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FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) No Wonder Noboy's Paying for It/Feeling Weird About the Socials/Sleep-Driving Is Serious/How Cats Control Us
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said b
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Wednesday and Seymour and co. And
their snapchats historical snapchats. This is a social media storm and
(00:46):
a key peekup the serious consequences of falling asleep at
the wheel and it was Kat Talk Wednesday with Marcus.
But before any of that, this digital news bill trying
to get big tech to pay for their news, just
(01:07):
carry think that can happen? Will it be effective? Let's
find out.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't know that giving television the ability to advertise
on Sundays and public holidays is going to save it either.
I'm not sure the revenue that's going to come and
is even remotely going to help in terms of keeping
traditional media, mainstream media alive. Is it simply delaying the inevitable?
(01:34):
Where do you get your news from? Where do you
get trusted sources of information? Do you also go to
places where you find yourself railing at either the announcer
or the tenor of the interview or the information just
(01:56):
so you can hear another side, or do you prefer
to hear your own views reinforced? Do you still check
in with the mainstream media websites? Is there anyone still
getting a newspaper delivered? When my mum gave up her subscription,
(02:17):
I thought, well, it's it. That's the end of that.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I thought to myself, is it just going to have
to transform itself completely in terms of not only how
it delivers news, but what it delivers, what sort of
information you want?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, yeah, Kerry taking a sort of a more holistic
view of things there, and what is the future in fact,
what is the present state of media? News?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Media?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
How people get their news? Do they even get news?
Are they interested in news? Ah? These are all tricky questions.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Aren't they news?
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Talk ze bean?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
What's my asking?
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Was just going to keep it trying to keep it real?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He doesn't think about and you will be able to
hold big check to account because we're so big and techy.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
The fact the media outlets use Facebook conc to pump
their service and outlets and digital sites doesn't get quite
as widely covered. But let's not interrupt the David and
Goliath narrative flow to kill the buzz. Should Facebook cut
a deal? Probably? Have they elsewhere? Well, that's another one
of the problems, sort of but not really. In Canada,
it hasn't worked well. The government has ended up handing
(03:27):
out money to news organizations after services got turned off.
Australia's in the middle of striking another deal which may
or may not work, the government under pressure from places
like Channel Line and Channel seven who are laying off
people by the hundred. It all boils down to the idea,
does a social media giant need New Zealand do they
care enough to pay this government can pass the law,
they can introduce arbitration to their blue in the face
(03:48):
the same way social media giants aren't supposed to allow
extremists and dangerous material online or lower impressionable teenagers to
spend their life scrolling. Have those laws worked? How many
American and European investigations and committee questions and answer sessions
do you want to see where politicians act tough for
the camera. Zuckerberg might stand up and apologize to grieving families,
But has it worked? Yes, we have a problem, but
(04:11):
do we have a solution, it's probably I think that
the probably worth the exercise, but don't be remotely surprised
have in the real world it achieves next to nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Man, there's a guy who's been burned one too many
times by having his imagine name used to advertise scarlet
with products on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
US talk SIB.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now we're going to stick with social media a little
bit longer because David Seymour and some others and have
been under scrutiny over the last little while because of
their snapchats exchanges with kids at school. This stupid, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Now?
Speaker 7 (04:59):
The important thing to know is that they all stress
that nothing untoward happened. He did not say anything weird,
He did not behave badly. He only responded with innocuous
things like no, I can't come to your party, but
you guys, have a great night and be safe. But
now that they are adults, they still feel uncomfortable about
it because they don't think that an adult politician should
(05:21):
be messaging kids. Now, let's just let's just get this straight.
The kids who initiated the contact, who admit that he
did nothing wrong, and now complaining because he messaged them back,
which is why they messaged him in the first place.
They are complaining that he responded to them, and these
are kids who are apparently old enough to have been
(05:43):
on Snapchat. Now this is nuts. I mean, this is
not a story and worse than that, let's be honest
about it. It's worse than that because these stories are
insinuating that David Seymour is a creep. No one's saying
that out loud, but that is the dog whistle that
is being sent in a news item about an older
man messaging school age kids. Shame on them for that.
I know that there was at least one other media
(06:03):
outlet who got the same information, looked into it and
made the responsible call, which is not to do the
story because it is not a story. When media companies
wonder why they're losing audience, they might want to think
about stories like this because it's very hard to respect
outlets and journalists who pedle this kind of a hit
job without any evidence of wrongdoing, only insinuating, which the
(06:26):
point of it, only serves to insinuate creepiness when there
is no evidence. Now short of some evidence emerging to
show that in fact, David Seymour is the creep, that
they are insinuating that he is. I think he has
every right to be really really upset about those stories.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It is very weird and annoyingly. It's made me second
guess myself with my own interactions with social media, which
are very limited. But you know, we've all got friends
who post stuff, and you know, you feel obliged to
have the like button their right, So what if you
so as happened to me over the weekend a friend
(07:03):
of mine her daughter, It was her ball and so
they were post photos of her, you know, in her
ball dress and you know, with her date and all
that sort of stuff. Am I supposed to not like
those photos? Is it creepy?
Speaker 8 (07:19):
If I like those photos?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Felt weird? It made me feel weird, right, So we've
got a very tragic case of possibly somebody falling asleep
at the wheel resulting in the death of some other motors.
Apparently because she might have fallen asleep, that she's got
a lighter sentence than you know, if she was just
(07:43):
under the influence or deliberately driving badly. That's caused a
bit of a discussion. It's a tricky one, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
In the instance of falling asleep at the wheel. Should
there be a tougher sentence? Should the judge have put
Kim Blakeney Williams in jail for three years because she
fell asleep?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, it was understood that that's what happened, So that
is the question.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Should the sentence for falling asleep at the wheel be tougher?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Can? I?
Speaker 8 (08:10):
Martin?
Speaker 9 (08:11):
But I've been lobbying for Pacific Crowsey driving legislation for
least ten years with the politicians. To someone that picked
up as private members built right, and I think it's
absolutely necessary to get this in place. I mean, it's
absolutely no different from someone basically drinking, but for knowing
that they've drunk a lot of alcohol and going out
on the road, or smoking a lot of pot going
(08:33):
on the road, or for that man of being dog tired.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
Alistair says, guys, it was an accident. What did they
expect the sentence would be? The family? I feel for them,
but what do they expect Convicted pedophiles get home to detention?
You get five years for murder? Says Alistair.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
This is a really curly one, isn't it. I mean,
you shouldn't drive drowsy. I once crashed my car, and
I don't know if I fell asleep or what, or
if I lost control because of the conditions or what.
(09:09):
I can't tell you because I happ my head and
I have no memory of the accident, a wed thing
in itself. But I have always worried that maybe I
did for asleep, because obviously I come to work in
the middle of the night and I usually am quite tired,
and maybe I shouldn't be driving around. Luckily there were
(09:31):
no other people in bold. I just read my own car,
But it could have been a lot worse, and it
would have been hard to argue if I'd gotten to
some serious trouble for that, if I'd hurt somebody else.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
These hard questions of the podcast today, aren't.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
They news talk? Has it been?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We'll finish with the ultimate hard question, of course, catperson
dog person.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Now I've never even done a night show on cat
scratching of furniture. But what is interesting the article that
says that research reveals why cats scratch furniture. And I
really the article, and I couldn't really see a reason
they did it because said the link was between increased
scratching and children, and was not fully understood. It says
(10:23):
the presence of children in the home, as well as
higher levels of play and nocturnal activity, significantly contribute to
increase scratching. Cats described as aggressive or disruptive also exhibited
higher levels of scratching. It seems as though the cats
get stressed. A cat's stress level was found to be
(10:45):
a leading reason for unwanted scratching. It is understanding the
underlying emotional motivations of scratching, such as frustration, which seems
to be elect present literates and environmental factors, allows caregivers
to address these issues directly. Could be the wrong food.
Another factor that may also be connected to the stress
(11:07):
was playfulness. Is rest levels could rise if they played
for too long due to uninterrupted stimulation. But imagine being
a cat out and reading that it makes no sense
about what's wrong or what you're supposed to do. Anyway,
it does, say providing safe hiding places. It'd be a
(11:30):
cardboard box? Would it? Elevated observation spots? Goodness are we
taking over? I guess that's ramps and stands like little
kiddie cafes and ample plaowerptunities can also help alleviate stress
and engage the cat in more constructive activities, she said.
Establishing multa I don't know who she is, but we'll
(11:52):
just call her she she said. Establishing multiple short play
sessions that mimiced successful hunting was likely to keep a
caditate for longer instead of clawing the couch. Goodness, never
thought about a cat clawing the couch in.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
These Yeah, classic exams of how genius cats are. That
they can completely turn your life upside down before you
even know it, the psychological games that they play. Suddenly
you've changed your whole day and the kind of furniture
(12:27):
you have in your house because you don't want it
scratched by the cats. Brilliant, brilliant, aren't they cats? These
they're evil geniuses cats. Yeah. I mean I remember having
to sell my red couches, which I love, because the
(12:50):
cat put holes in them. The people who bought them
just really wanted red couches. They didn't care that they
need holes in them. And then we had to get
different couches that were sort of a bit more cat
through And you might be thinking, why didn't you just
get rid of the cat that at the time no cats?
(13:11):
Now dog with with dog people. Now the dog doesn't.
The dog also damages the furniture. Doesn't mean to though,
he just gets bit excited. There's nothing to do about that.
Wouldn't spray him with a water bottle. Actually, we haven't
sprayed him with a water bottle. That's for backing at
the name. I'm getting off subject now, so let's quickly
(13:32):
in the podcast before this gets even more out of hand.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
See Tomorrow News Talks dog zid Bean for more from
News Talk said B. Listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Wednesday and Seymour and co. And
their snapchats historical snapchats. This is a social media storm and
(00:46):
a key peekup the serious consequences of falling asleep at
the wheel and it was Kat Talk Wednesday with Marcus.
But before any of that, this digital news bill trying
to get big tech to pay for their news, just
(01:07):
carry think that can happen? Will it be effective? Let's
find out.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't know that giving television the ability to advertise
on Sundays and public holidays is going to save it either.
I'm not sure the revenue that's going to come and
is even remotely going to help in terms of keeping
traditional media, mainstream media alive. Is it simply delaying the inevitable?
(01:34):
Where do you get your news from? Where do you
get trusted sources of information? Do you also go to
places where you find yourself railing at either the announcer
or the tenor of the interview or the information just
(01:56):
so you can hear another side, or do you prefer
to hear your own views reinforced? Do you still check
in with the mainstream media websites? Is there anyone still
getting a newspaper delivered? When my mum gave up her subscription,
(02:17):
I thought, well, it's it. That's the end of that.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I thought to myself, is it just going to have
to transform itself completely in terms of not only how
it delivers news, but what it delivers, what sort of
information you want?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, yeah, Kerry taking a sort of a more holistic
view of things there, and what is the future in fact,
what is the present state of media? News?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Media?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
How people get their news? Do they even get news?
Are they interested in news? Ah? These are all tricky questions.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Aren't they news?
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Talk ze bean?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
What's my asking?
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Was just going to keep it trying to keep it real?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He doesn't think about and you will be able to
hold big check to account because we're so big and techy.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
The fact the media outlets use Facebook conc to pump
their service and outlets and digital sites doesn't get quite
as widely covered. But let's not interrupt the David and
Goliath narrative flow to kill the buzz. Should Facebook cut
a deal? Probably? Have they elsewhere? Well, that's another one
of the problems, sort of but not really. In Canada,
it hasn't worked well. The government has ended up handing
(03:27):
out money to news organizations after services got turned off.
Australia's in the middle of striking another deal which may
or may not work, the government under pressure from places
like Channel Line and Channel seven who are laying off
people by the hundred. It all boils down to the idea,
does a social media giant need New Zealand do they
care enough to pay this government can pass the law,
they can introduce arbitration to their blue in the face
(03:48):
the same way social media giants aren't supposed to allow
extremists and dangerous material online or lower impressionable teenagers to
spend their life scrolling. Have those laws worked? How many
American and European investigations and committee questions and answer sessions
do you want to see where politicians act tough for
the camera. Zuckerberg might stand up and apologize to grieving families,
But has it worked? Yes, we have a problem, but
(04:11):
do we have a solution, it's probably I think that
the probably worth the exercise, but don't be remotely surprised
have in the real world it achieves next to nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Man, there's a guy who's been burned one too many
times by having his imagine name used to advertise scarlet
with products on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
US talk SIB.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now we're going to stick with social media a little
bit longer because David Seymour and some others and have
been under scrutiny over the last little while because of
their snapchats exchanges with kids at school. This stupid, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Now?
Speaker 7 (04:59):
The important thing to know is that they all stress
that nothing untoward happened. He did not say anything weird,
He did not behave badly. He only responded with innocuous
things like no, I can't come to your party, but
you guys, have a great night and be safe. But
now that they are adults, they still feel uncomfortable about
it because they don't think that an adult politician should
(05:21):
be messaging kids. Now, let's just let's just get this straight.
The kids who initiated the contact, who admit that he
did nothing wrong, and now complaining because he messaged them back,
which is why they messaged him in the first place.
They are complaining that he responded to them, and these
are kids who are apparently old enough to have been
(05:43):
on Snapchat. Now this is nuts. I mean, this is
not a story and worse than that, let's be honest
about it. It's worse than that because these stories are
insinuating that David Seymour is a creep. No one's saying
that out loud, but that is the dog whistle that
is being sent in a news item about an older
man messaging school age kids. Shame on them for that.
I know that there was at least one other media
(06:03):
outlet who got the same information, looked into it and
made the responsible call, which is not to do the
story because it is not a story. When media companies
wonder why they're losing audience, they might want to think
about stories like this because it's very hard to respect
outlets and journalists who pedle this kind of a hit
job without any evidence of wrongdoing, only insinuating, which the
(06:26):
point of it, only serves to insinuate creepiness when there
is no evidence. Now short of some evidence emerging to
show that in fact, David Seymour is the creep, that
they are insinuating that he is. I think he has
every right to be really really upset about those stories.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It is very weird and annoyingly. It's made me second
guess myself with my own interactions with social media, which
are very limited. But you know, we've all got friends
who post stuff, and you know, you feel obliged to
have the like button their right, So what if you
so as happened to me over the weekend a friend
(07:03):
of mine her daughter, It was her ball and so
they were post photos of her, you know, in her
ball dress and you know, with her date and all
that sort of stuff. Am I supposed to not like
those photos? Is it creepy?
Speaker 8 (07:19):
If I like those photos?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Felt weird? It made me feel weird, right, So we've
got a very tragic case of possibly somebody falling asleep
at the wheel resulting in the death of some other motors.
Apparently because she might have fallen asleep, that she's got
a lighter sentence than you know, if she was just
(07:43):
under the influence or deliberately driving badly. That's caused a
bit of a discussion. It's a tricky one, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
In the instance of falling asleep at the wheel. Should
there be a tougher sentence? Should the judge have put
Kim Blakeney Williams in jail for three years because she
fell asleep?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, it was understood that that's what happened, So that
is the question.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Should the sentence for falling asleep at the wheel be tougher?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Can? I?
Speaker 8 (08:10):
Martin?
Speaker 9 (08:11):
But I've been lobbying for Pacific Crowsey driving legislation for
least ten years with the politicians. To someone that picked
up as private members built right, and I think it's
absolutely necessary to get this in place. I mean, it's
absolutely no different from someone basically drinking, but for knowing
that they've drunk a lot of alcohol and going out
on the road, or smoking a lot of pot going
(08:33):
on the road, or for that man of being dog tired.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
Alistair says, guys, it was an accident. What did they
expect the sentence would be? The family? I feel for them,
but what do they expect Convicted pedophiles get home to detention?
You get five years for murder? Says Alistair.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
This is a really curly one, isn't it. I mean,
you shouldn't drive drowsy. I once crashed my car, and
I don't know if I fell asleep or what, or
if I lost control because of the conditions or what.
(09:09):
I can't tell you because I happ my head and
I have no memory of the accident, a wed thing
in itself. But I have always worried that maybe I
did for asleep, because obviously I come to work in
the middle of the night and I usually am quite tired,
and maybe I shouldn't be driving around. Luckily there were
(09:31):
no other people in bold. I just read my own car,
But it could have been a lot worse, and it
would have been hard to argue if I'd gotten to
some serious trouble for that, if I'd hurt somebody else.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
These hard questions of the podcast today, aren't.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
They news talk? Has it been?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We'll finish with the ultimate hard question, of course, catperson
dog person.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Now I've never even done a night show on cat
scratching of furniture. But what is interesting the article that
says that research reveals why cats scratch furniture. And I
really the article, and I couldn't really see a reason
they did it because said the link was between increased
scratching and children, and was not fully understood. It says
(10:23):
the presence of children in the home, as well as
higher levels of play and nocturnal activity, significantly contribute to
increase scratching. Cats described as aggressive or disruptive also exhibited
higher levels of scratching. It seems as though the cats
get stressed. A cat's stress level was found to be
(10:45):
a leading reason for unwanted scratching. It is understanding the
underlying emotional motivations of scratching, such as frustration, which seems
to be elect present literates and environmental factors, allows caregivers
to address these issues directly. Could be the wrong food.
Another factor that may also be connected to the stress
(11:07):
was playfulness. Is rest levels could rise if they played
for too long due to uninterrupted stimulation. But imagine being
a cat out and reading that it makes no sense
about what's wrong or what you're supposed to do. Anyway,
it does, say providing safe hiding places. It'd be a
(11:30):
cardboard box? Would it? Elevated observation spots? Goodness are we
taking over? I guess that's ramps and stands like little
kiddie cafes and ample plaowerptunities can also help alleviate stress
and engage the cat in more constructive activities, she said.
Establishing multa I don't know who she is, but we'll
(11:52):
just call her she she said. Establishing multiple short play
sessions that mimiced successful hunting was likely to keep a
caditate for longer instead of clawing the couch. Goodness, never
thought about a cat clawing the couch in.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
These Yeah, classic exams of how genius cats are. That
they can completely turn your life upside down before you
even know it, the psychological games that they play. Suddenly
you've changed your whole day and the kind of furniture
(12:27):
you have in your house because you don't want it
scratched by the cats. Brilliant, brilliant, aren't they cats? These
they're evil geniuses cats. Yeah. I mean I remember having
to sell my red couches, which I love, because the
(12:50):
cat put holes in them. The people who bought them
just really wanted red couches. They didn't care that they
need holes in them. And then we had to get
different couches that were sort of a bit more cat
through And you might be thinking, why didn't you just
get rid of the cat that at the time no cats?
(13:11):
Now dog with with dog people. Now the dog doesn't.
The dog also damages the furniture. Doesn't mean to though,
he just gets bit excited. There's nothing to do about that.
Wouldn't spray him with a water bottle. Actually, we haven't
sprayed him with a water bottle. That's for backing at
the name. I'm getting off subject now, so let's quickly
(13:32):
in the podcast before this gets even more out of hand.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
See Tomorrow News Talks dog zid Bean for more from
News Talk said B. Listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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