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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
How did it get to be Thursday already? I am
Glen Hart, and we are looking back at Wednesday. And
Chris Hopkins is really annoying. News Talks you be hosts
and listeners were apparently where we haven't got enough retail space,
(00:50):
can you believe it? And Marcus has a few thoughts
about bubble Tea. But before any of that, when Peter's
got a hecklled the other day, this is a sort
of a this is bubbling along this thing, this issue.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
This guy was wearing a work lanyard. It clearly identified
him as a staffer. I had after mentioning it on
the show yesterday, I had his name and photo land
in my inbox at four forty one, that is yesterday afternoon, obviously,
which is to say, the reason I'm telling you this
is that people it didn't take people very long to
figure out who he was and who he works for.
(01:25):
And if Tonkin and Taylor had said nothing rightly or wrongly,
there would be people who would assume that they were
fine with his behavior, or perhaps even that they shared
his views. So it was actually a reputational risk for
them to remain quiet, and they were right to publicly
distance themselves from him, and an apology to Winston seems
like a perfect, perfectly reasonable way of publicly distancing themselves
(01:46):
from him. I think it is also perfectly reasonable for
them to call old mate Bollocks into the office and
remind him not to embarrass them when he's wearing a
work lanyard. I think that also seems like a fair
thing to do. But I think that is where it
needs to end. I mean, the Free Speech Union raise
some very decent points. He should not be punished or
fired for what he did. He is entitled to his views.
(02:08):
He's entitled to make a complete dick of himself in
his own time if he wants to, which obviously he
did want to do. His free speech on this matter
should be defended, but so should the free speech of
the chief executive who didn't like what she saw and
wanted to say she was sorry on behalf of her company.
Free speech cuts both ways.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
My major issue with this was that I was disappointed
that Winson didn't have any cleverer retorts than naff Off,
and you look like bollocks. I thought that was a
bit I thought he could have come up with something
a little bit quicker than that. But apparently not news talk.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Been my dear.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I wasn't there, of course, however this woman was.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
You know, we're in a public place and you know,
the abuse this guy was giving Munstone was just so
uncalled for, Like he wasn't there, He wasn't there listening
to it all from the beginning. He just basically came
off the train.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So do you think do you think he just arrived, Wendy.
I was sort of speculating on this before. Did he
come down to see Winston or was he just cruising
past and good annoyed?
Speaker 6 (03:10):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I believe he came off a train right and he
saw he saw him, and then he just just basically
pushed his way into where the media and stuff were
and then just started having got.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He got so he got so triggered, He got so
triggered that he couldn't help himself even though he is
landed on He just got needed to need to yell
some ageous abuse at a man. Yeah, it must have
been a bit of a red a red miss situation, Whindy,
by the sound of it, that he just completely lost
his mind.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Maybe he never had it in the first place.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, well I don't know. And it was just like
it just came from nowhere, and Okay, Winston, you know,
gave back, you know, exactly what the guy was giving them.
But yeah, the guy knew that, you know, this was
not going anywhere and didn't stop, but just carried on
and made a total twetter.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Did you think do you think Winston won? Do you
think Winston won the exchange?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, And it was just like, you know, the abuse
and stuff. It's like I just thought, you know, like
because the kids with and I just thought, you know,
it's a public place, and.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's interesting because, Wendy, because we've got this text here
that says, I'm a member of the Free Speech Union.
I disagree with them on this issue. It's abuse, nothing less.
If say a policeman or a nurse and uniform dished
out this mindus abuse, what would we think do deserves
to be fired? So do you think that in terms
of a free speech issue, Wendy, that people should be
(04:35):
allowed to yell things out. You take umbrage with the
words he was using and the abuse.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
He was given.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So if he had turned up Wendy and just sort
of yelled some political points he disagreed with in a
reasoned manner, you wouldn't have had a problem.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
No, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Is this a This is a sticks and stones issue
at the end of the day, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Like I say?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I guess I just thought Winston had a thicker skin.
This guy really got under it. But he probably was
out alone.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Let's be honest us talk said.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's Chris Hopkins.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
How out of.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Line is eving?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm the p Religious Committee and everything else.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
He refused to commit to the debt ceiling of fifty
percent of GDP. It's the sacred threshold that Treasury warns
we just shouldn't cross. It's the same threshold even Grant
Robertson said we shouldn't cross the same threshold, even barbed
from accounts said we shouldn't cross a day earlier. So
now national can run around till the elections screaming debt
(05:39):
monster till they're blue in the face, and they won't
be wrong until he commits. Otherwise, Strike one of course,
came courtesy of the Greens last week the Mad Hatter
Alternative budget, the plan so toxic it had killed growth,
like round up on your weeds. Chippy first said he
hadn't read it, which no one believed. Then he said
(06:00):
he'd read it and wouldn't rule anything out, so he
might allow some or all of the roundup to be
sprayed on our economic prosperity. Then he says some of
the stuff was bad, some of it was okay, but
still not committing to anything. Obviously, this is going to
be the high tide mark on a Green Party negotiation
position post election, and most of it will never see
(06:22):
the light of day and actually happen. And the same
way the Privileges Committee thing is not that big of
a deal to most voters and doesn't reflect their crime
and justice policies. But if politics is about perception and
perception is reality, it's three own goals in a week,
(06:43):
three strikes for Chippy?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Wait wait, wait, are we doing are we doing goals?
Are we doing strikes? You can't. You can't have baseball
and football in the same metaphor, can you. I'm so confused.
I'm also confused by this odd story yesterday about the
(07:07):
retail space. Apparently we haven't got enough people just love
bricks and mortar shopping, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
We you've got people who have been in business for years,
who know their business, who know that there is online
so they upgrade their websites, they get with the program.
I'm just thinking because I was in total Or on Friday.
There's a store called Wendy's there that's been there since
nineteen eighty four and it's still doing a roaring trade,
(07:36):
great website. It was absolutely packed, knows its customers. The
staff were incredibly helpful, and it's been there since nineteen
eighty four. It's seen off recessions, it's seen off online shopping.
You know, if you know your stuff, and you will
have stores like that up and down the country. You're
stick to your knitting, you adapt with the times. You
(07:58):
know what you're good at, you take on board what
you need to take on board to grow with your customers.
You'll be fine and you cannot beat a good in
store experience. But bloody hell, it's tough out there. So
how on earth can we fill four or five massive
(08:19):
new shopping complexes, which is what Crystal Ball was saying,
would it not be best to start with filling the
existing stores that have vacant right now and have been
vacant for far too long.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, this didn't ring true with me at all, this
claim of people preferring bricks and mortar over online. I
think the difference between our country and a lot of
other countries is that we don't have an Amazon distribution
warehouse in New Zealand. Our closest one is in Australia.
(08:54):
I know that Timu now ships from a local warehouse.
I think these trends are going to change, and they're
going to continue to change, and I think it's very
shortsighted to think that ricks and mortar retail was going
to increase over time. Anyway, news talk it right. Let's
(09:18):
finish up with the curiosity that is Bubble Tea. I
think Marcus was talking about slip and cuwey and then
closing down what's going to happen with their building?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
But then this, I don't know what will happen with
the building. It feels like it about six stories. It's
quite a big building, takes up a whole block of
be a significant building. I can't imagine what would go
in there. I can't imagine who was the rising stars
of commercial real estate that they would put in there.
What's everyone clamoring to do? I know what it will be,
probably bubble Tea. Put in the world's biggest bubble tea
(09:49):
place that seems to not be falling out of favor
with anyone, does it?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yes, So we had those yogurt places you go, those
ice cream places you do, all the different topics they
came and went. But bubble Tea, well, it seems to
work better in smaller shops. Bubble Tea. You would want
five floors of it. I know what the bubbles are.
We tried the family once Indo Need and it was
a disaster. The people we are with it, I've never
(10:15):
known anyone who has so much trouble struggle with But
I mean, I loved it, But the kids were sort
of non play. There was a bit too sophisticated for
them out from Bluff and the big city of Dunedin
experimenting with the bubble tee thing. Anyway, I think they
thought it was going to be more excited than next
you was, which is probably really much what I've always
thought about bubble Tea.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Anyway, I'm not a big fan of lumps of things
in my drinks, so yeah, I just don't get it.
But anyway, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't
be allowed to have it if you want it, but
it's one of these sort of as far as I'm
can soon, I feel like it's one of these Emperor's
New Clothes situations. I think, dig down. We all know
(10:58):
that bubble tea is disgusting, but just some people have
decided that it's cool, so they drink it. Anyway, is
it really drinking it or are you chewing it? I
am Glen Heart, not a fan of bubble tea, but
I'm definitely a fan of spending time with you, and
I'll do it again tomorrow. Season.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
How did it get to be Thursday already? I am
Glen Hart, and we are looking back at Wednesday. And
Chris Hopkins is really annoying. News Talks you be hosts
and listeners were apparently where we haven't got enough retail space,
(00:50):
can you believe it? And Marcus has a few thoughts
about bubble Tea. But before any of that, when Peter's
got a hecklled the other day, this is a sort
of a this is bubbling along this thing, this issue.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
This guy was wearing a work lanyard. It clearly identified
him as a staffer. I had after mentioning it on
the show yesterday, I had his name and photo land
in my inbox at four forty one, that is yesterday afternoon, obviously,
which is to say, the reason I'm telling you this
is that people it didn't take people very long to
figure out who he was and who he works for.
(01:25):
And if Tonkin and Taylor had said nothing rightly or wrongly,
there would be people who would assume that they were
fine with his behavior, or perhaps even that they shared
his views. So it was actually a reputational risk for
them to remain quiet, and they were right to publicly
distance themselves from him, and an apology to Winston seems
like a perfect, perfectly reasonable way of publicly distancing themselves
(01:46):
from him. I think it is also perfectly reasonable for
them to call old mate Bollocks into the office and
remind him not to embarrass them when he's wearing a
work lanyard. I think that also seems like a fair
thing to do. But I think that is where it
needs to end. I mean, the Free Speech Union raise
some very decent points. He should not be punished or
fired for what he did. He is entitled to his views.
(02:08):
He's entitled to make a complete dick of himself in
his own time if he wants to, which obviously he
did want to do. His free speech on this matter
should be defended, but so should the free speech of
the chief executive who didn't like what she saw and
wanted to say she was sorry on behalf of her company.
Free speech cuts both ways.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
My major issue with this was that I was disappointed
that Winson didn't have any cleverer retorts than naff Off,
and you look like bollocks. I thought that was a
bit I thought he could have come up with something
a little bit quicker than that. But apparently not news talk.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Been my dear.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I wasn't there, of course, however this woman was.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
You know, we're in a public place and you know,
the abuse this guy was giving Munstone was just so
uncalled for, Like he wasn't there, He wasn't there listening
to it all from the beginning. He just basically came
off the train.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So do you think do you think he just arrived, Wendy.
I was sort of speculating on this before. Did he
come down to see Winston or was he just cruising
past and good annoyed?
Speaker 6 (03:10):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I believe he came off a train right and he
saw he saw him, and then he just just basically
pushed his way into where the media and stuff were
and then just started having got.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He got so he got so triggered, He got so
triggered that he couldn't help himself even though he is
landed on He just got needed to need to yell
some ageous abuse at a man. Yeah, it must have
been a bit of a red a red miss situation, Whindy,
by the sound of it, that he just completely lost
his mind.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Maybe he never had it in the first place.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, well I don't know. And it was just like
it just came from nowhere, and Okay, Winston, you know,
gave back, you know, exactly what the guy was giving them.
But yeah, the guy knew that, you know, this was
not going anywhere and didn't stop, but just carried on
and made a total twetter.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Did you think do you think Winston won? Do you
think Winston won the exchange?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah, And it was just like, you know, the abuse
and stuff. It's like I just thought, you know, like
because the kids with and I just thought, you know,
it's a public place, and.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's interesting because, Wendy, because we've got this text here
that says, I'm a member of the Free Speech Union.
I disagree with them on this issue. It's abuse, nothing less.
If say a policeman or a nurse and uniform dished
out this mindus abuse, what would we think do deserves
to be fired? So do you think that in terms
of a free speech issue, Wendy, that people should be
(04:35):
allowed to yell things out. You take umbrage with the
words he was using and the abuse.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
He was given.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So if he had turned up Wendy and just sort
of yelled some political points he disagreed with in a
reasoned manner, you wouldn't have had a problem.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
No, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Is this a This is a sticks and stones issue
at the end of the day, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Like I say?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I guess I just thought Winston had a thicker skin.
This guy really got under it. But he probably was
out alone.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Let's be honest us talk said.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's Chris Hopkins.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
How out of.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Line is eving?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm the p Religious Committee and everything else.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
He refused to commit to the debt ceiling of fifty
percent of GDP. It's the sacred threshold that Treasury warns
we just shouldn't cross. It's the same threshold even Grant
Robertson said we shouldn't cross the same threshold, even barbed
from accounts said we shouldn't cross a day earlier. So
now national can run around till the elections screaming debt
(05:39):
monster till they're blue in the face, and they won't
be wrong until he commits. Otherwise, Strike one of course,
came courtesy of the Greens last week the Mad Hatter
Alternative budget, the plan so toxic it had killed growth,
like round up on your weeds. Chippy first said he
hadn't read it, which no one believed. Then he said
(06:00):
he'd read it and wouldn't rule anything out, so he
might allow some or all of the roundup to be
sprayed on our economic prosperity. Then he says some of
the stuff was bad, some of it was okay, but
still not committing to anything. Obviously, this is going to
be the high tide mark on a Green Party negotiation
position post election, and most of it will never see
(06:22):
the light of day and actually happen. And the same
way the Privileges Committee thing is not that big of
a deal to most voters and doesn't reflect their crime
and justice policies. But if politics is about perception and
perception is reality, it's three own goals in a week,
(06:43):
three strikes for Chippy?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Wait wait, wait, are we doing are we doing goals?
Are we doing strikes? You can't. You can't have baseball
and football in the same metaphor, can you. I'm so confused.
I'm also confused by this odd story yesterday about the
(07:07):
retail space. Apparently we haven't got enough people just love
bricks and mortar shopping, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
We you've got people who have been in business for years,
who know their business, who know that there is online
so they upgrade their websites, they get with the program.
I'm just thinking because I was in total Or on Friday.
There's a store called Wendy's there that's been there since
nineteen eighty four and it's still doing a roaring trade,
(07:36):
great website. It was absolutely packed, knows its customers. The
staff were incredibly helpful, and it's been there since nineteen
eighty four. It's seen off recessions, it's seen off online shopping.
You know, if you know your stuff, and you will
have stores like that up and down the country. You're
stick to your knitting, you adapt with the times. You
(07:58):
know what you're good at, you take on board what
you need to take on board to grow with your customers.
You'll be fine and you cannot beat a good in
store experience. But bloody hell, it's tough out there. So
how on earth can we fill four or five massive
(08:19):
new shopping complexes, which is what Crystal Ball was saying,
would it not be best to start with filling the
existing stores that have vacant right now and have been
vacant for far too long.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, this didn't ring true with me at all, this
claim of people preferring bricks and mortar over online. I
think the difference between our country and a lot of
other countries is that we don't have an Amazon distribution
warehouse in New Zealand. Our closest one is in Australia.
(08:54):
I know that Timu now ships from a local warehouse.
I think these trends are going to change, and they're
going to continue to change, and I think it's very
shortsighted to think that ricks and mortar retail was going
to increase over time. Anyway, news talk it right. Let's
(09:18):
finish up with the curiosity that is Bubble Tea. I
think Marcus was talking about slip and cuwey and then
closing down what's going to happen with their building?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
But then this, I don't know what will happen with
the building. It feels like it about six stories. It's
quite a big building, takes up a whole block of
be a significant building. I can't imagine what would go
in there. I can't imagine who was the rising stars
of commercial real estate that they would put in there.
What's everyone clamoring to do? I know what it will be,
probably bubble Tea. Put in the world's biggest bubble tea
(09:49):
place that seems to not be falling out of favor
with anyone, does it?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yes, So we had those yogurt places you go, those
ice cream places you do, all the different topics they
came and went. But bubble Tea, well, it seems to
work better in smaller shops. Bubble Tea. You would want
five floors of it. I know what the bubbles are.
We tried the family once Indo Need and it was
a disaster. The people we are with it, I've never
(10:15):
known anyone who has so much trouble struggle with But
I mean, I loved it, But the kids were sort
of non play. There was a bit too sophisticated for
them out from Bluff and the big city of Dunedin
experimenting with the bubble tee thing. Anyway, I think they
thought it was going to be more excited than next
you was, which is probably really much what I've always
thought about bubble Tea.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Anyway, I'm not a big fan of lumps of things
in my drinks, so yeah, I just don't get it.
But anyway, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't
be allowed to have it if you want it, but
it's one of these sort of as far as I'm
can soon, I feel like it's one of these Emperor's
New Clothes situations. I think, dig down. We all know
(10:58):
that bubble tea is disgusting, but just some people have
decided that it's cool, so they drink it. Anyway, is
it really drinking it or are you chewing it? I
am Glen Heart, not a fan of bubble tea, but
I'm definitely a fan of spending time with you, and
I'll do it again tomorrow. Season.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
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