July 24, 2025 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Thursday on Newstalk ZB) Should We Even Try?/An Uncomfortably One-sided Issue/Venting About Butter/Walkway Aggro
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Friday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart. And today
this whole issue of trans sports people, which apparently is
an issue, a butter obviously an issue, and then something
(00:50):
that I'm not necessarily sure is an issue, but I
was interested in it is keeping left, not politically, not
while driving, but while walking. Before any of that, we've
got more homeless than before, I think, or do we?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And they both went out and bought some furniture from
an opshop, and he moved into his little brick and
tile and Papakura, and wouldn't you know it, two weeks
later he was back living rough downtown. Why because in
Papakura he was lonely. His people were fellow rough sleepers,
They were his friends. They were the only community he had.
(01:32):
He had no family. His friends were living rough in
downtown Auckland. He was in Papakura, knew nobody felt that
everybody hated him, and so given the answer, he turned
us back on it. Now this is not a tale
to say that housing the homeless is useless because they
(01:54):
want to live this way. But it does acknowledge that
while they don't like living rough, it is what they
know and they feel they feel that it is safer
than the solutions we offer. All right, So the minister
and everybody says it's not good enough, and it isn't.
But finding a solution we're found is very hard. Indeed,
(02:18):
while the problem is hard, and maybe the solutions are
hard as well, we as a community need to understand
it and understand the real drivers before we start throwing
money at it. We've learned that, haven't we. We are
throwing money at at five hundred and fifty dollars and
at eight worken. But if we understand why it is,
(02:43):
maybe we could come up with some answers. And that
is the first step in learning how to solve everything.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yes, tricky, isn't it. If somebody wants to be on
the street, is it our job to tell them not
to want that? I mean, most people don't want that,
but apparently some people do.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
News talk Zeven, I have.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thoroughly confused myself on this issue. Let's see if Ryan
Bridgie can unconfuse me.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
The real question, which is the basis of what the
opposition's upset about. Did the government's crackdown on emergency housing
cause a wave of homelessness, you know, homeless refugees camping
out on the streets as a result. That's the question.
And here's the numbers. The number of households living in
emergency motels is down by seventy five percent. Eighty five percent,
(03:38):
or at least eighty percent of them went on to
some form of housing. So that's great. They managed to
smash through the list and get most people housed. That's
a success, surely. And this is where Labour's claim gets
a bit murky. Declines so people applying for the emergency
housing declines are on the increase, but mostly rejected because
(03:59):
their client either wasn't eligible or could be helped in
another way. An increase in homelessness doesn't necessarily mean the
emergency accommodation changes were a disaster. In fact, the numbers would,
at least on the face of them, are peter to
show it's been wildly successful at getting people out of
motels and into actual homes, including by the way, two
(04:23):
thousand children.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No that hasn't really cleaned things up for me at all.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was hoping.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That sort of apropos of nothing. I was in Wellington
a couple of weekends ago, had lunch or branch rather
on Cuba Street, and I watched a guy who he
seems to have a business mopping out front doors of
(04:56):
businesses first thing on a Sunday morning because of stuff
that people do in doorways and Cuba more. And I wondered,
if we've faxed homelessness, would he still.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Have a job?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You talk right, Let's turn our attention to trans people
wanting to play sport but not being allowed to. This
is another tricky one, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Where we've ended up today is a middle ground. The
guidelines are gone, there are no expectations one way or
the other. There are no threats of funding cuts. It
is now up to community sports themselves to decide what
to do. This is how it should be, because it
should actually be a decision made by each individual sporting body,
because different sports should approach this differently. I mean, netball,
(05:47):
for example, can probably make a very good case that
including trans athletes trans women poses little to no physical
risk to CIS women who are playing but boxing is
a completely different story. Boxing should not let trans women
box against sis women, So it's different for every sport. Now,
I'm sure there are going to be some sporting bodies
who will be unhappy about this decision because they will
(06:08):
have no rules and no guidelines and no one else
to blame for the decision that they ultimately have to
end up making. They're going to have to make these
tough calls themselves. But that's life, and if today is
anything to go by, maybe actually they can make those
tough calls without the rank orps, and the culture will
carry on that we've seen in some other countries. And
actually credit to us for doing this today and ending
up in the right place with the decorum that we have.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I wonder if it's a massive issue in the United States.
All I'm talking about this in the States and it's
always trans women playing or competing against other women. You
never hear any stories about trans men competing in men's
sport and that being a problem.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
For relatively obvious reasons in most cases, I guess. But
if you did, like if that was more of an issue,
I wonder if everybody would be quite so sure of
their opinions about it. I'm trying to make a point,
(07:17):
but I can't remember what it was. Oh, thank goodness,
we can talk about better again.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Reading what people are saying and they are the people
that are motivated to write. On a New Zealand Herald
facebook page comment section about butter, everything I read was
of the essence that what would a guy that gets
paid six million dollars know about what it's like to
be a person trying to buy butter?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And how do they charge so much?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So and I'm sure I'll get the farmers tonight saying
we deserve what we get to be paid. But just
so people know that the feeding out there and listen
to land is people think it's.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Far too much.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So yeah, I know that the farmers always maintain they
produce the food and want the good will of the people.
But I hope there's not a chasm developing. But certainly
it seems as though the reaction to Haral telling us
nothing can be done when he's on six billion dollars
a year hasn't gone down well. And I don't know
actually what they were planning. The whole thing of Nicola
was talking about going to talk to this guy and
(08:21):
then coming away and say there's nothing we can do anyway,
so you probably better off without the butter. But yeah,
if you want to go vent, go on to his
early Herald website because man, oh man, and I'm just
saying what the comments are saying. I don't thinly deleting comments.
I don't think they process in comments. But people seem
to be hot under the collar.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
About that one.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And not only they're hot under the collar, but because
Willis said you go see heral and now everyone knows
how much he gets paid. Of course too, because that's
the headline for most people's comments. Six million dollars a
year just under So what was probably a bubbling subtopic
has now become a messive topic anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's butterfu you.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I think some people would want Myles Harrel to
sort of donate some of his salary as massive as
it is, straight to butter and to reduce the price
of it. But I'm thinking is six million or whatever
(09:24):
it is wouldn't last very long if you did that.
I've never been motivated to comment on a Facebook posts
like people seem to. I'm not saying, don't, but do
people think that other people read it or are they
(09:45):
just spenting. It's a good question, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Is it? I don't know news talk has that been.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was literally just talking about this with the domestic
manager the other day, so I'm glad that Entyler brought
it up.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
There's these new sort of boardwalks, these these metal boardwalks
that you walk along. They are quite narrow right to
protect Mount Eaton for whatever the anthropological archaeological stuff up there.
And there was a whole lot of people up there,
a whole lot of people up there enjoying this beautiful sunset,
and everyone's walking towards me right on this on their platform,
(10:20):
and I stay to the left on the platform because
because that's what you should do, right, Yeah, that's what
we do in this country. Yeah, we stay on the left.
But most of the people that were up the mountain
that day, we're not from this country, so they were
all just walking on the right, and I was holding
hard to the left. And then we came to an
(10:41):
impast and I didn't know what to do. And this
kept happening because I was like, we're on the left,
and so these people were just staring straight at me,
and I would think, if you were visiting someone's country,
you'd assume that the local would know which side to
be on the board walk on. But my partner's there,
and so I try and move to let's finally let
these people through because they're so sure that they're right
(11:03):
on this platform.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
It was a mixic standoff this tour bus.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I don't think they
were Mexican, but anyway, so then I moved to the
side and accidentally bump my partner, and then that causes
a problem. Anyway, So do you think at the airport,
and this isn't a question that we're really talking about,
they should as well as you say that you walk
on the left side of the road, that you also
that you drive on the left side of the road,
(11:28):
that you also walk on the left side of a path.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
I don't think it's too much of an ass that
those signs on the side of the road says please
keep left. They should just be posted everywhere any sort
of major walk just put a wee sign up and
says but say please keep left. That's what we do
in this country.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know where it ends. Like
those guys, I've always sort of assumed that if somebody
seems determined to be on the right hand side as
they walk towards you, that they come from another country
and they just that's just where they naturally gravitate towards,
(12:03):
and they're not just being an asshole.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Wherever.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
They're not the only ones are they. There are the cyclists, obviously,
like on the sheard, you know, walkway cycle ways, and
they just think that they've got the right of way
and that you're whatever you're doing is just to stop
them riding their bikes as fast as possible on a
shared walkway. They're they're great people, especially in a big
(12:34):
group of them.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I love them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And the other ones are the yummy mummies who go
out with their mountain buggies. Don't mean you don't really
see mountain buggies anymore, do you. They're sort of flesher
than those these days. Anyway, they would just go right
across the whole path and never move. Sometimes they will
just stop and talk in a big group. And you know,
despite how many dogs and wives and husbands you might
(13:02):
be out walking with that, you've just got to go
around and go off the path, go around.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Here.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
So yeah, walkway aggro as it's an issue. Man, this
has got random, this whole News Talks you have been
things got random this week. I wonder if would be
less random next week.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Join me then and we'll.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Find out us Talking talks it Bean for more from
News Talk sat B.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said, be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Friday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart. And today
this whole issue of trans sports people, which apparently is
an issue, a butter obviously an issue, and then something
(00:50):
that I'm not necessarily sure is an issue, but I
was interested in it is keeping left, not politically, not
while driving, but while walking. Before any of that, we've
got more homeless than before, I think, or do we?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And they both went out and bought some furniture from
an opshop, and he moved into his little brick and
tile and Papakura, and wouldn't you know it, two weeks
later he was back living rough downtown. Why because in
Papakura he was lonely. His people were fellow rough sleepers,
They were his friends. They were the only community he had.
(01:32):
He had no family. His friends were living rough in
downtown Auckland. He was in Papakura, knew nobody felt that
everybody hated him, and so given the answer, he turned
us back on it. Now this is not a tale
to say that housing the homeless is useless because they
(01:54):
want to live this way. But it does acknowledge that
while they don't like living rough, it is what they
know and they feel they feel that it is safer
than the solutions we offer. All right, So the minister
and everybody says it's not good enough, and it isn't.
But finding a solution we're found is very hard. Indeed,
(02:18):
while the problem is hard, and maybe the solutions are
hard as well, we as a community need to understand
it and understand the real drivers before we start throwing
money at it. We've learned that, haven't we. We are
throwing money at at five hundred and fifty dollars and
at eight worken. But if we understand why it is,
(02:43):
maybe we could come up with some answers. And that
is the first step in learning how to solve everything.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yes, tricky, isn't it. If somebody wants to be on
the street, is it our job to tell them not
to want that? I mean, most people don't want that,
but apparently some people do.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
News talk Zeven, I have.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thoroughly confused myself on this issue. Let's see if Ryan
Bridgie can unconfuse me.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
The real question, which is the basis of what the
opposition's upset about. Did the government's crackdown on emergency housing
cause a wave of homelessness, you know, homeless refugees camping
out on the streets as a result. That's the question.
And here's the numbers. The number of households living in
emergency motels is down by seventy five percent. Eighty five percent,
(03:38):
or at least eighty percent of them went on to
some form of housing. So that's great. They managed to
smash through the list and get most people housed. That's
a success, surely. And this is where Labour's claim gets
a bit murky. Declines so people applying for the emergency
housing declines are on the increase, but mostly rejected because
(03:59):
their client either wasn't eligible or could be helped in
another way. An increase in homelessness doesn't necessarily mean the
emergency accommodation changes were a disaster. In fact, the numbers would,
at least on the face of them, are peter to
show it's been wildly successful at getting people out of
motels and into actual homes, including by the way, two
(04:23):
thousand children.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No that hasn't really cleaned things up for me at all.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was hoping.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That sort of apropos of nothing. I was in Wellington
a couple of weekends ago, had lunch or branch rather
on Cuba Street, and I watched a guy who he
seems to have a business mopping out front doors of
(04:56):
businesses first thing on a Sunday morning because of stuff
that people do in doorways and Cuba more. And I wondered,
if we've faxed homelessness, would he still.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Have a job?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You talk right, Let's turn our attention to trans people
wanting to play sport but not being allowed to. This
is another tricky one, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Where we've ended up today is a middle ground. The
guidelines are gone, there are no expectations one way or
the other. There are no threats of funding cuts. It
is now up to community sports themselves to decide what
to do. This is how it should be, because it
should actually be a decision made by each individual sporting body,
because different sports should approach this differently. I mean, netball,
(05:47):
for example, can probably make a very good case that
including trans athletes trans women poses little to no physical
risk to CIS women who are playing but boxing is
a completely different story. Boxing should not let trans women
box against sis women, So it's different for every sport. Now,
I'm sure there are going to be some sporting bodies
who will be unhappy about this decision because they will
(06:08):
have no rules and no guidelines and no one else
to blame for the decision that they ultimately have to
end up making. They're going to have to make these
tough calls themselves. But that's life, and if today is
anything to go by, maybe actually they can make those
tough calls without the rank orps, and the culture will
carry on that we've seen in some other countries. And
actually credit to us for doing this today and ending
up in the right place with the decorum that we have.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I wonder if it's a massive issue in the United States.
All I'm talking about this in the States and it's
always trans women playing or competing against other women. You
never hear any stories about trans men competing in men's
sport and that being a problem.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
For relatively obvious reasons in most cases, I guess. But
if you did, like if that was more of an issue,
I wonder if everybody would be quite so sure of
their opinions about it. I'm trying to make a point,
(07:17):
but I can't remember what it was. Oh, thank goodness,
we can talk about better again.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Reading what people are saying and they are the people
that are motivated to write. On a New Zealand Herald
facebook page comment section about butter, everything I read was
of the essence that what would a guy that gets
paid six million dollars know about what it's like to
be a person trying to buy butter?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And how do they charge so much?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So and I'm sure I'll get the farmers tonight saying
we deserve what we get to be paid. But just
so people know that the feeding out there and listen
to land is people think it's.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Far too much.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So yeah, I know that the farmers always maintain they
produce the food and want the good will of the people.
But I hope there's not a chasm developing. But certainly
it seems as though the reaction to Haral telling us
nothing can be done when he's on six billion dollars
a year hasn't gone down well. And I don't know
actually what they were planning. The whole thing of Nicola
was talking about going to talk to this guy and
(08:21):
then coming away and say there's nothing we can do anyway,
so you probably better off without the butter. But yeah,
if you want to go vent, go on to his
early Herald website because man, oh man, and I'm just
saying what the comments are saying. I don't thinly deleting comments.
I don't think they process in comments. But people seem
to be hot under the collar.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
About that one.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And not only they're hot under the collar, but because
Willis said you go see heral and now everyone knows
how much he gets paid. Of course too, because that's
the headline for most people's comments. Six million dollars a
year just under So what was probably a bubbling subtopic
has now become a messive topic anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's butterfu you.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I think some people would want Myles Harrel to
sort of donate some of his salary as massive as
it is, straight to butter and to reduce the price
of it. But I'm thinking is six million or whatever
(09:24):
it is wouldn't last very long if you did that.
I've never been motivated to comment on a Facebook posts
like people seem to. I'm not saying, don't, but do
people think that other people read it or are they
(09:45):
just spenting. It's a good question, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Is it? I don't know news talk has that been.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was literally just talking about this with the domestic
manager the other day, so I'm glad that Entyler brought
it up.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
There's these new sort of boardwalks, these these metal boardwalks
that you walk along. They are quite narrow right to
protect Mount Eaton for whatever the anthropological archaeological stuff up there.
And there was a whole lot of people up there,
a whole lot of people up there enjoying this beautiful sunset,
and everyone's walking towards me right on this on their platform,
(10:20):
and I stay to the left on the platform because
because that's what you should do, right, Yeah, that's what
we do in this country. Yeah, we stay on the left.
But most of the people that were up the mountain
that day, we're not from this country, so they were
all just walking on the right, and I was holding
hard to the left. And then we came to an
(10:41):
impast and I didn't know what to do. And this
kept happening because I was like, we're on the left,
and so these people were just staring straight at me,
and I would think, if you were visiting someone's country,
you'd assume that the local would know which side to
be on the board walk on. But my partner's there,
and so I try and move to let's finally let
these people through because they're so sure that they're right
(11:03):
on this platform.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
It was a mixic standoff this tour bus.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I don't think they
were Mexican, but anyway, so then I moved to the
side and accidentally bump my partner, and then that causes
a problem. Anyway, So do you think at the airport,
and this isn't a question that we're really talking about,
they should as well as you say that you walk
on the left side of the road, that you also
that you drive on the left side of the road,
(11:28):
that you also walk on the left side of a path.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
I don't think it's too much of an ass that
those signs on the side of the road says please
keep left. They should just be posted everywhere any sort
of major walk just put a wee sign up and
says but say please keep left. That's what we do
in this country.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know where it ends. Like
those guys, I've always sort of assumed that if somebody
seems determined to be on the right hand side as
they walk towards you, that they come from another country
and they just that's just where they naturally gravitate towards,
(12:03):
and they're not just being an asshole.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Wherever.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
They're not the only ones are they. There are the cyclists, obviously,
like on the sheard, you know, walkway cycle ways, and
they just think that they've got the right of way
and that you're whatever you're doing is just to stop
them riding their bikes as fast as possible on a
shared walkway. They're they're great people, especially in a big
(12:34):
group of them.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I love them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And the other ones are the yummy mummies who go
out with their mountain buggies. Don't mean you don't really
see mountain buggies anymore, do you. They're sort of flesher
than those these days. Anyway, they would just go right
across the whole path and never move. Sometimes they will
just stop and talk in a big group. And you know,
despite how many dogs and wives and husbands you might
(13:02):
be out walking with that, you've just got to go
around and go off the path, go around.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Here.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
So yeah, walkway aggro as it's an issue. Man, this
has got random, this whole News Talks you have been
things got random this week. I wonder if would be
less random next week.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Join me then and we'll.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Find out us Talking talks it Bean for more from
News Talk sat B.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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