September 11, 2025 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Thursday on Newstalk ZB) The Right to Free Speech VS the Right to Bear Arms/Great Diplomacy, Israel/Guilty Until Proven Innocent/That About Wraps it Up for Netball
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Friday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Billion Hart and we're
looking back at Thursday dramatic whole week. Don't forget in
the middle of all this Israel drop some bombs on
a Western ally guitar.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
We'll talk about that back here.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Guilty until proven innocent for shoplifting now is a bit weird,
isn't it. And we're going to finish up with the
chaos that is New Zealand netbab But before any of that, Yes,
during the show yesterday, the breakfast show that is.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Right wing.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Instigator, media personality, rouser of right wing you, Charlie Kirk
shot dead.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
What did Peter have to say about that?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Eighteen? I think this is the stays a very important crossroads.
So on, like you were talking about on the free speech,
when Trumpet came down that tower and assumed the seat
of the White House, there was an active campaign to
hush anything that was Republican related. You know the talking guys,
(01:44):
you know the Shapiro's and Michael Knowles and Kirks weren't
even allowed on university campuses and it was just straight
out hushed. You can't say anything. You're not allowed to
say anything. We don't like it.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
And it's taken pretty much four years for you know,
the circle to turn back around and for them to engage.
And what I liked about Charlie is he knew that
the kids of the future, and yes he did a
lot of university's talks, because that's where the future lies
with the kids that are up and coming. And I
(02:19):
think where we're in a place where what's happening in
Britain and Australia with free speech is terribleys you know,
you can be arrested for writing something on Facebook, and
I think we're a step away from the same place.
But we need people like Kirk or other other players
(02:43):
in the field left or right to carry on it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So Peter seems to think that hate speech, racism, treason, sedition,
stuff like that, that's all fine as long as it's
only online. Is that what he's saying. I mean, personally,
I agree. I think anybody should be able to say
(03:05):
anything anywhere, anytime. But if you're going to have one
the things that people say out loud in the street,
it's going to apply to online as.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Well, doesn't it news talks.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Not that you can police anything like that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Of course, does Marcus have strong opinions about what happened
in America yesterday?
Speaker 7 (03:23):
A lot of people asked me ifhy a text about
opinions of things tonight too? What's my opinion of this
guy that's getting shot, who's not someone I'm familiar with.
I mean, no one getting shot is good, obviously, so
I don't know what people say. Well, what's your opinion
of it? I'm not sure what you'd say. I don't
know what people are angling for, like even wants to
(03:43):
turn something into some sort of divisive issue. No one
getting shot in America is good and unfortunate America people
getting shot all the time, and a lot of them
are children, and that's really sickening children at school where
they're supposed to be safe, and people say thoughts and prayers.
(04:11):
Well they're not saying that so much today, are they.
So I don't know what's changed, but yeah, it's tragic.
And the FBI have made a bit of a hash
about finding the perpetrator. They've rested two people that were
in the people that were the perpetrators. And it's been
I think it's been a long time. I think it's
(04:32):
been about twenty years or twenty hours since it happened,
might be twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I am, yeah, I mean I guess a lot of people, Yeah,
have no idea who Charlie Kirk is.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And what he's about.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And Marcus is right, I mean, we're not in favor
of people shooting people. I mean, personally, I'd rather hear
a lot less from people like Charlie Kirk. And yeah,
and I certainly don't want people to be shot or
harmed in any way. But look, here's an example of
what Charlie Kirk was about. If you're not familiar with.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Them, because you know, I guess a lot of people aren't.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So the event yesterday, as he would sit there and
basically it was kind of like a Q and A
or an on the spot de bait where people could
come up and take them on. There was a mic
for members of the audience to come up and challenge
his views on things. So his views on things like
the Second Amendment, which is the right to bear.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Arms of course in America.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
What do you what would you say is the ultimate
and final purpose of the Second Amendment?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I think it's self.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Defense against the tyrannical government, which we agree, sure.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Great, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I don't know who thought who was bearing arms against
what in that situation, But there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Talk and depressingly.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Israel has been at it again, going after some Hamas
senior leadership, which it sound like they only got some
junior menmbers. So that's caused a lot of issues, especially
now that they're talking about having to go again because
they didn't get the people that they want.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
And who is he aiming for? The Hummas lead negotiator,
the same guy who as recently as last week was
being given ceasefire details from the Americans via the Egyptians
and the qataris if you really want peace, you don't
fire missiles at the guy you're negotiating with. Now, if
you're Hamas, what are you going to do now that
the place you thought was safe to have talks no
(06:37):
longer feel so safe. Some in Hammas believe the whole
thing was a setup. According to the BBC, the American
ceasefire proposal was all a trick to get them in
one place at one time and then bang bomb them,
blow them up. And you can't blame them for thinking that,
can you. It doesn't matter where you look, which continent,
which war, diplomacy doesn't seem to be working. The Americans
(07:00):
look weak, Trump looks weak. Netanyahoo's taking him for a
ride and putin well, he couldn't care less. And the
one guy in the world sitting back watching, smiling, biding
his time and growing a military empire is one shooing
ping of China.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's easy to think that the world's going to hell
in a handcut, really, isn't it when you hear Ryan
talking about it like that.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Let's just remind ourselves that we are living.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
In the best of times, technology wise, health wise, in
many ways, food, security, shelters, security, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's a few hearing things.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Going on, but I'm sure we can sort them out eventually.
Set right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
What we're trying to sort out here back in New
Zealand is shoplifting.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Apparently.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now, if somebody thinks that you've shoplifted, you have, and
it's up to you to prove that you haven't.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
And equating it to speeding is just sully. Most of
the time when people are speeding, nobody has impacted. I
accept that. When things go wrong, horrific. But most of
the time, if people are going five to ten k's
over the limit on a note and rode with nobody around,
nobody's armed, you know, And if you do get pinged
(08:15):
by a speed camera, you pay. Because for the most part,
just about everybody I think has gone over the limit.
I mean, I'm making a huge general assumption here, and
put me right if I'm wrong. Most people have gone
over the limit once or twice. If you pinged, you
pay your fine. And that's that. Shoplifting is a whole
other thing. Every time you slide a bottle of nail
(08:36):
polish into your pocket or walk out with a trolley
full of goods, we all get impacted, retailers, insurers, shoppers, cops,
the lot. What on earth is the point of introducing
a law that the law breakers will simply ignore.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, I'm uncomfortable about this.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I don't the right to presumed innocent, to be presumed innocent.
And the more I think about it, because it did
get compared to the whole instant speeding fine thing a
lot yesterday, all that's done.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Is made me feel uncomfortable about that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I'm starting to think that if I ever get pulled
out of the speeding, I'm just going to say see
you in court, buddy.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I'm sure that will work out well for me.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
News Talk Zed Bean.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
All right, So I think we've pretty much decided that
netball's done.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And we just about wrapped it up for netball.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
But we're not going to do netball anymore, because I mean,
come on, just look at it.
Speaker 10 (09:37):
Gordon Kitchens, the sevens rugby legend, called us at News
Talk ZB to convey his support for Dame Knowles. Former
coach Vonn Willering says Noles is not old school at
all and she does listen to her players. Now, the
details of what has happened to get to this point
are fairly sketchy. Everybody's trying to keep things quiet. But
what we know is that two players complained on behalf
(09:58):
of a group of players, and that sparked a review,
and that review has led to her being stood down.
And what these players have complained about is her communications
style and that they were psychologically unsafe. Now you can
probably figure out what's going on here, can't you? We've
got a generational problem, don't we. This looks to me
like a generation of young players who don't like tough
(10:20):
feedback and hard words. For whatever reason that is, I
don't know. Maybe because they are the generation raised through
gentle parenting techniques where mum and dad didn't want to
have to say no to them, so didn't say no
to them, didn't want to tell them they've been bad
kids and being naughty. And maybe they're the generation that
came through the education system, the current one where everyone
gets a pass and no one experiences failure. They are
(10:41):
the ones who've gone and complained because they're psychologically unsafe,
to which I think most of us who've experienced a
little bit of life and didn't go through this nonsense
with parenting and schooling, would say, do you know what
you need to do. You need to grow up, you
need to get hard. Life is tough. You're an elite athlete.
If your welfare is getting in the way of your excellence,
get out of the squad. Unfortunately, for us, the person
(11:03):
who is out of the squad is someone who understands
excellence and has actually achieved a hell of a lot
of excellence, and unfortunately she will probably stay out of
the squad, even though she's only been stood down at
the moment. I mean, think about it. I can't see
her coming back in. If they have to pick between
one coach and several players, They're going to choose the
several players, aren't they. And frankly, I don't think that
(11:24):
Dame Knowles should want to come back because of her
excellence and her skills aren't appreciated by this generation of players.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Why bother how.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
One, isn't it? I mean, I guess you know, if
you don't want to play, just don't play. Don't find
something else to do. Is I think one of the senior.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Ex net boards said yesterday or that before.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But they have gone and made it professional and everything,
so it is kind of these people's jobs. So I
guess they do have some They've got a bit of
skin in the game, haven't they. They don't like how
things are being managed. It's tricky, but yeah, there are
(12:06):
other games and it is only a sport. It's not
training science or rupert surgery. No, no, I'm sorry if
I sound a bit dismissed. The meatful I had played
a lot of meatball.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Over the years. I wasn't very good at it.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Usually I get the ball in the whistle and go
I have to give up to somebody else, And without
knowing why that was often that was sort of how
would become my play with So I moved on to
other games.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I am a glen hat that has been used to us.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You've been this is the game we're playing at the moment,
and I'll be back for another couple of halves.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
On Monday used Talking talks.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It been for more from news Talk, said b. Listen
live on air or online, and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Friday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Billion Hart and we're
looking back at Thursday dramatic whole week. Don't forget in
the middle of all this Israel drop some bombs on
a Western ally guitar.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
We'll talk about that back here.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Guilty until proven innocent for shoplifting now is a bit weird,
isn't it. And we're going to finish up with the
chaos that is New Zealand netbab But before any of that, Yes,
during the show yesterday, the breakfast show that is.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Right wing.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Instigator, media personality, rouser of right wing you, Charlie Kirk
shot dead.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
What did Peter have to say about that?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Eighteen? I think this is the stays a very important crossroads.
So on, like you were talking about on the free speech,
when Trumpet came down that tower and assumed the seat
of the White House, there was an active campaign to
hush anything that was Republican related. You know the talking guys,
(01:44):
you know the Shapiro's and Michael Knowles and Kirks weren't
even allowed on university campuses and it was just straight
out hushed. You can't say anything. You're not allowed to
say anything. We don't like it.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
And it's taken pretty much four years for you know,
the circle to turn back around and for them to engage.
And what I liked about Charlie is he knew that
the kids of the future, and yes he did a
lot of university's talks, because that's where the future lies
with the kids that are up and coming. And I
(02:19):
think where we're in a place where what's happening in
Britain and Australia with free speech is terribleys you know,
you can be arrested for writing something on Facebook, and
I think we're a step away from the same place.
But we need people like Kirk or other other players
(02:43):
in the field left or right to carry on it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So Peter seems to think that hate speech, racism, treason, sedition,
stuff like that, that's all fine as long as it's
only online. Is that what he's saying. I mean, personally,
I agree. I think anybody should be able to say
(03:05):
anything anywhere, anytime. But if you're going to have one
the things that people say out loud in the street,
it's going to apply to online as.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Well, doesn't it news talks.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Not that you can police anything like that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Of course, does Marcus have strong opinions about what happened
in America yesterday?
Speaker 7 (03:23):
A lot of people asked me ifhy a text about
opinions of things tonight too? What's my opinion of this
guy that's getting shot, who's not someone I'm familiar with.
I mean, no one getting shot is good, obviously, so
I don't know what people say. Well, what's your opinion
of it? I'm not sure what you'd say. I don't
know what people are angling for, like even wants to
(03:43):
turn something into some sort of divisive issue. No one
getting shot in America is good and unfortunate America people
getting shot all the time, and a lot of them
are children, and that's really sickening children at school where
they're supposed to be safe, and people say thoughts and prayers.
(04:11):
Well they're not saying that so much today, are they.
So I don't know what's changed, but yeah, it's tragic.
And the FBI have made a bit of a hash
about finding the perpetrator. They've rested two people that were
in the people that were the perpetrators. And it's been
I think it's been a long time. I think it's
(04:32):
been about twenty years or twenty hours since it happened,
might be twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I am, yeah, I mean I guess a lot of people, Yeah,
have no idea who Charlie Kirk is.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And what he's about.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And Marcus is right, I mean, we're not in favor
of people shooting people. I mean, personally, I'd rather hear
a lot less from people like Charlie Kirk. And yeah,
and I certainly don't want people to be shot or
harmed in any way. But look, here's an example of
what Charlie Kirk was about. If you're not familiar with.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Them, because you know, I guess a lot of people aren't.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So the event yesterday, as he would sit there and
basically it was kind of like a Q and A
or an on the spot de bait where people could
come up and take them on. There was a mic
for members of the audience to come up and challenge
his views on things. So his views on things like
the Second Amendment, which is the right to bear.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Arms of course in America.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
What do you what would you say is the ultimate
and final purpose of the Second Amendment?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I think it's self.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Defense against the tyrannical government, which we agree, sure.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Great, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I don't know who thought who was bearing arms against
what in that situation, But there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Talk and depressingly.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Israel has been at it again, going after some Hamas
senior leadership, which it sound like they only got some
junior menmbers. So that's caused a lot of issues, especially
now that they're talking about having to go again because
they didn't get the people that they want.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
And who is he aiming for? The Hummas lead negotiator,
the same guy who as recently as last week was
being given ceasefire details from the Americans via the Egyptians
and the qataris if you really want peace, you don't
fire missiles at the guy you're negotiating with. Now, if
you're Hamas, what are you going to do now that
the place you thought was safe to have talks no
(06:37):
longer feel so safe. Some in Hammas believe the whole
thing was a setup. According to the BBC, the American
ceasefire proposal was all a trick to get them in
one place at one time and then bang bomb them,
blow them up. And you can't blame them for thinking that,
can you. It doesn't matter where you look, which continent,
which war, diplomacy doesn't seem to be working. The Americans
(07:00):
look weak, Trump looks weak. Netanyahoo's taking him for a
ride and putin well, he couldn't care less. And the
one guy in the world sitting back watching, smiling, biding
his time and growing a military empire is one shooing
ping of China.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's easy to think that the world's going to hell
in a handcut, really, isn't it when you hear Ryan
talking about it like that.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Let's just remind ourselves that we are living.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
In the best of times, technology wise, health wise, in
many ways, food, security, shelters, security, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's a few hearing things.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Going on, but I'm sure we can sort them out eventually.
Set right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
What we're trying to sort out here back in New
Zealand is shoplifting.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Apparently.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now, if somebody thinks that you've shoplifted, you have, and
it's up to you to prove that you haven't.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
And equating it to speeding is just sully. Most of
the time when people are speeding, nobody has impacted. I
accept that. When things go wrong, horrific. But most of
the time, if people are going five to ten k's
over the limit on a note and rode with nobody around,
nobody's armed, you know, And if you do get pinged
(08:15):
by a speed camera, you pay. Because for the most part,
just about everybody I think has gone over the limit.
I mean, I'm making a huge general assumption here, and
put me right if I'm wrong. Most people have gone
over the limit once or twice. If you pinged, you
pay your fine. And that's that. Shoplifting is a whole
other thing. Every time you slide a bottle of nail
(08:36):
polish into your pocket or walk out with a trolley
full of goods, we all get impacted, retailers, insurers, shoppers, cops,
the lot. What on earth is the point of introducing
a law that the law breakers will simply ignore.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, I'm uncomfortable about this.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I don't the right to presumed innocent, to be presumed innocent.
And the more I think about it, because it did
get compared to the whole instant speeding fine thing a
lot yesterday, all that's done.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Is made me feel uncomfortable about that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I'm starting to think that if I ever get pulled
out of the speeding, I'm just going to say see
you in court, buddy.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I'm sure that will work out well for me.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
News Talk Zed Bean.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
All right, So I think we've pretty much decided that
netball's done.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And we just about wrapped it up for netball.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
But we're not going to do netball anymore, because I mean,
come on, just look at it.
Speaker 10 (09:37):
Gordon Kitchens, the sevens rugby legend, called us at News
Talk ZB to convey his support for Dame Knowles. Former
coach Vonn Willering says Noles is not old school at
all and she does listen to her players. Now, the
details of what has happened to get to this point
are fairly sketchy. Everybody's trying to keep things quiet. But
what we know is that two players complained on behalf
(09:58):
of a group of players, and that sparked a review,
and that review has led to her being stood down.
And what these players have complained about is her communications
style and that they were psychologically unsafe. Now you can
probably figure out what's going on here, can't you? We've
got a generational problem, don't we. This looks to me
like a generation of young players who don't like tough
(10:20):
feedback and hard words. For whatever reason that is, I
don't know. Maybe because they are the generation raised through
gentle parenting techniques where mum and dad didn't want to
have to say no to them, so didn't say no
to them, didn't want to tell them they've been bad
kids and being naughty. And maybe they're the generation that
came through the education system, the current one where everyone
gets a pass and no one experiences failure. They are
(10:41):
the ones who've gone and complained because they're psychologically unsafe,
to which I think most of us who've experienced a
little bit of life and didn't go through this nonsense
with parenting and schooling, would say, do you know what
you need to do. You need to grow up, you
need to get hard. Life is tough. You're an elite athlete.
If your welfare is getting in the way of your excellence,
get out of the squad. Unfortunately, for us, the person
(11:03):
who is out of the squad is someone who understands
excellence and has actually achieved a hell of a lot
of excellence, and unfortunately she will probably stay out of
the squad, even though she's only been stood down at
the moment. I mean, think about it. I can't see
her coming back in. If they have to pick between
one coach and several players, They're going to choose the
several players, aren't they. And frankly, I don't think that
(11:24):
Dame Knowles should want to come back because of her
excellence and her skills aren't appreciated by this generation of players.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Why bother how.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
One, isn't it? I mean, I guess you know, if
you don't want to play, just don't play. Don't find
something else to do. Is I think one of the senior.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Ex net boards said yesterday or that before.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But they have gone and made it professional and everything,
so it is kind of these people's jobs. So I
guess they do have some They've got a bit of
skin in the game, haven't they. They don't like how
things are being managed. It's tricky, but yeah, there are
(12:06):
other games and it is only a sport. It's not
training science or rupert surgery. No, no, I'm sorry if
I sound a bit dismissed. The meatful I had played
a lot of meatball.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Over the years. I wasn't very good at it.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Usually I get the ball in the whistle and go
I have to give up to somebody else, And without
knowing why that was often that was sort of how
would become my play with So I moved on to
other games.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I am a glen hat that has been used to us.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You've been this is the game we're playing at the moment,
and I'll be back for another couple of halves.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
On Monday used Talking talks.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It been for more from news Talk, said b. Listen
live on air or online, and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
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