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FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Tuesday on Newstalk ZB) Fast-Track Backwards/Why Can't We Afford Anything Anymore?/Will Somebody Please Wipe My Bum?/Disgusting Drinks/Mea Culpa Tuesday
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First of Yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Tuesday. Let's talk tax baby, and
let's also talk why the government hasn't fixed all of
our problems for us yet. Marcus is talking weird drinks
(00:47):
and you won't believe what he drank, and a man
Keuny and Mayor Culper on the afternoon show. But before
any of that, so we thought we were fixing polytechs
by making it all one big polytech and that didn't work.
So now we're splitting them all up again. It's back
(01:09):
to the future. We're fast tracking, kicking ass, but going
backwards at the same time.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But it still feels like we're going back to where
we started from. And this ideological flip flop that we've
been going through is not free. So the Labor government
allocated hundreds of millions of dollars over several years to
support the merger and transformation of the vocational education sector.
They started doing this back in twenty twenty. It's five
years of it, hundreds of millions of dollars. Now Nashal
(01:33):
has budgeted another two hundred million dollars to fund the reversal.
The key cost drivers in this change include swapping out
the IT and systems integration across multiple institutions. They centralize them,
now they have to localize them. Obviously, staff restructuring, which
includes finding new staff for the polyteics and firing some
staff created in the centralization that we're in Wellington. Then
(01:55):
there's branding and communications, and there's legal and compliance costs.
It ain't cheap and at the end of the day
we're back to square one. Who knows if the politics
are going to be profitable. And the same thing's happening
over at Health New Zealand in fact, all over the country.
As this government reverses the last government's changes, people are
packing up their desks all over the country that they
(02:16):
first packed up four years ago. So when you look
at this, who's to blame well Labor for coming up
with the new ideas in the first place, or is
it national's dogged determination to reverse everything the last mob
did because they've built their brand on not being labor.
But I don't know about you. The whole thing feels
like wasteful government spending. And the question we have to
(02:37):
ask ourselves after this five years of change, are we
substantially better off?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah? It's I thought that we were a sort of
inter centralizing things a bit more and not having you know,
it's like the councils and the you know, the health
boards and all of you know, when we're supposed to
be streamlining everything. And just because labor couldn't get it
to work, does that mean that national couldn't get it
to work? Apparently it does. Anyway, news talk has it
(03:07):
been we are striving to sort of pay for all
the nice things that we want. And when I say
nice things, I mean things that you might expect, like,
I don't know, having a doctor there in your emergency
department when you need one. How are we going to
do that?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
So bold suggestions Douglas McCullough's more bold than Swarbrick. I
means Warbrick's just saying we're going to pay for more stuff,
and we're just going to raise the taxes to pay
for it. But does Chloe Swarbrick have a point that
we can initiate institutional reform if we want to. It's
(03:44):
been done before. It's bold, and it's visionary, and it's scary.
The bigger question, though, is should we as the system,
the tax system that we have right now working. Chloe Swarbrick,
(04:06):
Sir Roger and Professor mcculluch argue it's not unlikely bed fellows,
but bad fellows they are in terms of, you know,
saying that what we have right now is not fit
for purpose and certainly will not be fit for purpose
at all in the future. Do we need to make
(04:29):
institutional change around our tax system and the way we
pay for healthcare, the way we pay for superannuation as
we get older? The cradle to grave social security plan
devised in the nineteen thirties is still pretty much around
(04:50):
in the year twenty twenty five, nearly one hundred years later.
Times have changed. Does our tax system need to change
with it?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I're still getting quite figured out how come it worked
back then, but it doesn't anymore. We were always just
tipping money into a black hole by paying for everybody's
stuff Or was it just more efficient back then or
was it a different number of people or Yeah, basically
(05:22):
I'm asking why why can't we afford this stuff anymore?
When apparently we could at some stage, and at various
stages in.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The past, us talk side and.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Then it puts us in a difficult position. You know,
do we want the government to, as Mike Hoskin would say,
wipe our bums for us, or do we all just
go it alone.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
It's like trying to start a ceased engine, you know,
an old larder, no petrol, no oil, try and get
that thing going. That's kind of how it feels with
the economy at the moment, and I think that's why
last night I was so enthralled to be listening to
a podcast on Argentina and the Argentinian economy this turnaround
(06:01):
under the populist libertarian They call them a right wing lunatic.
Harvia he's the crazy looking one with long hair. He
wore the sunglasses during his election campaign, used an actual
chainsaw during his campaign rallies to show you what he
would do to government spending, and he has there's no
(06:22):
doubt some of his stuff wouldn't fly here. He basically
believes government should be limited to defense, foreign affairs, justice.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
That's pretty much it.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Government is the evil taxes, are theft, deregulate, privatize, slash spending.
I've been kind of following him a little bit since
he was elected, because he was elected around the same
time as Luxon was here, and the archies voted for
him because economically they were up the creek. Now they're
looking at seven close to eight percent growth for the year.
(06:54):
Inflation come right down. Yes, they have been through some pain,
a world of pain and poverty. This is a harsh
medicine that he's dosing out. But even that's now improved
on when he was elected. Now we're obviously nowhere near
the mismanaged basket case that Argentina and the Argentinan economy was,
(07:18):
But I just think it's important to remember we could
always be going a little harder, We could always be
going a little faster, shifting the dial quicker than we
are at present.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm just trying to think if I've ever seen a
larder in real life. Ryan's making the comparing our economy
to the larder. And I think the thing with ladders,
are they actually quite reliable, especially in like cold, harsh conditions.
Isn't that way? People were driving them all over the
(07:49):
Eastern Bloc back in the days of the Cold War,
I don't know. I know there were a lot of
jokes about ladders. There used to be a lot of
jokes about Scots as well, but they seem to be
all right now, especially since they were turned into police cars. Right.
If you are the kind of person who thinks that
Marcus is a bit strange, I think this makes that concerns.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
For some reason. I don't know the reason. I had myself.
I got home before we took the kids to karate,
and I made myself a.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Hot marmite.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
That's weird, isn't it. Yeah, like a spoon of marmite
and hot water. It was quite good money to shock
the kids because the kids are so easily shocked, and
they're not that created, not that adventurous. Sometimes when it
comes to food, delicious, delicious, hot winter warmer. And then
I'm reading sometime tonight about people are going on and
(08:42):
on about alan pa and milk like it's gone viral.
I've never heard of that. They say it's a South
Island drink. Never in my life have I come across
anyone mentioning ellen pea and milk. It doesn't sound delicious,
not really but anyway, that's a thing. So your secret
(09:05):
drink confessions.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Maybe, I mean, we're sure that we're who gave them
the idea for the cup of hot Bamie. Like he
surely he didn't just come up without himself. And if
he did, does he needs at least medication, if not
a hospitalization. I I, although I must have met one time,
(09:28):
I did decide that I was going to use coke
instead of milk and water. I don't know why. I
don't remember doing I don't know why I did this,
but I poured coke over my breakfast cereal. It's a
(09:50):
bit of an experiment. It was a disaster. It was
not good. Yeah, L and P and milk. I don't think.
I don't think. I don't think people are into badly milk,
are they? I think they decided that a few times.
I tell you what, you can put L and P
with bourbon and make it a b LP. I highly
(10:11):
recommend that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
News talk zip bean.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So it turns out, and I guess Tyler didn't realize
this that people from Manchester are not people who've been
brainwashed to assassinate the president.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Get a Tyler gave one mia colp is a big
part of our show. It is, in fact, it's nine
percent of our show apologizing for what we've done. But
yesterday really fired people up with your mispronunciation of the
people of Manchester. You Tyler and your ignorance referred to
them as Manchurians. Yep, the Mancunians. People from Manchester are Mancunians.
(10:52):
Write it down, man Cunians, Mancunians, Mancunian, not Manchurian.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
I mean, that's a great movie, but.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
The Manchurian candidate. So I'd like you to apologize to
those that great northern city and Liam and Noel Gallagher.
I'm not apologizing to do the Stone Roses, the Smiths.
You need to apologize.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Power in the in the newsroom. Sorry, Alex, I know
you're a man Cunian.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Okay, I've got a question for you. I'm originally from Dunedian.
Someone Dunedin Knight, there's auckland Is, there's Hamiltonians. What's someone from.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Christ Church you're from christ Cantabrian.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
No, but that's that's from the that's from the province.
But from the city.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
It's just Carian christ Churchian, No, not christ Churchian. What
christ christ Chuch night.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Who decides these things? What's someone from in Vicago and
InCAR Gigilian and then Vi Giglian?
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Yeah, what about Wisport Wisportian? Nowsonian, Yeah, there's nice christ Chuchian.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
I wonder what the rules that that that that you
decide that you know, who decides what you are? Because
it's just an Aucklander is just an Aucklander?
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Well look at this for weird people from Newcastle are
no Vocastrians?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Is that right?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Have I just been stitched up there? What is novocstor me?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It does make them sound like they've been recently castrated,
doesn't it, which is not. I don't think you want
to be known for their interesting to hear that the
maya culpa is a regular feature on the on their show?
Are they doing that on Pivot? So they saying random
stuff one day just so they could apologize it for
it the next. I suppose it. You know, I've heard
(12:35):
of I've heard of worse ways of programming a radio station,
but you know it's reasonably unconventional. I suppose it's a
bit like what the spring Box did the other day
and that guess match where they deliberately gave the opposition
a scrum. It's a sort of answer that thing. I'm
conventional but entertaining a bit like this podcast. Hopefully let's
(12:57):
do that again tomorrow. Shall we meet back here, same time,
same place, but don't us.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Talk Talk Said Been. For more from News Talk Said B.
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said be
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First of Yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Tuesday. Let's talk tax baby, and
let's also talk why the government hasn't fixed all of
our problems for us yet. Marcus is talking weird drinks
(00:47):
and you won't believe what he drank, and a man
Keuny and Mayor Culper on the afternoon show. But before
any of that, so we thought we were fixing polytechs
by making it all one big polytech and that didn't work.
So now we're splitting them all up again. It's back
(01:09):
to the future. We're fast tracking, kicking ass, but going
backwards at the same time.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But it still feels like we're going back to where
we started from. And this ideological flip flop that we've
been going through is not free. So the Labor government
allocated hundreds of millions of dollars over several years to
support the merger and transformation of the vocational education sector.
They started doing this back in twenty twenty. It's five
years of it, hundreds of millions of dollars. Now Nashal
(01:33):
has budgeted another two hundred million dollars to fund the reversal.
The key cost drivers in this change include swapping out
the IT and systems integration across multiple institutions. They centralize them,
now they have to localize them. Obviously, staff restructuring, which
includes finding new staff for the polyteics and firing some
staff created in the centralization that we're in Wellington. Then
(01:55):
there's branding and communications, and there's legal and compliance costs.
It ain't cheap and at the end of the day
we're back to square one. Who knows if the politics
are going to be profitable. And the same thing's happening
over at Health New Zealand in fact, all over the country.
As this government reverses the last government's changes, people are
packing up their desks all over the country that they
(02:16):
first packed up four years ago. So when you look
at this, who's to blame well Labor for coming up
with the new ideas in the first place, or is
it national's dogged determination to reverse everything the last mob
did because they've built their brand on not being labor.
But I don't know about you. The whole thing feels
like wasteful government spending. And the question we have to
(02:37):
ask ourselves after this five years of change, are we
substantially better off?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah? It's I thought that we were a sort of
inter centralizing things a bit more and not having you know,
it's like the councils and the you know, the health
boards and all of you know, when we're supposed to
be streamlining everything. And just because labor couldn't get it
to work, does that mean that national couldn't get it
to work? Apparently it does. Anyway, news talk has it
(03:07):
been we are striving to sort of pay for all
the nice things that we want. And when I say
nice things, I mean things that you might expect, like,
I don't know, having a doctor there in your emergency
department when you need one. How are we going to
do that?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
So bold suggestions Douglas McCullough's more bold than Swarbrick. I
means Warbrick's just saying we're going to pay for more stuff,
and we're just going to raise the taxes to pay
for it. But does Chloe Swarbrick have a point that
we can initiate institutional reform if we want to. It's
(03:44):
been done before. It's bold, and it's visionary, and it's scary.
The bigger question, though, is should we as the system,
the tax system that we have right now working. Chloe Swarbrick,
(04:06):
Sir Roger and Professor mcculluch argue it's not unlikely bed fellows,
but bad fellows they are in terms of, you know,
saying that what we have right now is not fit
for purpose and certainly will not be fit for purpose
at all in the future. Do we need to make
(04:29):
institutional change around our tax system and the way we
pay for healthcare, the way we pay for superannuation as
we get older? The cradle to grave social security plan
devised in the nineteen thirties is still pretty much around
(04:50):
in the year twenty twenty five, nearly one hundred years later.
Times have changed. Does our tax system need to change
with it?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I're still getting quite figured out how come it worked
back then, but it doesn't anymore. We were always just
tipping money into a black hole by paying for everybody's
stuff Or was it just more efficient back then or
was it a different number of people or Yeah, basically
(05:22):
I'm asking why why can't we afford this stuff anymore?
When apparently we could at some stage, and at various
stages in.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The past, us talk side and.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Then it puts us in a difficult position. You know,
do we want the government to, as Mike Hoskin would say,
wipe our bums for us, or do we all just
go it alone.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
It's like trying to start a ceased engine, you know,
an old larder, no petrol, no oil, try and get
that thing going. That's kind of how it feels with
the economy at the moment, and I think that's why
last night I was so enthralled to be listening to
a podcast on Argentina and the Argentinian economy this turnaround
(06:01):
under the populist libertarian They call them a right wing lunatic.
Harvia he's the crazy looking one with long hair. He
wore the sunglasses during his election campaign, used an actual
chainsaw during his campaign rallies to show you what he
would do to government spending, and he has there's no
(06:22):
doubt some of his stuff wouldn't fly here. He basically
believes government should be limited to defense, foreign affairs, justice.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
That's pretty much it.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Government is the evil taxes, are theft, deregulate, privatize, slash spending.
I've been kind of following him a little bit since
he was elected, because he was elected around the same
time as Luxon was here, and the archies voted for
him because economically they were up the creek. Now they're
looking at seven close to eight percent growth for the year.
(06:54):
Inflation come right down. Yes, they have been through some pain,
a world of pain and poverty. This is a harsh
medicine that he's dosing out. But even that's now improved
on when he was elected. Now we're obviously nowhere near
the mismanaged basket case that Argentina and the Argentinan economy was,
(07:18):
But I just think it's important to remember we could
always be going a little harder, We could always be
going a little faster, shifting the dial quicker than we
are at present.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm just trying to think if I've ever seen a
larder in real life. Ryan's making the comparing our economy
to the larder. And I think the thing with ladders,
are they actually quite reliable, especially in like cold, harsh conditions.
Isn't that way? People were driving them all over the
(07:49):
Eastern Bloc back in the days of the Cold War,
I don't know. I know there were a lot of
jokes about ladders. There used to be a lot of
jokes about Scots as well, but they seem to be
all right now, especially since they were turned into police cars. Right.
If you are the kind of person who thinks that
Marcus is a bit strange, I think this makes that concerns.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
For some reason. I don't know the reason. I had myself.
I got home before we took the kids to karate,
and I made myself a.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Hot marmite.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
That's weird, isn't it. Yeah, like a spoon of marmite
and hot water. It was quite good money to shock
the kids because the kids are so easily shocked, and
they're not that created, not that adventurous. Sometimes when it
comes to food, delicious, delicious, hot winter warmer. And then
I'm reading sometime tonight about people are going on and
(08:42):
on about alan pa and milk like it's gone viral.
I've never heard of that. They say it's a South
Island drink. Never in my life have I come across
anyone mentioning ellen pea and milk. It doesn't sound delicious,
not really but anyway, that's a thing. So your secret
(09:05):
drink confessions.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Maybe, I mean, we're sure that we're who gave them
the idea for the cup of hot Bamie. Like he
surely he didn't just come up without himself. And if
he did, does he needs at least medication, if not
a hospitalization. I I, although I must have met one time,
(09:28):
I did decide that I was going to use coke
instead of milk and water. I don't know why. I
don't remember doing I don't know why I did this,
but I poured coke over my breakfast cereal. It's a
(09:50):
bit of an experiment. It was a disaster. It was
not good. Yeah, L and P and milk. I don't think.
I don't think. I don't think people are into badly milk,
are they? I think they decided that a few times.
I tell you what, you can put L and P
with bourbon and make it a b LP. I highly
(10:11):
recommend that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
News talk zip bean.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So it turns out, and I guess Tyler didn't realize
this that people from Manchester are not people who've been
brainwashed to assassinate the president.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Get a Tyler gave one mia colp is a big
part of our show. It is, in fact, it's nine
percent of our show apologizing for what we've done. But
yesterday really fired people up with your mispronunciation of the
people of Manchester. You Tyler and your ignorance referred to
them as Manchurians. Yep, the Mancunians. People from Manchester are Mancunians.
(10:52):
Write it down, man Cunians, Mancunians, Mancunian, not Manchurian.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
I mean, that's a great movie, but.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
The Manchurian candidate. So I'd like you to apologize to
those that great northern city and Liam and Noel Gallagher.
I'm not apologizing to do the Stone Roses, the Smiths.
You need to apologize.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Power in the in the newsroom. Sorry, Alex, I know
you're a man Cunian.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Okay, I've got a question for you. I'm originally from Dunedian.
Someone Dunedin Knight, there's auckland Is, there's Hamiltonians. What's someone from.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Christ Church you're from christ Cantabrian.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
No, but that's that's from the that's from the province.
But from the city.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
It's just Carian christ Churchian, No, not christ Churchian. What
christ christ Chuch night.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Who decides these things? What's someone from in Vicago and
InCAR Gigilian and then Vi Giglian?
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Yeah, what about Wisport Wisportian? Nowsonian, Yeah, there's nice christ Chuchian.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
I wonder what the rules that that that that you
decide that you know, who decides what you are? Because
it's just an Aucklander is just an Aucklander?
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Well look at this for weird people from Newcastle are
no Vocastrians?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Is that right?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Have I just been stitched up there? What is novocstor me?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It does make them sound like they've been recently castrated,
doesn't it, which is not. I don't think you want
to be known for their interesting to hear that the
maya culpa is a regular feature on the on their show?
Are they doing that on Pivot? So they saying random
stuff one day just so they could apologize it for
it the next. I suppose it. You know, I've heard
(12:35):
of I've heard of worse ways of programming a radio station,
but you know it's reasonably unconventional. I suppose it's a
bit like what the spring Box did the other day
and that guess match where they deliberately gave the opposition
a scrum. It's a sort of answer that thing. I'm
conventional but entertaining a bit like this podcast. Hopefully let's
(12:57):
do that again tomorrow. Shall we meet back here, same time,
same place, but don't us.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Talk Talk Said Been. For more from News Talk Said B.
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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