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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Said, Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean
for Friday. First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart
and we are looking back at Thursday, the doctor shortage,
lots of ideas, no actual dewey, it seems at at
the moment with that, where are we at with race
(00:42):
relations in this country? You've got the going zon in
Parliament and the going zon online? Does that actually reflect
the reality we see every day on the street and
according to the doomsday clock, we're eighty nine seconds away
from midnight. Well, I feel like given that I was
told that yesterday, we haven't pipped over the edge yet.
But first up this, Yeah, this terrible plane crash in
(01:06):
Washington playing versus helicopter. I don't know what else you
have to say about that, But what about how about
hearing from somebody who actually survived a plane incident? When
remember that plane that the cargo door blew off?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So this was what was the type of the type
of plane?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
So United Airlines seven four seven in nineteen eighty nine,
United flight eight around eight one one. It's been on
one of those documentaries may Day May Day documentaries quite
a few times now.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It was the flight number.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
United flight eight one one.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
So you came up and the door blew off in
a hole, was ripped out the side of it, and they
managed to reland at Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yes, yes, there's correct. We're at twenty three thousand feet
and the oxygen masks came down, but unfortunately it was
one of the oldest planes in the United's fleet and
the oxygen was actually sucked out in the explosion. So
the pilot took us down to ten thousand feet and
a well, we had no option. We only had two
engines and we were fully ladened for a ten hour
(02:15):
fly back to New Zealand. And I think today it
was still the heaviest seven for seven to ever Land.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Were you in business class?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
No? I wish. I was only eighteen. No, I was
road twenty one, so I was just basically the game
three was between me and business class.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I can't remember whether you're more or less likely to
meet your demise if you're in business class on a plane.
I guess it depends if you're leaning forward and holding
on to your ankles or not. It seems a strange
position to get ready for a crash. I often think, surely,
(02:55):
like pulling your knees up to your chairs and hugging
them tightly and closing your eyes as hard as you can.
Surely that's the Isn't that the best position?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I don't know news talk has it been right.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So we've got medical schools that are trying to open
but aren't allowed to open. We've got foreign doctors who
are trying to work here, but they're a bit too foreign.
There seem to be a lot of ways that we
might be able to help with the doctor shortage, but
actually implementing something. What's happening? What's stopping us?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
The Prime Minister's only comment on it is that workers
continuing on the business case and it will go to
cabinet in the future. So where the hell does that mean?
That is But unofficially it is understood that the project
has been dogged with problems and is increasingly seen as unnecessary, costly,
and worst of all, a bad idea, I'm sorry, A
(03:52):
bad idea from Stephen Joyce, from a well paid consultant
who knew Stephen Joyce has many good ideas, but maybe
this one isn't isn't so? But still, if we're wanting
to train new doctors and we want to train them
in a school, we were going to build a new one,
but we're not building a new one, So what about
raising the money the numbers? Elsewhere? Things are just not happening,
(04:13):
and it's not nice when things just don't happen, because frankly,
I'd like to go to a doctor, and when I
do go to a doctor, I don't want to be
told that you've only got fifteen minutes. But in fact,
let's make that ten because I'm running late.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, And the whole thing about you're only allowed to
talk about one thing that's wrong with you, let me
assure you, youngsters, by the time you get to my age,
there's more than one thing wrong with you. I'm i
supposed to book two appointments.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Back to beck Hu's talk Sidney.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So that was Andrew Dickens, who is going to be
standing in on early edition for a little while. That's
because the normal host, Ryan Bridge is standing in for
Heather on the Drive show.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
We love the sea and the bush, we love nature.
We're quite polite. We don't like to complain. This is
your radio host and then it's your day job. We're generous,
we're charitable, we're hospitable people. We genuinely care a about
each other, and we all know that we're bloody lucky
to live here. But this is the version of New
Zealand that I see in real life in person. It
(05:17):
is not the version that I see online or in
our parliament. Everything is so divided by race, by gender,
by sexuality, and all sorts of different categories online and
in politics. We're quick to anger, we are quick to intolerance,
to shouting, and to extremism. People have been sorted into
(05:38):
tribes and there's very little middle ground anymore. We've all
been divided and conquered. I think by this algorithm that's
come from I don't know, Silicon Valley, some geek behind
a computer is ripping us apart. I'm not going to
pretend I know how to fix any of this, other
than to say the more that we see our country
(05:59):
through our own eyes and not the screens or the
political debates that dominate, we might just get back to
that wonderful feeling of all being on the same side again,
being one country with just one overriding tribe above all else.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Key We Yeah, it's the annoying thing about the Internet,
especially in social media. It's kind of like a microscope
or perhaps an amplifier. It magnifies and then amplifies. So
this is what happens when you attach a microscope at
scope to a pat micros What are you trying to
(06:41):
say that. I'm going to say that it magnifies and
then amplifies hateful opinions and then if people worry it
can easily think that that's what's actually going on. It
doesn't help when you've got random people like Shane Jones
and Whens and Peters saying random things and Parliament does
it of course. I mean Shane Jones, there's nothing about
random things people riding for chaining, and he's not a
(07:05):
fan of banks not getting loans to people who are
in the business of the cup and gas and stuff
like that.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
It's going to be interesting though, the world's biggest financiers
and asset managers are increasingly rethinking their approach to climate
change initiatives and the diversity, equity and inclusion policies as
Donald Trump is reinstalled in the White House and not
letting any grass grow under his feet as he signs
executive order after executive order. And therein lies the problem
(07:36):
with putting moral values on money. Previously, under the other administration,
to get money, you had to prove your worthiness as
a citizen of the twenty first century. You had to
prove that you were following the commandments of the current generation.
(07:56):
It wasn't about your ability to service alone. It was
about that you accepted the dogma and you were going
to do something practical about it. If you need to
fulfill certain values based criteria to borrow money, then the
values will change depending on whose office, as has happened.
(08:18):
If every time an administration with a different ideology comes
into power, do the banks then have to change their
criteria too. They need to stick to their knitting. If
it's a sound financial proposition, if a borrower can pay
back the loan, then show them the money put up,
(08:40):
and for the love of all that's holy, shut up.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, it's a weird word of it. I mean, I
get that people just want to do business, but at
some point, and I'm not quite sure where that point is,
somebody's got to say, actually, the business you're doing is
killing us. All, But it would seem weird if it
was the banks and big corporates that say that third.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
News talk see it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, on the subject of killing us all, when when
exactly are we all going to die? Eighty nine seconds time,
apparently going to the doomsday cloth.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I think it's always been a dangerous world, and I
think there's always been hardships and tragedy. But what era
do you think was good? Well, it was the best
time to bring up kids.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Look, well, you can only go by now and what
you know, And I know my childhood majorically three the
seventeenth we were free. We could you know, we're on
our bikes. Some one called out at night for dinner.
We were We weren't having to be pleased and monitored,
and we weren't taught the troubles of the world. If
(09:49):
you mentioned you were scared of nuclear war, and we
all had that, that's what was on the news at
six o'clock. But I don't recall it being throm down
the throat at primary school and that kind of thing.
Whereas children today have been taught all the problems of
the world, The world's doomed, and you've been taught from
(10:09):
them their daycare, they don't have a lot of hope.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, away from you say that interesting thing about you know,
depression and young people now. And as I said before,
one of the things that I think is quite incredible
that this time is the amount of you know, the
digital technology at the kids' fingertips. That is actually one
of the worst parts for kids because we know, you know,
(10:34):
all the studies around being on Instagram, being on TikTok,
what it does to kids in terms of their mental health.
It's it's absolutely terrible. And you know, people used to
have a really clear purpose in life, and maybe that's
something that's missing now. Where you it was pretty simple
what you had to do. You had to have a job,
(10:55):
and you brought up a family, and you had sort
of quite a simple path that you went on. Whereas
now kids look at all the stuff, they think that
they need to be superstars, they need to be famous.
They feel like failures, no about what do they do,
and then they just riff back and they're looking Instagram
seeing everyone else in a fake private jet or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, so it comes back to what we were saying before,
isn't it that it's the internet seems to be telling
us that things are perhaps worse than they are.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Because that's what gets the clicks.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I don't think people just go, well that it's pretty
good another day, diddley do.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
They're not going to get clicks, is it?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
And yet that might be the way most of us feel.
I'm going to diddly do off for the weekend. I'll
see you back here again with a week in edition
of Newsboks You've been on Monday.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Use Talking Talks it Been for more from news Talk
Said b Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk SIBB Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Said, Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean
for Friday. First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart
and we are looking back at Thursday, the doctor shortage,
lots of ideas, no actual dewey, it seems at at
the moment with that, where are we at with race
(00:42):
relations in this country? You've got the going zon in
Parliament and the going zon online? Does that actually reflect
the reality we see every day on the street and
according to the doomsday clock, we're eighty nine seconds away
from midnight. Well, I feel like given that I was
told that yesterday, we haven't pipped over the edge yet.
But first up this, Yeah, this terrible plane crash in
(01:06):
Washington playing versus helicopter. I don't know what else you
have to say about that, But what about how about
hearing from somebody who actually survived a plane incident? When
remember that plane that the cargo door blew off?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So this was what was the type of the type
of plane?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
So United Airlines seven four seven in nineteen eighty nine,
United flight eight around eight one one. It's been on
one of those documentaries may Day May Day documentaries quite
a few times now.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It was the flight number.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
United flight eight one one.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
So you came up and the door blew off in
a hole, was ripped out the side of it, and they
managed to reland at Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yes, yes, there's correct. We're at twenty three thousand feet
and the oxygen masks came down, but unfortunately it was
one of the oldest planes in the United's fleet and
the oxygen was actually sucked out in the explosion. So
the pilot took us down to ten thousand feet and
a well, we had no option. We only had two
engines and we were fully ladened for a ten hour
(02:15):
fly back to New Zealand. And I think today it
was still the heaviest seven for seven to ever Land.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Were you in business class?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
No? I wish. I was only eighteen. No, I was
road twenty one, so I was just basically the game
three was between me and business class.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I can't remember whether you're more or less likely to
meet your demise if you're in business class on a plane.
I guess it depends if you're leaning forward and holding
on to your ankles or not. It seems a strange
position to get ready for a crash. I often think, surely,
(02:55):
like pulling your knees up to your chairs and hugging
them tightly and closing your eyes as hard as you can.
Surely that's the Isn't that the best position?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I don't know news talk has it been right.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So we've got medical schools that are trying to open
but aren't allowed to open. We've got foreign doctors who
are trying to work here, but they're a bit too foreign.
There seem to be a lot of ways that we
might be able to help with the doctor shortage, but
actually implementing something. What's happening? What's stopping us?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
The Prime Minister's only comment on it is that workers
continuing on the business case and it will go to
cabinet in the future. So where the hell does that mean?
That is But unofficially it is understood that the project
has been dogged with problems and is increasingly seen as unnecessary, costly,
and worst of all, a bad idea, I'm sorry, A
(03:52):
bad idea from Stephen Joyce, from a well paid consultant
who knew Stephen Joyce has many good ideas, but maybe
this one isn't isn't so? But still, if we're wanting
to train new doctors and we want to train them
in a school, we were going to build a new one,
but we're not building a new one, So what about
raising the money the numbers? Elsewhere? Things are just not happening,
(04:13):
and it's not nice when things just don't happen, because frankly,
I'd like to go to a doctor, and when I
do go to a doctor, I don't want to be
told that you've only got fifteen minutes. But in fact,
let's make that ten because I'm running late.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, And the whole thing about you're only allowed to
talk about one thing that's wrong with you, let me
assure you, youngsters, by the time you get to my age,
there's more than one thing wrong with you. I'm i
supposed to book two appointments.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Back to beck Hu's talk Sidney.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So that was Andrew Dickens, who is going to be
standing in on early edition for a little while. That's
because the normal host, Ryan Bridge is standing in for
Heather on the Drive show.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
We love the sea and the bush, we love nature.
We're quite polite. We don't like to complain. This is
your radio host and then it's your day job. We're generous,
we're charitable, we're hospitable people. We genuinely care a about
each other, and we all know that we're bloody lucky
to live here. But this is the version of New
Zealand that I see in real life in person. It
(05:17):
is not the version that I see online or in
our parliament. Everything is so divided by race, by gender,
by sexuality, and all sorts of different categories online and
in politics. We're quick to anger, we are quick to intolerance,
to shouting, and to extremism. People have been sorted into
(05:38):
tribes and there's very little middle ground anymore. We've all
been divided and conquered. I think by this algorithm that's
come from I don't know, Silicon Valley, some geek behind
a computer is ripping us apart. I'm not going to
pretend I know how to fix any of this, other
than to say the more that we see our country
(05:59):
through our own eyes and not the screens or the
political debates that dominate, we might just get back to
that wonderful feeling of all being on the same side again,
being one country with just one overriding tribe above all else.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Key We Yeah, it's the annoying thing about the Internet,
especially in social media. It's kind of like a microscope
or perhaps an amplifier. It magnifies and then amplifies. So
this is what happens when you attach a microscope at
scope to a pat micros What are you trying to
(06:41):
say that. I'm going to say that it magnifies and
then amplifies hateful opinions and then if people worry it
can easily think that that's what's actually going on. It
doesn't help when you've got random people like Shane Jones
and Whens and Peters saying random things and Parliament does
it of course. I mean Shane Jones, there's nothing about
random things people riding for chaining, and he's not a
(07:05):
fan of banks not getting loans to people who are
in the business of the cup and gas and stuff
like that.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
It's going to be interesting though, the world's biggest financiers
and asset managers are increasingly rethinking their approach to climate
change initiatives and the diversity, equity and inclusion policies as
Donald Trump is reinstalled in the White House and not
letting any grass grow under his feet as he signs
executive order after executive order. And therein lies the problem
(07:36):
with putting moral values on money. Previously, under the other administration,
to get money, you had to prove your worthiness as
a citizen of the twenty first century. You had to
prove that you were following the commandments of the current generation.
(07:56):
It wasn't about your ability to service alone. It was
about that you accepted the dogma and you were going
to do something practical about it. If you need to
fulfill certain values based criteria to borrow money, then the
values will change depending on whose office, as has happened.
(08:18):
If every time an administration with a different ideology comes
into power, do the banks then have to change their
criteria too. They need to stick to their knitting. If
it's a sound financial proposition, if a borrower can pay
back the loan, then show them the money put up,
(08:40):
and for the love of all that's holy, shut up.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, it's a weird word of it. I mean, I
get that people just want to do business, but at
some point, and I'm not quite sure where that point is,
somebody's got to say, actually, the business you're doing is
killing us. All, But it would seem weird if it
was the banks and big corporates that say that third.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
News talk see it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, on the subject of killing us all, when when
exactly are we all going to die? Eighty nine seconds time,
apparently going to the doomsday cloth.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I think it's always been a dangerous world, and I
think there's always been hardships and tragedy. But what era
do you think was good? Well, it was the best
time to bring up kids.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Look, well, you can only go by now and what
you know, And I know my childhood majorically three the
seventeenth we were free. We could you know, we're on
our bikes. Some one called out at night for dinner.
We were We weren't having to be pleased and monitored,
and we weren't taught the troubles of the world. If
(09:49):
you mentioned you were scared of nuclear war, and we
all had that, that's what was on the news at
six o'clock. But I don't recall it being throm down
the throat at primary school and that kind of thing.
Whereas children today have been taught all the problems of
the world, The world's doomed, and you've been taught from
(10:09):
them their daycare, they don't have a lot of hope.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, away from you say that interesting thing about you know,
depression and young people now. And as I said before,
one of the things that I think is quite incredible
that this time is the amount of you know, the
digital technology at the kids' fingertips. That is actually one
of the worst parts for kids because we know, you know,
(10:34):
all the studies around being on Instagram, being on TikTok,
what it does to kids in terms of their mental health.
It's it's absolutely terrible. And you know, people used to
have a really clear purpose in life, and maybe that's
something that's missing now. Where you it was pretty simple
what you had to do. You had to have a job,
(10:55):
and you brought up a family, and you had sort
of quite a simple path that you went on. Whereas
now kids look at all the stuff, they think that
they need to be superstars, they need to be famous.
They feel like failures, no about what do they do,
and then they just riff back and they're looking Instagram
seeing everyone else in a fake private jet or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, so it comes back to what we were saying before,
isn't it that it's the internet seems to be telling
us that things are perhaps worse than they are.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Because that's what gets the clicks.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I don't think people just go, well that it's pretty
good another day, diddley do.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
They're not going to get clicks, is it?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
And yet that might be the way most of us feel.
I'm going to diddly do off for the weekend. I'll
see you back here again with a week in edition
of Newsboks You've been on Monday.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Use Talking Talks it Been for more from news Talk
Said b Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
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