old people's home after that.

Speaker 14 (01:24:15):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I think it became an old people's home after that
or something. Am I right?

Speaker 14 (01:24:20):
No, it's an apartment between Yeah, it's an apartment yeah. Yeah,
but it still brings back memories to me, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
I want? Yeah, I wonder what that. You have to
check the records on that one. I can't really explain that.

Speaker 14 (01:24:37):
I've got my mother's birth certificate, marriage certificate, marriage in
forty of five men and had me in forty nine
at Bethany, So I don't know what they were doing
in those days.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
We'll find out, thank you. Fourteen past ten texts nine
two nine two if you do want to text. Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Sally's had the Bethany Mattuny
homes and even ted aged care homes. William Booth was
the founder. That's what it's called Bee's House. Marcus the

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speaking of Auckland Stadiums. On the very night March twenty seven,
ninety ninety three, Paul McCartney played Western Springs. I was there,
very close to him in the front few rows. Incredible concert.
I think Western Springs a deal for concerts, Eaton Park
for cricket and rugby mounts smart for the Warriors. Not
to mention indoor Vector Arena for it's a content plus
north Harded Stadium plus the Upland domain for free events
in Christmas shows. While on Earth does Eating Park need

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more money for development? Save the money for much more
important like the harbour crossing the bridge or the tunnel
Stephen christ Church. By the way, our new stadium is
great for the city. Only teeny wee problem it is
in the wrong damn place. The new gym pool development
of Morehouse Air should be where the stadium is and
vice versa. I can see clearly every event of the

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new stadium there will be a bottleneck of people checking
choky little streets that surround it and no parking because
we have to walk for miles.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
I don't have a problem with the lack of parking.
I mean people can get organized and get there. People
can just do that anyway, ten Nels south over Penwrith.
My name is Marcus. Welcome. We're talking Eden Park and
stadiums and Salvation Army and Liam Lawson. It's been confirmed
after two races he's down to the feeder team. I

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don't know how much money changes hands for him, but
you might want to talk about that also eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and known to the text. Curious
to know how people's lives have been touched by the
Salvation Army, because wow, it's something I've never talked about.

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I have had only a very tangential relationship to the
Salvation Army. Don't really know a lot about them, but
would be curious to hear you might have been at
those Bethany homes all so, I don't quite know how
they worked. I don't fully know much about maternity in

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the seventies and the sixties. Anyway, Yeah, maybe I want
to talk about that. I mean when I say I
don't really know what the function of the homes where

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I presume it was to provide care for them, but
you'd have to be there under your own free will.
I presume maybe someone has some more information about that. Marcus,
I was born in Bethany Hospital in Papa Nui christ

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Church which was the Salvation Army maternity hospital. My mother
was married when I was born. I was born because
it was where her specialists worked out of. That was
fifty three nineteen fifty three. It did later become an
aged care home which has been demolished now Pollianna and
christ Church Marcus Bethany Hospitals were birthing hospitals. They took

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both married and unmarried mothers. I am sure Lynn Marcus,
I had my daughter Bethley and christ Church seventy eight.
I was married. GPS were able to deliver their rooms
separate to the single Mother's wing closed the early eighties Marcus.

(01:28:47):
We ended up in orcland my mother only had four
dollars to a name. We went to the People's Palace,
Salvation Army Place, Railton Hotel, Queen Street. Oh he's an
interesting text. Oh he's two interesting texts. I used to
drink in the bell Bird and re were fifty years ago.

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That must be Monday and on a Friday night the
Sally guy would come in with his wooden bucket container,
gray haired guy friend and everyone respect him and gave
it was a rough pub, but he was always safe.
The bell Bird, well, he wouldn't be a great pub
if you robbed the Salvation Army guy, would you, Marcus?

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Today is the forty eighth anniversary of the Tenerief Airport disaster,
the worst aviation exit of all time. Tuesdayeven, four sevens
collided on a fog clouded runway and five hundred and
eighty three people were killed. It's extraordinary, isn't it. Elliott's
Marcus good evening. Hi, Hi Ellie. Hello, Yeah, Marcus head welcome. Yeah,

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got beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Jen.

Speaker 16 (01:30:02):
I was just saying that I was born in Fosteen
the early ninety and it was a single mum and
they organized my adoption as well.

Speaker 12 (01:30:10):
Okay, they were still going and.

Speaker 16 (01:30:14):
Yeah that was an Aukland in.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
The early ninety Okay, but not everyone that This question
might sound indelicate, but not all mothers there had to
give up the babies. The choice was for them, is
that right?

Speaker 8 (01:30:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:30:27):
So I think of all this, so I know they
were all pretty much young, quite young mothers, but I
was the only baby that was adopted out was there
at the time, and other muns will kept their babies,
particularly in the nineties.

Speaker 7 (01:30:43):
I think it was becoming more.

Speaker 16 (01:30:44):
Common to keep them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
And what was the actual I mean, I presume some
of them were quite young to the mothers and they
couldn't look after themselves. Is that what it was about?
Or I don't fully understand what their what what their
role was because your mother was well I don't know
if you call it your mother, but that she was
there for quite a while before you were born. Is
that right? We probably don't know. So they go and

(01:31:06):
I know, really well, my best man, oh, okay, cool,
do you go?

Speaker 16 (01:31:10):
And she went in I think about seven months altho've
actually been there to see the building, but she went in.
I think it when I was about it was just
like sighted when I was seven months pregnant, and they
helped her at the end of her pregnancy, and then
she took me back there after I was born. I
wasn't born there as one the hospital by that stay

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at the center, and then she took me back there,
and yeah, they did everything, but they did like the adoption,
like I've got photos of the day my birth mum
and my adoptive family, and they did all the photos
at the center and everything.

Speaker 7 (01:31:46):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
So she would be living there for the two months
before you were born.

Speaker 16 (01:31:52):
Yeah, she was living there for the two months before
I was born. I mean there was a little it
was quite I think a bit of a secret at
the time. It's not now, so potentially she went there
once and became a bit off year, so I don't know,
but I think that was a family things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
I'm sure of her discussions with people saying they got
seent to Bethany, I'm sure there was. But yeah, I
think people knew what it was and there was an
element of there was an element of intrigue about it,
I guess if that's the word.

Speaker 16 (01:32:21):
And I remember my birth mom saying that the other
young some of the other young ones that she was
there with, they get their babies, like they taught them
how to look after their babies, and they have to
learn the skills that they needed.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
And say, you know, did she stay in touch with
any of the other mothers.

Speaker 18 (01:32:38):
Yep, So I.

Speaker 16 (01:32:41):
What she's saw friends with someone that kept their sons
and I actually have met them and I've met the
boy as well. Say boy, we were still young at
the time, obvious, but yeah, so yes, at least one person.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
And I don't even know what would fulfill that function
now or does society not have a need for that
function to be fulfilled?

Speaker 16 (01:33:06):
It's community care for like, I mean, i've hit my
own baby now, but I know that when I had mine,
Like there's a lot of like the Midwives organized like
community care and there's community programs, plunks.

Speaker 15 (01:33:18):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 16 (01:33:19):
But I think it's all done through It's like, yeah,
through community care now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
And did you manage to get back to the building
before it was knocked down?

Speaker 16 (01:33:27):
Yeah? Not long before, Oh I do. I don't know
it's it got fully demolished, if it got renovated and changed.
But yeah, been back there, and I was got to
go to the room where I was had the photos taken,
because I've seen those photos and saw like that where
she looked after me and like, yeah, where she left
when she's pregnant.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Yeah, Okay, it's just overlooking that park and gray and Grayland.
Isn't it looking Greatland Park?

Speaker 16 (01:33:54):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Or dry and straight A.

Speaker 16 (01:33:57):
I don't know if that's the same building, Okay, I
don't think. I think it's a different one because I
remember it being I can't remember the exact sup because
teenage women went no, it was closer to greenery.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Yep, Okay, we'll find out, but thank you. Ali twenty
six past ten. Marcus. I am a twin born at
Bethany Graylen in nineteen forty four. Gosh, there were unmarried
mothers on one floor and married on another. Lorraine, Thanks
Lorraine Marcus, Hello Marcus. Bethany Dryden Street was where my

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two siblings and I were born, the first being two
years after their nineteen forty seven marriage Doctor sutynand I
wonderho is it relating to the Governor General? Doctor suttnyand
was our family GP and delivered each of us, as
was with the case with a few of their married

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friend children. They also covered for caated for single mothers
and their babies. Mothercraft was taught regards Anne Marcus. In
fifty seven, I was working for one night and went
to the People's Palace because it was cheap. The room
was plain but fine. In the morning I went down
for breakfast. It was a first entry because I was

(01:35:15):
wearing slacks. Had to return wearing a dress. Fair enough, Marcus,
I was an unmarried mother in the mid nineteen sixties.
I went to Bethley Hospital for three months. There were
married and unmarried women there at Tennicoto. I remember coming

(01:35:39):
down from the north to Dunedin, was living on the
streets of Dunedin. I remember the Sally's coming around the
streets asking us if we want to come back with
them to the church, have a hot meal and a
bed for the night. It was July nineteen eighty five,
so freezing. I took them up on their rafa by
a husband and wife. I went back to the church,

(01:36:02):
had a hot meal in a good sleep. Then they
asked me to stay until I had sort myself out
with their kind help. Still grateful, my world had gone
very dark and thanks to them, I sorted my life out.
And now at fifty nine, I'm a Maori warden helping others.
I have so much respect for them, and never forget
they helped me see the light. Now my life is

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full of light. God bless the Saallys. Sunflower Heart, Sunflower.
Oh these are good stories. By the way, I did
read that about that story about the key weactor that
had died Emperor Palpatine. He was the voice fat Noale.
He was not a name I remember, but there might
be someone you want to talk about from Wellington. Died
at ninety four in California, Juliet's Marcus Welcome. Hi.

Speaker 12 (01:36:47):
I was born in bed Snee and in nineteen thirty nine.
I'm eighty five now and Mum was married. Mum and
Death were married, and I was born there, and then
I had three of my children there. Wow, after I
got married, and then later on and actually doctor Saturn

(01:37:11):
and that you were talking about, he delivered me, oh wow.
And his rooms were on Ponsonby Road, and we lived
in Vermont Street in Ponstanby.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Oh good, I know Vermont Street a little bit.

Speaker 12 (01:37:26):
Yeah wow, yeah, well Saturn and rooms where he was
in a house opposite the top of Vermont Street on
Ponsonby Road. And he delivered me, and I had three
of my children were born at Bethany and then my

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son sixty four now. And then afterwards or after I retired,
I went They had a little shed out the side
of the house and they used to sell second hand
baby clothes and of the girls that were living in

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there would come down and buy little things for their babies,
or people in the neighborhood would come in and buy things.
And I worked there for a few years, just one
or two days a week.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
So Judy when that when that worked. Does the is
a hospital a maternity hospital when you had your babies children?
Was it still? Was it still very much run by
the Salvation Army then? Is it the way it was?

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
It was?

Speaker 12 (01:38:36):
It was Salvation Army there it was. And the girls
were there then as well, and they were there afterwards.
I think later on when I was working in the shop,
it wasn't. They didn't have, you know, other people. It
was only the girls that they had there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
And I guess, and I guess the way the things been,
I guess some of them were probably quite young, were they.

Speaker 12 (01:39:02):
Yeah, we didn't see a lot of the girls. Some
of them came down and bought things, but we didn't
see a lot of.

Speaker 9 (01:39:07):
The girls a tour.

Speaker 12 (01:39:09):
Yeah, they seemed happy there. They looked after them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Well yeah, oh, well, and when you had your children?
How long were you in there before you You were
there for several weeks before you had your children?

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
Were you? No?

Speaker 11 (01:39:23):
No, I was married and I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
I know that, But I'll just try to work out
because these days you go out and have your baby
and you leave. But once upon a time you went
in for a couple of how long did you go
to the hospital before you had your baby.

Speaker 12 (01:39:36):
Well you only went in when you went into labor.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Oh okay, okay, and then you.

Speaker 12 (01:39:41):
Had your baby, but you had to stay there for
two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:39:46):
You went allowed out of bed for the first three
or four days.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
And.

Speaker 12 (01:39:56):
You had to be And I can remember it's all
sitting in the ward counting up with it. We had
the baby before midnight or up. We were all dying
to get out and get home. And you've been working
out the number of days whether you had the baby
before midnight so you could say you'd had it the
baby forum when you headed after midnight, so you'd have

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to wait another day.

Speaker 11 (01:40:21):
But it was good.

Speaker 12 (01:40:22):
It was good in there, Judy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Are you still in Vermont Street?

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:40:27):
No, No, I'm in down in Henderson there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Oh wow, okay. Oh not nice to talk to you, Judy.
Thank you for that twenty six to eleven all about
Bethley and the survey. Oh that's a different thread to
go on. Oh, there we go, Hello Marcus. Yes, doctor
Setti was the father of the former governor general.

Speaker 11 (01:40:48):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
I kind of think I thought, as I said, I thought, now,
is that a common surname? Out of it? Racist? Think, oh, well,
you know it must be that Governor General's father. But yeah,
I don't know how common a sudome it was there anyway,
So there you go, Marcus. Five siblings were worn at
Red Ruth Salvation arm Inber turning into eating back in
the fifties and sixties. Marcus great article on YouTube what

(01:41:15):
happens if Sonoda also fails at Red Bull? On Aldus
Alice explains the absolute bulls up that Red's Bull have created,
leaving their careers of Sunoda and Last in a mess.
Sunoda will probably not go well in Japan, and Liam
has been hung out to drive, predicted that Vershteppin and Serrus.
He considering going to Mercedes, leaving Red Bull with no
competitive drivers and a terrible reputation of absolutely been absolutely useless.

(01:41:39):
If Liam can get up his contract with Red Bill,
he could rebuild his career with another team. Will you
want to go with Tottle? I've been watching the I've
been watching him at a Formula one. They're quite charismatic.
Some of the team Prince are they called the Principles,
you know, I mean even a Christian, even old the Spice.

(01:42:02):
Gill's Husband's good on camera. He's got a certain he's
got a certain what would you just he's got a
certain quiet arrogance about him. No, it's not arrogance. It's
something quite likable about him on camera, a selfish jewardness

(01:42:22):
without being cocky. He's good on camera. I will watch
more of it. Anyway, we are talking about Bethany Holmes
and the Salvation Army. By the way, next time I'm
an up Hut, I'll go and see it. I'll go
and see that their headquarters there. I've got a soft

(01:42:47):
spot for Upper Hut. You know what happened when what
happened on the Upper Hut? When something happened to Upperhart
Now bus trip, Oh, we're going to stay at featherst
to be to get nuber across the hills. That's right,
because the trains and the buses wouldn't work.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
It was that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
It was the downfall in the whole campaign. It went
to a roast shop and Upper Hut on the left
facing a limitate. Quite good. I had to put some
charge on my phone so I get the uber. Anyway,
That seems a long time ago. They'll bust rip around

(01:43:28):
the country anyway. Twenty to eleven, Hello, David, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 9 (01:43:33):
Hi him, Marcus. Yeah, before I told you my little
anecdote about my dad, a little bit of the history
of the alleys. They started up. William Booth started them
up because he was concerned about the poorer people, and
for many, many decades they were the only kind of

(01:43:55):
social work anywhere in the world, so they did all
sorts of things to help people out. Well, anyway, now
to my dad. In the nineteen six is he joined
what became the Ministry Work, so I think it was
called the Public Works Department back then, and he was
in Wellington and he went to a little church that

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you know, was one of these little, wee small groups
that doesn't have lots of members. But the Ministry Works
they send him down to the west coast, to Westport,
and his church didn't have a branch there, so he
joined in with the Salvation Army. Apparently one of their
ideas was that all the popular tunes of the day,

(01:44:37):
they took them and wrote kind of religious words to them,
and they said, why should the devil have all the
best tunes? And he was always amused because he joined
their band and played the euphonium. But they'd be and
they go for a real march into that song to

(01:44:59):
banner Man. It was around a few years ago. You
don't remember it.

Speaker 11 (01:45:07):
Hang on.

Speaker 9 (01:45:13):
Six feet tall, He's touched the sky. Yeah, well that's
very much what the Salvation Army used to do with
their with the music. They'd go marching through the town. Yes,
and of course with Port, where my dad was, was
a real boozy town and they had this this tune

(01:45:36):
that they thought was wonderful because they'd written their own
words to it, and he was highly amused when they
would get there and they'd be going through Westport, marching
through Westport with their parade playing roll out the Bear,
roll out.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
The Barrel, many with the only show in town, the
Salvation Army band marching the streets, the people falling out
of the pub drunk looking at I mean it would
it sounds hilarious, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:46:06):
And there was another one. My older brother used to
drink a lot at the Duke of Edinburgh and Wellington. Yes,
and there was one guy in particular who was known
for going around everybody else begging a bit of money
off them so they could buy himself another drink and
he'd have a parlor coins there, and I'd say, well,

(01:46:29):
look you got the parlor coins there. You used that
to my drink? Can you say, oh, no, that's for
the salads. They would come out and they'd do a
bit of a collection in the pubs.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
That's funny.

Speaker 18 (01:46:43):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
What what was your dad doing in the coast, David?

Speaker 9 (01:46:48):
Well, he was working for the Ministry of Works or
the Public Works Department, so he was an engineering cadet
and one day a week they seconded him to be
the pay or one day a footmart I think it was.
They seconded him to be a a pay clark because

(01:47:09):
the government regulation said that there had to be two
of them. There were pay clarks when they paid them
in goodness, and they flew down on an old fox
moth to the various sites. And apparently the pilot of
this foxmouth had a whole series of force landing spots.

(01:47:29):
So when he got the ranger one forced landing spot
before he left that he must making sure he was
lining up on his next boy forced landing spot because
the engine of those those things had cut out. They
only had a single spark plug pier of cylinder.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Okay, by, did your fra did your father stay with
the Salvation Army. Once he left the coast.

Speaker 9 (01:47:55):
Now he went back to the church that he was Yeah,
that was well, that was his church and he was
slated to go and join the church and as a
eminent worker. So which didn't actually work out.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
But I don't know how they managed to get everyone
to play an instrument. I guess you taught yourself in
those days, did you, because I mean it seems like
everyone there knows how to play.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Well. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:48:23):
With my dad, he was very musical when he was
at university. One of his subjects was music at university,
so to him, that was, you know, playing another instrument
was pretty easy.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
I've tried to picture the euphonium, but it's just like
a big trump at the reps around you, was it?
If I got that right?

Speaker 9 (01:48:43):
No, No, that's the sousophone. The euphonium's the thing that's
it's like a very very big flugel horn. Oh yeah,
so it's stubby and wide if you if you follow me, yep, yep,
almost like the what do I call that one? Like

(01:49:06):
an oversized corner it?

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Yes, okay, you find it.

Speaker 17 (01:49:10):
It's just huge.

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
Compared with the horn. Corner.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:49:17):
A trumpet could fit across the width of it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Yes, they'd be right, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:49:22):
And it's that sort of in between. It's not the
big base things. It's a kind of a mid range instrument.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
It just sounds re appealing, is it. Was it the
nineteen fifties?

Speaker 9 (01:49:36):
No, No, this in nineteen thirties.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Ninety oh, okay, okay, so nineteen thirties Westport in the
Servation Army Brass Band. It does sound extremely exciting to
be wandering because that go through the streets every Friday,
wouldn't they That's what they.

Speaker 9 (01:49:50):
Do, right, Yeah, yeah, well, actually they did it more.
I think they did it three times a week in
his day.

Speaker 21 (01:49:59):
Jeez.

Speaker 9 (01:50:00):
I remember as a kid in the fifties seeing them
in a little wee stubby end of a side street
off Cuba Street in Wellington.

Speaker 8 (01:50:09):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:50:12):
So the halfway up from was it Gusney Street to
Vivian Street there was a little sun side street and
they used to go and collect there and and then
I'd have a big parade through Cuba Street and that
was always on a Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
You know, it'd be a long time to time. I
remember it in Queen Street and Auckland. But yeah, I
appreciate you coming through. There were there'd be the Salvation
Army on one side, there'd be the Harry Christians on
the other. These days you don't get as much like that,
do you. Well know one in town. Welcome Ben Marcus evening.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Hey Marcus has the hangings in order?

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Good? Thank you Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
What's the way they're doing in Bluff today?

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Rain finally needed it for the plants. I was really
keen for it to happen. It hasn't really rained for
about three months. I was very out of the stock
and I planted trees and I'd worried that they were
looking at it. I thought, gee, she's planted them too early.
But yeah, we had a really good dose today. So yeah,
so it was it was much needed.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Oh that sounds good. That sounds good. Yeah, I'm going
to talk to you away. Talking about Formula one. I
don't really watch and I watched the Highlight and that's
about it. But I got really intrigued. That's a guy
price shots in Land rode to got Cora and his
name's David Dickers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
Oh yeah, he's got that track, hasn't he got that?

Speaker 8 (01:51:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
He's got apparently's got two tracks there, but he was
at Roden Cars. It's an Italian with R O D
I N. Yeah, you'll find a side on YouTube anyway.
But anyway, it's got a couple of big workshops here,
and I think with Formula One cards you can't just go. Look,
I've got enough money I can afford to get a team.

(01:51:58):
I want to get in. I think you've got to
be invited, and it's like an exclusive club, not like
that anyway. So he's tried to get in, but that
he can't get in. So what he does is he
manufactures his own cars and he makes his own stuff,
Like in his workshop he makes everything, Like once upon

(01:52:18):
a time he'd get cranks from somewhere and make his
own engines, but now he makes a whole lot, from
breaks right through to crankshafts to motors, the whole lot.
He does everything in those workshops. He's got a car here.
I can't remember the name of it, but it's quicker
than the Formula one car and it's yeah, it's probably

(01:52:41):
got like another ten fifteen twenty horse power than normal
Formula lun car. But it's not allowed to be entered
into the Formula one car because I think they're restricted.
But what he does is he makes all the bits
and he sells it on to like McLaren or whoever
when they make it bits, Like I think I remember rightly,
it takes a better year to make the brake pads

(01:53:05):
because they grow them and another for a whole year,
which like a fungus. I guess I don't know, but yeah, yeah,
really intriguing to have a look at him anyway. But
he's got this old single care Highlux here, and you've
got it down to the sort of chap he's got.
I think he's from Australia originally made his money in it.

(01:53:27):
He's got this old high Lux here, and I knew
a couple of guys who actually helped build one of
the tracks. And he says, oh yeah, he used to
cruise around in his truck, you know, just an old
farm track.

Speaker 8 (01:53:36):
On the back.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
And he said on one of his videos that he's
got that stuff. I'm going to get the old Highlux
and I'm going to get the boys to do it up.
And they done every single bolt and unseen every single
penel on that.

Speaker 9 (01:53:51):
Truck and they reserviced it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
And he says, oh, yeah, I got a paint. It
probably costs more for the paint job than the whole job,
but a whole lot brand new, he says, I'm too
scared to take it into the butt now, not to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Ben, thank you so much, great story. Liked it a lot. Raywyn,
thank you for hanging on in good evening.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
Hi, I have a bit of history in one of
the history books about the Salvation Army.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
One of mum's relations, Graham Hunts, used to work at
the National Business Review, and he's a genealogist and he
wrote all our history out in a book. And one
of his relations, Thomas Hunt, there's a story about him
in our history book. Here, is it all right? If

(01:54:42):
I read a bit out?

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Are good? It's interesting? You go knock yourself out, go
for gold.

Speaker 4 (01:54:47):
It was in the late eighteen eighties Thomas, a legendary
and illiterate drunkard, went through a spiritual transformation. He became
a founder member of the Newton Auckland Corpses, a Salvation
Army in eighteen eighty nine. Learn to Read and write.

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Albert Joseph Taylor, one of his grandsons, recalls the family
tale of Thomas's conversion to the Salvation Cause. Thomas was
attending a Salvation Army evening when some reason or another,
he was very drunk and fell through a drum. Mister

(01:55:30):
Taylor recalled. He was so embarrassed that it made him
reform and joined the cause, and he became a Salvation
Army officer.

Speaker 7 (01:55:39):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
The excitement of the Salvation Army was hardly surprising. The
movement had faced an uphill battle when it came to
New Zealand in eighteen eighty three, with local authorities invoking
by laws to stop outdoor gatherings and other denominations running
a smare campaign to undermine it. Notwithstanding the hurdles, Salvation

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Army grew rapidly, aligning itself closely with the Temperance Cause.
If the profession and the heather remark that was made
in the newspaper, if the procession only took place occasionally,
it would not be so bad. But night after night,
week in and week out, month after month, the noisy

(01:56:30):
parades made like hideous with badly played instruments, flaming torches
and discordant yells and shouts. They are a nuisance to all.

Speaker 19 (01:56:43):
It's a good article, that's just some of it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
I always thought the music sounded quite good.

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
Oh, this is just what the newspaper put in. So
I hope they have to make headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
A you wonder how you could fall through a drum?

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
Yes, well it's so drunk apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
I wonder what sort of drumm it was. I guess, yeah, okay, yeah,
I guess the drummer was drumming, and you fall across
and fall through. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
And then he became a Salvation officer because he got
so embarrassed.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
It hasn't been part of you. You're not a Salvation
Army person, a salvationist, are you?

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
No, not at all. That's just the only bit in
our history that we've got anything to do with it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
Oh, you should give it a spin, raywan.

Speaker 4 (01:57:27):
I'm I'm I'm a follower of Jim Oh what's that
Jesus in counter ministries?

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
Oh brilliant? Any good?

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
Mark Emans travels the world as an exorcist, healing people.

Speaker 11 (01:57:45):
Wow, who is?

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
He comes to New Zealand about once a year. I've
had dramatic healings with him. I had a splintered spine
and he just put his hand, didn't even touch me
down my back and I was instantly healed.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
Now, hang on, there's a lot there. I asked you
about Jim Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
Encounter Ministry, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
You said something else. Then what did you say, who's
the name of the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:58:10):
Mark Hemons?

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
Is he with Jim?

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
He's yeah, he's the main leader.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Oh yeah, I've got another word for that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
Based in Australia, not here.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
How'd you come across him?

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
It's just at the local church and he was visiting
one time and I and I just went up for
healing and I could hardly walk because they had a
splintered spine, excruciating pain. He just put his hand down
my back, didn't even touch me, and I was instantly healed.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Didn't take all your money.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
I doesn't have any money. Well, I don't think I
would have paid a stair actually.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
Okay, okay, I can see him there.

Speaker 11 (01:58:54):
Okay, Well yeah, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
I've never heard of Jesus Encounter ministers. Have they got
a church? Have they got a church in New Zealand?

Speaker 14 (01:59:06):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
When he when he comes.

Speaker 7 (01:59:08):
I watched it on the.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
Based book and that when he comes to New Zealand,
you still have got a book. And then they'll hire
a hall, and hundreds of people.

Speaker 8 (01:59:19):
Turn up.

Speaker 3 (01:59:22):
And did you have demons in you?

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
Ah, that's funny. Actually actually a lot of people will
fall backwards when he does healing and they have to
have a catch it. But I always wait for me
for Oh, I might fall backwards this time, and I
never do.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
Okay, But did you or does he go around the
world getting rid of demons?

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
He does, Yeah, And I've actually heard them talk that
the voice of the demons talk come out to people.
Some people are violently sick when it happens when the
demons come out ray?

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
When would you be kind enough to make the noise
that the demons make?

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
They talk? But what normal normal voices they talk to?
Normal voice sary?

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
No, not yet.

Speaker 13 (02:00:18):
No, it's not scared.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
I've never been scared at one of his meetings.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
The demons, the demons talk, and.

Speaker 4 (02:00:25):
The people sometimes you'll hear them when you go to
the meeting.

Speaker 3 (02:00:29):
They won't scream or anything. Oh people do scream, yeah,
but the demons.

Speaker 4 (02:00:38):
Well, you can sort of make up your mind whether
the demons screaming or the person. I'm not too sure.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
And he's an aussy guy, is he, yes?

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
He is.

Speaker 8 (02:00:49):
Yeah, he travels the world.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
Dune July is coming for baptisms. But he's I attended
about generally I think it was or something generally was
the last time he was here.

Speaker 3 (02:01:06):
What cities that in and he came to the.

Speaker 4 (02:01:12):
Only Hunger I think it was something like only Hunger
Auckland or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:17):
Is he only in Auckland?

Speaker 4 (02:01:19):
No, sometimes it goes to other places in New Zealand.
But hundreds of people like they travel hundreds of miles
from people to get a healing.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
Goodness. Yeah, I said, there's a big button on off
website to donate.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
Oh, I don't know. I've never donated to it. Well, actually,
if you look up Ray when you're probably see one
of my healings on the YouTube there?

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
Do they video it?

Speaker 14 (02:01:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
I watch that? Do you do any devil? Do you
do any devil voices?

Speaker 4 (02:02:02):
I have never know that, you know. I'm I've been
as yeah, been in churches for quite a while, but
I've never had a demon speak through me. No.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
I look for your YouTube. Just what were Google to
get your YouTube video?

Speaker 4 (02:02:20):
Yeah? Yeah, and there's a couple I've got on there.
I've got another miracle that's on there as well.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
What's the Miracle.

Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
Well, I was actually at one of his meetings in
Mount Albert, No, no, Mount Roskill, and I was coming
home in the taxi to day at night, about ten thirty,
and I was in a bad mood because I've gone
to get my knee healed. And I told the doctor
I'm going to go to marx hit meeting and I'm

(02:02:50):
going to get my knee healed. And I come away
from the meeting and I thought, well, he didn't do
a one on one healing with me there, and so
I came away sort of feeling quite disappointed. I don't
think my knees healed. And stead of having a moan
in the tax anyway, we're coming home and I looked
to my left and a car was going to smash

(02:03:12):
into me about two feet away. And our car got
picked up and put on the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (02:03:18):
For goodness sake, but you wouldn't be video and I
and I so.

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
Next time I came to New Zealand, after the COVID thing,
I got up in front of a few hundred people
and told the miracle about that wow that's on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
Was a taxi driver surprised?

Speaker 4 (02:03:35):
Yeah, well, he spoke first, how did that happen?

Speaker 11 (02:03:39):
And I was how did that happen?

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
And the first thing I wanted to do was were's
the other car that was nearly going to hit me?
It was only about two feet away, it was it
was taken further away than what we were placed further away.

Speaker 3 (02:03:51):
So both cars were picked up.

Speaker 4 (02:03:53):
Yep, yep, absolute miracle, mind you. I've been a special
minister for many years, so I do believe a miracle.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
What's a special minister?

Speaker 4 (02:04:06):
I've been a special minister in the Catholic Church.

Speaker 17 (02:04:08):
I married a Catholic, became a Catholic.

Speaker 4 (02:04:11):
But I've been a special minister for many years, and
I believe, totally believe in miracles. I had a son at.

Speaker 20 (02:04:19):
Four years old.

Speaker 4 (02:04:21):
He'd lost he'd lost the use of his leg for
four years with an immunization injection. And I went to
Aukland Hospital and they said, I'm sorry, this is after
four years agoing in and out Auckland hospital. I'm sorry,
your son will never walk again. I got home from hospital,
I yelled out to God. I said, like, how my
son's not gonna walk again? And I heard a voice

(02:04:43):
say to me, I was just waiting for you to
ask I took him off all his medication and he
started walking and he wasn't supposed to walk. Nothing wrong with.

Speaker 3 (02:04:57):
Him now, so he's still walking fine.

Speaker 4 (02:05:01):
Yeah you know. Auckland Hospital said, oh look, I'm sorry
your son will never walk again, but leave your file open.
You can come and see us anytime. But I didn't
have to go on every two weeks. I think it was.

Speaker 3 (02:05:14):
You're a very good unfiltered talker. I can see why
you're on video.

Speaker 11 (02:05:22):
Yeah, I'm on video.

Speaker 4 (02:05:23):
If you look at ray when you'll probably find it.
What YouTube, Church Fractioned Spine or Raywan Taxi.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
Of course it's called Rayen Fractioned Spy. It's been a delight.
Thank you very much for that. Appreciate Yeah you too,
I Boom Fractioned Spy. There's your podcast title.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
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