August 6, 2025 • 11 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) Paying for the Same Thing a Different Way/Robot Apocalypse Update/The Problem with TradeMe
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart, and we're
looking back at Wednesday. The robot apocalypse is gathering speed.
Now AI is going to be marking the kids exams.
Marcus wants the word on trade me, but first up
(00:45):
racks for everyone, because yeah, they realized that if you're
not buying petrol, how are you're paying for the roads.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's hidden in the petrol cost, isn't it. But once
it's stripped out, it's going to smack us in the
face every month or however often we pay that bill
and we can make a decision based on that. It's
actually quite a lot of money that you're paying to
use the road. Text makes up almost half the cost
of petrol. So once you get that bill, you can
decide if you want to drive a little bit less,
drive a little bit more, whatever you want to do.
It's going to also, if design, probably change our behavior
(01:16):
for the better when it comes to choosing our cars,
because heavier cars should end up being charged more as
they should because they do a lot more damage to
the roads. For example, electric vehicles are enormously heavy and
will be pot hooling the road a lot more than
your lighter Suzuki Swift. That should if we respond rationally
to pricing, make us move towards lighter vehicles and away
(01:36):
from this trend of bigger is better all the time,
which is, as I say, better for road maintenance. But
and here's the butt everything here I think hangs off
on the enforcement because this is ripe for gaming. The
very same people who do not get a WAFF, who
do not get a red Joe now will not get
their rucks. Am I imagining it? Or was it not
also the case that the EV drivers, when they were
(01:57):
made to get rucks, a whole bunch of them didn't
even bother getting rucks for a whole lot there. So,
if you've got wealthy EV drivers who are happy to
go around pretending to have a ruck when they own
actually or what about the rest of us. If you're
going from a really simple system where you just basically
get it taken out of what you're paying at the
pump to a more complex count the caves and file,
the paperwork system. How are you going to be sure
(02:17):
that absolutely everybody's doing what they're supposed to do? So
in an announcement light on detail, very light on detail,
that is the question I have, But in theory, very
good idea.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So my car weighs about twelve hundred kilos As far
as I can figure it out, I don't know if
that's good or bad. I suppose Isn't this just sort of.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Is this fair?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Is it like if you're driving further, aren't you're buying
more petrol and paying more tax for roads? Anyway? Isn't it?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
News talk has it been men?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Tyler figure it out? I'm not confident, just quietly.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Road user charges is what we've been discussing, and they
are coming in across the board. The government announced that
today they want to bring it in in twenty twenty seven.
They're bit of work to do about how all the
technology will work, and they are the big questions we've
been finding over the last hour.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, because it seems like it's some kind of EUT system.
As christ Bishop said today, a handful of e UT
companies already do this for about half of our heavy
vehicle fleet, and there are several companies, both to Mesic
and international with innovative technology that could comply with RUCK.
Complying with RUT cheaper and easier, he said, We're not
(03:35):
going to shift millions of drivers from a simple system
at the pump to queues at the retailers. Instead of
expanding a clinky government system, we will reform the rules
to allow the market to deliver innovative, user friendly services
for drivers. Now this Texas says, I've worked on RUCK
programs around the world. Nothing government has said in this
announcement would make it mandatory to do more than a
domeitive reporting. The option to include location exists now with
(03:59):
e RUCK. So the bit that we're concerned about is
this from Christopher Bishop allowing bundling of other roads are
just like tolls and time have used based processing into
a single easy payment. So if you take an EERUK
system and terms such as time of use based timing pricing,
(04:23):
I mean that suggests that they're tracking where.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You are, Yeah, and then they might be wrong there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Maybe that's been mis spoken, But if it has the
ability to do that, they might not do it, But
the next government might do it.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, they might, they might. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, that hasn't made it much less complicated to me.
I'm just worried. Am I going to have to stick
another sticker on my wind screen? I really prefer my
windscreen to be clutter free? Is there another way we
can do it?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Use talk right, So be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So no, sooner all the people who wanted the education
to feel like who was in the old days get
their way. Then suddenly we get told the robots will
be marking the exams.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
Remember twenty sixteen, late changes in a top level school
exam maths paper led to a mistake so bad that
students could not answer the question. It was unanswerable because
of a mistake made by a human which and this
was I think top NCAA level three maths, so we're
talking quite pointy headed stuff, and it was simply unanswerable,
(05:34):
leading to students walking out of the exam doubting themselves
beside themselves. That same year, it was revealed four other
external NCAA maths and stats exam papers were affected by mistakes,
but they weren't considered as severe. Now, if you can
iron out those kind of glitches, all well and good,
(05:56):
and if AI can free up teachers to teach not
doing the boring admin tasks again, so much the better.
It's not per it's only as good as the human
input it receives. But like automation, it is brilliant at
doing the basic, repetitive jobs. If you don't want to say,
(06:21):
I can remember my mum who was a teacher, bringing
marking home and she was marking primary school papers, so
it was pretty basic stuff, but it was still fifty
odd papers that would have to be marked and she'd
bring it home and should do the marking, and it
would take her a couple of hours. Why would you
not use AI to do something that is boring and repetitive?
(06:46):
Why would you not use AI to do the communication
to parents? If you've got an email that has to
go out to parents once a week, why wouldn't you
use it for EDMIN And why wouldn't you use it
for marking?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You can't have it both ways. You can't have a
more what's the word? If I'm consuming admin intensive system
of education and then not expect them to use the
tools available to make it work, idiot? Is I mean,
I don't even know why when you think about it,
Why are they teaching maths anymore? Anyway? Isn't it? Shouldn't
(07:23):
it just be like coding? Yeah, like you can learn
it if you want to. But we're happy just to
use the programs. You ask AI to analyze your spreadsheet
for you, you don't need to be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do you.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
As for the Swedish Prime Minister, he's copying flak for
not being able to do his job without the help
of a robot. But you still need to use judgment,
don't you. You can't just punch into AI. Should I
go to war tomorrow and then blindly follow the answer?
Is AI not the mental equivalent of a forklift, a tool,
a machine doing the heavy lifting for our brains. We
(07:58):
don't have problems with forklifts, do we. They're helpful, they're useful.
The reality is it doesn't actually matter how we feel
about AI and the moral thousand moral dilemmas that throws
up like mobile phones, like the internet, smartphones and then
social media. It's one of these phenomenon that takes over
(08:20):
our lives, whether we like it or not. The best
we can probably do is just get used to it
and get over it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I've told this story before that you may not have
been around when I was telling it. How I used
to get into arguments with people at Odawa College where
my kids went to school, because they were one of
the first schools to introduce that bring your own device program,
and people were worried that it would mean that they
(08:47):
wouldn't learn how to write properly, and at which point
I said, well, they don't need to, and I basically
was booed out of the district. I think I've been
appealed to be right history. I was on the right
side there news talk. The anytime I need to write
(09:10):
these days is in greeting cards, and that it is true.
That's an absolute shit show, you know. I attempt that
maybe you cross things out and nobody can read what
I've written and looks like it looks like a serial killer.
It's been scrawling all over the card. That's neither here
nor there. What's Marcu's got to say about trade meet
last night?
Speaker 6 (09:30):
I heard you're just talking about the pick up only
on trade me. So I'm a trade me seller as
a side hustle. And the reason people do it is
because of the hassle of trying to organize the curious,
particularly if you're selling things that are all odd sorts
of shapes where you you don't exactly know before you
package the whole thing up how big it's going to
be and how much it's going to cost to send
(09:52):
into a city down the South Island or a rural area,
et cetera. So pick up only it's just, you know,
for people in the local area, it just takes the
hattle out of not having the ship.
Speaker 9 (10:03):
You don't think you're restricting your market by about a
tenth because you only sell a local people.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Yeah, I think if you're if you're a reseller like me,
you absolutely have to ship around the country, be prepared
to do that, and from time time be prepared to
take away bit of a haircut because he got the
shipping wrong. Okay, But if you're just occasional seller of
some stuff out of your garage, then pick up only
makes some sense. Some of that can be bulky stuff.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
You know, you have to be home the whole time.
Wouldn't you wait for people to come around?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Yeah, well you can to find you know, when you
put pick up only, then from trade me you exchange
an email and then you arrange at what even night
weekend that you're available. So that's kind of how that works.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
But then you say five o'clock and someone comes around
five o'clock in the morning. That's always the trouble, isn't it,
because you mean five pm?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And it's a stupid argument.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Was he just saying that facetiously? I assume he was.
The annoying thing for me is I would when you
book the courier, they have to come and pick it
up from your house, you know, somewhere where you are.
That's the time you've got to be there for the courier,
but you don't know what time the currier is going
to come. I'd drive past a post shop every day.
(11:19):
Why can't I book it to book the courrier to
pick it up from there? That's what I want from
trade me, Trade me, if you listen, can you add
that to your book a courier thing so I can
just be picked up from my nearest post shop. Thanks,
I am Glen Hart. Those are ideas for trade me today.
Who knows what suggestions I'll have for who tomorrow? Find
(11:42):
out then then you join me back here for another
news talks.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
He had been.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It was almost a good outtrait there used Talking Talks.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
It beam
Speaker 1 (11:54):
For more from news Talk said be listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart, and we're
looking back at Wednesday. The robot apocalypse is gathering speed.
Now AI is going to be marking the kids exams.
Marcus wants the word on trade me, but first up
(00:45):
racks for everyone, because yeah, they realized that if you're
not buying petrol, how are you're paying for the roads.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's hidden in the petrol cost, isn't it. But once
it's stripped out, it's going to smack us in the
face every month or however often we pay that bill
and we can make a decision based on that. It's
actually quite a lot of money that you're paying to
use the road. Text makes up almost half the cost
of petrol. So once you get that bill, you can
decide if you want to drive a little bit less,
drive a little bit more, whatever you want to do.
It's going to also, if design, probably change our behavior
(01:16):
for the better when it comes to choosing our cars,
because heavier cars should end up being charged more as
they should because they do a lot more damage to
the roads. For example, electric vehicles are enormously heavy and
will be pot hooling the road a lot more than
your lighter Suzuki Swift. That should if we respond rationally
to pricing, make us move towards lighter vehicles and away
(01:36):
from this trend of bigger is better all the time,
which is, as I say, better for road maintenance. But
and here's the butt everything here I think hangs off
on the enforcement because this is ripe for gaming. The
very same people who do not get a WAFF, who
do not get a red Joe now will not get
their rucks. Am I imagining it? Or was it not
also the case that the EV drivers, when they were
(01:57):
made to get rucks, a whole bunch of them didn't
even bother getting rucks for a whole lot there. So,
if you've got wealthy EV drivers who are happy to
go around pretending to have a ruck when they own
actually or what about the rest of us. If you're
going from a really simple system where you just basically
get it taken out of what you're paying at the
pump to a more complex count the caves and file,
the paperwork system. How are you going to be sure
(02:17):
that absolutely everybody's doing what they're supposed to do? So
in an announcement light on detail, very light on detail,
that is the question I have, But in theory, very
good idea.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So my car weighs about twelve hundred kilos As far
as I can figure it out, I don't know if
that's good or bad. I suppose Isn't this just sort of.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Is this fair?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Is it like if you're driving further, aren't you're buying
more petrol and paying more tax for roads? Anyway? Isn't it?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
News talk has it been men?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Tyler figure it out? I'm not confident, just quietly.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Road user charges is what we've been discussing, and they
are coming in across the board. The government announced that
today they want to bring it in in twenty twenty seven.
They're bit of work to do about how all the
technology will work, and they are the big questions we've
been finding over the last hour.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, because it seems like it's some kind of EUT system.
As christ Bishop said today, a handful of e UT
companies already do this for about half of our heavy
vehicle fleet, and there are several companies, both to Mesic
and international with innovative technology that could comply with RUCK.
Complying with RUT cheaper and easier, he said, We're not
(03:35):
going to shift millions of drivers from a simple system
at the pump to queues at the retailers. Instead of
expanding a clinky government system, we will reform the rules
to allow the market to deliver innovative, user friendly services
for drivers. Now this Texas says, I've worked on RUCK
programs around the world. Nothing government has said in this
announcement would make it mandatory to do more than a
domeitive reporting. The option to include location exists now with
(03:59):
e RUCK. So the bit that we're concerned about is
this from Christopher Bishop allowing bundling of other roads are
just like tolls and time have used based processing into
a single easy payment. So if you take an EERUK
system and terms such as time of use based timing pricing,
(04:23):
I mean that suggests that they're tracking where.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You are, Yeah, and then they might be wrong there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Maybe that's been mis spoken, But if it has the
ability to do that, they might not do it, But
the next government might do it.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, they might, they might. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, that hasn't made it much less complicated to me.
I'm just worried. Am I going to have to stick
another sticker on my wind screen? I really prefer my
windscreen to be clutter free? Is there another way we
can do it?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Use talk right, So be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So no, sooner all the people who wanted the education
to feel like who was in the old days get
their way. Then suddenly we get told the robots will
be marking the exams.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
Remember twenty sixteen, late changes in a top level school
exam maths paper led to a mistake so bad that
students could not answer the question. It was unanswerable because
of a mistake made by a human which and this
was I think top NCAA level three maths, so we're
talking quite pointy headed stuff, and it was simply unanswerable,
(05:34):
leading to students walking out of the exam doubting themselves
beside themselves. That same year, it was revealed four other
external NCAA maths and stats exam papers were affected by mistakes,
but they weren't considered as severe. Now, if you can
iron out those kind of glitches, all well and good,
(05:56):
and if AI can free up teachers to teach not
doing the boring admin tasks again, so much the better.
It's not per it's only as good as the human
input it receives. But like automation, it is brilliant at
doing the basic, repetitive jobs. If you don't want to say,
(06:21):
I can remember my mum who was a teacher, bringing
marking home and she was marking primary school papers, so
it was pretty basic stuff, but it was still fifty
odd papers that would have to be marked and she'd
bring it home and should do the marking, and it
would take her a couple of hours. Why would you
not use AI to do something that is boring and repetitive?
(06:46):
Why would you not use AI to do the communication
to parents? If you've got an email that has to
go out to parents once a week, why wouldn't you
use it for EDMIN And why wouldn't you use it
for marking?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You can't have it both ways. You can't have a
more what's the word? If I'm consuming admin intensive system
of education and then not expect them to use the
tools available to make it work, idiot? Is I mean,
I don't even know why when you think about it,
Why are they teaching maths anymore? Anyway? Isn't it? Shouldn't
(07:23):
it just be like coding? Yeah, like you can learn
it if you want to. But we're happy just to
use the programs. You ask AI to analyze your spreadsheet
for you, you don't need to be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do you.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
As for the Swedish Prime Minister, he's copying flak for
not being able to do his job without the help
of a robot. But you still need to use judgment,
don't you. You can't just punch into AI. Should I
go to war tomorrow and then blindly follow the answer?
Is AI not the mental equivalent of a forklift, a tool,
a machine doing the heavy lifting for our brains. We
(07:58):
don't have problems with forklifts, do we. They're helpful, they're useful.
The reality is it doesn't actually matter how we feel
about AI and the moral thousand moral dilemmas that throws
up like mobile phones, like the internet, smartphones and then
social media. It's one of these phenomenon that takes over
(08:20):
our lives, whether we like it or not. The best
we can probably do is just get used to it
and get over it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I've told this story before that you may not have
been around when I was telling it. How I used
to get into arguments with people at Odawa College where
my kids went to school, because they were one of
the first schools to introduce that bring your own device program,
and people were worried that it would mean that they
(08:47):
wouldn't learn how to write properly, and at which point
I said, well, they don't need to, and I basically
was booed out of the district. I think I've been
appealed to be right history. I was on the right
side there news talk. The anytime I need to write
(09:10):
these days is in greeting cards, and that it is true.
That's an absolute shit show, you know. I attempt that
maybe you cross things out and nobody can read what
I've written and looks like it looks like a serial killer.
It's been scrawling all over the card. That's neither here
nor there. What's Marcu's got to say about trade meet
last night?
Speaker 6 (09:30):
I heard you're just talking about the pick up only
on trade me. So I'm a trade me seller as
a side hustle. And the reason people do it is
because of the hassle of trying to organize the curious,
particularly if you're selling things that are all odd sorts
of shapes where you you don't exactly know before you
package the whole thing up how big it's going to
be and how much it's going to cost to send
(09:52):
into a city down the South Island or a rural area,
et cetera. So pick up only it's just, you know,
for people in the local area, it just takes the
hattle out of not having the ship.
Speaker 9 (10:03):
You don't think you're restricting your market by about a
tenth because you only sell a local people.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Yeah, I think if you're if you're a reseller like me,
you absolutely have to ship around the country, be prepared
to do that, and from time time be prepared to
take away bit of a haircut because he got the
shipping wrong. Okay, But if you're just occasional seller of
some stuff out of your garage, then pick up only
makes some sense. Some of that can be bulky stuff.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
You know, you have to be home the whole time.
Wouldn't you wait for people to come around?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Yeah, well you can to find you know, when you
put pick up only, then from trade me you exchange
an email and then you arrange at what even night
weekend that you're available. So that's kind of how that works.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
But then you say five o'clock and someone comes around
five o'clock in the morning. That's always the trouble, isn't it,
because you mean five pm?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And it's a stupid argument.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Was he just saying that facetiously? I assume he was.
The annoying thing for me is I would when you
book the courier, they have to come and pick it
up from your house, you know, somewhere where you are.
That's the time you've got to be there for the courier,
but you don't know what time the currier is going
to come. I'd drive past a post shop every day.
(11:19):
Why can't I book it to book the courrier to
pick it up from there? That's what I want from
trade me, Trade me, if you listen, can you add
that to your book a courier thing so I can
just be picked up from my nearest post shop. Thanks,
I am Glen Hart. Those are ideas for trade me today.
Who knows what suggestions I'll have for who tomorrow? Find
(11:42):
out then then you join me back here for another
news talks.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
He had been.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It was almost a good outtrait there used Talking Talks.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
It beam
Speaker 1 (11:54):
For more from news Talk said be listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
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