October 19, 2025 • 11 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) Who'd Play You?/Helping Some People Sort Their Lives Out/The Dodgiest Royal/Senior Squash
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
So reader for Beanies, and welcome to the Being the
week in edition. First use today's news I ain't Glen
harton We're looking back at Sunday and Saturday through a
lot of weekends happen and today with these changes that
the government's been making for the benefit you know, whether
you can get it or not when you first leave
score all that sort of stuff. We'll get into that.
(00:46):
Prince Andrew is looking dodgier than ever. Nothing dodgy about
poor Cole. He is perhaps in the best form of
his squash career. But first out this Pike River movie.
What did Jack Tame make of that?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I watched Pike River the film this week. I found
it very affecting. It's interesting to note that director Rob
Saki's also directed Out of the Blue, the film about Adamauana.
He waited sixteen years after the massacre to make and
release that film, and he's waited almost as long for
Pike River. He's really got a knack for sensitively telling
(01:25):
some of the most painful but important modern New Zealand stories.
But there's a big and obvious difference between Out of
the Blue and Pike River. The Pike River story still
isn't over. Police and the Crown Solicitor are still deciding
whether to lay criminal charges after all of those days,
(01:48):
waiting to see if their boys might have somehow survived
all of those weeks and then months and then years,
to see if the mind could be re entered, if
they could recover the remains of their loved ones. The
families of the Pike twenty nine are still waiting. The
media left town in a way, the world moved on
(02:09):
around them. But you get the sense after fifteen years,
the little part of Graymouth is still hollowed out, kind
of like I experienced on that afternoon, still waiting for justice.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, so it sounds like that's not really a light
sort of feel good watch. You'll need to be in
the right mood before you'd rush out to that one
news talk ze been anyway. Later on in his show,
Jack had a chat with a couple of the Pike
(02:46):
River widows, who are actually played by some quite famous
people in the movie, and that must have felt weird.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I can imagine from your perspective. Given everything you've experienced
over the last fifteen years, a lot of people in
your shoes would find it hard to trust people, and
you have to go to someone like Rob and put
an readable amount of trust in him to tell your story.
How did you feel about this on you.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, I kind of feel like he's the sort of
person that when you meet him, I trust my instinct
most of the time, and I just felt I just
felt safe with him, and Fiona too. And you can
tell when somebody is interested in what you're saying. And
(03:34):
we've had plenty of people that, you know, give us
lip service but aren't actually listening. But he was listening,
and he asked a lot of questions, and he spent
a lot of time with us. And one of the
big frustrations for Anna and I was that nobody wanted
to listen. Everyone had pike fatigue. They were sick of it,
and they didn't want to listen to what we had
(03:55):
to say because it went against the grain. And you know,
as he was, we know that, you know, we're pretty
we are pretty conservative people, you know, most of the time,
and so we don't like to rock the boat. And
we were rocking the boat, and you know, people got
annoyed by that. So to have somebody like Rob and
(04:19):
Fiona just wanting us to spill everything that we were
feeling and thinking, it was so liberating because we felt
like finally we were taking control, you know, because for
years we just had to sit there and be told
what we were being told, and we knew that it
(04:42):
wasn't right, but there was nothing we could do about it.
We were told to be, to be and to be
dignified because otherwise the government might, you know, walk away.
And I actually believe that in the beginning, and then
I thought later on, you know, that's just rubbish.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well, I hope they have found this process cathartic in
some way where I learned from my costing. He loves
to use that word. Have a listen out next time
he's doing a long form interview with somebody and see
if he asked the question, did you find the whole
process cathartic? If he does, you have to drink at
(05:23):
that point you talk, right. So not everybody is a
fan of these changes the governments has to be making
to the lost jobs. He could benefit, particularly, I thank
the Greens are a bit concerned that some people won't
be getting it, who perhaps should be.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
What don't you like about the changes that are coming in?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Well, first of all, the Minister has straight up lied
when she calls them financial non financial thinks when people
are subjected to these so called non financial sanctions, they
cannot exist things like hardship assistance, a lifeline that many
beneficiaries rely on to be able to cover their basics
for food, rent and their belts. And at a time
where we've got around four beneficiaries parent job add it
(06:11):
just makes no sense to punish beneficiaries or any economic
crisis that they're didn't create.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
What about I mean, what's fundamentally wrong?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Do you think about requiring people on the job seek
a benefit to actually actively look for work.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Because they're already doing it. As you may have seen,
there are reports of showing that we've had job ads
that have had hundreds of applicants each and so if
Work and Income wants to do a better job at
connecting beneficiaries with jobs, they could simply create more tailored
workshops where people are actually connected to jobs that match
their skills and aspirations, as opposed to pretend that there
(06:47):
are enough jobs for beneficiaries up there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
What about the people who don't have any skills or aspirations?
I think I fall squeally into that department. I mean,
I'm lucky that nobody realizes that I'm not really doing
anything here and they keep paying me. But yeah, not
everybody so lucky. Some people just don't want to work,
and they've got no inspiration to either. I don't know
(07:11):
what you do with those sorts of people, Like I say,
I'm one of them, and I have been well my
whole life. I'm not sure what Prince Andrew wanted to
be when he grew up, but probably not this.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
He've got possibly the victims speaking up. We've got Chris
talking about him being in handcuffs, So I mean, you know,
I'm part of I suppose a mixture of pressures. I mean,
I think he was pretty finished beforehand.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Loney was bang on material lawyers had taken out of
his book and now coming to light. If the Royal
family wants to protect the good work of the working royals,
they must stop protecting Prince Andrew. Loney hopes that this
isn't the end of it, though, and that we will
see things like the creation of the Royal Register of
Royal Interests more parliamentary scrutiny. In a parliamentary inquiry into
(07:57):
Prince Andrew's time as a Special Trade Envoy twenty years ago,
MPs were calling for the National Crime Agency to look
at his activities as Trade Envoy, and they should be
looking at them again, he told me so. The myth
that Prince Andrew is an asset to the Royal family
has finally been broken. I think well and truly. But
is it a case of too little, too late? Prince
(08:18):
Andrew may be tucked away to live a quiet life now,
but the consequences of his actions aren't going anywhere. This
story is far from over.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think I think we're done, aren't we? With those
strange people? Should we move on and stop giving them
any attention at all? That'd be my selling my preference
news talk. Has it been on a match? Brida note? So,
Paul Cole another big squash tournament under his belt last
(08:50):
weekend as he heads into the US Squash Open or
whatever it's called. I've always thought they didn't play squash
in the US. I've always thought it was racketball, although
somebody once told me that are two different things. I'm
sure they're completely different.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Congratulations mate, How significan and pleasing a victory was that
for you?
Speaker 9 (09:12):
Yeah, chairs mate, it was a very rewarding victory. I
felt like I started the season in pretty good shape,
and I felt like I've been playing well for quite
a few months now, but it was just sort of
piecing it together in tournament play and getting those performances
that requires back to back to beat you know, a
few top guys in a road to win those those
(09:33):
big events. So I've actually, like I said, been confident
my game for a while. So yeah, just happy I
managed to turn up and deliver a performance that I
was proud of and you know, managed to walk away
the title. So yeah, it was very rewarding when that one.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Thinks, how do you manage yourself across a tournament? Because
it's not out of course they've got to win every game,
but do you have to leave some gas in the
tank for the big games at the at the business
end of the tournament?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
I think definitely. What I've sort of learned is not
to get too wrapped up of my first couple of
rounds is not you know, not exactly how I wanted
to play or there's a few things I could work on.
You know, sometimes that would knock my confidence a bit
back in the day, but you know, just not to Obviously,
you can need to peek back in the tournaments when
(10:21):
you want to win these. So if you're not one
hundred percent in the early rounds, but you're getting a
job done and you're getting the win, then yeah, I've
sort of learned not to get too caught up in that. Obviously,
analyze that work, you know, think of things that I
can get better, but not let it affect my confidence
too much, because yeah, to operate, you know, five matches
(10:41):
to one hundred percent's going to be tough. So yeah,
it's about trying to get the best out of you
in those finals times, which you know, I feel like
I've I've got a bit better at doing in my
older years. But yeah, it's definitely something that I mean,
you could definitely play well all four rounds, but it's
more than if you're doing that. It's not not panic
stations or you know, anything to worry about too much.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I love it when I'm thirty three year old to
talk about their older years. In the older years, yet
I am a glean hat Monday morning. Sometimes I feel
a bit older on a Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We know about you.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'll see you back here again tomorrow. I'll see how
old I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Man, News Talking, Talking has it been for? More from
News Talk st B. Listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts. Now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said you talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So reader for Beanies, and welcome to the Being the
week in edition. First use today's news I ain't Glen
harton We're looking back at Sunday and Saturday through a
lot of weekends happen and today with these changes that
the government's been making for the benefit you know, whether
you can get it or not when you first leave
score all that sort of stuff. We'll get into that.
(00:46):
Prince Andrew is looking dodgier than ever. Nothing dodgy about
poor Cole. He is perhaps in the best form of
his squash career. But first out this Pike River movie.
What did Jack Tame make of that?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I watched Pike River the film this week. I found
it very affecting. It's interesting to note that director Rob
Saki's also directed Out of the Blue, the film about Adamauana.
He waited sixteen years after the massacre to make and
release that film, and he's waited almost as long for
Pike River. He's really got a knack for sensitively telling
(01:25):
some of the most painful but important modern New Zealand stories.
But there's a big and obvious difference between Out of
the Blue and Pike River. The Pike River story still
isn't over. Police and the Crown Solicitor are still deciding
whether to lay criminal charges after all of those days,
(01:48):
waiting to see if their boys might have somehow survived
all of those weeks and then months and then years,
to see if the mind could be re entered, if
they could recover the remains of their loved ones. The
families of the Pike twenty nine are still waiting. The
media left town in a way, the world moved on
(02:09):
around them. But you get the sense after fifteen years,
the little part of Graymouth is still hollowed out, kind
of like I experienced on that afternoon, still waiting for justice.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, so it sounds like that's not really a light
sort of feel good watch. You'll need to be in
the right mood before you'd rush out to that one
news talk ze been anyway. Later on in his show,
Jack had a chat with a couple of the Pike
(02:46):
River widows, who are actually played by some quite famous
people in the movie, and that must have felt weird.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I can imagine from your perspective. Given everything you've experienced
over the last fifteen years, a lot of people in
your shoes would find it hard to trust people, and
you have to go to someone like Rob and put
an readable amount of trust in him to tell your story.
How did you feel about this on you.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, I kind of feel like he's the sort of
person that when you meet him, I trust my instinct
most of the time, and I just felt I just
felt safe with him, and Fiona too. And you can
tell when somebody is interested in what you're saying. And
(03:34):
we've had plenty of people that, you know, give us
lip service but aren't actually listening. But he was listening,
and he asked a lot of questions, and he spent
a lot of time with us. And one of the
big frustrations for Anna and I was that nobody wanted
to listen. Everyone had pike fatigue. They were sick of it,
and they didn't want to listen to what we had
(03:55):
to say because it went against the grain. And you know,
as he was, we know that, you know, we're pretty
we are pretty conservative people, you know, most of the time,
and so we don't like to rock the boat. And
we were rocking the boat, and you know, people got
annoyed by that. So to have somebody like Rob and
(04:19):
Fiona just wanting us to spill everything that we were
feeling and thinking, it was so liberating because we felt
like finally we were taking control, you know, because for
years we just had to sit there and be told
what we were being told, and we knew that it
(04:42):
wasn't right, but there was nothing we could do about it.
We were told to be, to be and to be
dignified because otherwise the government might, you know, walk away.
And I actually believe that in the beginning, and then
I thought later on, you know, that's just rubbish.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well, I hope they have found this process cathartic in
some way where I learned from my costing. He loves
to use that word. Have a listen out next time
he's doing a long form interview with somebody and see
if he asked the question, did you find the whole
process cathartic? If he does, you have to drink at
(05:23):
that point you talk, right. So not everybody is a
fan of these changes the governments has to be making
to the lost jobs. He could benefit, particularly, I thank
the Greens are a bit concerned that some people won't
be getting it, who perhaps should be.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
What don't you like about the changes that are coming in?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Well, first of all, the Minister has straight up lied
when she calls them financial non financial thinks when people
are subjected to these so called non financial sanctions, they
cannot exist things like hardship assistance, a lifeline that many
beneficiaries rely on to be able to cover their basics
for food, rent and their belts. And at a time
where we've got around four beneficiaries parent job add it
(06:11):
just makes no sense to punish beneficiaries or any economic
crisis that they're didn't create.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
What about I mean, what's fundamentally wrong?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Do you think about requiring people on the job seek
a benefit to actually actively look for work.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Because they're already doing it. As you may have seen,
there are reports of showing that we've had job ads
that have had hundreds of applicants each and so if
Work and Income wants to do a better job at
connecting beneficiaries with jobs, they could simply create more tailored
workshops where people are actually connected to jobs that match
their skills and aspirations, as opposed to pretend that there
(06:47):
are enough jobs for beneficiaries up there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
What about the people who don't have any skills or aspirations?
I think I fall squeally into that department. I mean,
I'm lucky that nobody realizes that I'm not really doing
anything here and they keep paying me. But yeah, not
everybody so lucky. Some people just don't want to work,
and they've got no inspiration to either. I don't know
(07:11):
what you do with those sorts of people, Like I say,
I'm one of them, and I have been well my
whole life. I'm not sure what Prince Andrew wanted to
be when he grew up, but probably not this.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
He've got possibly the victims speaking up. We've got Chris
talking about him being in handcuffs, So I mean, you know,
I'm part of I suppose a mixture of pressures. I mean,
I think he was pretty finished beforehand.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Loney was bang on material lawyers had taken out of
his book and now coming to light. If the Royal
family wants to protect the good work of the working royals,
they must stop protecting Prince Andrew. Loney hopes that this
isn't the end of it, though, and that we will
see things like the creation of the Royal Register of
Royal Interests more parliamentary scrutiny. In a parliamentary inquiry into
(07:57):
Prince Andrew's time as a Special Trade Envoy twenty years ago,
MPs were calling for the National Crime Agency to look
at his activities as Trade Envoy, and they should be
looking at them again, he told me so. The myth
that Prince Andrew is an asset to the Royal family
has finally been broken. I think well and truly. But
is it a case of too little, too late? Prince
(08:18):
Andrew may be tucked away to live a quiet life now,
but the consequences of his actions aren't going anywhere. This
story is far from over.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think I think we're done, aren't we? With those
strange people? Should we move on and stop giving them
any attention at all? That'd be my selling my preference
news talk. Has it been on a match? Brida note? So,
Paul Cole another big squash tournament under his belt last
(08:50):
weekend as he heads into the US Squash Open or
whatever it's called. I've always thought they didn't play squash
in the US. I've always thought it was racketball, although
somebody once told me that are two different things. I'm
sure they're completely different.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Congratulations mate, How significan and pleasing a victory was that
for you?
Speaker 9 (09:12):
Yeah, chairs mate, it was a very rewarding victory. I
felt like I started the season in pretty good shape,
and I felt like I've been playing well for quite
a few months now, but it was just sort of
piecing it together in tournament play and getting those performances
that requires back to back to beat you know, a
few top guys in a road to win those those
(09:33):
big events. So I've actually, like I said, been confident
my game for a while. So yeah, just happy I
managed to turn up and deliver a performance that I
was proud of and you know, managed to walk away
the title. So yeah, it was very rewarding when that one.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Thinks, how do you manage yourself across a tournament? Because
it's not out of course they've got to win every game,
but do you have to leave some gas in the
tank for the big games at the at the business
end of the tournament?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
I think definitely. What I've sort of learned is not
to get too wrapped up of my first couple of
rounds is not you know, not exactly how I wanted
to play or there's a few things I could work on.
You know, sometimes that would knock my confidence a bit
back in the day, but you know, just not to Obviously,
you can need to peek back in the tournaments when
(10:21):
you want to win these. So if you're not one
hundred percent in the early rounds, but you're getting a
job done and you're getting the win, then yeah, I've
sort of learned not to get too caught up in that. Obviously,
analyze that work, you know, think of things that I
can get better, but not let it affect my confidence
too much, because yeah, to operate, you know, five matches
(10:41):
to one hundred percent's going to be tough. So yeah,
it's about trying to get the best out of you
in those finals times, which you know, I feel like
I've I've got a bit better at doing in my
older years. But yeah, it's definitely something that I mean,
you could definitely play well all four rounds, but it's
more than if you're doing that. It's not not panic
stations or you know, anything to worry about too much.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I love it when I'm thirty three year old to
talk about their older years. In the older years, yet
I am a glean hat Monday morning. Sometimes I feel
a bit older on a Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We know about you.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'll see you back here again tomorrow. I'll see how
old I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Man, News Talking, Talking has it been for? More from
News Talk st B. Listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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