September 24, 2024 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Tuesday on Newstalk ZB) Just Because You Failed Before, Doesn't Mean You Can't Do Something Else/WFH Isn't for Everyone/Avoid Wellington at All Costs/Why Time Travel Will Never Happen
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Tuesday. Christopher Luxon is coming after you.
If you work from home, you might be getting a
knock on the door. He's protecting it very seriously. Doesn't
like it Wellington, apart from working people working from home there.
(00:47):
It's got all sorts of problems going on, and I
think Ryan's found a funny way of something it all up.
And then we're going to time travel with Marcus lash
Before any of that, Cuddle's Costa, as he has been
nicknamed by some people, police commissioner and no more and
said he's in charge of social investment. What does that
(01:09):
even mean?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Andrew Costin never was a crackdown on crime guy. He's
a cotton wool guy. He's a believe in people's potential guy.
He's a given them another chance guy. He believes so
much in the fence at the top of the cliff
that he forgot that his job was actually to be
running the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. But
this job that he's just been given is the fence
at the top of the cliff job. The point of
(01:30):
the Social Investment Agency is to help people before they
become criminals, right, put a lot of money and a
lot of resource into them to try to stop them
going down the path that leads them to criminality. You
even start investing in them when they're babies. Now, that
is right up Andrew cost as Ali, isn't it. And
for all of his failings as a police commissioner, his
(01:52):
inability to be tough on gangs, his inability to even
do the basics like clear out the parliamentary protest before
it got out of hand. Remember how he kept saying
I'm gonna tell your cars no, no, this time, I'm
really gonna tell your cars.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Okay, today, I'm really going to tell your cars. And
it never happened. Remember all of that stuff. For all
of that, I actually think he is still a very
bright and decent guy. So I just think what this
was was a case of the wrong job for the
wrong guy. I am very happy he's leaving the police.
I hope we never have a commissioner as Week on
Crime as him again, but I think that there is
(02:24):
a very very good chance that he's actually going to
be very very good at what he does next, and
I hope he's good at it because this is a
very important job.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well interesting, isn't it. So everybody has agreed, or a
lot of people have agreed. Certainly people in charge of
agreed that you're not very good at your current job,
but you'll be good at the next job because it's
quite a different job to what you were doing. So
how jobs work? Hey, you know you apply for a
(02:55):
job that's different from your last job, and you go, well,
he's a reference from my last employee. They thought I
was a bit shared, But as you can see, this
job's quite different, so that'll be good. Suppose you can
spin it that way.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
News talk ze Ben right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
A big talking point has been this working from home thing.
Laxin had enough of it, especially from the public service,
because they're not quite sure whereas all these people are
what they're doing all abode, which is I suppose it's
fair enough.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Where there was a high level of trust, the arrangement worked.
But when you've got somebody going, oh, what is is
it's not going to work. People will extract the Michael
if they think there are no controls on what they
can do, or no checks and balances on what they
do and how they do it. They also made the
(03:49):
point that it doesn't mean there won't be any working
from home arrangements. You can still negotiate to be able
to have flexible working hours. It's just hello, Wellington Civil Service.
They are not an automatic entitlement. But you can't really
blame the workers if nobody's checking up on you, nobody cares,
(04:13):
nobody has an expectation that you'll turn up in the office.
Nobody is requiring you to account for yourself when you
haven't been in the office for a week or so.
Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So there seems to be a general impression, certainly on
news storks there be anyway amongst the hosts and the callers. Generally,
I get the vibe that people think that working from
home as a cop out and it's not productive. And
obviously if you're a spot worlder or you know you
(04:50):
repile houses, it's not going to work for you. It's
not going to be very productive, is it. There's only
so much paperwork you can do from home in those roles,
but there are plenty of jobs you can do from
home successfully. And if you're not, if you're not a
particul social person and you don't particularly like, you know,
(05:14):
being around other people, and you disliked being left to
do your job, then maybe I don't understand what the
problem is us talk anyway, let's find out where Tim
Beveridge lies on this particular issue.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Basically, Christopher Luxon has said I don't want to see
I do not want to see working from home undermining
the ambition that we have, and he's worried that young
graduates didn't have the opportunity to learn from senior public servants.
Actually that's quite a good that's actually not a bad
point on that. But the working from home thing, is
it something that anyone should be upset about or is
it something that everyone should be entitled to do. I
(05:48):
was going to play a quick clip from One News
last night, and this is one of the reasons that
was given by the person who was all blacked out
as if it was highly sort of confidential and secret
squirrel as to why not why she didn't think it
was a good idea to work be called in from
work at home. This office is very social, and sometimes
that's quite straight. You can easily have conversations that go
(06:11):
on for twenty to forty minutes, but they've got nothing
to do with work. I mean, that is one of
the weaker excuses. I just did to play because I
was so amaiy when I heard that. I was like, well,
if you've got a conversation that's nothing to do with quick,
how about I don't know, just stop the conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I so I and I've said this before. I take
a suit of a hybrid approach to things. Obviously, I can't, unfortunately,
run the radio show that I run, and by run,
I mean turn it off and on for funds at
random quick to show here at newsfuls, it'd be I
(06:45):
can't do that from home because I don't. I don't
quite know why. I think they just don't have a
chord that's long enough that connects the desk to the
studio that's thirty two k's away to your very long chord.
But then I'm out of here as quick as I
can be because on the few times where I have
(07:07):
been around here and I wanted to do my other work,
which is things like, you know, write check reviews for
the website and stuff like that. I am amazed all
people do is stand around, drink coffee, Go and get coffee,
Go get a muffin, go out for a vait. Come
back again. Somebody's only just arrived and they even't got
a coffee. I'll come down with you. That doesn't sound
(07:31):
productive to me. And I find that very frustrating. And
I kind of get what that woman we look like
a somebody in the Witness Perfection program. I kind of
get what she was on about. To be honest, right,
what's wrong with Wellington? Well everything?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Apparently In case of an emergency, car parks difficult to find,
cycle wags are plenty, but treacherous weather and wind conditions
make use incredibly difficult. City in a state of utter
chaos with little to no control by Lord Mayor Tory Farno.
Specific populations asked to avoid Sky Stadium include the All Blacks.
(08:09):
They've lost six tests in a row at the venue.
Chance of further losses highly likely. If All Black's unsure
which venue, the spilletin refers to please look for the
urine yellow colored seating. They call it the cake tin.
If travel is absolutely essential. Please exercise extreme caution, take
your own water, coffee, alcohol, lunch, body armor, a pen
(08:32):
and paper, and a calculator and chat GPT to help
decode the mayor's mixed messaging. Dress for disappointment, pack for evacuation.
And if somebody tries to sell you a cheap car, run.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't know, it's notine allowed to do that. I know,
we know. I used to write radio ads. We weren't
allowed to write as that sounded like news bulletins. Are
Are you allowed to do editorials that sound like travel advisories?
Quite a specific thing to not be allowed to do
or not be allowed to do.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I suppose sure, news talk zet bean.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
We're going to finish up for some time travel.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
At the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well maybe it's the beginning of a podcast. Technically you
could have fast forwarded to this and listened to this
bit first, and then gone back back and listened to
the other end of it.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
I'll tell you something that I kind of think about
from time to time, and it was prompted by an
article in the Daily Mail. It's a photo that claims
time travel exists. It looks like someone in the photo
(09:41):
has got an iPad. It's from the nineteen forties. And
these stories come up from time to time. And then
there was a woman there on a mobile phone, and
there was a woman on a scooter. And they always say,
is this proof time travel exists? Never is?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But where are we.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
With time travel?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
I spend quite a lot of time thinking about time travel,
and where I end up is this, If time travel
is invented in the future, like it could be fifty
years from now, three hundred years from now, depending on
(10:22):
how long this planet lasts, wouldn't we have been visited
by someone that someone would have come back and shared
the technology with us. And if I extrapolate that further,
(10:43):
isn't the reverse of that meaning that it can never exist?
Otherwise we would have seen evidence of it. Because all
sorts of things you can say, well, they'll happen in
the future and we'll never know. But time travel is
the one thing if it does happen in the future,
we would know about it because someone would have come
to us and told us about it.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That a good point. Actually, I don't know if I've
already heard that expressed that clearly before. That's that's why
we know that time and travel will never exist if
we haven't seen anybody from the future unless they've been
very secret about it, and as we people are terrible,
(11:25):
it's giving secrets even in the future. I am been
hearts that has been used to what they've been and
we'll see you in the future with tomorrow's edition. Although
if you're just listening to these back to back, it
doesn't really matter what kind of happened, does it. It's
(11:47):
time becoming left it less relevant. There's something that can
better think about as you go away before we come
back in a few seconds. If you're just listening to
these back to back. If you are, I'll see you
in a second.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
News Talk Talk Said Been. For more from News Talk
Said B listen live on or on and keep our
shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts on
iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk SEDB Talk sed.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Tuesday. Christopher Luxon is coming after you.
If you work from home, you might be getting a
knock on the door. He's protecting it very seriously. Doesn't
like it Wellington, apart from working people working from home there.
(00:47):
It's got all sorts of problems going on, and I
think Ryan's found a funny way of something it all up.
And then we're going to time travel with Marcus lash
Before any of that, Cuddle's Costa, as he has been
nicknamed by some people, police commissioner and no more and
said he's in charge of social investment. What does that
(01:09):
even mean?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Andrew Costin never was a crackdown on crime guy. He's
a cotton wool guy. He's a believe in people's potential guy.
He's a given them another chance guy. He believes so
much in the fence at the top of the cliff
that he forgot that his job was actually to be
running the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. But
this job that he's just been given is the fence
at the top of the cliff job. The point of
(01:30):
the Social Investment Agency is to help people before they
become criminals, right, put a lot of money and a
lot of resource into them to try to stop them
going down the path that leads them to criminality. You
even start investing in them when they're babies. Now, that
is right up Andrew cost as Ali, isn't it. And
for all of his failings as a police commissioner, his
(01:52):
inability to be tough on gangs, his inability to even
do the basics like clear out the parliamentary protest before
it got out of hand. Remember how he kept saying
I'm gonna tell your cars no, no, this time, I'm
really gonna tell your cars.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Okay, today, I'm really going to tell your cars. And
it never happened. Remember all of that stuff. For all
of that, I actually think he is still a very
bright and decent guy. So I just think what this
was was a case of the wrong job for the
wrong guy. I am very happy he's leaving the police.
I hope we never have a commissioner as Week on
Crime as him again, but I think that there is
(02:24):
a very very good chance that he's actually going to
be very very good at what he does next, and
I hope he's good at it because this is a
very important job.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well interesting, isn't it. So everybody has agreed, or a
lot of people have agreed. Certainly people in charge of
agreed that you're not very good at your current job,
but you'll be good at the next job because it's
quite a different job to what you were doing. So
how jobs work? Hey, you know you apply for a
(02:55):
job that's different from your last job, and you go, well,
he's a reference from my last employee. They thought I
was a bit shared, But as you can see, this
job's quite different, so that'll be good. Suppose you can
spin it that way.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
News talk ze Ben right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
A big talking point has been this working from home thing.
Laxin had enough of it, especially from the public service,
because they're not quite sure whereas all these people are
what they're doing all abode, which is I suppose it's
fair enough.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Where there was a high level of trust, the arrangement worked.
But when you've got somebody going, oh, what is is
it's not going to work. People will extract the Michael
if they think there are no controls on what they
can do, or no checks and balances on what they
do and how they do it. They also made the
(03:49):
point that it doesn't mean there won't be any working
from home arrangements. You can still negotiate to be able
to have flexible working hours. It's just hello, Wellington Civil Service.
They are not an automatic entitlement. But you can't really
blame the workers if nobody's checking up on you, nobody cares,
(04:13):
nobody has an expectation that you'll turn up in the office.
Nobody is requiring you to account for yourself when you
haven't been in the office for a week or so.
Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So there seems to be a general impression, certainly on
news storks there be anyway amongst the hosts and the callers. Generally,
I get the vibe that people think that working from
home as a cop out and it's not productive. And
obviously if you're a spot worlder or you know you
(04:50):
repile houses, it's not going to work for you. It's
not going to be very productive, is it. There's only
so much paperwork you can do from home in those roles,
but there are plenty of jobs you can do from
home successfully. And if you're not, if you're not a
particul social person and you don't particularly like, you know,
(05:14):
being around other people, and you disliked being left to
do your job, then maybe I don't understand what the
problem is us talk anyway, let's find out where Tim
Beveridge lies on this particular issue.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Basically, Christopher Luxon has said I don't want to see
I do not want to see working from home undermining
the ambition that we have, and he's worried that young
graduates didn't have the opportunity to learn from senior public servants.
Actually that's quite a good that's actually not a bad
point on that. But the working from home thing, is
it something that anyone should be upset about or is
it something that everyone should be entitled to do. I
(05:48):
was going to play a quick clip from One News
last night, and this is one of the reasons that
was given by the person who was all blacked out
as if it was highly sort of confidential and secret
squirrel as to why not why she didn't think it
was a good idea to work be called in from
work at home. This office is very social, and sometimes
that's quite straight. You can easily have conversations that go
(06:11):
on for twenty to forty minutes, but they've got nothing
to do with work. I mean, that is one of
the weaker excuses. I just did to play because I
was so amaiy when I heard that. I was like, well,
if you've got a conversation that's nothing to do with quick,
how about I don't know, just stop the conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I so I and I've said this before. I take
a suit of a hybrid approach to things. Obviously, I can't, unfortunately,
run the radio show that I run, and by run,
I mean turn it off and on for funds at
random quick to show here at newsfuls, it'd be I
(06:45):
can't do that from home because I don't. I don't
quite know why. I think they just don't have a
chord that's long enough that connects the desk to the
studio that's thirty two k's away to your very long chord.
But then I'm out of here as quick as I
can be because on the few times where I have
(07:07):
been around here and I wanted to do my other work,
which is things like, you know, write check reviews for
the website and stuff like that. I am amazed all
people do is stand around, drink coffee, Go and get coffee,
Go get a muffin, go out for a vait. Come
back again. Somebody's only just arrived and they even't got
a coffee. I'll come down with you. That doesn't sound
(07:31):
productive to me. And I find that very frustrating. And
I kind of get what that woman we look like
a somebody in the Witness Perfection program. I kind of
get what she was on about. To be honest, right,
what's wrong with Wellington? Well everything?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Apparently In case of an emergency, car parks difficult to find,
cycle wags are plenty, but treacherous weather and wind conditions
make use incredibly difficult. City in a state of utter
chaos with little to no control by Lord Mayor Tory Farno.
Specific populations asked to avoid Sky Stadium include the All Blacks.
(08:09):
They've lost six tests in a row at the venue.
Chance of further losses highly likely. If All Black's unsure
which venue, the spilletin refers to please look for the
urine yellow colored seating. They call it the cake tin.
If travel is absolutely essential. Please exercise extreme caution, take
your own water, coffee, alcohol, lunch, body armor, a pen
(08:32):
and paper, and a calculator and chat GPT to help
decode the mayor's mixed messaging. Dress for disappointment, pack for evacuation.
And if somebody tries to sell you a cheap car, run.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't know, it's notine allowed to do that. I know,
we know. I used to write radio ads. We weren't
allowed to write as that sounded like news bulletins. Are
Are you allowed to do editorials that sound like travel advisories?
Quite a specific thing to not be allowed to do
or not be allowed to do.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I suppose sure, news talk zet bean.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
We're going to finish up for some time travel.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
At the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well maybe it's the beginning of a podcast. Technically you
could have fast forwarded to this and listened to this
bit first, and then gone back back and listened to
the other end of it.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
I'll tell you something that I kind of think about
from time to time, and it was prompted by an
article in the Daily Mail. It's a photo that claims
time travel exists. It looks like someone in the photo
(09:41):
has got an iPad. It's from the nineteen forties. And
these stories come up from time to time. And then
there was a woman there on a mobile phone, and
there was a woman on a scooter. And they always say,
is this proof time travel exists? Never is?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But where are we.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
With time travel?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
I spend quite a lot of time thinking about time travel,
and where I end up is this, If time travel
is invented in the future, like it could be fifty
years from now, three hundred years from now, depending on
(10:22):
how long this planet lasts, wouldn't we have been visited
by someone that someone would have come back and shared
the technology with us. And if I extrapolate that further,
(10:43):
isn't the reverse of that meaning that it can never exist?
Otherwise we would have seen evidence of it. Because all
sorts of things you can say, well, they'll happen in
the future and we'll never know. But time travel is
the one thing if it does happen in the future,
we would know about it because someone would have come
to us and told us about it.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That a good point. Actually, I don't know if I've
already heard that expressed that clearly before. That's that's why
we know that time and travel will never exist if
we haven't seen anybody from the future unless they've been
very secret about it, and as we people are terrible,
(11:25):
it's giving secrets even in the future. I am been
hearts that has been used to what they've been and
we'll see you in the future with tomorrow's edition. Although
if you're just listening to these back to back, it
doesn't really matter what kind of happened, does it. It's
(11:47):
time becoming left it less relevant. There's something that can
better think about as you go away before we come
back in a few seconds. If you're just listening to
these back to back. If you are, I'll see you
in a second.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
News Talk Talk Said Been. For more from News Talk
Said B listen live on or on and keep our
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