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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hartmire looking back
at Wednesday. So the unemployment numbers came out, I think,
and some people are even though there are jobs, what's
happening with that. Pensioners are upset about the retirement village
(00:47):
rules even though they signed up to them. And we're
trying and find out what a beaver moon is because
that was happening last night. But before any of that,
homelessness is about to be outlawed. So if you thought
that you were one of the dregs of society, you haven't.
(01:07):
You don't even know how driggy you are yet.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's the associated issues, the problems that they have that
mean they don't feel either safe staying there, they don't
want to stay there. They don't feel comfortable being within
four walls. They're quite claustrophobic, especially those that have done time.
It is a huge issue, way beyond just putting a
roof overheads. If only that billion dollars into mental health
(01:34):
had actually done some work. So I don't blame the
retailers for saying, okay, make a law move them on.
At least if they are in communities twenty four to
seven communities, not retail areas, they might become part of
the community. They're dispersed throughout the community. You can I
(01:58):
don't know, adopt a homeless person. But like it was
in Ponsenbee back in the day, I don't know what
the answer is, really don't with so much money going
into mental health, but it doesn't seem to be affecting
the very people that you would hope would be benefiting
(02:20):
from that massive contribution of taxpayer money, those who are
living on the edge, those who are wired differently, those
who do need extra help, and those who are making
it almost impossible to run a business in the central city.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's always interesting, isn't it the mental health thing, because
you can blame a lot on mental health, and I
think it's easy to go, ah, you're homeless because you've
got poor mental health. But then why don't they do
that for everybody who does a serious crime. For example,
(02:59):
they do it with some people, but not with all
of them.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
News Talk Ze been.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, I think we sort of generally accept that
we've all got mental health issues these days, can we?
But we're not all determined to not live in a house,
are we.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
If the government does do it, it's not going to
be thanked for doing it. It's going to be criticized
for being heartless, for dumping the problem somewhere else, for
not providing enough wrap around support, for not dealing with
the complicated upstream issues that create the personal traumas that
lead to hamlessners, for trampling human rights. Whatever. You've heard
it all before, it's going to happen all over again.
And look, some of it is fair. I mean it
(03:36):
is a fair criticism that moving these people on doesn't
solve the problem. They have to go somewhere, and unless
they're going to go into a shelter or any shelter
and want to stay in that shelter, then authorities will
only be moving the problem somewhere else, from the city
center to the suburb or whatever. But having said that,
this has got to happen. I mean, come on, rough
sleepers cannot be allowed to crowd out our CBDs like
(03:58):
they are. That is not a consequence free decision. You
take a look at that heart of the city. Survey
of retailers in Auckland's Queen Street last month, ninety one
percent ninety one percent of businesses said rough sleepers and
begging were affecting their business. If you leave homeless to
sleep in doorways and in bus shelters, you are choosing
(04:19):
them over the retailers that they are affecting. And I
would say that that is the wrong choice to make,
because those retailers are trying to do the right thing
right They're trying to apply a trade, trying to pay
their taxes, and unlike the rough sleepers, they cannot simply
upsticks and move their shop to the next street. They
are the permanent ones. There was a time before COVID
when there weren't this many rough sleepers in our city centers.
We have to, for the sake of these businesses and
(04:40):
just for our cities, try to get back to that.
And if that requires the government making it possible to
move the homeless along, then they should be applauded and
not criticized for that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Can I just where you want to make clear that
I am not trying to trivialize mental health, or people
would mental health issues by saying that we all had
mental health issues. Quiet the opposite, I think that not
enough attention is pay to the issues that we all face.
(05:13):
And I do wonder if putting people, if these people
do have mental health issues, if throwing them in jail
is a great option. I don't know how many people's
mental health is improved by putting them in jail. Anyway,
what's the what happens at the same time, you know,
(05:34):
I crossed the street. If there's a bunch of people
living in ramshackle tents and cardboard boxes, talk and for
those of us lucky to live a quote normal unquote life,
you do sometimes wonder how this starts, Like do these
(05:55):
people once have a job and then they lost their
job and then it was a downhill spiral from there.
If that's the case, I guess we need to do
something about all these unemployed people, don't we.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
You lost your job over the past couple of years,
how hard is it being or was it to get
back into employment O. Eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty and the youth figure of fifteen percent of fifteen
to twenty four year olds being out of work should
be concerning particularly their parents out there. So if you
are a parent and you've had a child who's recently
finished university or the finished school, and they've been trying
(06:28):
to look for a job, what has their experience been like.
We hear time and time again that there are jobs
up in Northland digging up Kermita, there are jobs down
in central Tago on the orchards. Is it the fact
that younger people don't want to do the low level
jobs because we hear that they are out there. There
(06:49):
are many employers in some of those industries that are
screaming for good workers and they can't find them. So
is there an element there that perhaps younger people feel
that they are above those low level jobs that most
of us did when we're at that age.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I'd be completely screwed if I lost my job. I
think I've just discovered that I've been working for the
same company for thirty years. I don't have any other skills.
I mean I do. I've got a hazard as chemicals
handling certificate somewhere, so I know how to spray an orchard,
(07:32):
but I'm not doing that. I think I'd rather be
homeless us setting. So did you not realize when you
went in for your retirement village, and you were signing
all the papers that you weren't going to get the
capital games out of that. At the end of it all,
(07:53):
why are you marching on Parliament old people?
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Well, one of the biggest things on their mind is
the rules around retirement villages. And here is an example
that has been quoted about a couple who've been in
a retirement village for ten years, but they realized that
they needed more care, so they decided to move out
and find a more appropriate place to live. Now back
in the day, ten years beforehand, they bought their villa
for six hundred thousand dollars, but under the current situation
(08:16):
they'll only get four hundred thousand dollars of that money back,
so no capital gain at all. The village is then
free to on sell the villa, which is now valued
at one point two million, and they don't have to
pay the couples four hundred thousand dollars back until they
find someone to take over the license. Sometimes that can
take up to two years. So the couple bought a
(08:37):
six hundred thousand dollar house that's being sold by the
village for one point two million, and all the couple
get is four hundred grand and it may take two years.
That's harsh, right. No capital gain in fact a loss,
no funds at all on the bank until the village
decides to relicnse. The only way a village works for
you is if you stay in it till the day
you die. But you will not be passing on any
(08:59):
capital gains to your kids. You're going to lose half
your capital at least. That is the deal, and that's
the way it's been running for a while now. Back
in the day, Labors ingrid Leary promised to do something
about this, but of course they lost the election. Now
the government continues to say they support our seniors. They
also say they're railing against taxes on capital gains, but
nothing's really been happening. Our seniors are being hit with
(09:20):
basically de facto capital gains tax that far exceeds anything
labor has suggested. So I think it might be time
for the current government to walk the walk that you've
been walking, and talk the talk that you've been talking
but also not doing. Let's do something about it. Let's
not ruin our seniors last days by taking too much
(09:41):
of the money they spent their whole life working to have.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I guess is that they're being sort of altruistic and
they're trying to set it out to the next slot
of people who buy into retirement villages. I mean, I've
noticed that it gives some retirement villages a nice point
of difference because they say that you do own your
thing outright, and you do get capital gains. They're a
large percentage of it. But it's a bit like the
people who complain about what goes on at Eden Park,
(10:11):
because what's been going on and Eden Park has been
going on there longer than they've been living there in
most cases. So yeah, you go into these things with
your eyes open. I don't really think you've got the
right to complain about them. Maybe maybe there's something I'm
missing here.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
News talk, has it been right?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Let's finish up with Marcus and the show last night,
If Fireworks taught meyor r Me and Mandani in New
York Talk.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Also a bit of moon talk though, by the way,
today's a full moon, so it will be cardon should
a text that comes through. Not only is it a
full moon, it's a beaver moon, and a beaver moon
is the moon when the beavers are out and about.
It's the moon when the Earth it's closest to the moon,
so it appears bigger. In fact, that not only appears bigger,
it is bigger. It's the beaver moon. So that's full.
(11:03):
So you've got a full moon. You've got crazy weather
around the country. I don't know what the temperatures right
around the cant word, but I wouldn't be surprised to
him for the captin and stopped the top the nation.
But yeah, so also that is happening today. Can you
have a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Beaver moon and a place like New Zealand where we
don't have any beavers. I mean, I'm assuming they're talking.
They are talking about the animals, right then it's not
double on undred Tuesday say that sort of stuff that
double on undred Tuesday. It's not straight talking Thursday, Glenn.
(11:36):
Goodness me, sorry about that, guys. I'll charget myself together
for tomorrow's e.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
US Talk is dobs it Bean. For more from News
Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hartmire looking back
at Wednesday. So the unemployment numbers came out, I think,
and some people are even though there are jobs, what's
happening with that. Pensioners are upset about the retirement village
(00:47):
rules even though they signed up to them. And we're
trying and find out what a beaver moon is because
that was happening last night. But before any of that,
homelessness is about to be outlawed. So if you thought
that you were one of the dregs of society, you haven't.
(01:07):
You don't even know how driggy you are yet.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's the associated issues, the problems that they have that
mean they don't feel either safe staying there, they don't
want to stay there. They don't feel comfortable being within
four walls. They're quite claustrophobic, especially those that have done time.
It is a huge issue, way beyond just putting a
roof overheads. If only that billion dollars into mental health
(01:34):
had actually done some work. So I don't blame the
retailers for saying, okay, make a law move them on.
At least if they are in communities twenty four to
seven communities, not retail areas, they might become part of
the community. They're dispersed throughout the community. You can I
(01:58):
don't know, adopt a homeless person. But like it was
in Ponsenbee back in the day, I don't know what
the answer is, really don't with so much money going
into mental health, but it doesn't seem to be affecting
the very people that you would hope would be benefiting
(02:20):
from that massive contribution of taxpayer money, those who are
living on the edge, those who are wired differently, those
who do need extra help, and those who are making
it almost impossible to run a business in the central city.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's always interesting, isn't it the mental health thing, because
you can blame a lot on mental health, and I
think it's easy to go, ah, you're homeless because you've
got poor mental health. But then why don't they do
that for everybody who does a serious crime. For example,
(02:59):
they do it with some people, but not with all
of them.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
News Talk Ze been.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, I think we sort of generally accept that
we've all got mental health issues these days, can we?
But we're not all determined to not live in a house,
are we.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
If the government does do it, it's not going to
be thanked for doing it. It's going to be criticized
for being heartless, for dumping the problem somewhere else, for
not providing enough wrap around support, for not dealing with
the complicated upstream issues that create the personal traumas that
lead to hamlessners, for trampling human rights. Whatever. You've heard
it all before, it's going to happen all over again.
And look, some of it is fair. I mean it
(03:36):
is a fair criticism that moving these people on doesn't
solve the problem. They have to go somewhere, and unless
they're going to go into a shelter or any shelter
and want to stay in that shelter, then authorities will
only be moving the problem somewhere else, from the city
center to the suburb or whatever. But having said that,
this has got to happen. I mean, come on, rough
sleepers cannot be allowed to crowd out our CBDs like
(03:58):
they are. That is not a consequence free decision. You
take a look at that heart of the city. Survey
of retailers in Auckland's Queen Street last month, ninety one
percent ninety one percent of businesses said rough sleepers and
begging were affecting their business. If you leave homeless to
sleep in doorways and in bus shelters, you are choosing
(04:19):
them over the retailers that they are affecting. And I
would say that that is the wrong choice to make,
because those retailers are trying to do the right thing
right They're trying to apply a trade, trying to pay
their taxes, and unlike the rough sleepers, they cannot simply
upsticks and move their shop to the next street. They
are the permanent ones. There was a time before COVID
when there weren't this many rough sleepers in our city centers.
We have to, for the sake of these businesses and
(04:40):
just for our cities, try to get back to that.
And if that requires the government making it possible to
move the homeless along, then they should be applauded and
not criticized for that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Can I just where you want to make clear that
I am not trying to trivialize mental health, or people
would mental health issues by saying that we all had
mental health issues. Quiet the opposite, I think that not
enough attention is pay to the issues that we all face.
(05:13):
And I do wonder if putting people, if these people
do have mental health issues, if throwing them in jail
is a great option. I don't know how many people's
mental health is improved by putting them in jail. Anyway,
what's the what happens at the same time, you know,
(05:34):
I crossed the street. If there's a bunch of people
living in ramshackle tents and cardboard boxes, talk and for
those of us lucky to live a quote normal unquote life,
you do sometimes wonder how this starts, Like do these
(05:55):
people once have a job and then they lost their
job and then it was a downhill spiral from there.
If that's the case, I guess we need to do
something about all these unemployed people, don't we.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
You lost your job over the past couple of years,
how hard is it being or was it to get
back into employment O. Eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty and the youth figure of fifteen percent of fifteen
to twenty four year olds being out of work should
be concerning particularly their parents out there. So if you
are a parent and you've had a child who's recently
finished university or the finished school, and they've been trying
(06:28):
to look for a job, what has their experience been like.
We hear time and time again that there are jobs
up in Northland digging up Kermita, there are jobs down
in central Tago on the orchards. Is it the fact
that younger people don't want to do the low level
jobs because we hear that they are out there. There
(06:49):
are many employers in some of those industries that are
screaming for good workers and they can't find them. So
is there an element there that perhaps younger people feel
that they are above those low level jobs that most
of us did when we're at that age.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I'd be completely screwed if I lost my job. I
think I've just discovered that I've been working for the
same company for thirty years. I don't have any other skills.
I mean I do. I've got a hazard as chemicals
handling certificate somewhere, so I know how to spray an orchard,
(07:32):
but I'm not doing that. I think I'd rather be
homeless us setting. So did you not realize when you
went in for your retirement village, and you were signing
all the papers that you weren't going to get the
capital games out of that. At the end of it all,
(07:53):
why are you marching on Parliament old people?
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Well, one of the biggest things on their mind is
the rules around retirement villages. And here is an example
that has been quoted about a couple who've been in
a retirement village for ten years, but they realized that
they needed more care, so they decided to move out
and find a more appropriate place to live. Now back
in the day, ten years beforehand, they bought their villa
for six hundred thousand dollars, but under the current situation
(08:16):
they'll only get four hundred thousand dollars of that money back,
so no capital gain at all. The village is then
free to on sell the villa, which is now valued
at one point two million, and they don't have to
pay the couples four hundred thousand dollars back until they
find someone to take over the license. Sometimes that can
take up to two years. So the couple bought a
(08:37):
six hundred thousand dollar house that's being sold by the
village for one point two million, and all the couple
get is four hundred grand and it may take two years.
That's harsh, right. No capital gain in fact a loss,
no funds at all on the bank until the village
decides to relicnse. The only way a village works for
you is if you stay in it till the day
you die. But you will not be passing on any
(08:59):
capital gains to your kids. You're going to lose half
your capital at least. That is the deal, and that's
the way it's been running for a while now. Back
in the day, Labors ingrid Leary promised to do something
about this, but of course they lost the election. Now
the government continues to say they support our seniors. They
also say they're railing against taxes on capital gains, but
nothing's really been happening. Our seniors are being hit with
(09:20):
basically de facto capital gains tax that far exceeds anything
labor has suggested. So I think it might be time
for the current government to walk the walk that you've
been walking, and talk the talk that you've been talking
but also not doing. Let's do something about it. Let's
not ruin our seniors last days by taking too much
(09:41):
of the money they spent their whole life working to have.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I guess is that they're being sort of altruistic and
they're trying to set it out to the next slot
of people who buy into retirement villages. I mean, I've
noticed that it gives some retirement villages a nice point
of difference because they say that you do own your
thing outright, and you do get capital gains. They're a
large percentage of it. But it's a bit like the
people who complain about what goes on at Eden Park,
(10:11):
because what's been going on and Eden Park has been
going on there longer than they've been living there in
most cases. So yeah, you go into these things with
your eyes open. I don't really think you've got the
right to complain about them. Maybe maybe there's something I'm
missing here.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
News talk, has it been right?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Let's finish up with Marcus and the show last night,
If Fireworks taught meyor r Me and Mandani in New
York Talk.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Also a bit of moon talk though, by the way,
today's a full moon, so it will be cardon should
a text that comes through. Not only is it a
full moon, it's a beaver moon, and a beaver moon
is the moon when the beavers are out and about.
It's the moon when the Earth it's closest to the moon,
so it appears bigger. In fact, that not only appears bigger,
it is bigger. It's the beaver moon. So that's full.
(11:03):
So you've got a full moon. You've got crazy weather
around the country. I don't know what the temperatures right
around the cant word, but I wouldn't be surprised to
him for the captin and stopped the top the nation.
But yeah, so also that is happening today. Can you
have a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Beaver moon and a place like New Zealand where we
don't have any beavers. I mean, I'm assuming they're talking.
They are talking about the animals, right then it's not
double on undred Tuesday say that sort of stuff that
double on undred Tuesday. It's not straight talking Thursday, Glenn.
(11:36):
Goodness me, sorry about that, guys. I'll charget myself together
for tomorrow's e.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
US Talk is dobs it Bean. For more from News
Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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