Superior, they said, never gives up her dead (10 November 2025)

Marcus commemorates 50 years since the wreckage of the SS Edmund Fitzgerald, and talks the closure of RSAs around the country.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That'd be good evening. Want to welcome to the tenth
of November. My name is Marcus. With you till twelve
o'clock tonight, So I hope it's I hope you're in
good form. I've driven to town. It's very free wet
down south to I wouldn't even kind of accept persistent
rad I would kind of even wouldn't be surprised if
they're as flooding because the river's seemed high. But I
will keep you posted on that. So hope it's good

(00:31):
for you. Hope you had a good weekend to s preay,
a sport to watch and the likes of that. And
welcome to Monday. Here till twelve o'clock. Yes, And what
I can tell you on this Monday, tenth of November
is the legend lives on from the chipperon down on
the lake they call get Chagomy the lake it has
said NEGGIV never gives up her dad when the skies

(00:53):
of November turned gloomy. Because tonight, of course is the
anniversary of the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. So I've
got that out of the way, and what I can
say about that is, well, it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
It happened about ten past seven in Detroit time on
the Great Lakes. That's about ten past one in the morning,
which will be tomorrow morning but sorry, tomorrow afternoon. Yeah,
it's a bit way behind us than that's so, yeah, so.
And it is the fiftieth anniversary. That's absously going to
be a big deal. And over the last few years,

(01:29):
perhaps seven or eight years, we've always acknowledged this day,
not for any reason that apart from the fact the
song is so good and people at the nighttime show
love maritime mysteries and maritime stories and maritime disasters. It's
what kind of we're about clicking this country with so
much coastline. And I fronted up to work tonight thinking

(01:51):
it's a Monday, and sometimes talks a bit hard to
get going on a Monday, and I thought maybe that
the desire to talk about the Edmund Fitzgerald was not
as strong as it once was. So I came here
kind of thinking, two hats, I'll keep it fast and free.
I'm not quite sure what we're going to talk about tonight,
but I arrived, and there are a lot of emails

(02:13):
from people with information about the reck of the dmit Fitzgerald,
about the celebration about well, sorry, the commemoration of fifty
years and the celebration of the song and some of
the details that's around that and things like that. So
I'm not quite sure if it's going to be the
major topic tonight, but certainly I'm very happy to talk

(02:33):
about it because obviously it was a maritime disaster with
one of those massive ships with the bridge at the front,
one of those massive ships that carried iron or across
the Great Lakes. I'll put the picture of it up
on Facebook, the Facebook page. Extraordinary looking ship. They just

(02:59):
sunk on the Great Lakes. I think one of the
hatches was left open, so often is the way, they're
never quite sure. One of their hatches was open and
gotten to the cargo, and the cargo moved and the
ship became unstable. But there was an extraordinary storm. I think,
as you know about lakes is that the storms on
lakes can be as bad as the storms as seas,

(03:19):
and there were very very big waves. But twenty nine
died the same number obviously as in Pike River and yeah,
it was probably one of those just another one of
those many disasters that happened on the Great Lakes of America.
But Gordon Lightfoot happened to read an article about the

(03:40):
disaster and wrote the song The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald,
which became one of the great narrative songs I suppose
of our time, and certainly one of the great songs
and one of the great songs about a disaster. So
there's a lot of kind of strands we can talk
about tonight. I've got a fee bit of information that's
been sent to me about things. But yeah, she's a

(04:00):
cracker of a song. It's one of those disasters that's
got her all all if you like it was the
skipper's last day, is about to retire, all these other
things that happened with that, And I'm sure some of
that information will come out tonight. So I guess probably
what I'm saying tonight is if you want to share
some of you and there's some good Internet, there's some

(04:22):
good YouTube vie. You say good YouTube videos about like
it's You're gotta be careful say good YouTube videos because
it gets a bit conspiratory. But there's some really good
information out there about the YouTube about the wreck, the Invfitsgerald.
There's some great YouTube videos, there's some great Wikipedia pages.
There's all sorts of people obsessed with the wreck, about
what happened, about who was invallve Just like all shipwrecks,
like the Titanic, there's always different versions of what could

(04:44):
have been and what could have happened. So that's kind
of what I intend to talk about for some of tonight.
I don't know if we'll get four hours to talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
But.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, if you want to mention that, because the song
came out in nineteen seventy six, so this I thought
the song came out a lot later, but the song
was just a year after. So yeah, And there will
be some great commemorations in the next day or two
with bells being rung and all sorts of stuff. So
if you've got some information about that, you can bang

(05:15):
it through, you can email or call. I'd love to
have some calls about that. You might have been to
the Great Lakes, you might have seen some of those
massive ships.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I know.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
In fact, some of the other shows we've talked about
about this over the years, is a lot of people
a lot of people. Some people, a number of people
with their Internet habits, they actually watch fixed cameras on
the lakes and the canals and yeah, some of the

(05:53):
dock or some of the connecting canals between the lakes
and watch some of the You know, there's ship spotters
out there that watch the ships as they move around
the Great Lakes. That might be one of you. You know,
there are ship obsessives out there, So if you want
to say something about that, come through eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and nine two nine to de text. Keep
those texts coming through. Do I'll get to some of
the emails. And someone has emailed Marcus, I'm one of

(06:17):
those longtime listeners, first time non callers to your celebrated
radio show. I've text on the odd occasion, not intentionally mocking,
mockingly as to White Little Tensions afforded other shipwreck songs
like the Wreck of the Antoinette. Whether this comes from
my being a keen karaoke singer always seeking variety? Are
you planning anything specific on the Monday tenth November twenty

(06:40):
twenty five to mark the fifty that AVERSI with this tragedy.
I realize Gordon Lightfoot gave literary license to changing the
destination from Detroit to Cleveland and his famous song, although
when the chef called out it was too rough to
feed you. I'm still unsure if he changes from supper
seven pm to breakfast circus seven thirty am. I made

(07:01):
a mission to sing a karaoke version at the upp
Hut Cozy Club last session after Thursday, sixth November this year,
having last sang it approximately three years ago, with complaints
of its length, which is up to fifty five seconds
longer than the original by the artist also justified the
reason as fifty year passing since the event, I might

(07:21):
have a chance this to your upcoming night show, but
we'll try to do so from nine pm if possible.
That's Jim and Wellington, very brave do the record the
Infant steeriald at karaoke. So well done you and that's
a nice way to commemorate it. The other email that
someone will another email that someone sent me to is

(07:43):
that one of the e had a begin interviews in
the stuff website from one of the reporters. That was
the person that did the kind of authoritative version on
the record The Infant s Gerald and the article was
read abut the article it's quite interesting. Associated Press reporter
Harry Atkins was far from Lake Superior on November ten,

(08:04):
seventy five, when the Gales of November came early. Such
a great line, but as news coverage the following day
of the infamous wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald helped shape
its legacy. Atkins, Who's Alive in eighty six, was a
news real put in Detroit when he was sent to
Michigan's Upper Pontinsia to write about the Fitzgerald. The freighter

(08:26):
was transporting iron off of Wisconsin to Zageland and Detroit
when it encountered a terrifying storm or twenty nine, when
aboard died in the exact cause of the wreck remains
a mystery. The Fitzgerald was the last major shipwreck on
the Great Lakes thanks to technology improvements in the years
after the disaster. The wreck also became the most famous
of the region thanks to Gordon Lightfoot's eerie folk ballad

(08:49):
that is kept in public memory. Lightfoot wrote the Ode
to the Fitzgerard after reading Atkins's story about the wreck,
and in November nineteen seventy five article on Newsweek magazine
The song was released less of the year after the disaster,
and apparently he was working on the Detroit broadcast desk

(09:11):
when the bureau heard something was wrong. A Whitefish Bay
resident that is described as an old hermit was listening
to radio communications from ships on the water and called
radio stations to lay what he heard. He could figure
out that the Fitzgerald was not doing well at consaid,
The last message you ever heard from the Fitzgerald was
sent to the Arthur Anderson, a vessel nearby. We are

(09:33):
holding our own, the Fitzgerald's captain said, So, yeah, like
all those news stories, it was a tip off from
a guy on the marine radio that told people that
things weren't right. So he wrote a quick story and
drove overnight to the place north of Detroit where it

(09:55):
could actually get more work and do more stuff about that.
So I might revisit that article sometime tonight too and
talk more about that. But we've got the information about
the record, edn. I Fitzgerald just wanted to say something
about it. Feel free to come through and we'll see
how we go. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty and
nine to nine two to text if you want to
be a part of it. We will play the song
sometime tonight. I'd forgoten about the other ship, the Anderson too,

(10:18):
that's a big story as well. Yeah, anyway, get in
touch if you want to, Steve, it's Marcus. Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yes, there's a difference between lake water and seawater. Fresh
water and the Great Lakes is fresh water. It's not
as buoyant, and you'll get a five or six meters swell.
It's not six meters vertical, well it's not it. And
fresh water you actually go deeper and you can bottom out.

(10:52):
You sit on the bottom and just looking at it
for half a minute, you think the end of the
world is coming. You know, it's just I've been in
the Southern Ocean beyond Campbell one set on a sandbar
for half a minute when it went out. But the
sea waters are much more buoyancy higher a buoyancy you

(11:15):
float better. But you know, fresh fresh water you get
in a bath just an ordinary tuble hot you know,
cold bath water. Things don't really float, you know. It's
not like the Dead Sea where it's all salt and
everything floats on the surface. But fresh water and the

(11:37):
Great Lake superior Yeah, there's a possibility that they bottomed
out and the big swell and just took the bottom out.
Does anybody actually had a look at the wreck.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yes, they've studied it greatly and there's much discussion online
on the Wikipedia pages about that. Also, I think too
with lakes, you can get more confused waves because they
can reflect off and bounce back, so they can come
at you from different directions.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Also, yeah, at the same time.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, they get confused and they've got you get a.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Steady swell like we get into White Metal Harbor here,
and it's all in the one direction. You can you
can face into it like you get into a lake,
even Lake Tapo. You can get it very confused.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think that's over the year it's been a very
dangerous lake like Topa and even lakes like like Piano
and stuff like that can really chop up.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
You can get two swells coming at the same from
different directions at the same time, and yeah, you're out
and you're your kep size real quick.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Steve, Steve, have you ever been Have you ever been
to the Great Lakes?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
No, but I do have. I have got a couple
of videos of shipping on Lake superior people. Things they
move around on that lake. You know, a little oil
tinkers full of oil and as you say, iron, iron
sands and you know, heavy products, heavy machinery moved around. Yeah,

(13:10):
it's easier to do that than by road. But you know,
fresh water is not as buoyant, and you really got
to be experienced and not go out when it's like,
you know, when you've got five or six meters Well,
no stack port.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well I asked about the Great Lakes. It's quite interesting
because actually I thought I'd be very keen to go
and do a crew, you know, to do a June
across the Great Lakes. But it's free hard to do that.
It's free, hard to I don't know why. It doesn't
seem as though there's cruise ships in there. It's hard
to know.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
They don't take passengers. It's all freight.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, that's rightly freight.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, there you fly. You can get in a you
can get in an amphibian and fly across. But you're
not that many cruisers on them. I suppose because of
the unpredictability of the weather and that.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
You're probably right. I'm going to move on. Stupid, love
you to talk that's the plant that we had talking
about the wreck of the Eben Fitzger. By the way,
someone said, all those lakes are open to the Atlantic,
but I think that's through a through a bit of
construction making canals. I don't think you know, the water
is fresh to my understanding. Someone said it's great hearing
stories about how news broke in the pre internet times,
so different to these days when it spreads around the

(14:23):
world less than a second. Marcus a record breaking US
lake in Minnesota. Lake of the Woods has fourteen thousand
islands and one hundred thousand klopters of shore lake and
it's surrounded by Canada. Thank you. You know, I get
in touch if you want to talk. We talk about
the wreckor of the edmin Fitz jury. You've got anything
to say about maritime stuff or lakes in general. Well,
I guess more about this. Do get in touch. It'd

(14:45):
be good to hear from you. By the way, the
ship was launched in nineteen fifty eight, so it wasn't
an old ship. Two hundred and twenty two meters long,
which is what two Titanics two and a half Titanics.
It's a big ship. It's a huge ship. And sunk
seventeen miles north northwest of Whitefish Point in Michigan. Gale

(15:07):
forced wins over fifty knots waves over twenty five feet
seven point six meters. Last radio transmission seventy ten. Captain
mc sorley, we are holding our own. Wreck was found
in seventy six with sona depth of one hundred and
sixty two meters split in two corese Still debated theories

(15:27):
include structural failure, massive wave impact, or hatch cover damage.
That's a school arm and is the hatch cover damage
that's always seem the most convincing. Twenty three past eight,
we are talking Edmund Fitzgerald. It's fifty years today that
the Edmond Fitzgerald sangle, though in the Michigan time, it'll
be ten past one tomorrow afternoon and they ring out

(15:48):
the bell. I think they found the bell from the ship,
and they'll ring that twenty nine times. For those that
think there might be something else, they might win an
extra one. I'll find out more. Yeah, Chris, this is Marcus.
Good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Chris Good?

Speaker 5 (16:02):
I'm telling me you were talking about the length of
that ship that went down being he's quite the means
of the Titanic. Yes, the Titanic was two hundred and
seventy meters long.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't think it was.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
Oh it's my.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Stats anyway, that's what that's my stats anyway, two sixty
nine meters long.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Befeet with it.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
No, no meters.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Really it's a long shirt.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
But no, no worries.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
Man, you're doing a great you sure, I'm sure. I
just looked it out.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Wow. Oh good, Yeah, no, that's I appreciate you coming
through with that, Chris, thank you for that. Oh well,
there we go. It looked a lot longer, I guess
because the way it is. Go and have a look
it on Facebook. Marcus Lush Knights the Edmund Fitzgerald. Yeah, good,
good fact checking there from you, brilliant. That's what we

(16:57):
need to know. We talk about the wreck of the
Edmind Fitzgerald. She shows you how the Titanic was. I
always though when you went back to compet the modern
cruise ships the Titanic anyway, I don't know how long
the how long would your average cargo should be? These days?
You will know? Oh wait, one hundred and eighty Tenadian
nineteen nine to text, does any breaking news. I'll bring

(17:22):
that to you tonight. Also two people, Brian Marcus welcome.

Speaker 9 (17:27):
Yes Marcus, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Thank you Brian.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
Last time I heard you you were on Radio Bosom
when I was a youngster.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (17:36):
Ye alright.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
A lot of the people still call already a bosom,
do they, which which I kind of like. That's quite quaint,
isn't it.

Speaker 9 (17:43):
Yeah? Yeah yeah. Anyway, long story short, I did a
road trip. I'm a bit of a music junkie and
and I was in Minnesota and.

Speaker 10 (17:54):
Duluth.

Speaker 9 (17:54):
I think that's where Dylan came from. Anyway, long story short,
I was looking for the bell. I was looking for
the wreck, and I was looking for you know all
your Okay, long story short, this is a few years back.
I traveled. I found the area where the wreck came from.

(18:17):
Are we on here or.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah we are? We are Brian all right, And I'm
loving it all.

Speaker 10 (18:23):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm loving to look.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
Okay, okay, yep, yep. I think that's Dylan's territory. Anyway,
long story short, I found the wreck and I found
Mariner's Hall in Detroit. The bell had moved. I believe
it's in Toledo, and I went there and I couldn't
find it anyway. It's one of those road trips, you know. Anyway,

(18:48):
Gordon Lightford, Yes, great, great rendition, although the Dandy Warhols
came close with their acoustic version.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I didn't know that because I'm a huge fan of
Dandy Warhol's Little Drummer Boy. I didn't even know they
did the Wreck of the in Infants Gerald.

Speaker 9 (19:01):
Either the drum I mean their Christmas song? Yes, oh really, Oh.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
The Daily Warhols do the best of all of the
Little Drummer Boys, So I didn't know they did the
record the I mean they're clearly a class act.

Speaker 9 (19:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I hang around with
them at their oeditorium when I was in Portland. Anyway,
long story short, I couldn't find the bell, and apparently
it was moved to Toledo and in Okay, but that
could be a Oh wives.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Tell I, did you do a pilgrimage for the bell
because of the wreck?

Speaker 11 (19:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
And because of the song?

Speaker 9 (19:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Wow?

Speaker 9 (19:45):
Yeah? Or it was one of those seven month road
trips and you you follow your music history and you
try and see all the things that represented in songs
that you've heard along the way.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Just hang on there, Brian, because I'll come back to that.
Don't disappear on me. I'm just going to go to
use headlines. But I wouldn't mind bringing that out to
hear some of the other places you went to see
when you were there. You picked to pick to you, Brian,
what else did you look for in your American trip?

Speaker 9 (20:11):
Well, well, I love I love the fact of going
to Detroit, and that's where it sort of happened. I
was a huge white Stripes and bombs stand anyway, so
I managed to catch those guys, and that's where Maren's
Hall is. It's in Detroit, and so I got to
see that Saint Andrew's Hall where Iggy used to play

(20:33):
and all that sort of stuff. Anyway. Yeah, No, all
my road trips were to do with music and and
try to find all the things that people used to
sing about. Yeah, and so it was a marvelous trip,
governed to all sorts of trouble, as you do.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Brian, like incarceration, trouble.

Speaker 9 (20:59):
No, no, no, no, no. I'd still be there, wouldn't I.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Well, that's that seems you. I think that I think
they do. The bell is on display in the Great Lakes,
Great Lake Shipwreck Museum at Whitefish Point.

Speaker 9 (21:12):
I've been to Whitefish but nobody could it. No, No,
I think it moved around a bit. And so anyway,
you know, you couldn't you couldn't drive before eleven in
the morning because you've had such a bad night.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It sounds like it should be it sounds like you
should be documenting that trip.

Speaker 9 (21:34):
Well, it's all in my head, I mean, and Superior
is a great lake to swim in Eerie. You wouldn't
bother that was polluted. And of course they cleaned up
Michigan and they send all the all the dungers back
to Saint Louis in birds. You've heard that one, right,

(21:55):
what badwise Budweiser.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 9 (21:59):
The crap water it came out of Michigan we sent
back to Saint Louis for them in cans.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, very good, Ron. We'll leave it there, but nice
to hear for your twenty eight to night. We're I
talk about the rerecord, the infants, Gerald, the Great Lakes
and general. If you've been to those, Marcus, just reread
my book about the Cursed Disaster in two thousand and eight,
how Russia was so against foreign helped so said it
costs lives that could have been said. Look, honestly, I
can't do summarine disaster story. That's just too grim for me. Marcus.

(22:31):
The bell they ring is the original Edmund Fitzgerald. Before
they took the original bell, that a foundry make a
replica to replace it, as it would be bad luck
to leave the ship without a bell. Oh okay, great,
I'm loving all of this. Get in touch, Marcus. The
Sattannic was eight hundred and eighty two feet and nine
inches long. At the time it was the largest man

(22:53):
made movie obbuit in the world. And please have learned
about that again in touch. You want to be involved,
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty someone to know
where they change from seawater to fresh water. I've got
no idea, but I'll look forward to what you've to
say about that eight hundred eighty ten eighty and dex
we to talk about the reckorly Theedmin Fitzgerald or anything
else in general, as far as as far as shipwrecks

(23:18):
gore anything else too. I don't want understand if you
leave a bell with a ship while they removed it,
then someone's emailed me. The museum at Whitefish Point holds
the Fitzgerald's bell, the primary artifact recovered from natural wreck site.
Other relics have also come to rest here after being
recovered from the lake or washing ashore. Adding to the

(23:39):
section commemorating the Fitzgerald at the museum brilliant, be in
touch if you want to be oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Someone else's text had always wished there was
a Hollywood blockbuster made about the s c's Edmond Fitzgerald
plot would be from the perspective of the s s
Arthur Anderson captain and crew in the days leading up

(24:00):
to and including the Eddy fitz sinking. Final scenes would
be Captain mcshaw responding, we are holding our own. Last
scene would be the ship slightly fades off the radar screen.
Gordon's song starts playing. A little montage of the crew
faintly plays through the duration of the song. There's been

(24:22):
good movies about shipwrecks. What about that one about the
Perfect Storm? Who was the skip from the Perfect Storm?
Or you might want to talk about that also twenty
five to nine backsone twenty three Away from nine. By
the way, we talk about the record the Van Fitzgerald
fifty years ago today, on the tenth of November, seven
past ten, although of course in Michigan time it was

(24:44):
ten past one in the afternoon tomorrow, but of course
that day was November the tenth. It was hard to know,
is that when you're on an event, if you stay
actually true to the calendar, actually work out when it
would anyway? What am I saying about that? By the way,
bed like all your people with Jelly Roll, who was
performing on Saturday amount at Western Spring that was bad,
wasn't it? Do we know what happened there? I couldn't

(25:07):
quite work out there. I mean, I just saw people
posting that they weren't going because it'd kind of pulled out,
But can quite work out what was wrong with him?
Was that explained? Because if people kind of put huge
money to fly to walk and I just wonder if
you were one of those people, what you did to
actually make it into a decent day.

Speaker 10 (25:29):
Coast.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I've heard any explanation about what happened to him, not
that it's his job to explain it. And whether you've
had any luck with accommodation or air fees or stuff
like that, or how much out of pocket you are.
If you've got a jelly roll story too, that's a
big news during the week. And the other thing too
that I have mentioned also is the fires with the
fire and the central North Island. If you have experienced

(25:51):
that or an eyewitness of that, it'll be getting dark
or thereabouts dark. Now, do come through if you've got
to talk about that. Haven't managed to get a look
really at how much area there has been devastated. It's
a bit hard to when they say so many thousands
of hectares. It's fairly hard for me to get an
impressure of that. But it seems to be a fairly
big area. I don't know what it's going to look

(26:14):
like in terms of the landscape there, but you might
have something to say about that. Also you might be
someone that got evacuated there or from the ski fields.
But twenty away from nine. If you want to be
a part of the show, Oh eight hundred and eighty,
we had to talk about the record. The eedmanfitts you
i'ld like to hear more about you from if you
want to do come through with that, Marcus. The replacement
bell was engraved with the names of the crew the

(26:35):
wreck is are considered the wreck is considered a protected grave,
and no souvenirs are permitted to be removed. Someone said
Billy Joel. Billy Joel's song down Easter Alexa is another
good shipwreck song. Brian sounds like a legend, long story. Sure,
I love his music to his stories. Good on you anyway,

(26:57):
I get in touch you on talk about the ed
of the record, the Edinfitzgerald, the song or the wreck
or anything else you want to mention tonight, looking forward
to you input twenty away from nine. I will keep
your data with the news. Also, we'll chuck some other
topics into the mix to get us through too. If
you want to talk about jelly roll, if that was
something that you were affected by, I'm kind of curious
about that, and I will do what I can to

(27:20):
keep my day with the news around the world too tonight.
So eight hundred eighty, ten eighty and nine to nine
to the ticks. You want to be part of the show,
looking forward to what you've got to say? Yeah, three
thousand HICCD is of the National Park has been lost
with that fire. I guess it'll grow back, but it's

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going to look like a scarf for a while I
was servant, seen great photos of it. There's a bit
of footage on the TV news tonight. But do come
through if you want to be about that. As I say, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine to nine. To
keep those emails coming through. You got saying to email,
look forward to your contributions tonight, maritime disasters and all
those elk. But yeah, feel free to get in touch.

(28:07):
Quite a deep lake for a four hundred and ten
meters deep, am I right?

Speaker 12 (28:12):
That?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
So it'd be a hard wreck to kind of get
down to. But they did, they found it well, someone
will know, but I think it was not locked that
long after Yeah, four hundred and six meters sorry, average
depth of one hundred and forty seven meters, maximum depth
of four hundred and six meters, the deepest of the

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five Great Lakes. Nineteen away from nine. If you want
to be a part of the show, looking forward to
what you've got to say back in a bit seventeen
away from nine. All the lines are free if you
want to come through. I talk about the wreck of
the infants, you're and the song and Gordon Lightfoot in general.
I'm sure some of you will have something to say
about that fifty years ago today the loss of twenty
nine oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine to

(28:56):
nine two to text any they else you want to
fear come through about pel Fred gives a call as
I say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, I can
tell you to a few hours in christ Church m
The Papanui rs have talked about this a lot, but
the Papanoui RSA is closing. I'm just trying to work it.

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When the story came through. Yes, so it's closed on Saturday.
I think it says glasses will be raised for a
last toast after the last post rings for the final
time at the Papenu Return and Service Association on Saturday.
This was written three days ago, so it will have happened.
The club has been the home of one of chrost
Chutche's most successful Antic Day commemorations, but its bar and

(29:40):
restaurant has been failing for years as punters turned elsewhere,
forcing the club to close its doors. It's what's happened
the days leading up to its closed. The club's present
BJ Clark remembered some highlights, such as the skits they
put on with the x Navy men dancing in the
navy or when they dressed the bar and a skirt
for a gender bending performance. Cheap as the former Army

(30:03):
engineer respect countless. How the RSA collicked with the current
informers of p people and many more trying to find
ways to keep it afloat. But membership went from fifteen
hundred to four hundred and it was hemorrhaging money in
the past three years. It lost three on forty eight thousand.
So there we go. That's done. Its dash. David's Marcus welcome,
good evening.

Speaker 13 (30:24):
Yeah, hi, Marcus, Just did I give you an update
on the TEAMU situation. I have recently played the Perpernui
Rasa and I was wearing Timu top and bottom.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Great. When were you there?

Speaker 14 (30:39):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (30:40):
I've been there twice this year. The first time was
locally reconnaissance. I got around about four clubs in five days,
one of them being the Papa Nui. That was a
second club I went to. It was about probably three
months ago.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Because christ Judge always was a place with all the clubs,
the cozy clubs and everything. But they're struggling, are they.

Speaker 13 (30:59):
Yeah, it was struggling. I was told then that they
were on their last leaks, so I knew it was
coming in there. I mate from down that when Kroscher's
put a post up today, he was at the service
for the final farewell. When I first saw it, I
thought it was like, ok. I thought, hell, this is
a bit of an early ends as parade. But yeah, yeah,
good club.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Not always, but why would they not survive? People just
doing different things that are drinking at home? Are they?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Look?

Speaker 13 (31:26):
I played the Razz pretty much every weekend in the
and cozies, and they're all on the last leagues. I
think it'll only be another generation before they're all gone.
They'll be there, there'll be restaurants in another twenty to
thirty years, I reckon that's that.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
So what changed for Kazi clubs to no longer be viable, Well.

Speaker 13 (31:46):
I think, like the essays, it's a generation thing. You know,
it's time to change because we're not small communities and
villages anymore where everybody goes down to be locals. Kids
go all over the place, and it's you know, and
and we're becoming less connected to that era of you know,
First and Second World War guys. Kids for they don't
don't know or appreciate it, and that rather go to town

(32:08):
and the older people are here, I say, you know
that they're they're toobling off sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And the food probably the food's pretty old school. People
eat different stuff now too, don't they. The kind of
pellettes become slightly more zesty, right.

Speaker 13 (32:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 14 (32:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (32:25):
I mean the food that most of them is great.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, but it's steak and chips or chicken in a
basket and people have kind of that's fine, But they
don't want that every night, do they.

Speaker 10 (32:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (32:34):
Yeah, as I hadn't thought of that.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (32:37):
I mean the thing that the thing that's keeping them
alive at the moment is well, one of the things
is this huge worldwide rebirth of the enjoyment of country music,
which has brought line dancing back into the fora. And
there's line dancing clubs all over New Zealand that go
to rases and coffee. So the floors are full of people.
You know, you're getting people through the doors. But that's

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that's when I do my shows. That's that's most of
my audience, local country line dancing groups and local rock
and roll clubs.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
But they don't take this the wrong way. But if
you know the local essays having line dancing, most of
us would want to stay the hell clear, wouldn't we?

Speaker 13 (33:13):
Yeah, well you say most of this, but there's there's
there's a big enough community of those live dances.

Speaker 12 (33:19):
I know.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
But you're canibalizing your audience. You're saying, Okay, we're going
to double down on line dance, and you think we'll
hang about. You know, I used to go the ariz
but every time I go there takey breaking heart. Not
doubting it, but there is a resurgence.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
But yeah, but not Dave.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
When you say the Kazi clubs, the cozy clubs, am
I wrong? They're not to do with the war, are they?
There's something quite different, aren't they.

Speaker 13 (33:46):
Yeah, you're right there, but I mean, for I'm coming from,
the audience is very similar, similar age, some similar kind
of a feel to the place here. I occasionally play
memory with Cosey Club, which is huge, it's massive, and Weymouth.
There are two very different places. Weymouth's old building Menory

(34:08):
was quite new, you know, it's been a fortune only
about ten years ago or eight years ago. And they're
they're struggling too. You know, they don't get they don't
get the people through the door that they used to
back in the day. We never don't go out so much.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
And you never see them promoted either, do you You
never see come to the I mean I'd never think
of going to one. I think we've got a working
men's club too. I've been down here, have probably been
to about a dozen times. But it's it's you almost
normost end up there at a Christmas party or something.
It's it's good, but I think you want to go
every week.

Speaker 13 (34:41):
Well, so as soon as I keep we're all on Facebook,
and I believe that you don't spend too much time
on it, and I.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Spent I spend a bit of time on I spent
I don't post. I've spent a bit of time looking
on it.

Speaker 13 (34:51):
Yeah, because I mean just tonight I fought the advertising
to the Memory a Closet Club. It's Carlie Austin and
Lynx Greeds and the Lex Greeves. That's Kevin Greeves brother
near kind of a big deal. They'll get a really
good audience on Saturday or Sunday for this show. You know,
they do advertise, but I suppose I see it because

(35:11):
I play at these places.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Is the hard way for you to make a living?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Dave.

Speaker 13 (35:17):
Oh look, I'm driving through the gates of work right now.
I've got a real job. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's
just some fun on the side. And fortunately it turns
out in my life that the fun on the side
pays me nicely.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yes, its like that's like me and talk back.

Speaker 13 (35:32):
Yes, yeah, as suppos's I still pinch myself every now
and then.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Cheapest people pay me to do that.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, me too, Hobby broadcast and nice to talk that, Dave,
nine away from nine and or midnight tonight. Oh wait,
one hundred and eighty. It's a bit of everything. We'll
check that in the mix. But also to you want
to talk about the the great Lakes or the evening
you might have been to Duluth. I love people talking
about the great Lakes that have been there. I always
enjoy people's travel stories. Think if it's something interesting that
I haven't been. I've been to Niagara, I've been to Buffalo.

(36:01):
I've been to Niagara. It was a long long time ago,
and it looks like something of a Jim Jarmusch movie.
It was pretty bleak midwinter. I guess must have been December.
Back at you six from nine, looking forward to your calls, Calvin,
AT's Marcus good evening?

Speaker 8 (36:20):
Oh Marcus, are you good?

Speaker 12 (36:22):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (36:22):
Wasn't there something in that song that the hatches were
closed open when it stunk? Because then they found the
boat and they found the hatches were closed, and is
it Gordon like that had to rewrite?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Think, think, think, I think I remember that from other stories.

Speaker 8 (36:42):
Yeah, was that true enough? I've never found out that
it's actually gospel than whether it was just hearsay. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I think you're right because it says when supper time came,
the old cook came on deck, saying, fellas, it's too
rough to feed you. At seven main hatchway caved in.
He said, fellas, it's been good to know you, good
know you.

Speaker 8 (37:04):
And then when they found the boat, the hatch was closed.
It was it was closed.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Run.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
That's my recollection of other shows we've done about that.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
Yeah, are they.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I'll check that out. I like I like your
phone calls. The combination of a badline and you're singing,
it's quite kind of it's quite kind of eerie.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
But I just picked that before.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's good. I like your voice. What are you playing
it on?

Speaker 10 (38:02):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Are you playing okay? Well, I'm I mean I think
it's probably it's probably it's a long song. It's probably
a song. It's not good for repertwise, is it? Because
those are into it are into it. It's not that rocky,
is it?

Speaker 15 (38:13):
Though?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Folk songs? He gets sort of a low roof club
It might be the one, mightn't it.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
It's a bit of those songs where people probably know
the first couple of lines and after that it's a
bit hard from the sing along because there's so much
happening and people don't know all the words. It's a
bit like, you know, the American Pie song and you know, found.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
The first one they just get into.

Speaker 8 (38:38):
Yeah, it's the first of the first chorus, it's all right.
Then everyone goes, I can't remember what the hell goes
on there?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And in the terrible song, isn't it? Because it's sort
of meaningless in the end too, it's too ambitious American Pie?

Speaker 8 (38:51):
Oh yeah, yeah. Well they asked if they asked Ole
McLain years ago, I member the things they asked me.
What it meant? He said, Well, it just means I
don't have to work again.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, but it turned into not be not a very
nice person either did and he wasn't he up for
spousal look I should it wasn't there some Yeah, don't
think it worked well from Yeah.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
There was something about along those lines, one that's like, yeah,
maybe see I said to somebody who was I was
watching a bit of a documentary on Hank Williams and
know when he was in And I said, how come
all these people could be so brilliant with what they'd
do and yet they could be proper assholes or drunks

(39:35):
and popped on this or that the other thing and
then you know.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Talent just before you go it, says, convinced by the
evidence presented an episode of a new Canadian made for
TV documentary, Dive Detective Gordon knight For has changed the
lyrics of his song to remove the implication that human
era played a part in the sinking of the ship.
He's not re recording the song, but he's already changed
a line for live performances. He was pretty impressed. I

(40:03):
saw the film Nuvidents and unsecured hatch covers didn't cause
the thinking the traditional verse went, when summertimes comes, the
old cook came on the deck and he's changed that.
I'll have to say it after the news because I'm
out of time, Calvin, but we'll start the next hour
with that. But thanks for pointing that out. Oh it's
been a very pleasant meandering through the evening so far. Tonight,

(40:23):
welc if you want to get in touch. We are
talking about the record them Fitzgerald. It's fifty years ago
today that that ship sank and Lake Superior, killing twenty nine.
But not famous because that, because there's no shortage of
people that died in shipwrecks. With a shipwreck was famous
because of the song. It's a great song, and through
the song you get to know the shipwreck, and the
shipwreck is heroin. It was a skipper's captain's last journey,

(40:47):
and the waves were high as they get in the
lake because it's like a dish, and it would have
been terrifying. It's one thing to die at sea, but
it's another thing to die knowing that you've been terrified
and knowing you're about to die. I always think, because
not only are you dead, your last hours have been

(41:08):
hours of absolute terror. That's the tragedy of a shipwreck
for most of them, isn't It is too close to
home to say that. Anyway, we are talking about the
wreck of the Afforants, we're also talking about the clubs
and the fact that the clubs are dying, with the
Papa Nui Aisa finally doing its ode for the very
last time. And in fact, the caller before the news, Dave,

(41:30):
said the reason the clubs haven't died sooner was because
of the resurgence of line dancing. So I don't know
what you want to make of line I've never once
line danced, but seemly coming back all the time. What
I liked was clogging. Remember that guy that was begin clogging.
I think it's called clogging, which you do in sort

(41:51):
of the appellations. That guy in kind of old and
odd genes that did clogging that was good. Sounds a
funny sounding with clogging. He doesn't tell like what it is,
but I think that's when you dance with a bit
like line dancing, but with clogs. Texts. Keep those texts
coming through range or a RSA club most successful the country,

(42:12):
membership growing all the time. That can't be right. Marcus
the Great Lakes de camped through the locks of Saint
Lawrence Seaway and the Gulf of Florence and the Atlantic.
There are cruise ships doing tourists from the northeast USA
into the Great Lakes. Lake Champlain is sometimes referred to
as the SIF sixth Great Lake. It connects the Hudson
River to Saint Lawrence Seaways in Vermont, New York State,

(42:34):
and Quebec Marcus. This weekend we flew from christ Jews
to Auckland and home again for Jilly Roll. We're awaiting
from three pm to get in, only to find out
he candled his show five minutes before it was meant
to start. We spend one thousand dollars for nothing. A
bit of communication goes a long way. We have re
angry and feel let down. I want to know where

(42:56):
all those people went. Did the town go off with
all those Jelly Roll lost tribe people wandering and finding
somewhere to go. I want to talk about that also.
So we've got Jelly Roll, we've got the wreck of
the Edmund Fitzgerald, and we've got the clubs that aren't
doing so well, the Arisa and the Cozi clubs. That's
the show so far tonight. If you want to chime

(43:19):
in on these things, would be good to hear from you.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two
to text. Welcome people. By the way, tw eight hundred
hectares is twenty eight square kilometers or seven kilometers by
four kilometers. That's a big area. It's a free big area.

(43:40):
That's how much has been damaged on. But they'll be
what will be affected at those because if you've done
the tongue are crossing lately in the last thirty years,
there thousands do that. They'll be quite affected by that.
But anyway, that's what we're about tonight. If these are
topics you can contribute about, then that would be good.
A couple of things about the Edmund Fitzgerald There is
an Edmond Fitzgerald Lego set which is revery interesting. I

(44:06):
had a parody.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Is it a real one?

Speaker 8 (44:07):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's real bricks, but not endorsed by Lego. I'd like
a bigger one. It doesn't like it's got enough bricks
in it. To me, it's not like the Titanic. The
other thing I'd like to say to you is there's
even parody songs for the record the Edmond Fitzgerald, which
I thought was disrespectful, But there you go. I'm not
playing those I can promise you about that. But get
in touch if you want to a pine on the
show tonight. As I say, oh, eight hundred and eighty

(44:31):
and nine texts would like to hear from you, give
you three or four topics tonight. But we are also
talking is the backtop of the Edmon Fitzgerald. I will
play the song sometime tonight. I won't be playing the
song parody. That would be disrespectful, partecularly with a day
of those twenty nine dying, but such a fent lyrically,
such a fantastic song. So that's what we're right about tonight.

(44:52):
If you want to be in touch, but heit Tel
twelve is something different. You want to mention feel free
by the way to the people on the chase today
won the money. This is the New Zealand Chase with
Paul Henry. There were four went to the final chase, yes,
full house, so they get four to start. It was
against the nerd who looked his irritating self. I just

(45:15):
watched it, wasn't partaking in it. And they won and
they got ten thousand dollars each, So that's exciting. Would
they be ensured for that? I don't know how the
finances that would work. Looks like they're blowing the budget
to film in Australia to save money. Surprised they had
that much money to give away. Anyway, people seem to

(45:37):
be loving it, So that's good. Eight hundred and eighty
and nine nine two to text twelve past nine, Ethan,
this is Marcus good evening day?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Much?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
How are Ethan?

Speaker 14 (45:54):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (45:54):
Great?

Speaker 11 (45:55):
Thanks God? That the very memorable day to day. I
feel like it'specially not recognized enough anymore as they used to.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
You wonder why you think the Yanks would make a
big thing at song dance about it, wouldn't you?

Speaker 11 (46:08):
I think that it just it's really disappointing. Actually, I
mean I grew up listening to that song thanks to
old Uncle Robbie. But you know, we always get the
reminder today, you know, so Vember tenth, the great day
was or terrible day? Really, but I think it's really
important to celebrate.

Speaker 12 (46:25):
Actually was Uncle Robbie.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Was Uncle Robbie like an uncle that was like a
folks singer. Tell me about Uncle Robbie.

Speaker 9 (46:34):
Made how I can't.

Speaker 11 (46:35):
I think he's seven year old night markets.

Speaker 14 (46:43):
The song.

Speaker 11 (46:44):
He made us memorize it. I think I, after I
hang up, might need to hear it for one more time.
It'd be be very efficial with Uncle Robbie and I
and his son Matt. I think we'd really appreciate hearing
that song.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
What else did Uncle Robbie sing Ethan?

Speaker 11 (47:00):
He sings very well?

Speaker 8 (47:01):
But what what?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
What are the songs beside the Wreck of the erin Fitzgerald?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (47:05):
He loves Johnny Cash.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Of course he would. Yeah, I reckon, if you're doing
their in Fitzgerald, you'd be end that song of stuff
and some Johnny Casualso yeah, Well, I.

Speaker 11 (47:13):
Tell you what. He sounds like him too. It's it's
just the room they're going around.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
That great gravelly voice.

Speaker 11 (47:19):
Eh Yeah's it's just so challenging.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Well, keep it lockunderneath, and no doubt we'll be mentioning
that tonight. Nice to hear from your fourteen past nine text.
If you're also talking about the clubs and Jelly Roll,
I don't like singers that come up with I mean,
the meat Loaf was fine, but Jelly Row I don't
know about that. I like the singers to have names
that sound like names. I mean, that sounds like an
old fashioned thing to say, doesn't it. Marcus. I think

(47:45):
they're piggybacked on the Australian Chase. They used the same
seat would have saved. That's what I'm saying. It looks
like such a budget show. You wonder how they felt
about losing forty grand. I guess they're insured, Marcus. My
in laws lost over a grand to attend Jelly Roll.
They're angry because it was canceled the day before. They
could have used travel insurance and been were funded an accommodation. Yeah,

(48:09):
it's pretty sketchy when people play out of concerts. Then
it gets legal a because I imagine if you're playing
and I see Lord Consult canceled Dan Luxembourg or something.
She had food poisoning. But imagine that. Imagine being a singer.
There's twenty thousand people coming to see you. He had
not on the source of Night. But I'm not saying
that's what happened. But you know it'd be tremendous pressure
to perform, wouldn't there. Marcus On YouTube, The History Mystery

(48:33):
Man does a great series about the Edmund FitzGeralds. Thank
you for that, Marcus. I saw some of the chase tonight.
Another game shows like Tipping Point. Where on Earth does
all the prize money come from they give away? I
don't get it. Well, it would just be cost of
the production. They'd get insurance for it to be averaged out.
That would be Miam. That would be when they're not
paying the contestants. So it's probably cheap stuff to make,

(48:56):
and the cost is the crew, the studio crew and
the prize money. Had meil at twelve thirty at the
working Men's Club and Richmond on Sunday. Fantastic food, very clean,
great coffee and service. Hope they are in a good
financial situation. Cheers Mary Brilliant Marcus. One of the main

(49:18):
issues of our local RSA and Birkenhead is the committee
members are on their late sixties and seventies, so when
they organize entertainment, the bands play for re old music,
which isn't attracting new members. Also, they will not let
anyone in the club that isn't a member, so the
general public have not going a chance to experience the
RSA to see if they will sign up as a member.
There you go more bricks, the better. I'm with you

(49:40):
on that, Marcus. Yhee Beach RSA is booming best one
in New Zealand, Marcus. The salinity of the Saint Lawrence
River which drains the Great Lakes to the sea. The
Saint Lawrence is wholly fresh above the city of Quebec
from then on against progressively Saltia into Saint Lawrence Lake,
dependent on tides and weather marks. Who have a great

(50:03):
line dance dancing club here in Coumeu Hornby working Men's Club,
one of the best there is. Shout out to Dave,
Oh the good texts do do with a few more
of your calls, Marcus. At a family wedding, myself, my
mate John, my cousin pull in, a random guy named
Harry who knew the bride, all ended up at the

(50:24):
same table chatting. It turned out all three of them
had the same middle name, Ann and were named after
the same person. They even showed their driver's license to
prove it. They were all named after ex Prince Andrew.
They've got no change plans to change their names in
the mid fifties, so how many others were named after him?
And will it change? Will they change it? Or live

(50:46):
with it in silence. Mac there's a question for anyone
named after Prince Andrew or the former Prince Andrew, the
prince formerly known as Andrew? And will you change what
would you change to? Marcus? This is going back a bit.
Does anyone know what the name of the ice cream
that was on different colored plastic sticks? They were great

(51:07):
for building fan frisbees. It was a good marketing gimmick.
Weren't the sticks of stencil as well? You could actually
make words with them anyway? Need your calls to like
eighteen past nine if you want to talk me too
about the reckon of them Fitzgerald, do you want to
cast the light on that? And working men's clubs? And
if you called Andrew after Prince Andrew, how do you

(51:27):
feel now that he was a wrongin Do you feel
that perhaps like birth, death, deaths and marriages should allow
you to change your name for free? Is that what
you feel? What do you feel? Yeah? I mean that's
probably because people are naming their kids after royals. They
never blot their copy book but cheapers. It's not good,

(51:51):
is it? Eighteen past nine?

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Apparently too? Someone Andrew Dickens was on last week. He
said he was named after Prince Andrew. He would have
been too, and a lot of people my age group
were named after Prince Andrew. Lot you a lot of
Andrews at school, A lot of Andrews. In fact, the
more I think, I'm surprised, and we just realized they
probably all were named after Prince Andrew. Thanks for that.

(52:18):
If Jelly Roll and meat Loaf formed a band, it
would be called jelly Meat. The chase endzed is like
task Master en z poor imitation of the originals. Oh
defend us in and task Master. I've watched that and
really enjoyed it. I've enjoyed all the task Masters, the
Aussie one, the key we won, and the and the
English one. I think they're all good. So you know what,
No I think that. I think it's not a bad thing.
I ever think the budget's not bad. Hi Marcus. We

(52:41):
recently to Stuart Island and a night at the Bluff RSA.
At the RSA, it was out of this world brilliant.
We stood to honor our fallen soldiers. The bar manager
welcomed us like locals, and we enjoyed the bun fight
for the raffles. We will never forget it. Ye's a
goody not open off, and I think it's Friday and
Saturday with the gun outside it. I've had a number
of events. They're always good. The food's free good too,

(53:03):
and certainly they wouldn't be struggling for members. I wouldn't think.
Would it be the southernmost in New Zealand? I guess
it doesn't. Think there's one in Stuart Island. Someone said
people named after Prince Andrew could change their name to Randy.
That's right. What about people named Michael after the Waco one?
Anyone out there named after anyone Dodgy that they feel

(53:24):
funny about Andrews could change their name to Edward or Charles.
I suppose they could. But be in touch if you
want to talk. Someone said, how about subsistent Andrew for
Jeffrey Marcus ten seven fifty per player, tax free for

(53:49):
the chase for an hour's work, not bad going. I'd
be in all more than our work because they'd have
to spend their whole life learning all that trivia. Let
me know if there's any good Kiwi questions, text those
through Marcus. Uncle Robbie here Ethan was correct, spent many
years teaching those boys the benefit of quality music. They
are nine members of next generation. Proud to hear him
ring up. I kind of don't know about you when

(54:11):
I thought Robbie and Ethan were probably the same person.
Did you think that Do you think that Dan? I
appreciate it. It's not like they're ringing from the muster's
hat or something. I appreciate his enthusiasm evening. Lyle Hi Marcus.

Speaker 16 (54:32):
Yeah, RADI, my father was the president of an irsay
in the nineties, and he had he's trying to bring newer,
newer bodies into the into the membership. But in those
days there were still the World War Two veterans, and

(54:54):
they were they basically taking a bit of a I
don't know, sort of a union, and they basically moved
heaven and yet to keep out people from say my
dad was in the Malayan Emergency in the late fifties,
you know, the Vietnam people, and you know, and then
later on, I think earlier this century, the Afghennis of

(55:15):
the Stone Vets and that. So to an extent, I
think they've they've brought about their own demise to an extent.
And also because the you know, when our says big
and workingmen's clubs ban you couldn't you know, rekage each
on the weekend or you know, you know they were
really even bringing restaurants or anything, but you should eat there.

(55:38):
So I think there's a combination of forces that come
and to play to sort of. But I just think
the RSA sort of in the eighties and nineties painted
themselves into a bit of a corner because all those
World War two vets are on now or most of.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Them might have the Yeah, I agree, And from my observation,
this is not about the bluff one either, because I
haven't been there enough to know. I've been to others
plenty of times, and I feel sometimes that when they're
looking for members of the committee, they often get the
person that's sitting the most at the bar because they're
they're the longest and the and that's great, the great

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club men, but they might they're not necessarily the people
with the skills to run it. Being the bar boar
is not necessarily being the right person to steer an
RSA through into more prosperous times.

Speaker 16 (56:21):
Yeah, and also I think I'm not wanting to be AGES,
but I will in sort of in the nineties, especially
the you know, when you get to a certain age level,
and you know, I'm sixty one now and my cognitive
powers aren't quite as good as we were when I

(56:42):
was thirty one. But the other essays are being run
by people in their seventies, you know, mid to late seventies.
So I think, yeah, as I say, I think they've
painting themselves into a bit of a corner to a degree.
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 14 (56:55):
Really.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
They might come back in some ways if they get
smart people. I mean, but I think that I think
the I think a lot of them in the kitchens.
You can kind of people can get leases to the
kitchens and like that becomes their business and they can
run those. And there's some you know, and if the
first good, the would get rounds and people. You know,
when I was at Peaha for a long time, there
were people there that ran it extremely well, with fresh

(57:18):
fish and all sorts, and they had a great following.
But then there always seems to be falling out in
the committee fires of people doing the kitchen. Then someone
else comes and that's not nearly as good. I can
never work out why.

Speaker 16 (57:29):
Well, I mean, I think Mike Sin's been in the nineties,
I mean, I don't even had a lot to do
with I used to go occasionally and I was in
my late twenties thirties, but it just seemed to me
that the old World War two they still just wanted
to see as their cheap drinking club and they didn't
want other people to sort of sully them, sully the

(57:50):
atmosphere with by being up say the Malaya Agency Vietnam,
you know, and then Leflie Afghanistan, although my dad had
sort of well basically my dad had died at that stage,
so but it was Yeah, I really do think that
as our sas concerned, that there a lot of them
were the authors of their own demise. But also it

(58:10):
means the same with working men's clubs. I mean a
lot of working men's clubs. In christ Nurture. I accidentally
got to leave an email from one of the weakness
clubs asking all the English to contribute to the volunteer
hoolies a sum of money to keep them solve them. Yeah, yeah,
but they see you could you know that the three

(58:30):
you know, I can lean back to, say the seventies
and we could go and eat on a weekend in
the seventies and a lot many places. In most places
in New Zia and the most proficial places well the
r state, and most people have had some contact with
you know, the military ants, so I could sort of

(58:51):
ranger away. In both days, it was the Returned Services Association.
Now it's the return End Services Association to encourage more
people to to you know, who hadn't been you know,
a way to war or whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
But I've just got to. And it left your father
with the malaria the malaria emergency. Were they recognized with
medals for.

Speaker 16 (59:13):
That, yes, but it took a while, and the Malayan
the Malaysian government actually years and years later, just after
my dad died. I think my dad died in nineteen nineteen.
Just after that that they issus a needle as well,
because it was considered an imergency. Didn't want to call

(59:34):
it the war. It was a two year war. It
was like a Vietnam, just part of Vietnam. And they
had like they had helicopters, but not that many helicopters,
and they were pristically into in helicopers. And my dad said,
you know, in hot and high conditions.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Who were the aggressive.

Speaker 16 (59:51):
H the willers sponsored probably by China.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I think, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's extremely good. That's
an extremely good summing.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Up of it.

Speaker 16 (01:00:03):
Okay, no ways, aren't I just lovely to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Thanks so much for that. Yeah, I don't know much
about that. I've sort of heard it in passing the
anti British National Liberation War guerrilla war fought in Malay.
I don't know how many Kiwi triops went there. Nine
forty eight, so not long after World War Two, the
Malayan emergency. Oh yeah, email here from James Marcus. I

(01:00:28):
got a flight to walk them from Nelson to attend
jelly Roll. My flight's accommodation tickets came to thirteen hundred.
I put a claim through travel Insurance. They inform me
my claim will be declined due to cancelation being on
the day. Unacceptable. The people running the show should be
paying up, James. Yeah, I guess that. I guess if

(01:00:53):
you're a musician, you wait till that day to cancel.
So it's yeah, I don't know what the solution is
to that. I would have thought that something else spontaneously
would have happened. All the jelly rollers wandering around the
Inn West. Probably I thought they would have congregated and
done something. That's what I would have thought would have happened.

(01:01:13):
I don't know what that was, what the weather was
like an Aukland Sunday night. But yeah, that's the problem
with Concer, isn't It was like Elton John when it
rained with it with the floods that two years ago. Now,
So you don't know the answer to that, can you sue?
Who would you see? I suppose you can't. I don't
even know people have insurance. I think it was cycling Gabriel,

(01:01:36):
wasn't it. Yeah, So yeah, do get in touch you
on and talk. We I to talk about the Edmond
Fitzgerald and all all sorts of other stuff tonight too.
But it was this day and fifty years ago the
edminit Fitzgerald sunk, which is probably after the Titanic, would
be one of the world Well no, I wouldn't be,
but certainly one of the most remembered and celebrated shipwrecks.
Can you celebrate a shipwreck because of the song that

(01:01:58):
was such an eerie song? Get you Goomy, Kevin. It's Marcus.
Good evening, Hello Marcus Keven here, Hi Kevan, thank you
for calling.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Oh sorry mate, Yeah, I'm the chieven of Palmers and North. Yes,
Edmund first, still very interesting subject, and I do agree
it's a very airy song, and that's what the legion
was brought around. I struck up a pen friend relationship
with the guy David Holt. He lived in a Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

(01:02:32):
and he was a former seafarer on one of the boats,
and he had sailed on the Fitztialdan previous times. Wow
and well anyway, at that sist of the time, and
I started my corresponding was about eighty nine, and I

(01:02:53):
told him what I had done in the New Zealand
maritime industry as a lighthouse keeper, and he invited me
over to the States to attend the fifteenth anniversary of
the Firstial sinking.

Speaker 17 (01:03:07):
And so I did go up there, and he.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Drove me all the way from Milwaukee up to Duluth
and we had the fifteenth anniversary sinking in Marcus, Ireland,
in the port of Superior, where she'd sailed from, and
I met Captain Jesse Cooper, who was a captain of
the Arthur Anderson, who was about two hours behind the

(01:03:34):
fifth year old when she sailed that night that morning,
I should say later that on the the middle of
the afternoon on the sent of November. They sailed as
alongside the fifth Yearald because the captain reported a list
of starboard and the handra was there. And anyway, I

(01:04:00):
actually talked to Jesse Cooper at the anniversary in ninety
ninety and he had some various interesting things to say,
and it was quite I kept up mcaus wonder was David.

Speaker 9 (01:04:15):
He dead now?

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
But Jesse Cooper died two about ten years ago. But
I just thought i'd pop that through to you and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yelderson's what was some of the interesting stuff he had
to say.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Kevin Well, his first mate, contacted the Fitzgerald their last
transmission about seven o'clock that night on the tenth, and
he said, oh, by the way, how are you getting
on with your list problem? And by that time they'd
pulled them behind the Fitzgerald and.

Speaker 10 (01:04:49):
Mature.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
He came back and said, we are holding our own
those were his words, apparently, and then they called them
back about ten minutes later and there was no response.

Speaker 15 (01:05:02):
So there is a.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
A bit of a controversy as to the hatch covers
they reckon. They were insecurely fastened when she loaded.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And that means that means they would blow over, They
would blow open and water would get in there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
In course, well they were too heavy to blow over.
What would the se would have done that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
What would be the problem then that once it listed
the water would get in there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Well, all they got to do. See, iron ore is
a dead weight. It's not a live weight like the
tachonode palets l they are. You know, how can I
explain it? A dead weight as if you fill a
plastic bag full of water and try to lift it.
And the live weight is if you put that plastic

(01:05:48):
bag of water into the freezer and freeze it and
then lift it much easier. That's a live weight. And
so with the iron ore being a dead weight, would
have turned to clay with the witness it's a bit
like wheat. It's the most dangerous targer to carry on
a vessel in eight years in the mention and that

(01:06:10):
I think that sealed her fate myself and my own opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So tell me how then tell me how the hatch
covers plays into how how would why it wouldn't survive
that weather?

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Well, in the seas that run on the Great Lakes,
like any lake, there's roughest buggery and they can there's
a lot of force behind it. Ah as the seas
washed over the deck, that long deck, we all haste
the right to the front accommodation, and right at the rear,

(01:06:42):
at the stern and in the middle there's nothing just
the hatch covers, and the seeds would have washed across them.
So she is virtually down to a gunnels and then
she she they reckon. She hit some rocks just off
from I forgot the name of the island, just a
white White's point there. She may have just nudged them

(01:07:04):
and that would have been enough to start renting Mahule
and she would have gradually made water. And with the
stormy conditions at the time, and she would have just
done gradually turned on to her starboard side and rolled under.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
With the commemorations you went to you said it was
fifteen years Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Yes, in November nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Okay, And yeah, people were at peace with It's not
a lot of it. It's not one of those things
that but there was anger about was there was just
sed has been accepted.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
That that it was, Yeah, it was seen as accepted
because losing a life in the in the duty of
being at sea is very much part of Mariton life.
I even saw that here in New Zealand and overseas.
Transport to its very much a risk of the job.

(01:08:01):
You just got a you know, grin and Barrett sort
of thing. I keep come and carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, did you did you? Were you on ships on
the Great Did you did you in your time there?
Did you go on the any vessels on the Great Legs?

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
No?

Speaker 18 (01:08:14):
Yes, I was.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
I was a radio officer and I was trained under
Marconi Corporation and.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
In Essex and uh.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
I went from San Diego through the Panama Canal and
threw up to Duluth, through the Salon Seaway onto a
Superior and through to Duluth and I left the ship
there and I went to another job, so to speak.

(01:08:47):
So that was what's a or four week trip, I
think it was. We were running in ballast, so that's
that's why we could pass at Penma Canal. The Federal
Ottawa was the name of the ship. And she was
in the war boat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Okay, And what's what's the what was the good on
the lakes when you were I mean, they must they
must seem like you're they're vast aren't they.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Yeah, they are. It's like being at sea. All that's
by the way. Justinally, you know you probably know this anyway,
but the term Gurmi as mentioned in Gordon Lightfoot song,
that means that's chipper Indian translation for the great shining sea. Yes, yeah,

(01:09:32):
that's that's.

Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
What that's what that means.

Speaker 10 (01:09:34):
That's why I was sold.

Speaker 18 (01:09:34):
Anyway.

Speaker 10 (01:09:35):
Anyway, we went across the lake.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
It was glassy came you know, of course it was.
I suppose it was like like Lake tap on a
fine sailing day. I guess not quite as big though.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Hell, little Kevin, I'm going to run. But look, thank
you so much for calling. I find out very very interesting,
So I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Twenty away
from ten looking for to you called eight eighth one
of the questions on the Chase to Night. You might
be interested what was discovered in Gabriel's gully in eighty sixty?
Was it oil, gold or dinosaur bones? The supernerd said

(01:10:10):
dinosaur bones. I think all Kiwis would know that the
eighteen sixty is gold, So there we go. Yeah, I've
kind of find Yeah, it's weird that they've got Australian
chaser and a British chaser. When some of the questions
done New Zealan questions, they quite fully understand that we're
also talking about people that are called Andrew. Do you

(01:10:32):
feel rapped off now that Andrew appeared to I mean
Andrew is a chancer or worse what we say about Andrew. No,
God always had the reputation from grumpy to his staff,
and you're now being found out. So what do you
do if you called Andrew after Prince Andrew? I suppose
it's just a name, isn't it. But you might want

(01:10:54):
to mention that people are saying we didn't realize equal
Andrew didn't realize. Do you'll get to those texts? Eke
my third son's name as Andrew. I never thought of
the collation or the connection with the former print until tonight.
He might we might need therapy, someone says, while we're

(01:11:15):
hearing the same calls. So I heard last night, Well
they must be on what are they on? Dan on Demand? Marcus?
Try being called Karen these days? Karen? Ah, Yeah, I
don't know how.

Speaker 8 (01:11:28):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I think anyone that rings this show and says the
name is Karen, I think they're doing forevery well, because
Karen's a tricky name to have these days. Although it
will blow over, I don't think Karen's will be Karen's forever.
Will they when this phrase has done its dash, haven't they?
Or maybe it might stick around. I don't know. I
don't know how to decare in a society. If you

(01:11:48):
want any breaking news, If you've got any breaking news,
we have to about the infants to do, you'll but
anything else you want to talk about. Feel free to
come through, Feel free, you are welcome, I guess is
what I mean to try to find it, always trying
to find different ways to say that you are welcome
to come through if you want to be on air tonight.
I'm very curious to know why the people that went
up to Auckland for jelly Roll didn't do more exciting.

(01:12:10):
I guess that lot of people were out of their
comfort zone. They had no friends in the big city,
I didn't know where to go, and probably if it
wasn't jelly Roll, they hadn't got anything worked out what
to do. But yes, it's a shame they didn't get
more notice because they could have got refunds. But that's

(01:12:31):
what we are talking about. Tonight. Oh, I did end
up watching the final of Celebrity Traitors. You should go
and watch. So that's quite a good show for those
people that missed. That was quite fun. I try to
encourage a lot of people to watch it, but there
was a sort of resistance to it. But yeah, I
enjoyed it. Thought it was great. But yeah, if you

(01:12:52):
come across there, it's worth watching. But you'd have to
be quick because I'm sure people find out. It'll be
common knowledge who the winner was before. But I think
it'd still be good funny. But if you knew what happened,
so yeah, it's never a problem anyway. Fourteen away from
ten if you want to talk on any my name
is Marcus Well. Maritime Stories and ships and I like
that about the dead weight and the live weight. I
thought it was quite interesting. Do come through if you

(01:13:14):
want to talk. Fourteen to ten. I've been saving to
read this article Tonight's from NPR. It's just to commemorate
the fifty years of the loss of the Edmond Fitzgerald.
It's a pretty interesting background, but so bear with me.
I'll try and read and make as interesting as possible.
No one was more surprised than goodon Lightfoot when is
ballad The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald became one of

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the biggest hits of seventy six, less than a year
after the disaster it commemorates. The Canadian musician had agonized
over writing the song in the first place. He fared
being inaccurate, corny, or worse, appearing to exploit a tragedy
for profit. But more than that is a fellow salor
and a child of the Great Lakes. This song, whatever
it was, was deeply personal. The success of Lightwood Song

(01:13:57):
elevated the Edmund Fitzgerald's place in popular history, but its
tragedy was hardly unique. From eighteen seventy five to nineteen
seventy five, there were six thousand commercial shipwrecks on the
bottom of the Great Lakes, so that in one ship,
that is one shipwreck a week every week for a century.
That is one casualty every day for a century. And

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while shripwrecks may have been common, the Edmun fitzeriald was
not named, perhaps ironically for the present of the insurance
company that paid for its construction. The freighter had been
described as a freshwater Titanic. It was in fact the
greatest ship on the Great Lakes. When it launched in
Detroit in nineteen fifty eight, fifteen thousand people came out

(01:14:43):
to see the launch. It had been launched, the launching.
When it went through the Sioux Locks or Detroit or
de Loot, people would wait half a day to see
the ship come through. It was a rock star. And
it goes on to say Great Lakes maritime trade first
took off of the seventeen seventies as wealthy Europeans clamored
for luxurious beaver pelts. Two centuries later, hundreds of long

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ships crowded the five inland seas, carrying lumber, limestone, copper, cars, crops,
and iron from Canada in the Midwest down the Saint
Lawrence Seaway that eventually leads the Atlantic. The Edminan Fitzgerald
is loaded with twenty six thousand tons of palettes containing
iron are when it sank to slip through the narrow
Sioux Lock. Such chips are only seventy five feet wide.

(01:15:30):
That is less than the space from home but plate
to first base. What's the problem with that? They can't
handle rough seas, and the Great Lakes do get rougher
over the winter. Even more so than the ocean. Salt
helps regulate and wake down waves, so salt freshwater waves
can become huge and erratic. The Edin fitzgerals caught in

(01:15:51):
a savage storm with hurricane force winds around one hundred
miles an hour and waves of sixty feet. So there
you go. That's a bit of a background of that.
It's a great background. Actually it's nine away from ten
catches soon. Oh by the way, two for those fe
ends of radio. John Lawes has died today.

Speaker 12 (01:16:08):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Well what was he He was a celebrated, celebrated He
was an Australian talk host, one of the highest paid
broadcasters involved in Australia radio. I think he got himself
in trouble with cash for comment, didn't he. I think

(01:16:31):
there was kind of tricks within his background. A bit
of check on that one anyway, broadcast with the Century
Paul Keendon calledham. So yeah, that's a situation there. John
Law's very famous talk host. But yeah, he wasn't without controversy.

(01:16:53):
Just put that out there broadcast for a long long time.
So I didn't actually know that. Dan just told me
about that, So there we go. That's something that's happened.
But Lion's three. If you want to talk on each night,
it's five away from five way from ten o'clock. We're
talking about the record Edin Fitzgerald. Oh, by the way,
I read the rest of that article, I think was interesting. Actually,

(01:17:18):
I think we've covered most of that one. But yeah,
it does say according to the author of this article,
ultimately the record of Edvan Fitzgerald helped change safety standards.
There has not been a single major commercial shipwreck on
the Great Lakes for the past fifty years, but since
as they're quite narrow ships and probably quite dangerous, so

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there we go. Seece. When Gordon Lightfoot read news accounts,
the tragedy didn't feel far away. He was an experienced
Great Lakes sailor who knew those waters well. He kept
noodling with a ballot about the disaster during breaks while
recording his Album's Summertime Dream in seventy six, his band
made a studio engineer eventually talked Lightfoot into trying it
out in the Gales of November. Drummer Bill Keene said

(01:18:02):
that the first take was the version ended up on
the album. We all just played what we felt, and
that's how the six and a half minute folk dirge
with no hook, no guitar solo and twenty eight two
line standards became a hit when it came out in
seventy six. The Wreck of the Infitz Steward was the
number two song and the bill would hot one hundred
right after Rod Stewart's Tonight's the night I was going

(01:18:25):
to say, today's Lightfoot song is treasured by the families
of sailors who died. The singer became close to these
families and attended their reunions to commemorate the tragedy, and
he established a scholarship fund at the Great Lakes Maritime Academy,
which lost a cadet and alumnus with the freighter sank.
On many occasions, cadets had an opportunity to meet him
when Lightfoot performed in the area, and there we go.

(01:18:48):
That's the information. I've got fewfeld to talk about that
or anything else. We are talking also a little bit
about RSAs and cozy clubs tonight they're having a tough time.
We talked a bit about the Malaya instant. We're also
talking a bit about the Chase Australia, or the chase
in which is in Australia, Marcus, when are those Mitchland
chefs coming to New Zealand. We don't really need them here.

(01:19:09):
I think they've already been. I think they've been and
done their judging. Someone said we don't need them here.
I can't stand Robin Gordon Ramsey. I like Jamie Oliver
as he's down to earth. What a waste of time money.
I'd say that Ramsey was more down to worth. I
always thought old Oliver was a bit putting it on,
But yeah, you never know, Marcus. How I wroted that

(01:19:30):
the two disasters, the Edmund Fitzgerald and Pike rivers Shire,
are similar theme. Lots of things that went terribly wrong
and no conclusive outcome, twenty nine killed in both and
no one to blame or take responsibility. Fair enough, And
someone else texts my family joke that I was named
after my eldest sister's free first boyfriend, truth as I

(01:19:51):
am named after the patron saint of Scotland. Very good
looking forward if you want to start the next hour people,
I'm looking forward to your calls. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. If you want to text, it's nine
two nine two hit t L twelve. Get in touch.
My name's Marcus Welcome. Seven past ten. We are talking,
amongst other things, directly them Fitzgerald because it's fifty years
today since she's had combed in the lake. We're also

(01:20:14):
talking about anything else you want to mention. Someone said
during the inquiry into the founding, one of the crew
reported in the storm, the EDMINFITZERIALD would sink like a surfboard.
In the end, she sud comed to Swiss cheese syndrome.
No one felt doom to all the holes in design, pilotage,
weather and construction finally found the way through.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
It's Marcus good evening, Gooday, Marcus HWI Steve here, Hi,
Steve welcome.

Speaker 10 (01:20:42):
Good.

Speaker 14 (01:20:42):
Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
Just want to keep your thoughts on.

Speaker 13 (01:20:45):
The all black scenario at the moment and how Scott Robinson.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Hey, you feel Scott Robinson's doing in the job.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Well, he's keeps winning, yeah, but are they all buying in?
Do you think I just think rugby's changed. I didn't.
I watched the game in Ireland, but I was interested
and the I didn't find the Irish match res very interesting.
So I just think I just think rugby is a
little bit kind of scattered at the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
Yeah, you know, you think he's doing better than.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Then his predecessor.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Well, it seems to be winning tight matches.

Speaker 18 (01:21:26):
Yeah, I see.

Speaker 15 (01:21:28):
Personally, I just think I think there's something missing from
from the all blax culture and and from from years
years gone by.

Speaker 16 (01:21:37):
Would just yeah, just love to start a conversation.

Speaker 15 (01:21:40):
I'm stuck at sort of Justic's night working working night
shift on a on a lonely forklifts, and I just oh, yeah,
get other people's opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
I'll check it am on the National Gamers Steve. Normally,
when I'm here in this seat, I find out if
people aren't happy. But no one's been quibbling in the
last couple of weeks that I've noticed. I think people
are happy with him.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
Yeah, no, I feel that.

Speaker 13 (01:22:04):
No, No, I see what you mean. But well countries
and you get a couple of wins.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yes, what's your set up? You got you got like
headphones with radio in them?

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Yeah yeah, I've just got the old muster of the
radio on them.

Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
Logistics down on.

Speaker 8 (01:22:21):
Christ So what do you what are you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
What are you forklifting around?

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Just milk at the moment, Just milk, Yeah, just milk.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Yeah, well throw the discussion. We'll see what we can
find out, Stee. But nice to hear from your ten
past ten Lawrence Marcus welcome.

Speaker 12 (01:22:39):
Yeah. I think the old reversing beeple would drive you crazy,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah, I'm sure. I don't know if what are you
allowed to wear headphones on it on a fork because
you might't have to be spatially aware, mightn't you?

Speaker 12 (01:22:52):
I think you said he was, Yeah, I see twenty
twenty three they actually rang the bell thirty times.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Yeah, there was one extra, wasn't there?

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
Was it for it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Was it for for Gordon Lightfoot?

Speaker 12 (01:23:05):
See you're like for died?

Speaker 14 (01:23:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Yeah, sorry that was for him?

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
Was it?

Speaker 12 (01:23:13):
It was for him?

Speaker 11 (01:23:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
That's that's beautiful. That's quite that's quite moving.

Speaker 10 (01:23:17):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:23:20):
The Yeah, it's when you're talking about the RSA is
going to line dancing if there were, if if there
was ever one line lance that I might do, Should
I ever want to do a line dance? And that's
I don't know. If you've seen Copperhead Road, there's a
line dance they do the copy Head Road. They do

(01:23:41):
it at funerals, they do it at parties, you know,
it's sort of it's quite, it's done well, it's it
might be I might be tempted to have a crack at.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Because you're not going to lie down. You're not going
to lie down to the wrecord the Fitzgerald.

Speaker 12 (01:23:54):
Are you no.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
You've seen Gordon Lightfoot? Have you performed?

Speaker 12 (01:24:01):
I haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:24:02):
I was in Canada, you know, and when he was
in the Heydays ninety sixty seven through to sixty nine,
and you know, he was old, gaudy Likefoot was, you know,
the Love of the Nation. But I didn't never never
saw him live. But come seventy five, seventy six when
he did that song. I actually I was up in

(01:24:23):
summer then for about four years, and I sort of
didn't really register with me at the time. I wasn't
taking much interest in what was going on outside the
reef at that stage. And yeah, I sort of caught
up with it later on because I had his CD.
In fact, i'd taken his CD cassette was in those days,
and i'd actually taken it down to vander Station seventy

(01:24:46):
seventy one. Then it really got flogged on the old
But yeah, there's some great songs he touched on the
old Malaysian Emergency. When I was doing National service, A
lot of our instructors and a lot of the material
were training videos about the communist tourists as they call them,

(01:25:09):
or CTU operations, and had the different ambushes were set up,
and the instructors, you know that they had been involved
and they had to try and stop. Well, there's local
sympathizers taking getting food into them, these bags of rice

(01:25:30):
you carry, woman carrying bags of ice on their backs
and all that sort of stuff. I remember quite especially
the instructor that we had. When you're starting talking about
effective effective weapons. We were doing training and what they
call Little Malaya, you know, sort of outside of Oxford
there in Cagory, and we were talking about that we

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had at that stage. One of the I used in
the jungle was called a Stirling machine gun. It was
just a short nine milimeter was evolved from the Stein gun.
But the guy was saying, he says, if in a
circumstance where there's a woman with a bag of rice
running away from you, uh, this was pointless firing at

(01:26:16):
a because the bullets wouldn't go through the bag of rice.
He says, you should be aiming at her legs. Wow,
professional bit of advice. Basically a beg. Yeah, well, I
don't want to sort of that's those We were just

(01:26:36):
doing national service basically, And of the reality.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Does a beg of rice to flick the to flick
the bottle?

Speaker 12 (01:26:43):
It was big enough to absorb it. It was like
wet blanket at a wet blanket you reckon basically. And
and those they weren't high velocity whipping it all. Those
you know, just a very short barrel and a nine
milimeters slope. Yeah, but you know it was a graphic point.

Speaker 10 (01:27:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Well, I'll tell you what if, Laurie, you've sunk my show,
because I've got now and a half of people saying
bring back National Service. So yes, thanks for that, thanks
for that. I mean, it was some people's the greatest
member of their life was National Service, wasn't it was?

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 12 (01:27:16):
It's straining enough that in sixty seven women we were
in there. They suddenly decided, well at that stage they
were about to make a decision where they're going to
send conscripts to Vietnam, and the instructors the whole thing
went on and say, you know, once week they got
us in there and done a basic So you guys
are going to be the first lot Sinse to believe Vietnam.

(01:27:40):
And it was pretty hardcore. They even they brought an editor.
The editors are both the crisis newspapers talking about, you know,
the old Communists, the Domino theory and all this sort
of stuff to try and get sort of interested, and
a lot of material on on Viet Cong and the
dominant the domin whole Domino theory. But unfortunately the government

(01:28:06):
decided they were they had had vote on it, supposedly
or very closer to it than the Audites had just
committed to compulsory at that stage. And yeah, they thought
it was going to happen. But yeah, I'm glad it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Actually, I'd like to hear from you, Laurie, thanks so much.
Fifteen past ten dB, it's Marcus. Good evening, Hi, news
up played for you.

Speaker 18 (01:28:30):
It's all gone dark at why Holer. Oh so we
currently have a power outage.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Wow, for those who don't know, why hold a forty
minutes south of Dunedin sixty minutes forty minutes How long
that fun? It depends to what car you've got. I suppose.

Speaker 18 (01:28:47):
Yeah, everything's ten minutes away, depending on how fast you
want to drive.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
That's right. We don't know what was their allowed bang.

Speaker 18 (01:28:53):
No, No, the lights just went flip flick bang, and
everything's out. The street lights are all out, so self
power is obviously still working at the moment. Last last
power cut that last two days before it died as well.
I went four days without power after the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Storm, really, so they probably fixed it. Weird the power
was off and off and on a weekend and bluff,
and I presume that was them trying to reconnect it.
And there's probably you've got to reconfigure stuff, don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:29:25):
Yeah, Like I said, I didn't hear anything like the
lights just all went out and once I've done all
the checks to make sure that wasn't a light bulb
gone out. Yeah, look at the window and she's dark
outside as well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
You haven't got anything to say about the record the Innfitzgerald,
have you?

Speaker 18 (01:29:45):
Oh, I've had plenty. You've read out a number of
my texts. Oh okay, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
God, I'm pleased. Okay, that's unpleased about that, d B.
Thank you. Someone says Gordon Lightfoot should write a song
about the great New Zealand disaster, Pete's parking ticket in Hamilton,
the Burger King met buy has it all. I'll tell
you something I haven't told anyone before. When Pete, you know,
if you heard a guy called bring up on Friday
night to talk about Burger King and his parking thing,

(01:30:10):
I haven't told the bosses that. This year, I fell asleep.
I've never fallen asleep on the radio before. But Pete's song,
Pete's cool about about about there's such a compligans story
about parking at Burger King. I had that terrible feeling
and I went to sleep and I was almost you know,

(01:30:31):
when you're sleep, when you're dreaming about something, you think,
oh and you know what's going on? You're not sure.
And I wake up and I thought, jeepest, creepers. It
was absolutely terrifying. And I've never done that before, but
that was That's what a night of parking story did
to me. So yeah, Pete, you've done something else has
done to me. It was unbelievable. It didn't you couldn't
hear it. Good your Dan. It wasn't storing, was I

(01:30:52):
I was asleep? Yeah, I just went and I reckon
it would have been two or three seconds. So I
apologize for that. Pete, I apologize for your story because
you're kind enough to bring up and tell us your story.
It was unprofessional me as a host to fall asleep
during a call. And the only other broadcast right that's
fall asleep was Bruce Russell, who felt and he didn't

(01:31:14):
like to talk about it either. He fell asleep listening
to someone. I can sympathize anyway, get in touch if
you want to a d eighteen past ten. It is
twenty past ten people, and how are you? What's happening people?
How are you all going? Head on midnight? Obviously get

(01:31:34):
sick of saying that. Well, I don't get sick of
saying action joy saying it. But Roman's along from twelve
and yep, no new cases of measles today, that's the
good news. And n CEA has begun. They went until
the November twenty eighth, And of course there has the
fifty anniversary of the rerecord Edmin Fitzgerald and David's Marcus welcome,

(01:31:55):
good evening.

Speaker 10 (01:31:57):
Ah, when's the anniversary, you say the Edmonds?

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Soon?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
It's today?

Speaker 10 (01:32:02):
Oh you're going to play this?

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Yes, in its entirety, the legend lives on for the chapot. Yeah,
we'll do it.

Speaker 10 (01:32:09):
I enjoyed a full version.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Yeah, I'll play the full version probably the next day.
And there's been some good storyside about that too, Dave, So, yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 10 (01:32:20):
Well, I was going to mention the rugby League. I
enjoyed Samoa. The Kiwis played the excellent game. They absorbed
a lot of pressure and a rampant Samoa team, and
in the second half they showed a clean pair of
heels some point. So I enjoyed the game, and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
I think the people in the stand enjoyed it too.
With their flags.

Speaker 10 (01:32:44):
Absolutely Sidney was a buzz and the commentators. Now the
all black strip. I do like that white strip they played.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
I'm sick of the black.

Speaker 10 (01:32:55):
I'm sick of the black. A wea it too. I
think it looks good and refreshing. Anyhow, I just saw
I'd give you a bad buzz. I don't want to
send you asleep or anything send you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I guess I should have admitted it, shouldn't I No, No,
it meant nothing.

Speaker 14 (01:33:12):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:33:13):
I know Bruce Russell did once, but he was snoring.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Yeah, and I wasn't there. I hope I'd not take
it to human resources or anything, but thanks Dave. Yeah, no,
You've got to be honest. I've never even thought i
would fall asleep. It's never Una said anything I'm about
to fall asleep. But it was quite the story. Also
talk about the Papini RSA too, which has haded today.
That's closed down there we go, but getting touched in

(01:33:39):
you and talk about these or anything else eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and nine nine two Dickson Wilton
too about the reck of the Edinfist jerial because it
was this day fifty years ago. Today you might have
a story about the Great Lakes. You might be a marit,
a Mariner, or anything else that you want to say.
It would be quite a good challenge for a show,

(01:33:59):
wouldn't it when you try and put someone to sleep?

Speaker 14 (01:34:02):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Thank you for this alert from the Using a Defense
Force Blenham and FENUEPAE Alert Tomorrow Tuesday, eleventh November two,
German Air Force A four hundred m aircraft will fly
from Base Woodburn to blaze Auckland for a parachute training exercise.
During this exercise, they will be low flying and surrounding

(01:34:26):
areas between ten am and two PM two A four
hundred ms will travel up and back and again in
the AFTERLU between three and six. If all flights will
be in conducting at accordance with approved military operating procedure
and are with a dependent members of the public should
not be concerned. We appreciate the community support and understanding

(01:34:49):
while this international training is underway. This should have been
more tailored to the train spot plain spots. People like
to see where they are, wouldn't they it's what we
are talking about or not talking about that. But that's
something else you could mention tonight. So there's going to
be planed in the sky. It's a long way. They
are going up and back. What do you want to
say about that? Not much, but be in touched. Oh

(01:35:09):
by the way too. Someone rang up earlier because the
final of the Celebrity Traders was the biggest show on
the BBC, and someone said, how does the show work? Well,
it's nineteen people go into a castle and three of
them are tapped as they are the Traders, and those
three have to kill everyone else and every night they

(01:35:32):
vote off one of them. Everyone votes off one of them.
So you try and vote out the Traders, but of
course that doesn't always work. Oh, by the way, I
don't think they know how many traders they are. They
think there's two or three or four, but of course
there's no way of knowing who the trader is really.
They only actually the only actually kill people by putting
an envelope in their room most of the time. But yeah,

(01:35:54):
the BBC had had a very good cast with Nick
Muhammad from Ted Lasser and Stephen Frye and Jonathan Ross
and Alan Carr and it was it was a good
watch so some of you, yeah, but I think you'd
be hard to watch it now because you mon't know
how it finishes. But it's well worth watching anyway. Twenty
five past ten, looking forward to your calls. Ten twenty
eight people, who's there, Welcome and good evening. My name

(01:36:16):
is Marcus. With it till twelve. I hope it's good
where you are. People. Hope you had a good weekend.
Six weeks till Christmas. I got that right, probably tenth
of November. We are to talk about the wreck of
the Eden Fitzgerald and the song about that and anything
else you do want to talk about tonight. I was
curious to know about those people that had come to
Auckland for jelly Roll. Now, I don't want to make

(01:36:36):
fun of people's names, but jelly Roll is just not
an artist I already know. But he's widely loved and
I don't really know his backstory. Has he had a
difficult past or just like a difficult path, I don't know,
but anyway, he's beloved and people had traveled far and
white to see him. He played at West was supposed
to play at Western Springs on Saturday, but at the
last moment canceled. So a lot of those people these days,

(01:37:00):
because people go nuts for music, they fly all around
the country, so a lot of people come up from
christ Church, return trips, hotel ubers and the lots. So
people were very very caught out of pocket with that.
Soy Here has got some. He has arrested several times,
spent time in jail for farious charges and felonies, so
he's had a Yeah, he's a sort of a rough

(01:37:23):
diamond that became a singer with a velvet voice. I
think they'd offfened the way these days. Anyhow, he was
sick and we don't quite know what kind of sec
which always thinks a bit sketchy but no one quite knew.
But he canceled the last moment and left the country
as we've got other concerts to do. So those people
that were all ready for that, they had nothing. I
don't know what they I was dis curssed to know

(01:37:44):
what they did in their time in Auckland, and steared
she'd be all hyped up for a concert. You'd be
preloading and all sorts of stuff. Then you find actually
it wasn't on. I sort of gain slightly confused in
some ways with Teddy Swims. They're both kind of well,
I guess they're probably not similar, but I guess you
just have the same elk. But anyway, that's what happened
and that didn't happen. So do you want to mention

(01:38:05):
that and talk? And also also too about the r
essays and the clubs in christ Church are closing the
Papa and UI one hairs, but others they say, are
in tough times because I suppose people's tastes have changed
and your cozy clubs and your r essays don't hit
the spot like they once did. Is it a bad thing? Probably? Know,
it's probably all about progress On me again, people have
made myself a miler, which is not like me at all,

(01:38:26):
with the microwave and everything. It's damn fine. Actually, that's
why I need to get through the final now, because
you people aren't playing ball. I can't work out from
those articles where a jelly roll came to New Zealand,
which does they have to keep calling him jelly I
feel silly saying it did he come to New Zealand
or not? None of the articles that make clear, so
I think it's probably something more of that story that

(01:38:47):
meets the Oh I don't want to. I mean, I
don't want to, but he's been he's in Sydney, But
none of the articles I could see said he was
actually in New Zealand that I'm just reading the TVs
D story now. But yeah, nothing actually says that he
actually was in New Zealand, so maybe couldn't be. Look,
I don't know, ss dear Aorkland On everything I can,

(01:39:11):
I just can't shake it. It breaks away heart. I've
probably missed three shows the last deck. I promiself and
show them no matter what, just couldn't do it this time.
Please forgive me no information nothing. I'd be furious, wouldn't
be furious, would be kind of frustrated that they didn't say, Actually,
if he said I've got the food poison or my
need food poisons to do it, nor food poison, Gosh,
my mouth's not working. Food poisoning is normally a euphemism

(01:39:33):
for something, isn't it. I think food poison just a
convenient thing. Although I believe Lord probably had food poisoning.
She's canceled in Luxembourg. She'd be a straight shooter. Hey,
get in touch here till twelve, the wreck of the
Edmund Fitzgerald, our essays in the Future, thereof jelly rolls,
the fires at tongue Erro, the Malayan incident. We've been

(01:39:53):
hungry for topics tonight. If these are your topics, I
need to talk to you because I've run out of
things to and also the essays and Tom Phillips that
they were in there. So all the side thing is
into stuff if you want to talk on any of it, brilliant.
That's the plan for the final as I enjoy my Milo,
So get in touch. There might be something entirely different

(01:40:17):
you want to mention. You might be a truck driver
with updates you might want to talk about Scott Robertson.
The forklift driver rang earlier in the hour before last,
wanting to know what people had thought of him. She
might have been the last hour. All this and more
if you want to go through great by the way,
thunderstorms and Auckland, how did they work out? So the

(01:40:40):
North Island's being drenched. I presume everyone's tucked up in bed.
So yeah, if you want to talk about any of
these topics, that's my plan for tonight. Need your call,
so be lovely to hear.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
From you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Or not, depending on how briskly you'd be, But if
you want to be on air, that would be the
That's the plan for tonight people. That's what I'm here for.
But so give me a holler ten past eleven. Not
much else. I can tell you that it's very exciting.
By the way. Oh the other topic too, This might
get you going, what about all these people that are
called Andrew And you're all about sixty or sixty one

(01:41:17):
or sixty two, and you were named after Prince Andrew?
Do you feel now a little bit icky? Because one
go was at a wedding. There was three at the table,
all of them their middle name was Andrew, and all
of them right, we're named after him. He's born sixty
five years ago. So if you're in your early sixties

(01:41:37):
and you called Andrew the chance they you be named
after him, how are you feeling about that? People not
a nice guy to be named after, or you feel okay,
we're going to change. For most people, it's the middle name,
not the first name. What are you going to do
about that? These are the things that we can talk
about tonight or anything else. As I've said, let me
think what else might I've mentioned celebrity traitors. I've mentioned

(01:42:03):
Jelly Rolls, the musician. I've mentioned the RSAs and the
Kazi clubs. What else have you got that's something you
might want to talk about. That's what we're on about tonight.
So yeah, if you want to be a part of it,
i'd appreciate that tonight or anything else I want to
mention or have mentioned tonight, So I'd love to hear

(01:42:24):
from you. And I've mentioned the fire too and Tongano,
so yeah, or any of those things, that's what we're
on about tonight. Oh by the way, here we go,
someone has emailed me Hi Marcus since tonight is about
the Edmund Fitzgerald I thought you might be interested in
this island in Lake Huron. They banned cars one hundred

(01:42:46):
and twenty five years ago, and if you order a taxi,
a horse and buggy turns up. They have six hundred
horses and ten thousand bikes. There are emergency and service vehicles,
but not rubbish collections. They're picked up by horse and cart.
You can bike around the island thirteen k's. There are

(01:43:06):
lots of walking tracks and bike traps. Love the island.
Ninety percent of the businesses closed for winter, and the
horses leave the island for the coldest months. It's an
island in Lake Huron called the Mackinac Island. The Mackinac
Island mayor is Margaret Dowd. She is the longest currently
serving mayor in America. She became mayor when she was

(01:43:30):
thirty two and has still the mayor fifty years later.
They also have the oldest grocery store in America. It's
businesses started in eighteen eighty four, and the Grand Hotel
has the longest porch in the world at two and
one meters. I'm going there for a holiday in October
twenty twenty seven. My main reason for going to that

(01:43:51):
part of the world is to see the amazing autumn colors,
and while looking into that, I will come across this
most beautiful, chanting island. I'm probably sending you way too
much information. I thought you'd be especially interested in the
biking side of it. Loving all of this, Marianne, thanks
so much for that. And by the way, Mecanec is
pronounced mechan or. I'll check out what the population is

(01:44:11):
of that actually, but I'm still awaiting your calls. People.
You've left me hanging. I'm not particularly happy, but I'll
cope because that's my job. But yeah, what's happening to
your people? Come on, there's no fun on my own here.
Don't want to sound like I'm grizzling, but yeah, a
population of Mechanec Island, that's what I'm googling out now.
People six hundred and thirteen, great number of people for

(01:44:33):
an island. All get around on a horse, of course
they do. You'll be saying that's that, so, yeah, it
wouldn't be a bad place to go to Mechanic. I
think there's some other fact about Mechanic Island that I know,
but I can't quite work out what it was. But yes,
need your call tonight for the final go around people,
I will play the record of the ever infit Stuerid's
entirety tonight at some time. I just don't know when

(01:44:57):
that will be. Probably before midnight would be my suggestion.
Oh by the way, Mechinec Island big in the fur trade.
I think it's got a bridge. No, no bridge, you
can't see it bridge. Has it got a bridge? Don't
know if there's a bridge. I'll find it that some
other time. And I'm not at work. But yes, now,
let me think what else I can tell you about.
I'm just watching a replay of the rugby match. Looks

(01:45:17):
all right, actually they do look good in the white
the all blacks, good, good crowd tuned out there. Scottish
love their rugby, don't they repair to? And it looks
like they actually gave it a good go tonight. Anyway,
do to do.

Speaker 18 (01:45:37):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Welcome people if you want to be a part of it,
but do get in touch. Oh, by the way, who's
got a boil water? There are boiled water notices? Where
are there? I have to go to boil I think
for Perongia. I'll get that information up for you too,
So yeah, a lot of bad water going on, isn't there.
But I'll get those informations for that information for you.

(01:46:00):
And let me just tell you about this the boil
water notices. Nope, can't find it. Let's have a break
and hope you'll get somebody out of the world work
fifteen past eleven. Oh gosh, the miler was great, but
the course haven't been You've left me hanging tonight people,
so which I'm not entirely ecstatic about. As far as
the Prengia water goes, it's been restored. Water supply has

(01:46:23):
been restored. The two water tanks and Pearongia have been
stored down. We'll update you again in the morning. So
thanks for that. I stated the problem the water. This
is for Tower Moot and Pengiir residents that your water
is flowing again, says the rural residents living between Pepeshe
Road and the Prenga township may still have supply is shoes.
There was at nine forty five. At ten o'clock they

(01:46:43):
said it's all sorted. A massive shout out of the
crews on the ground getting the sorted to night and
a big thank you to all those people for patients
do any ongoing your shoes. Don't get hesitate to get
in touch with our call center in the morning. Oh
eight hundred and seven to two four seven two three.
That's good news. That's as good news as you can expect.
So the water's back on. That's what I've got to

(01:47:05):
tell you now. Well some of the other stuff that
I have got happening around the country tonight. And this
is what I need to tell you people. But you
do get in touch if you want to talk. I'll
promise not to go to sleep on you like I
did on Friday night during the parking ticket story. Jeepers

(01:47:27):
not God, you have to get kind of a sleep
detector on it. June, this is Marcus. Welcome and good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 19 (01:47:41):
I was listening to you and I thought, oh, you
poor thing. You haven't got anything anyway. I've been dying
to mention this to you for a while now. Annoying
television commercials, yeah one ah with these people that drive

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around in the half of car. Have you seen that?

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
I have seen that.

Speaker 19 (01:48:08):
And look, can you tell me what it's about?

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I got no idea, but can you tell me what
the one for one New Zealanders with the guy in
the sparple. I don't understand that one either.

Speaker 19 (01:48:19):
There's a there's an awful of the man that comes
up to a restaurant and he has to go and
swap his dandles with somebody, and he comes back with
these false gum boots and he's loud, and then that
ridiculous look that the matre d has on his face
when he lets him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I think that one. What's it there for? June?

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
I have no idea what's there for?

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
I thought that was quite clear. That one, well clear.

Speaker 19 (01:48:50):
I think I watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
It's made sense.

Speaker 19 (01:48:52):
But I think if somebody did that to me, I'd
just walk on by and go find another restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
But I'll tell you what, June, I would rather have
one I didn't understand than once for funeral insurance.

Speaker 19 (01:49:07):
That comes on so often, so often. And five so
it's of no interest to me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Oh, I thought you're going to say of eighty five
when you find it insensitive?

Speaker 19 (01:49:19):
No, no, No, death is death, Marcus.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Yes, no, I don't understand why the woman would borrow
the charger and her car would break in two. That's
kind of got me beat.

Speaker 19 (01:49:30):
Yeah, it just I don't know I've been dying to
call Spark. But the trouble is you get the Philippines.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Yeah, and they'll be separate from there. Yeah, it's we
minded someone to explain and let me think they because
I haven't really watched it that closely. But she asks
to borrow the charger and then she goes off in
her own way get some sort of boyfriend comes up
and ends up beat to get on the harbor bridge.

Speaker 14 (01:49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:49:55):
And then the other one is mishaps, miss something and
they have water coming down. It's an insurance advertishment. They
drove me c three ladies dressed in the same outfit,
and the one's called mishaps, one's misshappens, and the other
one is mistakes and they share these varying things that

(01:50:18):
can happen in the house for you to need insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
No, I don't think i've seen that one either.

Speaker 19 (01:50:25):
Okay, they're just terrible, but anyway I might get you going.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Very kind. Thank you for that, June soe M. I
want to mention it, particularly one about the one that
the o'ld vota phone that's confusing to me. Here's an
email i'll read to your people as I wait the
cavalcade of calls Marcus. When I was younger, warships from
overseas often came into Auckland. The HTM is Vincible came
into Auckland when Prince Andrew was on board and serving

(01:50:54):
in the Navy. You used to be able to dial
a sailor from these red phones that were in the
Intercontinental on the Auckland Key. I remember that dial of sailor.
That was quite a big deal. As a family, we
did this often, and as soon as we heard he
was on board, Mum and Dad organized us to have
dinner at the Intercontinental and dial dial a sailor. We

(01:51:17):
did not end up with Andrew, but another young man,
who of course my older sister was enamored with. One
of the perks of dialing a sailor was We got
on board after the crowds had appeared. Personal tours with
the young sailor once he had taken back, taken him
out to the sites of Auckland, Nicole from Sydney. I'd
be fascinated by that. If you've got any stories Aboutdarla Salor,

(01:51:38):
that'd be genuinely curious. Quite a nice thing to do.
I don't know why you can't do it now after
nine to eleven or something, so you might want to
mention that, and the ads and the record the Edmund
Fitzgerald and and Hitdled twelve, anything else we're into I'm into.
Would love to hear. Good on you, Jane June for

(01:51:59):
making an effort. Oh, hi, Marcus, how are you have
you ever? Milo sandwich? Is that something about Dodgy? I
don't know about that. Also, I've lost my love of rugby.
I'll watch it, but love the old days when the
Allbacks would take the shirts off to do the hacker.
Where this tradition, which was headed down through the years.
We would buy a block of chocolate, now was how

(01:52:21):
to open it until the all Backs got their first try.
Don't full of sheet asleep again, I'm sure no one
will notice. For those called Andrew, it's likely to get worse.
He will end up in jail. I don't think the
palace can save him. Great show. Remember what he said
he didn't sweat slightly sweating as an Andrew rip the

(01:52:44):
Andrew Jeffrey Trump victim. Some of the beaches are Oh
I don't understand that last bit, but thanks for texting anyway.
No thunderstorms Auckland so far calm night. People posted they
saw Jilly Roll at Westgate Moore. Marcus, what if Andrew
or whatever? If someone wanted to change their name by deepol,

(01:53:06):
how much is it? Is it the same as getting
a passport?

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Um?

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Someone said there's an a cappella version of the edwind Fitzgerald.
What's that called, Betty. I'm get in touch if you
want to talk. I think the all decks have lost
their emojia, not the team of the past. Marcus watched
the netball news Ina in Scotland on scope and this
ho was amazed at the lack of atmosphere. Just wondered
if others thought that she is Mary Marcus. Those planes

(01:53:35):
were flying around the North Island today, came over Napier twice,
real loud and low flying, entertaining Marcus. Apparently tickets were
to be reimbursed automatically. Marcus. The two planes you are
talking about fly over Martin about ten thirty this morning
while I was hanging out the washing. That's from Pat

(01:53:56):
But still yeah, still onto you for your calls people.
Oh she borrows the phone as it has been the
coverage and signal. She takes the all over the takes
the phone over the place and it's great competer hers.
The swapping shoes added is instant key. Were the two
people can't get into the restaur do their shoes?

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
I did, raz, It's got that, it's got to do.
It's got that memorable tune. Thank you, absolutely agree. Seems
to be less ads and they're so repetitive. The AI
Skinny mobile add is awful. I quite like it. I
just don't think I ever really understood it. Twenty five
past eleven, Helen, it's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 14 (01:54:36):
Yeah, thank you for a very interesting program. I really
like this one about the Edmund Sitzgerald. So people up, yeah, great,
really great now the first of Force the Edinburgh in Scotland.
It was another place where ships went down, very treacherous place.
I have a Scottish line. Were of mariners, master mariners,

(01:55:00):
and some of them died. Te this isn't my that
those The reason that Helen Thompson came out to Australia
was because her husband and her father died taking cattle
across on the ferry. And who are these people my ancestors?

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
Oh okay, ye yah yeah, yea yea yeah, when abouts
are we talking.

Speaker 14 (01:55:31):
Oh she was, Well, she got married in eighteen forty,
so yeah, so it would have been around that time.

Speaker 16 (01:55:38):
You know that.

Speaker 14 (01:55:40):
They Yeah, they were taking cattle across in the Syre
and I don't know, I don't know what happened, but
there the fairy sank with the cattle on. But yeah, sorry,
this is not very clear of in the sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
You've been asleep when you started to call the radio. Wow,
I like that.

Speaker 14 (01:55:58):
Well, I'm sorry, but I woke up and I hear
here you weren't getting many calls, so I thought, well,
you know this, this is diverting you away. But I thought,
this is another mariner story, and I find.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
The story again.

Speaker 14 (01:56:14):
Well, my ancestor, Helen Thompson, she came out to Australia
and she brought her family with her and two of
her sons. They they were master mariners and boat builders
as well, so they moved to came out to Wealth
and set up were building ships at Piermont. But anyway,

(01:56:38):
the reason she came out was because her husband and
father they died taking cattle across on the Theory on
the first of fourth and apparently quite a lot of
ships went down the first and fourth near Edinburgh in Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Is it quite tidal? I mean, can you get caught out?

Speaker 14 (01:56:56):
I don't know. There's a bridge. There's a bridge across
there now for linking north into south. Queen's sorry. It's
very very rich history of you know, very rich historical area.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
I presume must be free tiredly. I'd like to say
more about the first and fourth of people are getting
caught with cattle there?

Speaker 14 (01:57:17):
Yeah, yeah, they the same the fairy went down, So
I think that they were just you know, oh, there
was a very difficult times because it's been the Thailand
clearances and all that kind of stuff. So she wrote,
she wrote a data back to her daughter and saying,
come on out, because you know the children in Edinburgh

(01:57:39):
they hardly have a bite of meat and just gold
in them hills here and so the mince your whole
family came out.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Oh yeah, are you writing your family history?

Speaker 19 (01:57:51):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:57:52):
I'm not much of a writer, but I've done quite
a bit of research.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
You gotta do something. I did. I get Ai to
write it nice to talk people? How fast the living
still into what you've got people? If you want to
a pine about anything. I read the texts in the meantime,
a lot of people don't like being called Andrew these days.
Marcus been called Andrew may get tricky, but I imagine

(01:58:15):
being called Jevon will be worse. Marcus just tuned on
the radio and note you mentioned Celebrity Traders. I just
love this program. Enjoyed it immensely. Agree the netball has
the atmosphere. It looked like they were saving power as
it was dark, hard to see the players. By the way,
with the BBC they reckon. The Celebrity Traders has just

(01:58:37):
revolutionized as everyone's cockerhoop about it. All the old newspapers
are doing endless articles about how it saved TV. I mean,
I didn't think it was fantastic, but it was good
because they're going Ellen Carr. They've got great personalities, and
they were quite British, so they're all a bit funny
with manners and stuff and class. It's quite well. It

(01:58:58):
was good, free watchable. It's on TV three now if
you want to go and watch it, or plus now
whatever it's called, not plus one. That confuses people, doesn't it.
TV three now is what we'll call it. And we're away.
Kevin AND's Marcus good evening him Marcus, how are you good, Kevin,

(01:59:21):
how are you very well? Thank you good.

Speaker 17 (01:59:26):
Firstly, I'd like to say just the all Blacks fantastic,
there's no question about it. And we've been on top
of rugby for numerous years and Raises a fantastic coach
and people are just waiting to try and shoot him down.

(01:59:50):
Just let them be. I think he's brilliant. Elfie holland
Jesson holand absolutely brilliant. And the game changed from back
in the old days when we used to play South Africa,

(02:00:13):
Australia and what have you, and most of our food
pack were farmers and they were real tough buggers. Now
everybody is on the same level because back in the
old days the farmers could well, they'd be working physically,

(02:00:34):
and of course some of the other players that we're
playing were doctors and lawyers, so now of course we're
all on the same level where everybody has to be
physically super strong.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
I've got to say, after watching that first half of
the Irish match, I couldn't be bothered with Scotland. For me,
it was just such a it was such a disappointing spectacle.
I didn't want to waste my time again, I don't
know what went wrong in Chicago, but I thought it
was unwatchable.

Speaker 17 (02:01:03):
Oh it's a bit harsh.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
Yeah, no, well, I mean I've got a limited time
on the weekend, you know, but yeah, that.

Speaker 17 (02:01:10):
Was yeah, I'm sure, okay, I mean, and I.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Don't think it's deliberate. I think it's just sometimes if
you go back to something and you're not getting your thrill,
you just stop being as interested, isn't that right?

Speaker 17 (02:01:24):
Sure, you know, I understand that we've got the game today.
It's got so competitive. Most of the athletes sort of
ninety to one hundred and ten killows.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
Oh, they're big units.

Speaker 10 (02:01:41):
Yeah, yeah, go back to.

Speaker 17 (02:01:43):
The old days of little Kerry, right, remember him?

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
Yeah, he was light.

Speaker 18 (02:01:48):
He could have been a jockey, yeah right.

Speaker 17 (02:01:51):
He ran like a rabbit, and he just took off
from the opposition. And then along came Jonah one twenty
ks and he ran faster than than Well Cherry wrote
the semi rabbit, and somehow you had to stop Joan,

(02:02:14):
and obviously it was very difficult to stop.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Like you cool, Kevin, Thanks very much for that, Jeff.
It's Marcus. Good evening, Good evening, Marcus, Jeff, very good
good thinking, Jiff there you.

Speaker 6 (02:02:29):
Go, all right too, bed mate, but just listen to
your good light stuff. I mean in minsits the order
should say great, great song. He did the cover. I
think of it, and just.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Jeff, if you wrote that song, it's his, he owns it.

Speaker 6 (02:02:52):
Yeah, it's a pretty it's a brilliant song. But you
know it's an interesting thing or had aught about it
for a long time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
So I'll play before the end to be promising. What
do you want to say about rugby?

Speaker 10 (02:03:03):
Jeff quite a.

Speaker 6 (02:03:05):
Supportive with just used to be a second ticket hold
at the sky Stadium, and I just don't go anymore
and hardly watch it because it's kind of like the
same old, same old. And what I found at Sly
Stadium was I found it was overpriced. It was like
twenty bucks to the ticket, but thirty five dollars to

(02:03:28):
part and you're paying over the process food like your
drinks and your food.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
So yea with Skyster? Is it the Wellington? Was it
the caked and Jeff.

Speaker 6 (02:03:38):
Bar I just call it wanted to the stadium.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
That's the way it is, Wellington. Why is it parking
so expensive?

Speaker 6 (02:03:44):
I don't know because I used to work in there,
but you could part me for fifteen dollars a day
for you if you're working around town. But when you
go in there for a game your.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
Dollars, why don't you get the train?

Speaker 6 (02:03:59):
Well, because the trains aren't reliable, so.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
They'd be reliable on a test, wouldn't they.

Speaker 6 (02:04:08):
Well sometimes, yeah, and my partner at the time, you know,
she's once larger, but you hit it a lig injury,
so you need to.

Speaker 2 (02:04:17):
Park and then ye, sorry, that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 6 (02:04:20):
Yeah and so, but so you're not spending more on
parking and your and your food and your like a
bottle of water, like you know you pump water. Ye,
paying three dollars at the shop, paying six doors.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
But you're still watching at home.

Speaker 6 (02:04:41):
Yeah, so that's what I'm goingble.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
But you're still watching the game.

Speaker 18 (02:04:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:04:45):
But but the the enjoyment thinct is gone because actually
physically bring me to enjoy the game. It is gone
because it's become too expensive.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
I'm hearing it you. Thanks for the call twenty two
to twelve, twenty away from twelve. Well, it's put me
up nowhere in the mile. I should have don that
more often. God, what a what a what? I what
a great fine, that was I was starving. Of course
there's no food here, but well there's not normally food
in the studio. That's the thing about radio studio. Some

(02:05:18):
of them have those vending machines a Milo sandwiches, bread
marge or butter, and I had a Bilo sandwich or
a quick sandwich. No one likes raise it in the
North Island. He's a South Island coach at all. Stems
from the fact we hate the Crusaders, my mates in
christ You can't understand this as they are totally captured

(02:05:39):
by their own bullshit. It says Raiser has got to
go as a total dick, stupid haircut, can't even talk properly.
Ross from Hamilton.

Speaker 3 (02:05:50):
H A.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
I think that sounds like sour grape who got beaten
in the fire. It wasn't that was who got beaten
in the What was the what was the final Super
Rugby this year? Was it the white coat that got beaten?
Sounds like Sarah arapes to me, But yeah, yeah, that's
our grapes. Because you guys got a hiding. It wasn't
a hiding was sixteen twelve. But that's what it will

(02:06:16):
be about. But yeah, but don't get yourself, don't get
yourself too rived up by that eighteen away from twelve.
I do find it quite boorish the people's discussing the
merits or not thereof. I mean, I'll tell you one
thing about Scott Roberts is always very good at fronting
up to the media and stuff. You know, he does

(02:06:37):
all that stuff well, he's professional in all those dealings.
He's not one of those grumpy all black coaches we
had in the past that you're were you what's your
Christian seef? He's I think he speaks quite well. I've
got a smile, got those smiley eyes. Normally if you're smiling,

(02:06:59):
you communicating. Oh I'm all into him. But yeah, we're
beck Monday after a week and always back talking rugby.
I thought the match of the weekend was the Rugby
League Test. That was extraordinary. They see those flags, all
those sum on flags in the audience, so that was unbelievable.
And the Kiwei's have got some extraordinary players there. That
McLean unbelievable. So youah thought it was a phenomenal match.

(02:07:23):
I thought it was as good as State of Origin.
I think all the commentators were saying that as well.
It's as good as state of origin. So if you
want to comment on that for the final go and
that's a good thing to hear about tonight, be a
part of it here or midnight. Anything else you want
to mention. Yep, you haven't heard from Lowest since the
North Island tour started. She's always a bit miserable and

(02:07:46):
down on razor. I can't imagine that's changed. Marcus Raiser
was born in Totong and my brother in law went
to school with him. I think it was Mount Monganui.
I think people know that, though I don't think people
who have always thought he was born in Bretain. I
think he just that's where he likes. That's my understanding

(02:08:06):
of it. But yeah, I hope for his sakey just
day they get on and win the Grand Stam, although
I think it's arrogant to call a glad Grand Slam
gone and win the World Cup just if you can
eat humble. But whether that will happen, I don't know.
Probably not. But look, if you want to be the
last person on through the gates tonight and on air,
that would be that would be ideal. I hope it's

(02:08:26):
been all right to listen to tonight. I hope you've
enjoyed the show. Try and cap it and try and
keep it interesting. Sometimes I'll succeedough I do rely on
the people that call, So hopefully if you want to
come in before the end, that would help me out
for the final Flurry and Romance next And I've told
you that. Yeah, And Nina's away for the week too,

(02:08:49):
to just say you know, she hasn't tapped out or anything.
She's got other plans. So Tony will be here all
week and that's good news. And Nina back next week.
So there you got. It's a little bit of it.
That's a little bit of insight to you. In the
running of the radio station International News from tonight. What
can I tell you where, Well, not a hell of
a lot of people. Not much happening that I can see. Oh,

(02:09:16):
there's quite a bit of there's quite a bit of
scuttle about going on between the BBC and Trump at
the moment. Ex BBC News boss Deborah turn As fires
back at Trump to claim the BBC is corrupt. Nigel Farage,
she's the US prisoners enraged. That's quite a big deal.

(02:09:39):
So I just say, you know, and do come through. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Oh weight eighty today. If you want to be a
part of the show, there's anything different You've got look
forward to hearing from you tonight before twelve. Shame on
you not tell us the chase result. I've just recorded it.

(02:10:03):
Now I know the result. Oh don't Yeah, well geh goodness,
I just happen to see on the corner of my TV.
So I apologize if that's upset you, but I'm just
doing the best people. But yeah, I can't help that.
I'm a sport. You might have some excuse for not
knowing the answer to but not not a situation with

(02:10:26):
the Chase. There's only four New Zealand episodes and they're
all recorded in Australia with the Australians. So to be
on that you had to be Australian. No, you had
to be in New Zealand of living in Australia would
even pay your air fares, So I always thought it
was quite a but they got away forty grand tonight
or forty two grand or something, so there are four

(02:10:49):
of them met the final Chase looked like quite nice
people for what I could see on the corner of
the TV channel what I was looking at. Yeah, anyway,
I'll be back tomorrow. I'm halfway through a gram of
set as of Katan before I came out tonight, so
I'm looking forward to finishing that great game. Back into it,
love it. I think I might win this one. I've
got the right resources. I've got ore, which is what

(02:11:10):
you need towards the end game. You don't need the
wood on the brick, should need the ore. So I
finally worked out after playing it for years and years.
But anyway, it's been a while for wins with me.

Speaker 1 (02:11:24):
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