January 23, 2025 • 14 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Thursday on Newstalk ZB) You Didn't Miss Much/Who Should Run Tourism?/Snow Is So Pre-Climate Crisis/You Can't Get to Space on a Road Cone/The Next New Milk
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk Said Talk said, Hello, my.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Little beanies, and welcome to the bean for Friday. First
of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we are
looking back at Thursday. Tourism is going well in some
places and not so well in others. A part of
that equation is Ruapehu still seems to be stalled. What's
(00:45):
happening there? Have we become a risk adverse nation? And
do you need to take a few risks to move forward?
This is a very existential kind of a podcast today,
and then we're going to talk about the Great Milk Drought.
But before any of that, the state of the Nation
is Christopher Luxen and the National Party. Andrew missed it
(01:09):
of it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So I missed the Prime Minister's State of the Nation's
speech because I was at the beach having a swim,
and that is probably a more accurate state of the
nation today as the holiday mode lingers. So anyway, I
walked into the newsroom and I said, sir, what happened
today with the State of the Nation, And my producer
Laura said, they're going to create a new government agency
(01:33):
called invest New Zealand to attract foreign investors. I said,
so the government that hates public servants and government spending
is going to spend government money employing public servants to
sell the country. People don't invest in a country because
a government agency tells them to. That's exactly what the
(01:56):
Taxpayers Union said, said Laura. So what else did he say?
I said, well, Christopher Luxen reckons that New Zealand says
no too often. No, I said, I don't say. So,
who are we talking to Christopher Laxon? No, said Laura.
He said, no, no kidding. I said, what else? Were
(02:19):
they going to let some scientists get a share of
any idea that gets commercialized? And that said, I said,
pretty much? Laura said, so who are we talking to?
Tom McLay At five oh five? So obviously he could tell.
I was initially underwhelmed, and now I've watched the speech
and listened to it, I have to say I remain underwhelmed.
So the Prime Minister described the problems we're in very well,
(02:43):
and there's nothing overly wrong with the ideas that have
come up with to spur economic growth, But nor are
they aspirational or bold. Now foreign investor tax breaks that
would have been bold, and that would have left me
more excited.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I really struggled to concentrate on the main thrust of
what Andrew was talking about there, because it's the swimming thing.
I just I just had this mental image I can't
shake now of him going out for a swim. And
I don't know if you've ever seen Andrew Dickens, but
he's not Michael Phelps, let's put it that way. And
(03:26):
now I'm just thinking of him, you know, and swimming, togs, swimming,
and I can't I can't shake it. News talk right,
so that we've got some terrorism statistics. It's going well
in some places friends found up up the app up,
(03:46):
but other places not so much.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Generally tourism jobs they don't pay all that well. The
other butt, and this is the more significant one, is
that if this is the approach the government's going to take,
which which I think, as I said, I think it
has to and which I think New Zealand has no
option but to take. As well as that, though the
government has to do more than what Nichola Willis is
talking about today. Because it's all very well to say,
(04:09):
isn't it that the government. You know, it's a government's
job to get the tourists here, and it's a tourism
operator's job to get as much money as possible out
of them once they're here. But as people in places
like Franz Joseph on the South Island's West coast, as
people there know, more visitors means more demand for basic
(04:30):
services like public toilets and all that stuff, and it's
a demand that local councils just can't afford to meet
on their own. And this is where the government is
going to have to have more skin in the game
if it really wants this open door policy to reap
the economic benefits that it wants, and that it expects
the economic benefits that of course will come with more
(04:51):
people visiting, irrespective of their bank balance. So yep, open
the floodgates, ditch the pipe dream that New Zealand is
only a place for wealthy tourists. Sell us to the world,
get as many people here visiting as you can, but
don't leave it to locals. And they're struggling councils to
provide all the ba services and infrastructure and facilities that
these visitors are going to need once they get here.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, raman overnight night before last, I've seen a caller
caller to his show who was complaining that he had
to pay two dollars fifty I had to go to
the toilet somewhere and he was worried that that was
putting tourists off. I think is that what he was
(05:34):
worried about or he was just worried that the locals
had to pay to go to the toilet. Again, I
missed the main for us because he also mentioned that
it was a payWave situation. We could tap and go
to go, and then I couldn't stop thinking about that.
US talk said, okay, so yeah, part of the tourism
(05:55):
equation is a rupe. Who I mean, if we don't
have a ski field, we don't have a ski season
really in the North Island, do we.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
It was a struggle to find the consensus over the
ski fields, with some preferring the continuation of a not
for profit organization such as the previous operator ral, others
preferring to hand things over to private operators. Along the way,
a lot of government money was put into keeping the
ski fields afloat until it got to the point where
the fields were too expensive to fail, as was the
(06:25):
prospect of closing them down, removing all the structures from
the mountain and returning it to its natural state. Getting
the chateau up and running again is going to cost
millions of dollars, but on the right term, such as
a thirty year lease in a peppercorn rent, WHL will
be willing to make the investment. They've also done the
research into the earthquake strengthening which needs to be done,
and believe it is not as extensive as previously suggested. Look,
(06:47):
this might not be the deal which makes everyone happy,
but frankly I don't see anyone else queuing up to.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Give it a go.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Leaving the chateau empty and decaying for years, possibly decades,
at the cost of around one hundred and fifty to
two hundred thousand dollars a month for maintenance when a
possible solution sits on the table is simply depressing. The
government needs to deal with the least termination agreement and
pay the previous operators, reopen expressions of interest and have
some conversations. Talking is almost always a good place to start,
(07:18):
so please take the call to a pay who is
an incredible part of our country and one that deserves
to be thriving.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Wasn't the problem last year that they didn't have very
much snow? So if we're getting expressions of interest of
people who can make snow out of nothing, I mean,
I know that there are snowmakers, but I think you
have the conditions have to be snowmaking machines. I mean,
it's not like some kind of a wizard. It just
makes snow. But I think the conditions have to be right.
(07:48):
So if we've got somebody who can change that, then
we might be onto something. A lot of theories going
around as to what's actually gone wrong with the country,
with the world. I think a lot of people like
to talk about that at length. And I think what
(08:12):
I mean by that is your media likes to tell
us at everything bad. Apparently are we not taking enough
risks these days?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Is that what's happen?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Wayne Brown thinks so he thinks health and safety is
holding us back.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
And you know, I was talking to a health and
safety advisor been before, and I asked, has he ever
seen a safety regulation removed? They just get layered on
and layered on and layered on, And as he points out,
we don't want people to die, but obviously it can
go too far to the point where nothing can get done,
and productivity is a huge problem in our country. And look,
(08:53):
speaking of death this, I saw this at the same
time as I was saying at the start of the
Last Hour, as I saw this thing from Wayne Brown,
as the same time as I was watching a documentary
on the Challenger disaster. And that was a disaster in
which succes, astronauts and a teacher that was on there
for publicity purposes died. But as I've played before, doctor Lucas,
(09:14):
the director of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and
director when the Challenger exploded, had this to say, all
these years later after the disaster.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Thirty years have changed the way I think about it
at all. Going in the space is something that great
countries do. They want to advanced technology, they want to learn,
and it's also risk and you have to take some chances.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Those two things came together in my mind and I thought,
if we're a country that just gets more and more
safe and more and more risk averse, are we even
going to do the bold, great things that we need
to do, And does that end up becoming the danger
because the country doesn't have the wealth, it doesn't have
the motivation, it doesn't have the direction that a country
needs to make people healthy, wealthy and successful.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're out walking the doll the other night, and we
walked past some people who were getting ready.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
To close.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
A suburban road some roadworks for the night, which involved
two trucks, four people putting out signs and cones. And
one of the trucks just seemed to be there to
(10:29):
warn cars, but the other truck was there doing what
it was doing. And I did think, is that the ott?
So maybe I'm with Wayne Brown as far as that goes.
But to long Bow between that and were or night you.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Should go to space.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm not sure I would have trusted any of those
four people to get me into space. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
News talk has it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Been so we're not drinking milk anymore? Does Marcus have
an alternative?
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Since the year nineteen seventy five, we are now drinking
half as much milk. No one ever talks about that
the Great Milk Drought half as much? Why why do
(11:33):
we all give up milk half as much milk as
we drank fifty years ago? And in Britain, one in
three are going for sawyer milk, almond milk, oat milk,
(11:54):
or coconut milk altogether. Now you can't milk a up,
presumably due to the belief that it's better for your
health of the planet.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
There you go.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Of course, not because it's not because it's better for
the planet. It's because it's ambient milk. And that means
you can just have it in the scullery or in
the pantry. In the pantry and just get it when
you need to. It doesn't go off. I think that's
(12:27):
one of the big things, is not the fact that
it's and nothing that's been milk, but the fact that
it's just there. It's in your dry goods. Would you
call them dry goods and you grab them milk and sure,
you're go to do there you go, there's a nut milk.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They reckon the.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
New milk watch the space. The new milk will be
potato milk. Oh, you can't milk a potato, but they reckon.
That's the one that's going to take over the world.
For a creamy it's already available. You can buy there's
one brand called Dug which is a great name for
potato milk, dug potato milk, yep, you make your own.
(13:07):
By the way, I'm going to give it a go.
They rigging almond milk quite bad for the environment because
the amount of water they need.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I'm confused about the potato milk because, like when you're
doing meshed potatoes, you add milk, don't you. It's a
hard thing to get right if you don't do it regularly.
Like I'm not a regular potato mesher. I think I've
made successful potato meshed potatoes once out of all my attempts.
(13:41):
But if you can make milk out of potatoes, why
do you have to add milk for potatoes?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Do you that.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
There'll be some scientific reason I suppose. And if you
switch to potato milk, are you then adding just potato
milk for your potatoes to make them? Those podcast has
really pose more questions than provided answers today. I'm sorry
about that. I'm going to spend the week in searching
(14:08):
up some answers for you, and hopefully I'll have some
of those for the weekly edition on Monday.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Evening, News Talk is Talking zid bean.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
For more from News Talk zed B, listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk Said Talk said, Hello, my.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Little beanies, and welcome to the bean for Friday. First
of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we are
looking back at Thursday. Tourism is going well in some
places and not so well in others. A part of
that equation is Ruapehu still seems to be stalled. What's
(00:45):
happening there? Have we become a risk adverse nation? And
do you need to take a few risks to move forward?
This is a very existential kind of a podcast today,
and then we're going to talk about the Great Milk Drought.
But before any of that, the state of the Nation
is Christopher Luxen and the National Party. Andrew missed it
(01:09):
of it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So I missed the Prime Minister's State of the Nation's
speech because I was at the beach having a swim,
and that is probably a more accurate state of the
nation today as the holiday mode lingers. So anyway, I
walked into the newsroom and I said, sir, what happened
today with the State of the Nation, And my producer
Laura said, they're going to create a new government agency
(01:33):
called invest New Zealand to attract foreign investors. I said,
so the government that hates public servants and government spending
is going to spend government money employing public servants to
sell the country. People don't invest in a country because
a government agency tells them to. That's exactly what the
(01:56):
Taxpayers Union said, said Laura. So what else did he say?
I said, well, Christopher Luxen reckons that New Zealand says
no too often. No, I said, I don't say. So,
who are we talking to Christopher Laxon? No, said Laura.
He said, no, no kidding. I said, what else? Were
(02:19):
they going to let some scientists get a share of
any idea that gets commercialized? And that said, I said,
pretty much? Laura said, so who are we talking to?
Tom McLay At five oh five? So obviously he could tell.
I was initially underwhelmed, and now I've watched the speech
and listened to it, I have to say I remain underwhelmed.
So the Prime Minister described the problems we're in very well,
(02:43):
and there's nothing overly wrong with the ideas that have
come up with to spur economic growth, But nor are
they aspirational or bold. Now foreign investor tax breaks that
would have been bold, and that would have left me
more excited.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I really struggled to concentrate on the main thrust of
what Andrew was talking about there, because it's the swimming thing.
I just I just had this mental image I can't
shake now of him going out for a swim. And
I don't know if you've ever seen Andrew Dickens, but
he's not Michael Phelps, let's put it that way. And
(03:26):
now I'm just thinking of him, you know, and swimming, togs, swimming,
and I can't I can't shake it. News talk right,
so that we've got some terrorism statistics. It's going well
in some places friends found up up the app up,
(03:46):
but other places not so much.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Generally tourism jobs they don't pay all that well. The
other butt, and this is the more significant one, is
that if this is the approach the government's going to take,
which which I think, as I said, I think it
has to and which I think New Zealand has no
option but to take. As well as that, though the
government has to do more than what Nichola Willis is
talking about today. Because it's all very well to say,
(04:09):
isn't it that the government. You know, it's a government's
job to get the tourists here, and it's a tourism
operator's job to get as much money as possible out
of them once they're here. But as people in places
like Franz Joseph on the South Island's West coast, as
people there know, more visitors means more demand for basic
(04:30):
services like public toilets and all that stuff, and it's
a demand that local councils just can't afford to meet
on their own. And this is where the government is
going to have to have more skin in the game
if it really wants this open door policy to reap
the economic benefits that it wants, and that it expects
the economic benefits that of course will come with more
(04:51):
people visiting, irrespective of their bank balance. So yep, open
the floodgates, ditch the pipe dream that New Zealand is
only a place for wealthy tourists. Sell us to the world,
get as many people here visiting as you can, but
don't leave it to locals. And they're struggling councils to
provide all the ba services and infrastructure and facilities that
these visitors are going to need once they get here.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, raman overnight night before last, I've seen a caller
caller to his show who was complaining that he had
to pay two dollars fifty I had to go to
the toilet somewhere and he was worried that that was
putting tourists off. I think is that what he was
(05:34):
worried about or he was just worried that the locals
had to pay to go to the toilet. Again, I
missed the main for us because he also mentioned that
it was a payWave situation. We could tap and go
to go, and then I couldn't stop thinking about that.
US talk said, okay, so yeah, part of the tourism
(05:55):
equation is a rupe. Who I mean, if we don't
have a ski field, we don't have a ski season
really in the North Island, do we.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
It was a struggle to find the consensus over the
ski fields, with some preferring the continuation of a not
for profit organization such as the previous operator ral, others
preferring to hand things over to private operators. Along the way,
a lot of government money was put into keeping the
ski fields afloat until it got to the point where
the fields were too expensive to fail, as was the
(06:25):
prospect of closing them down, removing all the structures from
the mountain and returning it to its natural state. Getting
the chateau up and running again is going to cost
millions of dollars, but on the right term, such as
a thirty year lease in a peppercorn rent, WHL will
be willing to make the investment. They've also done the
research into the earthquake strengthening which needs to be done,
and believe it is not as extensive as previously suggested. Look,
(06:47):
this might not be the deal which makes everyone happy,
but frankly I don't see anyone else queuing up to.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Give it a go.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Leaving the chateau empty and decaying for years, possibly decades,
at the cost of around one hundred and fifty to
two hundred thousand dollars a month for maintenance when a
possible solution sits on the table is simply depressing. The
government needs to deal with the least termination agreement and
pay the previous operators, reopen expressions of interest and have
some conversations. Talking is almost always a good place to start,
(07:18):
so please take the call to a pay who is
an incredible part of our country and one that deserves
to be thriving.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Wasn't the problem last year that they didn't have very
much snow? So if we're getting expressions of interest of
people who can make snow out of nothing, I mean,
I know that there are snowmakers, but I think you
have the conditions have to be snowmaking machines. I mean,
it's not like some kind of a wizard. It just
makes snow. But I think the conditions have to be right.
(07:48):
So if we've got somebody who can change that, then
we might be onto something. A lot of theories going
around as to what's actually gone wrong with the country,
with the world. I think a lot of people like
to talk about that at length. And I think what
(08:12):
I mean by that is your media likes to tell
us at everything bad. Apparently are we not taking enough
risks these days?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Is that what's happen?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Wayne Brown thinks so he thinks health and safety is
holding us back.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
And you know, I was talking to a health and
safety advisor been before, and I asked, has he ever
seen a safety regulation removed? They just get layered on
and layered on and layered on, And as he points out,
we don't want people to die, but obviously it can
go too far to the point where nothing can get done,
and productivity is a huge problem in our country. And look,
(08:53):
speaking of death this, I saw this at the same
time as I was saying at the start of the
Last Hour, as I saw this thing from Wayne Brown,
as the same time as I was watching a documentary
on the Challenger disaster. And that was a disaster in
which succes, astronauts and a teacher that was on there
for publicity purposes died. But as I've played before, doctor Lucas,
(09:14):
the director of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and
director when the Challenger exploded, had this to say, all
these years later after the disaster.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Thirty years have changed the way I think about it
at all. Going in the space is something that great
countries do. They want to advanced technology, they want to learn,
and it's also risk and you have to take some chances.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Those two things came together in my mind and I thought,
if we're a country that just gets more and more
safe and more and more risk averse, are we even
going to do the bold, great things that we need
to do, And does that end up becoming the danger
because the country doesn't have the wealth, it doesn't have
the motivation, it doesn't have the direction that a country
needs to make people healthy, wealthy and successful.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're out walking the doll the other night, and we
walked past some people who were getting ready.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
To close.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
A suburban road some roadworks for the night, which involved
two trucks, four people putting out signs and cones. And
one of the trucks just seemed to be there to
(10:29):
warn cars, but the other truck was there doing what
it was doing. And I did think, is that the ott?
So maybe I'm with Wayne Brown as far as that goes.
But to long Bow between that and were or night you.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Should go to space.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm not sure I would have trusted any of those
four people to get me into space. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
News talk has it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Been so we're not drinking milk anymore? Does Marcus have
an alternative?
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Since the year nineteen seventy five, we are now drinking
half as much milk. No one ever talks about that
the Great Milk Drought half as much? Why why do
(11:33):
we all give up milk half as much milk as
we drank fifty years ago? And in Britain, one in
three are going for sawyer milk, almond milk, oat milk,
(11:54):
or coconut milk altogether. Now you can't milk a up,
presumably due to the belief that it's better for your
health of the planet.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
There you go.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Of course, not because it's not because it's better for
the planet. It's because it's ambient milk. And that means
you can just have it in the scullery or in
the pantry. In the pantry and just get it when
you need to. It doesn't go off. I think that's
(12:27):
one of the big things, is not the fact that
it's and nothing that's been milk, but the fact that
it's just there. It's in your dry goods. Would you
call them dry goods and you grab them milk and sure,
you're go to do there you go, there's a nut milk.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They reckon the.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
New milk watch the space. The new milk will be
potato milk. Oh, you can't milk a potato, but they reckon.
That's the one that's going to take over the world.
For a creamy it's already available. You can buy there's
one brand called Dug which is a great name for
potato milk, dug potato milk, yep, you make your own.
(13:07):
By the way, I'm going to give it a go.
They rigging almond milk quite bad for the environment because
the amount of water they need.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I'm confused about the potato milk because, like when you're
doing meshed potatoes, you add milk, don't you. It's a
hard thing to get right if you don't do it regularly.
Like I'm not a regular potato mesher. I think I've
made successful potato meshed potatoes once out of all my attempts.
(13:41):
But if you can make milk out of potatoes, why
do you have to add milk for potatoes?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Do you that.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
There'll be some scientific reason I suppose. And if you
switch to potato milk, are you then adding just potato
milk for your potatoes to make them? Those podcast has
really pose more questions than provided answers today. I'm sorry
about that. I'm going to spend the week in searching
(14:08):
up some answers for you, and hopefully I'll have some
of those for the weekly edition on Monday.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Evening, News Talk is Talking zid bean.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
For more from News Talk zed B, listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
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