August 25, 2025 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Monday on Newstalk ZB) All Jobs Are Hard/The Old Punishment VS Rehabilitation Equation/Dog Owners Get It/Time to Think Outside the Box (Kick)
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. Driving under the influence of
drugs and killing somebody was a topic of conversation yesterday.
As with dog attacks, it's a sort of a perennial
(00:45):
one that keeps coming up again again. And yes, the
All Blacks losing to Argentina for the first time in Argentina,
Oh dear. But before any of that, apparently new cops
aren't ready to be cops, or are they. Let's hear
from a guy who was a new cop once.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So are you still a cop or you were a cop?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
No, I was a cop?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And tell us about your first day on the job.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh, the first day is scary. You're sort of going
there and you've been total a theory, but the practical
reality is quite different, as in most jobs. But you
know it's a fair responsible job, and you know you're
going into some unknown territories. So national fact, my first
week was just a.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Blur, just a blur.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Did you say you just got out there a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Tim Yeah, my first week it was just a total
blur for me because there was just so much happening.
And as I say, taking the theory side and the
practical side's quite a bit different.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I imagine. So did you think you had you know,
what made it so confronting? Did you think you had
the information to do it? But the reality of just
facing the variables of being a cop was beyond anything
you could learn off, you know, in front of a
whitebird board.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Well, it's like any thing. It got real today that
you're actually getting out there and doing it. Yeah, sit
in the classroom. You can go and do all the ties,
you can do all the practicals. It's just like doing
first aid. You go and sit in the classroom. No
one's dying. Yeah, when you go out to someone's dying
in that situation, the reality of it is quite different.
The reality and the seriousness and the implications of your decisions. Yeah,
(02:32):
I quite magnified the day that you step in and
that becomes real. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean I've mentioned before that I was once related
to a guy who told me that the best thing
about being a policeman was the car chases. So I
guess it just depends what you're getting into it for
I suppose to how surprised you are how hard it
is to be a cop. But I mean that's most job,
isn't it. When I started doing this job, podcast hadn't
(03:02):
even been invented. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, well,
how could you been doing this job?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Then?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't mean this specific job me making a podcast.
I mean working at newsbooks and b Sillies, news talk been.
Something else that cops have to deal with these days
is people driving under the influence not I've just drink,
about drugs as well, And we had this case of
the of the young guy's been put away there killing
(03:33):
his mate in a crash while stoned. Here's what Kerry
thinks about that.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Some of them seem to be well, I was pissed
or stoned. It was an accident. These things happened. No,
yes they happened, but they shouldn't. And when they do happen,
a life has got to be recognized. The person who
took the life of another can't just be inconvenienced but bored,
(04:03):
brassed off at home life as they shouldn't as they
know it should come to an absolute halt. They should
lose their rights, they should go to prison, and they
should stay there for a period of time. It's never
going to mean a life. You're never going to be
sent to prison for life. But taking the life of
(04:27):
another through your own actions, through your own choices and decisions,
shouldn't mean that you're a bit bored at home. That
shouldn't be your punishment. Your rights, your liberty should be
taken from you, if not forever, at least for a
period of time to acknowledge that you have stolen the
(04:50):
life of another person. And that's got to count for something.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes, the old punishment versus rehabilitation equation. This is a
It's weird that this case is going to quite so
much attention. Although the person did get into the car
presumably knowing that the driver wasn't really in a fit
state to drive. I'm not saying they deserved what happened
(05:18):
to them, But oh it's complicated us talk sav right,
there are certain topics that just are going to get
the phones ringing on talkback radio every time, and one
of those is dogs on or off leashes. Who's responsible
for dog attacks? Why dog attacks happen? What can we
(05:38):
do to stop dog attacks?
Speaker 7 (05:39):
If they are lucky to survive, the road to recovery
is long, and poor old pup never really shakes the
anxiety in orders the owner. You've seen photos and the
news of kids' faces that look like they've been through
the butchers. It's gruesome, awful stuff, and those injuries are
with them for life. In Auckland alone last year three
thousand attacks fifteen thousand roaming dogs reported. When do else
(06:03):
do you call something a crisis?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Then?
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Now council says they're cracking down. Clearly it's too slow,
clearly not working. Dogs need to be destroyed immediately. Owners
need to be banned from owning. But they're not. This
is according to the victims. They say, nah, they're just
treated like they're victims too. And here's something that I
thought was interesting in looking into this yesterday. If a
(06:26):
dog is attacking you, or you witness a dog attacking
another person or another dog, legally you can destroy the
dog in that moment. It's legal if your actions will
stop that attack from continuing. You do have the right
to seize or destroy the animal, which would seem to
(06:46):
be the safest. And when you look at the outcomes
and you look at the number, would be a safer
option if a dog is attacking a child, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
See, this is another curly one. I am a dog owner,
and this is something that dog owners only dog owners
really understand without sounding patronizing, is that there's nothing quite
light letting you dog off the leash and watching them
exercise that freedom and running around and sniff things. And
(07:19):
but at the same time, you know, even if it's
like on a cycle shed cycle away for example, where
are often take my dog for a walk, you don't
want them running around in front of cyclist, for example,
because that could add in badly. And that's not even
an attack, that's just your dog being a dog and
a cyclist being a cyclist. Cyclists will take a shoe
(07:46):
with that and swear at you loudly if that happens.
It's not quite what we're talking about here. But I
guess there are places where you can let the dog
off the leash and if your dog's the kind of
dog that wants to eat another dog, perhaps don't have
that dog. Right. Let's have a bit more fun now,
(08:06):
let's talk about how I hopelessly all let swear in
the weekend.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
Lois has spot on. Robertson has run out of ideas,
has always coached I with the top players to hide behind.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Isn't a clue.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
A time for a new ab coach. The All Backs
upcoming Eden Park game technics should be a forward games
with zero box kicks because we can't catch them. I
don't know why we're so poor at catching. I was
thinking that before that maybe some of those Argentina and
kids had played a different sport when they were young
(08:36):
that was good at catching.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
It'd all be football.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
It's good at catching.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Anyway.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
I'm no arm chair expert. I just enjoyed the drama.
I enjoy the I mean, I've said this before. I
know you hate me for it. I love a match
that's undersided right till the end. I don't like a
match when the All Backs are head thirty points at halftime.
It's just a cake walk of procession.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Don't enjoy that.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Like the drama of it.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I think Marcus is actually under something. The just
the civil question why can't we catch?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Was jumping and catching? Really we I think we need
to start thinking outside the box a bit, and by
that I mean outside the box kick if we insist
on doing that strategy, which I don't I don't understand.
The only possible explination I've heard is it gives you
forwards to get your forwards going forward, which they seem
(09:33):
to prefer to do rather than running backwards all the time.
But yeah, I think we just need to start recruiting
from other sports. So basketball AFL that's all about jumping
high and catching the ball. Or if it's just about
jumping high, maybe you know Hamish curve would bring him in.
(09:59):
I don't know would he be would he be a
bit brittle to be a lock? For example? Let's keep him.
Is he a fast runner on the wing? Could he
be a winger? Get under that high ball? You have
a good vertical leap, I would have thought news talk
(10:20):
been I'm open to our ideas. I wonder if Heather's
got any.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
What I think we're failing to understand here is the
mental game for the Argentinians. The All Blacks are no
longer scary, unbeatable men to them. They slayed that dragon
five years ago. That actually counts for much more than
a lot of people think But also why I wasn't
feeling that confident heading into this game is that I
haven't been convinced by what I've seen of the All
Blacks this year so far.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Have you?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
It's been scrappy. I mean it's been scrappy against even
a French B side, not at all convincing. We're still
not sure that we've got the right number ten. We've
got serious injuries at number nine. Elliott has just written
an article calling for us to call back Aaron from
overseas where ill disciplined, or as Gregor Paul says, we're
dumb and dirty. Now the All Blacks are not the
(11:07):
slick winning machine of last years, not yet anyway, So
maybe forever or maybe just for now. The days of
assuming that the All Blacks are going to beat everyone,
especially teams have beaten them before, are over and Argentina
is at least for now not to be written off.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
How many years they have to go past before we
actually come to terms of the fact that it's a
very long time since we were unbeatable unquote, like you know,
we won that first World Cup and then there and
there was another one somewhere in there. But it's not
(11:46):
like we've been winning all the World Cups. You know
what I mean, We've got to I mean it would
be great, but we can't keep playing the same way,
making the same stupid mistakes. Anyway, I'm kind of over it.
I think I'll go back to watching the sci fi
programs now. I am Glen hat that has been talks
(12:08):
It being See you back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Us Talking Talkings It Bean for more from US talk
set B Listen live on air or online, and keep
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. Driving under the influence of
drugs and killing somebody was a topic of conversation yesterday.
As with dog attacks, it's a sort of a perennial
(00:45):
one that keeps coming up again again. And yes, the
All Blacks losing to Argentina for the first time in Argentina,
Oh dear. But before any of that, apparently new cops
aren't ready to be cops, or are they. Let's hear
from a guy who was a new cop once.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So are you still a cop or you were a cop?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
No, I was a cop?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And tell us about your first day on the job.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh, the first day is scary. You're sort of going
there and you've been total a theory, but the practical
reality is quite different, as in most jobs. But you
know it's a fair responsible job, and you know you're
going into some unknown territories. So national fact, my first
week was just a.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Blur, just a blur.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Did you say you just got out there a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Tim Yeah, my first week it was just a total
blur for me because there was just so much happening.
And as I say, taking the theory side and the
practical side's quite a bit different.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I imagine. So did you think you had you know,
what made it so confronting? Did you think you had
the information to do it? But the reality of just
facing the variables of being a cop was beyond anything
you could learn off, you know, in front of a
whitebird board.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Well, it's like any thing. It got real today that
you're actually getting out there and doing it. Yeah, sit
in the classroom. You can go and do all the ties,
you can do all the practicals. It's just like doing
first aid. You go and sit in the classroom. No
one's dying. Yeah, when you go out to someone's dying
in that situation, the reality of it is quite different.
The reality and the seriousness and the implications of your decisions. Yeah,
(02:32):
I quite magnified the day that you step in and
that becomes real. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean I've mentioned before that I was once related
to a guy who told me that the best thing
about being a policeman was the car chases. So I
guess it just depends what you're getting into it for
I suppose to how surprised you are how hard it
is to be a cop. But I mean that's most job,
isn't it. When I started doing this job, podcast hadn't
(03:02):
even been invented. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, well,
how could you been doing this job?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Then?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't mean this specific job me making a podcast.
I mean working at newsbooks and b Sillies, news talk been.
Something else that cops have to deal with these days
is people driving under the influence not I've just drink,
about drugs as well, And we had this case of
the of the young guy's been put away there killing
(03:33):
his mate in a crash while stoned. Here's what Kerry
thinks about that.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Some of them seem to be well, I was pissed
or stoned. It was an accident. These things happened. No,
yes they happened, but they shouldn't. And when they do happen,
a life has got to be recognized. The person who
took the life of another can't just be inconvenienced but bored,
(04:03):
brassed off at home life as they shouldn't as they
know it should come to an absolute halt. They should
lose their rights, they should go to prison, and they
should stay there for a period of time. It's never
going to mean a life. You're never going to be
sent to prison for life. But taking the life of
(04:27):
another through your own actions, through your own choices and decisions,
shouldn't mean that you're a bit bored at home. That
shouldn't be your punishment. Your rights, your liberty should be
taken from you, if not forever, at least for a
period of time to acknowledge that you have stolen the
(04:50):
life of another person. And that's got to count for something.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes, the old punishment versus rehabilitation equation. This is a
It's weird that this case is going to quite so
much attention. Although the person did get into the car
presumably knowing that the driver wasn't really in a fit
state to drive. I'm not saying they deserved what happened
(05:18):
to them, But oh it's complicated us talk sav right,
there are certain topics that just are going to get
the phones ringing on talkback radio every time, and one
of those is dogs on or off leashes. Who's responsible
for dog attacks? Why dog attacks happen? What can we
(05:38):
do to stop dog attacks?
Speaker 7 (05:39):
If they are lucky to survive, the road to recovery
is long, and poor old pup never really shakes the
anxiety in orders the owner. You've seen photos and the
news of kids' faces that look like they've been through
the butchers. It's gruesome, awful stuff, and those injuries are
with them for life. In Auckland alone last year three
thousand attacks fifteen thousand roaming dogs reported. When do else
(06:03):
do you call something a crisis?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Then?
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Now council says they're cracking down. Clearly it's too slow,
clearly not working. Dogs need to be destroyed immediately. Owners
need to be banned from owning. But they're not. This
is according to the victims. They say, nah, they're just
treated like they're victims too. And here's something that I
thought was interesting in looking into this yesterday. If a
(06:26):
dog is attacking you, or you witness a dog attacking
another person or another dog, legally you can destroy the
dog in that moment. It's legal if your actions will
stop that attack from continuing. You do have the right
to seize or destroy the animal, which would seem to
(06:46):
be the safest. And when you look at the outcomes
and you look at the number, would be a safer
option if a dog is attacking a child, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
See, this is another curly one. I am a dog owner,
and this is something that dog owners only dog owners
really understand without sounding patronizing, is that there's nothing quite
light letting you dog off the leash and watching them
exercise that freedom and running around and sniff things. And
(07:19):
but at the same time, you know, even if it's
like on a cycle shed cycle away for example, where
are often take my dog for a walk, you don't
want them running around in front of cyclist, for example,
because that could add in badly. And that's not even
an attack, that's just your dog being a dog and
a cyclist being a cyclist. Cyclists will take a shoe
(07:46):
with that and swear at you loudly if that happens.
It's not quite what we're talking about here. But I
guess there are places where you can let the dog
off the leash and if your dog's the kind of
dog that wants to eat another dog, perhaps don't have
that dog. Right. Let's have a bit more fun now,
(08:06):
let's talk about how I hopelessly all let swear in
the weekend.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
Lois has spot on. Robertson has run out of ideas,
has always coached I with the top players to hide behind.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Isn't a clue.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
A time for a new ab coach. The All Backs
upcoming Eden Park game technics should be a forward games
with zero box kicks because we can't catch them. I
don't know why we're so poor at catching. I was
thinking that before that maybe some of those Argentina and
kids had played a different sport when they were young
(08:36):
that was good at catching.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
It'd all be football.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
It's good at catching.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Anyway.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
I'm no arm chair expert. I just enjoyed the drama.
I enjoy the I mean, I've said this before. I
know you hate me for it. I love a match
that's undersided right till the end. I don't like a
match when the All Backs are head thirty points at halftime.
It's just a cake walk of procession.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Don't enjoy that.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Like the drama of it.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I think Marcus is actually under something. The just
the civil question why can't we catch?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Was jumping and catching? Really we I think we need
to start thinking outside the box a bit, and by
that I mean outside the box kick if we insist
on doing that strategy, which I don't I don't understand.
The only possible explination I've heard is it gives you
forwards to get your forwards going forward, which they seem
(09:33):
to prefer to do rather than running backwards all the time.
But yeah, I think we just need to start recruiting
from other sports. So basketball AFL that's all about jumping
high and catching the ball. Or if it's just about
jumping high, maybe you know Hamish curve would bring him in.
(09:59):
I don't know would he be would he be a
bit brittle to be a lock? For example? Let's keep him.
Is he a fast runner on the wing? Could he
be a winger? Get under that high ball? You have
a good vertical leap, I would have thought news talk
(10:20):
been I'm open to our ideas. I wonder if Heather's
got any.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
What I think we're failing to understand here is the
mental game for the Argentinians. The All Blacks are no
longer scary, unbeatable men to them. They slayed that dragon
five years ago. That actually counts for much more than
a lot of people think But also why I wasn't
feeling that confident heading into this game is that I
haven't been convinced by what I've seen of the All
Blacks this year so far.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Have you?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
It's been scrappy. I mean it's been scrappy against even
a French B side, not at all convincing. We're still
not sure that we've got the right number ten. We've
got serious injuries at number nine. Elliott has just written
an article calling for us to call back Aaron from
overseas where ill disciplined, or as Gregor Paul says, we're
dumb and dirty. Now the All Blacks are not the
(11:07):
slick winning machine of last years, not yet anyway, So
maybe forever or maybe just for now. The days of
assuming that the All Blacks are going to beat everyone,
especially teams have beaten them before, are over and Argentina
is at least for now not to be written off.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
How many years they have to go past before we
actually come to terms of the fact that it's a
very long time since we were unbeatable unquote, like you know,
we won that first World Cup and then there and
there was another one somewhere in there. But it's not
(11:46):
like we've been winning all the World Cups. You know
what I mean, We've got to I mean it would
be great, but we can't keep playing the same way,
making the same stupid mistakes. Anyway, I'm kind of over it.
I think I'll go back to watching the sci fi
programs now. I am Glen hat that has been talks
(12:08):
It being See you back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
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