January 27, 2025 • 12 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Monday. Everything was very nearly almost
just about back to normal in terms of our regular
hosting lineup yesterday. All right, it's a slight exaggeration. We
carry a might back to day at their normal places,
(00:44):
but anyway, in the meantime, we had to talk about
the fact that hungry kids don't make good students at school.
They've got the statistics to back it up. Marcus is
talking about going back to school as well. Not him,
I think the kids in the school uniforms and all
that stuff, and Matt and Tyler. We're talking negativity and
(01:06):
we've got a culture of saying no here in New Zealand.
But first up was something that we'll definitely be saying
though to is the Treaty Principle's Bill. But it's still
a topic of discussion even this year after taking up
most of the last year. What's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
There will be others that say, the Act brings about
a level playing field by ignoring eth necessity in any
government policy, but those submissions will not be about the
efficacy of the bill in achieving that. So it's a
warning that a public debate about contentious bills these days
seems to be more about the quantity of submissions and
(01:41):
not the quality. And if three hundred thousand submissions are
not on point, then it's three hundred thousand submissions about nothing. Meanwhile,
Hobson's Pledge got their nickers that or not because they
were not on the schedule for the first day, So
they went and co opted a slot from another sympathetic
submitting organization. They got to be heard, but in doing
(02:03):
so they have claimed that not being on on the
first day was an attempt by the committee to censor
them and to muzzle their points, which frankly I found
a tad arrogant. There was never indication that Hobson's Pledge
would not be heard. They just weren't going to be
heard on the first day. It's a piece of performative
(02:25):
politics from Hobson's Pledge. But at tom Foolery, you could
say that many have criticized from Mari agitators. It's this
sort of thing to Patty Mary would do, and I
would have thought Hobson's pledge was a bit better than that.
So why weren't they on the first day. We will
reveal all when we let Hobson's Pledge have a say
after five o'clock, proving once and for all that they're
(02:47):
not being censored and they're not being muzzled.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Really, I guess I don't have any skin in the
game really as far as I can tell. Maybe I do,
maybe I don't understand things enough to realize that I do.
But I really feel like there's a lot of people
stirring up a lot of angst and agitation and kind
of draw people into a whirlpool of dismay. You don't
(03:15):
want to be drawn into a world pool of dismay
this early on in twenty twenty five, do you.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
News talk ze been.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
More dismay unfortunately though, around the numbers of hungry kids
at school. And it turns out also that the hungry
are hungry. The more hungry hungrier is not a word.
The more hungry you are, the less well you do.
I mean, I think sure he knew that, but now
they've got the stats to back it up.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Professor Boyd Swinburne from Auckland University as a co author
of the study I'm referring to, and he says he
didn't expect the effect size to be so large. In all,
it equated to a learning gap equivalent to hungry students
trailing two to four years behind in subjects like maths
and reading by age fifteen, and even after adjusting for
(04:04):
socioeconomic indicators. Something else born to the study is that
there's all also a grady in effect. The more severe
the food and security, the greater gap in scores compared
to kids with no food insecurity. The problem doesn't just
affect hungry children finding it harder to concentrate in class,
but other factors, including parents keeping their kids home rather
(04:26):
than facing stigma at school. It's all very well to
blame the state of New Zealand's curriculum or the size
of classrooms confronting our teachers, but when you may well
address some of the demonstrably poor outcomes shown in the
study by simply ensuring that our children are well fed
and literally well catered for at school, what on earth
are we waiting for?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Like we've just sort of rewound the tape and we
are running twenty twenty four again in twenty five. I
feel like school lunches. But we've sorted all that out.
I thought David Zeenwoord had a look at it. It
was keeping it, but just making it a bit cheap
of a run, isn't it. Then everybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You'se talk sip.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You ain't John McDonald was he happy, let's find out.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Your sense of self self worth goes out the door.
You're a disaster waiting to happen. And for some they
do become that disaster, and with not much to offer
the world, the only option they see for themselves is
to link up with other people just like them, people
left behind by the education system, other people who liked them,
(05:29):
grew up in families where food either wasn't a priority
or was just too expensive. People who have pretty much
lost all hope by the time they find you get
to escape from school, and who think the only way
they're going to get ahead in life is either selling
drugs or doing ram rates. And when they do, because
this will happen when they do. Anyone who isn't at
(05:51):
the very least concerned by this research art today about
the scale of food poverty among kids in New Zealand.
Anyone who doesn't give a damn about that today, if
that's you, well, you won't have lead to stand on
when it's your place that's done over in five or
ten years time. That's why if these health experts are
saying today that there is clear evidence that more money
(06:13):
needs to go into school lunches than I say, spend it.
As one of them is saying, this is Boyd Swinburn
from Auckland University. He's saying, quote, if governments are serious
about improving educational outcomes, they should be dealing with this
barn door problem of hunger at school end of quote.
And I couldn't agree more because the link between education
(06:35):
outcomes and crime, they're clear enough for me to say,
put more money into it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Whenever I think of school lunch as, my first thought
goes to apricite jam and coach cheese sandwiches. Yeah, I
bet you willing me to say that, we're all wrapped
up in glad rap. That's what I used to have
for a long time. I had that. Can imagine how
(07:02):
soggy those sandwiches were by the time lunchtime roll around.
I'd literally just pour them out of the glad rap
and drink them. Disgusting, but it must have been what
I was into at the time.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Use your city.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Sure what Marcus is going to feed his kids, but
this is how he's going to dress them.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
In the seventies, if my memory is right, there was
endless controversy about school uniforms, length of hair, and school
uniforms and lengths of skirts. It seems as though we've
moved on from that now. Well there imagine it'll be
some school in the beginning of the year that will
ban someone's from attending school because there's because their hair
(07:44):
is too long. That's what I would be, it would imagine.
But let's just wait for that, because yeah, it's always
the start of the year. There's always something about school
uniforms and something about moving the school too. Actually, I
think the sum has been pretty good. We had some
rain today, but we needed it, particularly after the joy
of the high Country must which was not good at all.
(08:09):
The thing about a high country musty. You think it's
all going well into one of the kids jeepest creepers,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
We went up and around.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
We had the whole plan, of course, what you don't
know is the sheep bolt away quickly, then you run anyway.
The plan and the actuality were two very different things.
So yes, anyway, the sheep live another day.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Quite sure how we managed to flip from mustering kids
to mustering sheep. He's my dog loves barking at the sheep,
and the pats the road from us. Loves it. And
the sheep they seem to be getting used to him though,
because they've slowly It's taken them a while, but they
(08:58):
slowly figured out that they're on the other side of
the fence and you can't get anywhere ney of them
versus sheep. It's a tail as old as time.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
News talk.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Sat right, let's finish up by saying no, because what
we always say apparently, and Tyler and Matt, we're trying
to get to the bottom of this. Why are we
so negative about everything all the time?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
The consequences for something failing, what stops people people doing things?
So sorry, but I was I was just going to
say that even if one and four things you try succeed,
that's actually pretty good good success rate, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Absolutely?
Speaker 8 (09:35):
And I do a lot of stuff with I volunteer
with youth groups, and what I find my role is
to facilitate a path that they can try something, so
they have an idea, we give them resources, we give
it a go, and if it didn't work, we say,
what have you learned? I I'm an idiot. No, you've
learned to give something you go and this one failed
because of X, Y and Z. Right, how are we
(09:58):
going to do something differently? And then what you're doing
is you're trying to get them to grow your imagination
and then to have a give it a go chance.
I'm not going to succeed all the time. And you know,
if you fail ten times and you win once, what
you've had is you've had ten opportunities to improve.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
It's a cliche, but you know failure is learning. So
what do you think about what I was saying before?
And I was kind of being a little bit facetious
with it, and maybe not maybe was, but this is
how we used to deal with things when I first
started out and the things we're doing. We used to
shame people that would be asas we'd call them chickens.
Do you think that's do you think that's too far?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (10:36):
I think that is and the reason is is that like,
I'm on the sixties and you guys are somewhere below that,
and I reckon, it's the thirties to forty group. We
need to change our way of verbalizing that. So instead
of saying your chicken you don't want to give it
a go, blah blah blah, is you turn around and
you say something like, what can I do to help
(10:59):
you give.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
This a go?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah. It's one of the reasons why I hate going
to meetings, because there's always somebody at that at the
meeting who says who's since there and finds reasons why
things won't work, reasons not to do things. I mean,
I used to work with a guy. I don't know,
he's not here anymore, but I used to work with
a guy and if he was invited to the same
(11:24):
meeting I was invited to, I was just thinking, there's
no point in me having an idea this meeting because
this guy will just go, oh, no, that won't work.
And here's why. It's something I've learned with age. If
you say yes yes first, you can always say no later.
But no, that's the end of the story at that point,
(11:49):
and you've cut up all those opportunities. I'm staying to
sound like a self help book, so I'm going to
leave it there because I've never been able to help myself.
You'll known anybody else, but please help yourself. To another
episode of news Talks, they have been When we come
back for another one.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Tomorrow, News Talk is Talking zi Bean. For more from
news Talk zied B, listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk SEDB Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Monday. Everything was very nearly almost
just about back to normal in terms of our regular
hosting lineup yesterday. All right, it's a slight exaggeration. We
carry a might back to day at their normal places,
(00:44):
but anyway, in the meantime, we had to talk about
the fact that hungry kids don't make good students at school.
They've got the statistics to back it up. Marcus is
talking about going back to school as well. Not him,
I think the kids in the school uniforms and all
that stuff, and Matt and Tyler. We're talking negativity and
(01:06):
we've got a culture of saying no here in New Zealand.
But first up was something that we'll definitely be saying
though to is the Treaty Principle's Bill. But it's still
a topic of discussion even this year after taking up
most of the last year. What's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
There will be others that say, the Act brings about
a level playing field by ignoring eth necessity in any
government policy, but those submissions will not be about the
efficacy of the bill in achieving that. So it's a
warning that a public debate about contentious bills these days
seems to be more about the quantity of submissions and
(01:41):
not the quality. And if three hundred thousand submissions are
not on point, then it's three hundred thousand submissions about nothing. Meanwhile,
Hobson's Pledge got their nickers that or not because they
were not on the schedule for the first day, So
they went and co opted a slot from another sympathetic
submitting organization. They got to be heard, but in doing
(02:03):
so they have claimed that not being on on the
first day was an attempt by the committee to censor
them and to muzzle their points, which frankly I found
a tad arrogant. There was never indication that Hobson's Pledge
would not be heard. They just weren't going to be
heard on the first day. It's a piece of performative
(02:25):
politics from Hobson's Pledge. But at tom Foolery, you could
say that many have criticized from Mari agitators. It's this
sort of thing to Patty Mary would do, and I
would have thought Hobson's pledge was a bit better than that.
So why weren't they on the first day. We will
reveal all when we let Hobson's Pledge have a say
after five o'clock, proving once and for all that they're
(02:47):
not being censored and they're not being muzzled.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Really, I guess I don't have any skin in the
game really as far as I can tell. Maybe I do,
maybe I don't understand things enough to realize that I do.
But I really feel like there's a lot of people
stirring up a lot of angst and agitation and kind
of draw people into a whirlpool of dismay. You don't
(03:15):
want to be drawn into a world pool of dismay
this early on in twenty twenty five, do you.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
News talk ze been.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
More dismay unfortunately though, around the numbers of hungry kids
at school. And it turns out also that the hungry
are hungry. The more hungry hungrier is not a word.
The more hungry you are, the less well you do.
I mean, I think sure he knew that, but now
they've got the stats to back it up.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Professor Boyd Swinburne from Auckland University as a co author
of the study I'm referring to, and he says he
didn't expect the effect size to be so large. In all,
it equated to a learning gap equivalent to hungry students
trailing two to four years behind in subjects like maths
and reading by age fifteen, and even after adjusting for
(04:04):
socioeconomic indicators. Something else born to the study is that
there's all also a grady in effect. The more severe
the food and security, the greater gap in scores compared
to kids with no food insecurity. The problem doesn't just
affect hungry children finding it harder to concentrate in class,
but other factors, including parents keeping their kids home rather
(04:26):
than facing stigma at school. It's all very well to
blame the state of New Zealand's curriculum or the size
of classrooms confronting our teachers, but when you may well
address some of the demonstrably poor outcomes shown in the
study by simply ensuring that our children are well fed
and literally well catered for at school, what on earth
are we waiting for?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Like we've just sort of rewound the tape and we
are running twenty twenty four again in twenty five. I
feel like school lunches. But we've sorted all that out.
I thought David Zeenwoord had a look at it. It
was keeping it, but just making it a bit cheap
of a run, isn't it. Then everybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You'se talk sip.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You ain't John McDonald was he happy, let's find out.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Your sense of self self worth goes out the door.
You're a disaster waiting to happen. And for some they
do become that disaster, and with not much to offer
the world, the only option they see for themselves is
to link up with other people just like them, people
left behind by the education system, other people who liked them,
(05:29):
grew up in families where food either wasn't a priority
or was just too expensive. People who have pretty much
lost all hope by the time they find you get
to escape from school, and who think the only way
they're going to get ahead in life is either selling
drugs or doing ram rates. And when they do, because
this will happen when they do. Anyone who isn't at
(05:51):
the very least concerned by this research art today about
the scale of food poverty among kids in New Zealand.
Anyone who doesn't give a damn about that today, if
that's you, well, you won't have lead to stand on
when it's your place that's done over in five or
ten years time. That's why if these health experts are
saying today that there is clear evidence that more money
(06:13):
needs to go into school lunches than I say, spend it.
As one of them is saying, this is Boyd Swinburn
from Auckland University. He's saying, quote, if governments are serious
about improving educational outcomes, they should be dealing with this
barn door problem of hunger at school end of quote.
And I couldn't agree more because the link between education
(06:35):
outcomes and crime, they're clear enough for me to say,
put more money into it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Whenever I think of school lunch as, my first thought
goes to apricite jam and coach cheese sandwiches. Yeah, I
bet you willing me to say that, we're all wrapped
up in glad rap. That's what I used to have
for a long time. I had that. Can imagine how
(07:02):
soggy those sandwiches were by the time lunchtime roll around.
I'd literally just pour them out of the glad rap
and drink them. Disgusting, but it must have been what
I was into at the time.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Use your city.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Sure what Marcus is going to feed his kids, but
this is how he's going to dress them.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
In the seventies, if my memory is right, there was
endless controversy about school uniforms, length of hair, and school
uniforms and lengths of skirts. It seems as though we've
moved on from that now. Well there imagine it'll be
some school in the beginning of the year that will
ban someone's from attending school because there's because their hair
(07:44):
is too long. That's what I would be, it would imagine.
But let's just wait for that, because yeah, it's always
the start of the year. There's always something about school
uniforms and something about moving the school too. Actually, I
think the sum has been pretty good. We had some
rain today, but we needed it, particularly after the joy
of the high Country must which was not good at all.
(08:09):
The thing about a high country musty. You think it's
all going well into one of the kids jeepest creepers,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
We went up and around.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
We had the whole plan, of course, what you don't
know is the sheep bolt away quickly, then you run anyway.
The plan and the actuality were two very different things.
So yes, anyway, the sheep live another day.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Quite sure how we managed to flip from mustering kids
to mustering sheep. He's my dog loves barking at the sheep,
and the pats the road from us. Loves it. And
the sheep they seem to be getting used to him though,
because they've slowly It's taken them a while, but they
(08:58):
slowly figured out that they're on the other side of
the fence and you can't get anywhere ney of them
versus sheep. It's a tail as old as time.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
News talk.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Sat right, let's finish up by saying no, because what
we always say apparently, and Tyler and Matt, we're trying
to get to the bottom of this. Why are we
so negative about everything all the time?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
The consequences for something failing, what stops people people doing things?
So sorry, but I was I was just going to
say that even if one and four things you try succeed,
that's actually pretty good good success rate, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Absolutely?
Speaker 8 (09:35):
And I do a lot of stuff with I volunteer
with youth groups, and what I find my role is
to facilitate a path that they can try something, so
they have an idea, we give them resources, we give
it a go, and if it didn't work, we say,
what have you learned? I I'm an idiot. No, you've
learned to give something you go and this one failed
because of X, Y and Z. Right, how are we
(09:58):
going to do something differently? And then what you're doing
is you're trying to get them to grow your imagination
and then to have a give it a go chance.
I'm not going to succeed all the time. And you know,
if you fail ten times and you win once, what
you've had is you've had ten opportunities to improve.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
It's a cliche, but you know failure is learning. So
what do you think about what I was saying before?
And I was kind of being a little bit facetious
with it, and maybe not maybe was, but this is
how we used to deal with things when I first
started out and the things we're doing. We used to
shame people that would be asas we'd call them chickens.
Do you think that's do you think that's too far?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (10:36):
I think that is and the reason is is that like,
I'm on the sixties and you guys are somewhere below that,
and I reckon, it's the thirties to forty group. We
need to change our way of verbalizing that. So instead
of saying your chicken you don't want to give it
a go, blah blah blah, is you turn around and
you say something like, what can I do to help
(10:59):
you give.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
This a go?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah. It's one of the reasons why I hate going
to meetings, because there's always somebody at that at the
meeting who says who's since there and finds reasons why
things won't work, reasons not to do things. I mean,
I used to work with a guy. I don't know,
he's not here anymore, but I used to work with
a guy and if he was invited to the same
(11:24):
meeting I was invited to, I was just thinking, there's
no point in me having an idea this meeting because
this guy will just go, oh, no, that won't work.
And here's why. It's something I've learned with age. If
you say yes yes first, you can always say no later.
But no, that's the end of the story at that point,
(11:49):
and you've cut up all those opportunities. I'm staying to
sound like a self help book, so I'm going to
leave it there because I've never been able to help myself.
You'll known anybody else, but please help yourself. To another
episode of news Talks, they have been When we come
back for another one.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Tomorrow, News Talk is Talking zi Bean. For more from
news Talk zied B, listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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