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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Used Talk sied be you Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday. It should police be enforcing
the law. That's a good question for you, isn't it?
Driver licenses? Apparently we're not doing a good enough job
(00:43):
training young drivers because they're dying on the road. Still,
the whole bed text debate is back again, and is
it okay to send you fifteen year old on a
rail tour or of Europe? Before any of that, the
Treaty Principal's Bill, which doesn't actually exist yet. Everybody hates
(01:06):
it though, even though it isn't a thing yet.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Have you listened to what he said on the news
last night.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, I think it as a disrespectful and anti democratic
to tell people that, no matter what they think, you're
not open to changing your mind.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Is this the issue you want to dine and ditch over.
Let's face that the Treaty Principle's Bill is dead in
the water anyway. A couple of reasons for that. Number one,
and most importantly, your coalition partners have said, nah, we
don't want to support it past the first reading. And
even if they agreed to it, the debate and the
media attention would surely from a political perspective, purely political perspective,
(01:43):
would drown out the next two years of potentially good
headlines about economic growth and all the stuff the government,
the other stuff the government's trying to do. And even if,
as you say, it's a principled thing to do it
for democracy, to have the debate, etc. The next government
will just undo it anyway, won't they. Whoever, and whenever
that government might be, the more oxygen you give this,
(02:06):
the sooner that day might arrive. In reality, I don't
think David Seymour is a stupid man or a stupid politician.
He's not, and he knows this is going nowhere. It's
probably more about positioning for a plank to balance a
campaign on in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I don't care, but I do feel a bit sorry
for David Seymour. He keeps trying to wanted just to
have conversations about things, and gets shouted down at every opportunity.
It's like the whole school lunch thing. Remember that that
was a big thing of his, and anybody was saying, oh no,
he's taken away frobody's school lunches. The kids would be
starving in the streets, and then of course they went away,
(02:45):
and then they came back. So instead of a keen
war salad, you got head and vegetable cutry. I mean,
what was that? What was all that drama about? You know,
this might just easily be the same thing. Oh no, no,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Talk about it.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh way, I'm asking hard questions.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
David us talk has it been anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We've got some questions being asked about whether police should
or shouldn't enforce rules about bathing and smoking in cars
with your kids, because I think we all agreed that
it was a good idea that you shouldn't do it.
But if it's not the police's job to hand out
a ticket, then whose job is it.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Frankly, the way that I see it is, if parents
are that dumb that they're hot boxing a car with
tobacco while their kids are inside, then they're not just
doing that in the car, they're doing that at home
as well, and so having the cops come around and
give them a crack for doing it in the car
might might make the rest of us feel good about
it as we're sitting there being judgmental, and it would
it would make me feel fantastic to see somebody that
(03:48):
don't get paid for it. But it's not going to
save the kids because it's still going to be going
on at home. So it's an utterly pointless exercise. It
was always a dumb law, wasn't it, because it was
always going to take up a huge amount of resource
when you think about it. Cops driving down the road
on his way to I don't know, do some actual
cop work pass goes a car full of kids and
the mum is smoking, and now has he got to do.
(04:08):
He's got to chase the car down and then deal
with it, and hear the excuse is an issue the
fine and that's how long is that going to take?
What a waste of time, time that could have been
spent preventing a crime from happening. And actually, while we're
on the subject, I think Mark Mitchell I hardly ever
think he does something wrong, but I actually think he's
done the wrong thing, and here stepping in and forcing
the cops to start enforcing this. He knows that the
(04:29):
cops are already stretched. Here is a cop himself. He
has just made that worse.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
See, yeah it was. It actually doesn't have to be
surprisingly polarizing this issue, in am of the view that
is just part of your job to enforce the law.
And just because some laws don't seem as important as
other laws, then change the laws by all means. But yeah,
(04:56):
you can't just trick and choose. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You get into a.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Dangerous area then Ques talk sip. It's always still here
in my mind that I was temporarily related to a
guy who was a cop, and he said that the
best part about being the cop was the car chasers.
And I often think about that when I hear cops
moaning about priorities and resources and things like that. Maybe
(05:26):
spend a little bit of time jumping into your car
for a car chase and a little bit more time
just stopping kids getting lung cancer. I don't know, just
an idea. Move On's move on, moving on? Right here
we go, moving on to speaking of kids. Oh it
slightly older kids this time, the ones who are old
(05:48):
enough to get their license. Apparently Australians do is so
much better at this than us because their kids aren't
dying on the roads at the same rate that ours are.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
And finally, tougher penalties for traffic offenses. The idea here
that would be that novice drivers start off with a
lower three sholder demerit points and their offenses stay on
their record for a longer period of time. The aim
of this would be to serve as a time terrant
against risky behaviors. While it has definitely made life easier
for us that our son got his learner license at
(06:18):
sixteen and his restricted six months later, actually all I
want is for my child to get home safely. If
we can reduce these statistics by making changes to the
licensing system, give young drivers the opportunity to gain more
experience and knowledge, then why wouldn't you? Of course, it
(06:39):
has to be the right experience and the right knowledge,
But seriously, why wouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
This is one of those stories where I'm a bit
confused about because I thought some of these things we
were already doing. I thought that, for example, a learner
license already was twelve months and you could only reduce
it by doing the proper extra tests. I thought that
(07:06):
there was a no alcohol or extra ordinarily low alcohol
limit for learner and restricted drivers. I just feel like,
I mean, I guess you can't argue with the statistics,
can you? But I mean I did a defensive driving course,
for example, once, and I consider myself to be perhaps
(07:31):
the worst driver. I know that it doesn't fix everything. Okay,
So Simon and James yesterday afternoon. I think Simon's proposing
an unusual reason for having a bed tax or a
tourist tax, so councils charge us less rates. It seems
(07:53):
like a long bow.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
What about if we were able to introduce a bed tax,
you know, basically a tourism levy, and that would help
offset some of the costs for rate pass. You'd make
it up through these tourists. And then Simeon Brown says, well,
that's not what the laws is, so you can't do that.
But the government saying, cut your own cloth before we
help you out, that's all and.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Welld Simeon, you can change the law exactly as you are.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Should the law be changed so councils can impose local
councils your own one can impose a bed text. I'll
be all for it. It's five bucks extra a night. Yeah,
whoop you yeah, Jacob, Hello there.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
I think it's very naive of councils to want to
introduce a bed tax when hospitality in general in New
Zealand is struggling more than it has done and well
for as long as I can remember.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I don't think you want to make it harder
for tourists to come here? Do you want to make
it easier? And then everybody makes more money off the tourists.
And you know, surely if tourists come here and spend
all their money, then we'll all be better off. We
can pay higher rates and taxes and things if we
need to, but we might not need to because the
(09:00):
tourists might be sort of contributing their part as well.
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (09:03):
Or have I got that wrong?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Probably got that wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Used talk it be.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Let's finish up with asking that cleosant question is how
young is too young to send your kid off on
a rail tour of Europe by themselves.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
She's left her fifteen year old son go on a
three week rail holiday around Europe, and I think good
on you, But a lot of people have been quick
to condemn and say fifteen is far too young to
be railing around Europe. Well, I think it's extremely good story.
(09:44):
Her tweets said, my little boys returned from three weeks
into railing. He'll be sixteen on Wednesday, So we went
with a major's ary sixteen due to hostile travel restrictions,
but they organized the whole thing Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Berlin, Munich, Marseille,
to lou Barcelona and Madrid to me peerent.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And what did you do at fifteen that you look
back now and think, jeeps, creepers. I can't believe I
did deb but some of you probably went to war
at fifteen?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So many questions? As usual? I mean, I mean the
kid that talking about is apparently the kid of one
of the hosts. Location, location, Location, so you know who cares.
But also I mean I've spent my entire life trying
to get my kids to go away from me at
the earliest opportunity. So if they'd ask me, is it
(10:32):
all right for me to go on a rail tour
of Europe? I would have said absolutely, Take Take, take
all the time you need, and you wonder why there's
a falling birthrate in New Zealand. I am Glen Heart.
That has been used as they been. I'll be back
here with more random opinions like that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
See then news Talk has talks it been.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
For more from news Talk said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk sied be you Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday. It should police be enforcing
the law. That's a good question for you, isn't it?
Driver licenses? Apparently we're not doing a good enough job
(00:43):
training young drivers because they're dying on the road. Still,
the whole bed text debate is back again, and is
it okay to send you fifteen year old on a
rail tour or of Europe? Before any of that, the
Treaty Principal's Bill, which doesn't actually exist yet. Everybody hates
(01:06):
it though, even though it isn't a thing yet.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Have you listened to what he said on the news
last night.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, I think it as a disrespectful and anti democratic
to tell people that, no matter what they think, you're
not open to changing your mind.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Is this the issue you want to dine and ditch over.
Let's face that the Treaty Principle's Bill is dead in
the water anyway. A couple of reasons for that. Number one,
and most importantly, your coalition partners have said, nah, we
don't want to support it past the first reading. And
even if they agreed to it, the debate and the
media attention would surely from a political perspective, purely political perspective,
(01:43):
would drown out the next two years of potentially good
headlines about economic growth and all the stuff the government,
the other stuff the government's trying to do. And even if,
as you say, it's a principled thing to do it
for democracy, to have the debate, etc. The next government
will just undo it anyway, won't they. Whoever, and whenever
that government might be, the more oxygen you give this,
(02:06):
the sooner that day might arrive. In reality, I don't
think David Seymour is a stupid man or a stupid politician.
He's not, and he knows this is going nowhere. It's
probably more about positioning for a plank to balance a
campaign on in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I don't care, but I do feel a bit sorry
for David Seymour. He keeps trying to wanted just to
have conversations about things, and gets shouted down at every opportunity.
It's like the whole school lunch thing. Remember that that
was a big thing of his, and anybody was saying, oh no,
he's taken away frobody's school lunches. The kids would be
starving in the streets, and then of course they went away,
(02:45):
and then they came back. So instead of a keen
war salad, you got head and vegetable cutry. I mean,
what was that? What was all that drama about? You know,
this might just easily be the same thing. Oh no, no,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Talk about it.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh way, I'm asking hard questions.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
David us talk has it been anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We've got some questions being asked about whether police should
or shouldn't enforce rules about bathing and smoking in cars
with your kids, because I think we all agreed that
it was a good idea that you shouldn't do it.
But if it's not the police's job to hand out
a ticket, then whose job is it.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Frankly, the way that I see it is, if parents
are that dumb that they're hot boxing a car with
tobacco while their kids are inside, then they're not just
doing that in the car, they're doing that at home
as well, and so having the cops come around and
give them a crack for doing it in the car
might might make the rest of us feel good about
it as we're sitting there being judgmental, and it would
it would make me feel fantastic to see somebody that
(03:48):
don't get paid for it. But it's not going to
save the kids because it's still going to be going
on at home. So it's an utterly pointless exercise. It
was always a dumb law, wasn't it, because it was
always going to take up a huge amount of resource
when you think about it. Cops driving down the road
on his way to I don't know, do some actual
cop work pass goes a car full of kids and
the mum is smoking, and now has he got to do.
(04:08):
He's got to chase the car down and then deal
with it, and hear the excuse is an issue the
fine and that's how long is that going to take?
What a waste of time, time that could have been
spent preventing a crime from happening. And actually, while we're
on the subject, I think Mark Mitchell I hardly ever
think he does something wrong, but I actually think he's
done the wrong thing, and here stepping in and forcing
the cops to start enforcing this. He knows that the
(04:29):
cops are already stretched. Here is a cop himself. He
has just made that worse.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
See, yeah it was. It actually doesn't have to be
surprisingly polarizing this issue, in am of the view that
is just part of your job to enforce the law.
And just because some laws don't seem as important as
other laws, then change the laws by all means. But yeah,
(04:56):
you can't just trick and choose. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You get into a.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Dangerous area then Ques talk sip. It's always still here
in my mind that I was temporarily related to a
guy who was a cop, and he said that the
best part about being the cop was the car chasers.
And I often think about that when I hear cops
moaning about priorities and resources and things like that. Maybe
(05:26):
spend a little bit of time jumping into your car
for a car chase and a little bit more time
just stopping kids getting lung cancer. I don't know, just
an idea. Move On's move on, moving on? Right here
we go, moving on to speaking of kids. Oh it
slightly older kids this time, the ones who are old
(05:48):
enough to get their license. Apparently Australians do is so
much better at this than us because their kids aren't
dying on the roads at the same rate that ours are.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
And finally, tougher penalties for traffic offenses. The idea here
that would be that novice drivers start off with a
lower three sholder demerit points and their offenses stay on
their record for a longer period of time. The aim
of this would be to serve as a time terrant
against risky behaviors. While it has definitely made life easier
for us that our son got his learner license at
(06:18):
sixteen and his restricted six months later, actually all I
want is for my child to get home safely. If
we can reduce these statistics by making changes to the
licensing system, give young drivers the opportunity to gain more
experience and knowledge, then why wouldn't you? Of course, it
(06:39):
has to be the right experience and the right knowledge,
But seriously, why wouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
This is one of those stories where I'm a bit
confused about because I thought some of these things we
were already doing. I thought that, for example, a learner
license already was twelve months and you could only reduce
it by doing the proper extra tests. I thought that
(07:06):
there was a no alcohol or extra ordinarily low alcohol
limit for learner and restricted drivers. I just feel like,
I mean, I guess you can't argue with the statistics,
can you? But I mean I did a defensive driving course,
for example, once, and I consider myself to be perhaps
(07:31):
the worst driver. I know that it doesn't fix everything. Okay,
So Simon and James yesterday afternoon. I think Simon's proposing
an unusual reason for having a bed tax or a
tourist tax, so councils charge us less rates. It seems
(07:53):
like a long bow.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
What about if we were able to introduce a bed tax,
you know, basically a tourism levy, and that would help
offset some of the costs for rate pass. You'd make
it up through these tourists. And then Simeon Brown says, well,
that's not what the laws is, so you can't do that.
But the government saying, cut your own cloth before we
help you out, that's all and.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Welld Simeon, you can change the law exactly as you are.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Should the law be changed so councils can impose local
councils your own one can impose a bed text. I'll
be all for it. It's five bucks extra a night. Yeah,
whoop you yeah, Jacob, Hello there.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
I think it's very naive of councils to want to
introduce a bed tax when hospitality in general in New
Zealand is struggling more than it has done and well
for as long as I can remember.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I don't think you want to make it harder
for tourists to come here? Do you want to make
it easier? And then everybody makes more money off the tourists.
And you know, surely if tourists come here and spend
all their money, then we'll all be better off. We
can pay higher rates and taxes and things if we
need to, but we might not need to because the
(09:00):
tourists might be sort of contributing their part as well.
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (09:03):
Or have I got that wrong?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Probably got that wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Used talk it be.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Let's finish up with asking that cleosant question is how
young is too young to send your kid off on
a rail tour of Europe by themselves.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
She's left her fifteen year old son go on a
three week rail holiday around Europe, and I think good
on you, But a lot of people have been quick
to condemn and say fifteen is far too young to
be railing around Europe. Well, I think it's extremely good story.
(09:44):
Her tweets said, my little boys returned from three weeks
into railing. He'll be sixteen on Wednesday, So we went
with a major's ary sixteen due to hostile travel restrictions,
but they organized the whole thing Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Berlin, Munich, Marseille,
to lou Barcelona and Madrid to me peerent.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And what did you do at fifteen that you look
back now and think, jeeps, creepers. I can't believe I
did deb but some of you probably went to war
at fifteen?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So many questions? As usual? I mean, I mean the
kid that talking about is apparently the kid of one
of the hosts. Location, location, Location, so you know who cares.
But also I mean I've spent my entire life trying
to get my kids to go away from me at
the earliest opportunity. So if they'd ask me, is it
(10:32):
all right for me to go on a rail tour
of Europe? I would have said absolutely, Take Take, take
all the time you need, and you wonder why there's
a falling birthrate in New Zealand. I am Glen Heart.
That has been used as they been. I'll be back
here with more random opinions like that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
See then news Talk has talks it been.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
For more from news Talk said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
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