March 9, 2025 • 12 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
My beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean The Weekend
Edition first with yesterday's news. I'm Glen Hart, and I
call it the weeking Edition because it's the stuff that
happened over the weekend, even though today is Monday and
it isn't the weekend anymore. But we remember that Super
Rugby has played some results would rather not remember. Dick
(00:43):
Frazelle normally makes pictures, but now he's made some words.
We have a chat with him. Mike Lee is known
as the godfather of what's he the godfather or something?
Godfather of English screen? There is I think I forget
that wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's the godfather of British cinema?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And he's got a film called Hard Truth Out and
Jack has a Guessy Baby. But before any of that,
so these health targets, is it good to have targets?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Also?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Should we have asked the actual people who are being
targeted whether they are into it?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
How do you feel about targets? Do they really do anything?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Look?
Speaker 7 (01:29):
I have seen targets work to a degree, and I
think there's always a concern with targets that they create
the verse incentives and you design your behavior and a
target and sometimes miss other targets. But look, when we
had an immunization target quite a long time ago, general
practice got very well up towards the target because of
focus on it. So yeah, there's an argument for them.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
What's the incentive? And this is just a number in
front of you. It's like having a pacemaker and a race.
Is that you've got someone running at a certain speed
in front of you and you're like, we got to
keep up with this.
Speaker 7 (01:59):
Look, there's a little bit of that. I mean, I'm
you know, sometimes incentives have a financial part of it,
so look at you know, that's that's always helpful. I
think that is an element of competition, and people don't
like being lower down in a league table a personal
pride thing, so that can sort of have some effect
as well.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
So how is it going to work? Are you going
to see is each practice going to sort of see
how it sits with others? Is it some sort of
thing where there's like a ladder that's sitting in front
of everyone and these guys are winning, these guys are losing.
Speaker 7 (02:29):
Look, actually, we have no idea how it's going to
be constructed, and we'd really like to be part of
that because we know the situation in our business better
than anybody else. I mean, you know, the Ministry of
Health has really got very few clues around the delivery
of general practice care. So the number one thing for
us is to actually, let's work together.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I think the days of working together, I think we've
we're done with that, aren't we. So it's more we
live in a more of a time of people just
sort of going off half cock and saying that they
can fix everything. I think that's what we're into now.
News talk anyway, what we needed somebody a little bit
(03:10):
less cynical the media to put a spin on this.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So Frands, she sayms nice general practitioners.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
Alturrole welcomes the funding and attention on general practice man,
they've been calling out for it for a long time,
but says more information is needed about how the money
will be spent and distributed. As always, devil is in
the detail. Will the two hundred and eighty nine million
land on the front line or will it be used
to recruit and train these oversex doctors, pay the thirty
(03:37):
million for the nurse recruitment initiative and run the digital service.
If so, then how does that help GPS take on
new patients and achieve the government's targets. As for digital healthcare,
there're already services on the market. Not sure the government
needs to invest in its own so only time will
tell if the Health Minister is on the right path.
But after only minor improvements against targets last year, new
(04:01):
Minister Brown needs to be seen to take a bigger
swing this year, even if he's borrowing someone else's.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
As being seen to be doing something the same as
actually doing something. I guess in terms of politics it
is in terms of actually, you know, getting what he
was wrong with you seeing to I don't know, talk okay,
screw screwy. Weekend of Super Rugby. When is it surprising?
(04:33):
I think it's surprising results. It's a close competition this year.
Let's just say that. And it's not really talk about
the chiefs too much. Let's talk about how well how
are the mind ting? Yes, yes, let's talk to their
first five.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
How significant a result is this for you and your
more opecificate teammates.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Yeah, bigger though, definitely sucually going into the buy, you know,
getting a win under the belt, big win, big, big
win back at home. So yeah, good, good to get
the good to get that under the belt going into
the bye week.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Did it feel like this win was coming after your
performances in the first three.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Games, Yeah, definitely, No, two of those games we could
have won easily, just ye got away from us in
the end, So definitely felt like it was coming. And yeah,
so it's good to good to put that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
One for sure. You came off the bench last weekend
against the Highlanders and nearly drove you aside to victory there.
Handed the starting first five role for the first time
last night. What was your approach to the game in
general terms and the starting team jumper.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Yeah, well, just for me, nothing really changes, to be honest,
just prepower how I normally would prep. Obviously getting the
start was it was big, but yeah, just kind of
just go about my week as I normally would any
any other game week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's one of the said when the less fancied teams
go well and Rugby's going on about how good for Ragby,
isn't it? I don't care about that. I just wanted
the Chiefs to win every week, and they didn't this week,
and so I'm a bit sad.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
News talk ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Now Jack talked to Dick Fizzelle, and Jack Frizzelle talked
about being Dick Frizzelle because he's written a book about that.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I love how you've gone about writing this. You've you've
really illustrated a kind of vivid, a vivid picture of
your childhood and I really delighted in the way you've
gone about this.
Speaker 9 (06:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But just tell us about tell us about how your
family ended up in Hastings in the first place, because
you were actually born in Auckland, right.
Speaker 9 (06:52):
I was born in Auckland, out at Mount Albert, a
little nursing home that's still there, funnily enough. But when
my father was in the Merchant Navy, an engineer in
the Merchant Navy, and the deal was that he'd come
ashore when I was born. So he came ashore and
got a job on the Dredge and the But as
I said in the book, I think the Dredge was
(07:12):
a bit of an anti climax after the convoys in
the Pacific and his sister's back in Hastings, which is
sort of the family seat if you like it sounds grand.
They they offered him, there's really cheap loan to if
you go back to Hastings, back to where all the
(07:32):
other Frazels were, And and Dad, who was a bit
strangely unambitious, thought, oh yeah, he just kind of just
did it. So we left our lovely little sunny flat
and Pickton Street and went to the dim little cottage
in the shadow of Tomato.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Which is which is I mean, you moved around a
little bit, but that's that's where you spent your childhood,
and you you kind of I mean, the boys own
is totally such a such a good description, because really,
this is a collection of adventures that you had a little.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
I didn't want to. I didn't see that to write
a memoir as such. You know. Then I did this,
and then I did that, and then I went on
here and I wrote I wrote that thing about me
writing a short story for a short story competition on
national radio. And then I couldn't submit it. I think
I got it wrong. It said if you were I
(08:31):
thought it said if you were a published author, you
couldn't submit. But I think it actually said if the
story had been published, you couldn't submit it. And I
got it wrong as usual, which is a story of
my life. My great guiding principle, just get everything wrong
and it'll be better than ever. I didn't submit it,
but it got me going, and I got me thinking
(08:51):
about how the memory works. And I just all those stories,
why don't I just write them down? Because I can write,
you know, writing. I taught myself to write with that
diet journal and things, and once I started, I just
couldn't get over the phenomena of recall, fake or otherwise,
(09:15):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It sounds like Jack's got the same sort of problem
I have. The Fiver went to write a memoir, I'm
pretty sure i'd be making most of it up, because
you know, I remember things a certain way, but they're
not necessarily the same way that everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Else would be with them.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So I'm not sure whether my autobiography would go in
the fiction or nonfiction section, and it'd go in the
boring section, that's for sure. For example, there'd be a
lot of talk about how my kids used to grow
up all the time, nothing worse than a spilly baby.
It sounds like Jack's got some of that stuff going on.
(09:54):
Welcome to father and Jack. Big mistake, mate. I did
warn you.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You can never be totally sure that he's been fully burned.
There's no finish line, as it were. There is no
alarm that goes off. It's a judgment call. And at
two fifty three am, when your body is urging you
to lie down and go back to sleep, look at him.
He seems fine. You know that if you pull the
(10:18):
trigger too early, he'll be waking himself up in twenty minutes,
twisting and groaning in his cot. When you think about it,
it's kind of crazy that newborns go from relying on
the placenta for all of their nutrients to instantly switching
on the full length of the complex human digestive tract.
(10:38):
It's not like they ease into it. Alas as our
son's milk intake has increased, his digestive tract has not
quite kept pace. Put simply, the outputs don't always match
the inputs. It's perfectly normal, of course, and he's far
too young to be hurrying up with a tray of
(10:59):
black coffee and prune juice. But sometimes his stomach feels
hard to the touch cruelly. His preferred way of soothing
his discomfort is to feed again, which then exacerbates the problem,
and at nineteen days old, he's not yet ready to
listen to reason or comprehend the concept of a vicious cycle.
(11:20):
I'm back in the office full time this week after
a wonderful little period at home, but I can tell
you already that my texts with my wife are going
to take on a grimly digestive line of inquiry. The
thing about parenting is that while you share in your
child's discomfort, you also share and they're almighty relief, especially
(11:43):
when someone else is on clean.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, I always tell people you're just up to
your elbows and bodily fluids constantly when you have a baby.
It's so gross. There's nothing there are very more living
things that are more disgusting. And you know, you go
out and you don't realize that you've got spill all
(12:06):
down the back of your outfit. Thats frequently it ruins everything.
Don't do it, That's all I'm saying. You know, I'm
like twenty one years on from when the last time
I had a baby, and I didn't have it walking
around the house with it in the middle of the night,
trying to get it to stop crying. But yeah, as
(12:31):
you can tell, still a bit bitter about it. I
don't know what I was thinking. A shake it off, Glenn,
shake it off. I'll shake it off and I'll see
it out here anyways.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Talks Talking zaid Bean. For more from news Talk said B.
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk said, Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
My beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean The Weekend
Edition first with yesterday's news. I'm Glen Hart, and I
call it the weeking Edition because it's the stuff that
happened over the weekend, even though today is Monday and
it isn't the weekend anymore. But we remember that Super
Rugby has played some results would rather not remember. Dick
(00:43):
Frazelle normally makes pictures, but now he's made some words.
We have a chat with him. Mike Lee is known
as the godfather of what's he the godfather or something?
Godfather of English screen? There is I think I forget
that wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's the godfather of British cinema?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And he's got a film called Hard Truth Out and
Jack has a Guessy Baby. But before any of that,
so these health targets, is it good to have targets?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Also?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Should we have asked the actual people who are being
targeted whether they are into it?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
How do you feel about targets? Do they really do anything?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Look?
Speaker 7 (01:29):
I have seen targets work to a degree, and I
think there's always a concern with targets that they create
the verse incentives and you design your behavior and a
target and sometimes miss other targets. But look, when we
had an immunization target quite a long time ago, general
practice got very well up towards the target because of
focus on it. So yeah, there's an argument for them.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
What's the incentive? And this is just a number in
front of you. It's like having a pacemaker and a race.
Is that you've got someone running at a certain speed
in front of you and you're like, we got to
keep up with this.
Speaker 7 (01:59):
Look, there's a little bit of that. I mean, I'm
you know, sometimes incentives have a financial part of it,
so look at you know, that's that's always helpful. I
think that is an element of competition, and people don't
like being lower down in a league table a personal
pride thing, so that can sort of have some effect
as well.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
So how is it going to work? Are you going
to see is each practice going to sort of see
how it sits with others? Is it some sort of
thing where there's like a ladder that's sitting in front
of everyone and these guys are winning, these guys are losing.
Speaker 7 (02:29):
Look, actually, we have no idea how it's going to
be constructed, and we'd really like to be part of
that because we know the situation in our business better
than anybody else. I mean, you know, the Ministry of
Health has really got very few clues around the delivery
of general practice care. So the number one thing for
us is to actually, let's work together.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I think the days of working together, I think we've
we're done with that, aren't we. So it's more we
live in a more of a time of people just
sort of going off half cock and saying that they
can fix everything. I think that's what we're into now.
News talk anyway, what we needed somebody a little bit
(03:10):
less cynical the media to put a spin on this.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So Frands, she sayms nice general practitioners.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
Alturrole welcomes the funding and attention on general practice man,
they've been calling out for it for a long time,
but says more information is needed about how the money
will be spent and distributed. As always, devil is in
the detail. Will the two hundred and eighty nine million
land on the front line or will it be used
to recruit and train these oversex doctors, pay the thirty
(03:37):
million for the nurse recruitment initiative and run the digital service.
If so, then how does that help GPS take on
new patients and achieve the government's targets. As for digital healthcare,
there're already services on the market. Not sure the government
needs to invest in its own so only time will
tell if the Health Minister is on the right path.
But after only minor improvements against targets last year, new
(04:01):
Minister Brown needs to be seen to take a bigger
swing this year, even if he's borrowing someone else's.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
As being seen to be doing something the same as
actually doing something. I guess in terms of politics it
is in terms of actually, you know, getting what he
was wrong with you seeing to I don't know, talk okay,
screw screwy. Weekend of Super Rugby. When is it surprising?
(04:33):
I think it's surprising results. It's a close competition this year.
Let's just say that. And it's not really talk about
the chiefs too much. Let's talk about how well how
are the mind ting? Yes, yes, let's talk to their
first five.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
How significant a result is this for you and your
more opecificate teammates.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Yeah, bigger though, definitely sucually going into the buy, you know,
getting a win under the belt, big win, big, big
win back at home. So yeah, good, good to get
the good to get that under the belt going into
the bye week.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Did it feel like this win was coming after your
performances in the first three.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Games, Yeah, definitely, No, two of those games we could
have won easily, just ye got away from us in
the end, So definitely felt like it was coming. And yeah,
so it's good to good to put that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
One for sure. You came off the bench last weekend
against the Highlanders and nearly drove you aside to victory there.
Handed the starting first five role for the first time
last night. What was your approach to the game in
general terms and the starting team jumper.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Yeah, well, just for me, nothing really changes, to be honest,
just prepower how I normally would prep. Obviously getting the
start was it was big, but yeah, just kind of
just go about my week as I normally would any
any other game week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's one of the said when the less fancied teams
go well and Rugby's going on about how good for Ragby,
isn't it? I don't care about that. I just wanted
the Chiefs to win every week, and they didn't this week,
and so I'm a bit sad.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
News talk ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Now Jack talked to Dick Fizzelle, and Jack Frizzelle talked
about being Dick Frizzelle because he's written a book about that.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I love how you've gone about writing this. You've you've
really illustrated a kind of vivid, a vivid picture of
your childhood and I really delighted in the way you've
gone about this.
Speaker 9 (06:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But just tell us about tell us about how your
family ended up in Hastings in the first place, because
you were actually born in Auckland, right.
Speaker 9 (06:52):
I was born in Auckland, out at Mount Albert, a
little nursing home that's still there, funnily enough. But when
my father was in the Merchant Navy, an engineer in
the Merchant Navy, and the deal was that he'd come
ashore when I was born. So he came ashore and
got a job on the Dredge and the But as
I said in the book, I think the Dredge was
(07:12):
a bit of an anti climax after the convoys in
the Pacific and his sister's back in Hastings, which is
sort of the family seat if you like it sounds grand.
They they offered him, there's really cheap loan to if
you go back to Hastings, back to where all the
(07:32):
other Frazels were, And and Dad, who was a bit
strangely unambitious, thought, oh yeah, he just kind of just
did it. So we left our lovely little sunny flat
and Pickton Street and went to the dim little cottage
in the shadow of Tomato.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Which is which is I mean, you moved around a
little bit, but that's that's where you spent your childhood,
and you you kind of I mean, the boys own
is totally such a such a good description, because really,
this is a collection of adventures that you had a little.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
I didn't want to. I didn't see that to write
a memoir as such. You know. Then I did this,
and then I did that, and then I went on
here and I wrote I wrote that thing about me
writing a short story for a short story competition on
national radio. And then I couldn't submit it. I think
I got it wrong. It said if you were I
(08:31):
thought it said if you were a published author, you
couldn't submit. But I think it actually said if the
story had been published, you couldn't submit it. And I
got it wrong as usual, which is a story of
my life. My great guiding principle, just get everything wrong
and it'll be better than ever. I didn't submit it,
but it got me going, and I got me thinking
(08:51):
about how the memory works. And I just all those stories,
why don't I just write them down? Because I can write,
you know, writing. I taught myself to write with that
diet journal and things, and once I started, I just
couldn't get over the phenomena of recall, fake or otherwise,
(09:15):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It sounds like Jack's got the same sort of problem
I have. The Fiver went to write a memoir, I'm
pretty sure i'd be making most of it up, because
you know, I remember things a certain way, but they're
not necessarily the same way that everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Else would be with them.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So I'm not sure whether my autobiography would go in
the fiction or nonfiction section, and it'd go in the
boring section, that's for sure. For example, there'd be a
lot of talk about how my kids used to grow
up all the time, nothing worse than a spilly baby.
It sounds like Jack's got some of that stuff going on.
(09:54):
Welcome to father and Jack. Big mistake, mate. I did
warn you.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You can never be totally sure that he's been fully burned.
There's no finish line, as it were. There is no
alarm that goes off. It's a judgment call. And at
two fifty three am, when your body is urging you
to lie down and go back to sleep, look at him.
He seems fine. You know that if you pull the
(10:18):
trigger too early, he'll be waking himself up in twenty minutes,
twisting and groaning in his cot. When you think about it,
it's kind of crazy that newborns go from relying on
the placenta for all of their nutrients to instantly switching
on the full length of the complex human digestive tract.
(10:38):
It's not like they ease into it. Alas as our
son's milk intake has increased, his digestive tract has not
quite kept pace. Put simply, the outputs don't always match
the inputs. It's perfectly normal, of course, and he's far
too young to be hurrying up with a tray of
(10:59):
black coffee and prune juice. But sometimes his stomach feels
hard to the touch cruelly. His preferred way of soothing
his discomfort is to feed again, which then exacerbates the problem,
and at nineteen days old, he's not yet ready to
listen to reason or comprehend the concept of a vicious cycle.
(11:20):
I'm back in the office full time this week after
a wonderful little period at home, but I can tell
you already that my texts with my wife are going
to take on a grimly digestive line of inquiry. The
thing about parenting is that while you share in your
child's discomfort, you also share and they're almighty relief, especially
(11:43):
when someone else is on clean.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, I always tell people you're just up to
your elbows and bodily fluids constantly when you have a baby.
It's so gross. There's nothing there are very more living
things that are more disgusting. And you know, you go
out and you don't realize that you've got spill all
(12:06):
down the back of your outfit. Thats frequently it ruins everything.
Don't do it, That's all I'm saying. You know, I'm
like twenty one years on from when the last time
I had a baby, and I didn't have it walking
around the house with it in the middle of the night,
trying to get it to stop crying. But yeah, as
(12:31):
you can tell, still a bit bitter about it. I
don't know what I was thinking. A shake it off, Glenn,
shake it off. I'll shake it off and I'll see
it out here anyways.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Talks Talking zaid Bean. For more from news Talk said B.
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