July 21, 2025 • 11 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hard and we
are looking back at Monday, and the people are still
talking about the cold Play KISSCM drama. Amazingly, Marcus has
got something far more important to discuss. It's about how
to boil water. But before any of that, in Cea,
(00:45):
I think it's done and dusted by the sounds of things,
Either that or they're just completely changing it, but it
will still be Broughty in Cea. Something's going on anyway.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Having teachers mark their own students work rather than having
it externally marked always meant that we couldn't be sure
that students were all achieving the same level across the country.
And having so many internal credits available that students could
pass before they even got to exam time always meant
that they were going to figure this out, and they
were going to start to game the system, and they
(01:15):
were going to rack up their internal assessment credits and
get enough and then just skip the exams. And that
is exactly what they're doing. The end result has been
entirely predictable. Kids would absolutely have a qualification. They could
come out the other side say yep, by me, NCA one,
NCAA two, NCAA level three, but that didn't mean that
actually learned anything. We couldn't actually be sure that they
learned what they needed to learn during the course of
(01:36):
the year. And that is what has happened. When we
made those exams compulsory, you know, the ones that we've
been talking about in the last few years. The fail
rates in them were enormous, and that's because kids didn't
learn what they were supposed to learn. In the second
year of NCEA, this is level two, nearly half of
the level two students the year twelve students achieved it
(01:57):
last year without actually learning all the things that they
were supposed to learn. How on earth do you do that?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Why I think there is no point in tinkering and
continuing with some form of NCA is because if you
change these things that you need to change to make
NCEA better, you are changing what is fundamental about NCEA.
It is supposed to be flexible, it is supposed to
be internally assessed. If you take that kind of stuff out,
you're just going to go back to something that looks
(02:23):
like ib or Cambridge, in which case, just get rid
of it and go back to something that looks like
ib or Cambridge. And why not go back to ib
or Cambridge. Why do we have to do our own
version of it? It is a dog, It has been
a dog since the very start. Just ditch it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I my poor attention span or am I just got
no patience for news stories these days. I'm so sick
of people talking about NCA and what's wrong with it,
especially from people who don't have any skin in the game,
like if you don't have kids at school or kids
(03:00):
that are going to go to.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
School, shut the our news talk ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm not sure where Ryan stands on this, because I
don't think he's got any kids, but he could get
some one day, I suppose. Now, I just took myself
out of that previous argument.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
There was a number in this report which I think
should jump out for all parents and teachers. Twenty two percent.
Last year, twenty two percent of NCA results came from
external assessment, which is code language for exams, you know,
actually going and sitting down under the watchful eye of
(03:43):
a teacher or an assessor. The bulk of the credits
that students got came from internal assessment stuff like essays.
This means you can basically get away with using AI
and all sorts of other stuff to do the work
for you. One in four this is bad. One in
four kids didn't bother sitting the exams for subjects because
(04:06):
they already had enough internal cris It's now I went
through the NCAA system and this happened to me too,
that I would never dream of skipping, and I would
have been cobbed around the back of the head by
mum skipping an exam just because I had enough credits
to go on. Clearly, something has to be done about this.
What hope do we give students if they're not being
(04:28):
taught the basics or they're not being assessed properly. And
until something is done about that, you'll keep getting bad headlines.
You'll keep getting bad AERO reports about a system that
gets undermined. The qualification gets undermined every time one of
these headline rolls out, and kids rely on these qualifications
(04:49):
to get them through their working lives. That doesn't seem
very fair.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh. Also, the other people I don't want to hear
from on this are people who didn't do very well
at school or didn't care about school, like me. That's
why I don't really have an opinion on it, other
than my usual opinion that I don't need to get
here of school.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Qu's talk said me.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think school's a terrible place. I think most kids
are miserable there. I definitely replace it with something else,
though I don't. It's very far on parents to have
to be exposed to their kids anymore than they have to.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Be, and the abdication of parental input into the student's choices.
You can't just sip back and see what your kid
chooses to study and complain, well, I just didn't understand
the system. You can't sit back and say that. As
a parent. You have to educate yourself. You have to
know how the system works, and then you have to
(05:41):
have a good old word with your kids and convince them,
and the schools have to do that as well. And
this is if you want your children to be adequately
educated for the future, and the schools want their children
that they're teaching to come out adequately educated. For the future,
and the reason we want this is so that the
next generation is even better than we are. So eight
(06:06):
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to four.
And Erica Stamford's had some words from bureaucrats saying it's
a bit stuffed. She reckons she's got proposals coming later.
It's time for you to have your say and let
the politicians listen to what you want and how you
(06:28):
would change it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I know that's how government is supposed to work. That
you're supposed to tell people who you know on councils
and on and MPs and ultimately the Prime Minister you
know what you want, and then they do that stuff.
I take a slightly different point of view. I just
want them to do all that stuff and leave me
(06:50):
out of it. Right, let's change tech. It's time to talk.
Oh no, not the kiss cam thing. People have got
really excited about the KISCM thing, haven't they. I mean,
it is pretty amazing that you go to a Coldplay
concert and then suddenly you're out of a job.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
When you say that they're on that, she reported to him.
Do you think that within an office relationship? Let's just
say that neither of them have partners. Would it be
okay then for you or you think that the power
and balance is such that he shouldn't be seeing her,
whether she he's got a wife or not.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Absolutely so, does that mean she's a power and balance?
Speaker 7 (07:32):
So should CEOs only be able to date CEOs at work?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You know, it's not just about the two of them,
it's about everybody else who works in the company. So
it's for you, know, So how other people view any
special relationship that may compromise their roles or their careers
or decisions that impact them.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
What do you think about her being from HR? Surely
she has been in a situation before which she said
she's had to deal with this, so there's a certain
amount of hypocrisy she you would think, of all people
would be gulled up on the risks of going to
a cold place, play concert and cuddling up with the
CEO that's married.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'll be tactful and say that it would appear to
me that her judgment was flawed.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for your cool sharing.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, good caol, plenty of tacks coming through On nine
two ninety two.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
I would have seen some good memes online and how
they should have behaved. There's one saying that he should
have immediately. If he was smart, he would have immediately
pretend he was doing the Heimrech maneuver and then she
could have faked spat out a piece of food.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That would have been quick thinking if only.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yes, I don't know if you've caught up with the
news that Chris Martin now apparently does a warning before
they turned the priscam on, So presumably cheating bastards can
get away with it. Is that what we want? I
think ideally they just need to change the name of
(09:04):
it to cheat cam and then just hunt out people
who are cheating, and then that makes it even more entertaining,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
News Talk Ziz been right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, you can count on Marcus to really strike up
a nationwide debate because boiling water. That is a fun
thing to watch.
Speaker 8 (09:26):
Isn't it a kettle or a microwave? You haven't got
any opinions on that? What is quicker? And once you
tell me what you think is quicker, I'll take a
quick pole. I've got an answer for that, and then
we'll go on to the topic as bay and that
might be easy.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
So, yeah, what is.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
Quicker a kettle or a microwave to boil a cup
of water. What's also cheaper out of interest too, the
kit or the microwave, which quicker to boil a glass
or a cup of water? Let me know you're frying
it quite through, because I'm going to tell you. Then
we can start with the topic at hand. Because I
was surprised by the result. You got a kettle, you
(10:04):
got a microwave. Some said neither, it's a jug. People
upset that I'm calling a gettle a jug or a
jug of kettle. You never know what people don't take
offense with these days, do you.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Either calling the jug the kettle. I don't like that
A kettle is a kettle, a jug as a jug.
That's just how it goes. So let's put that one
to bed. Also, I don't like boiling things in the
microwave because that just seems like a way to mess
up the inside of your microwave. To me, heat things
(10:35):
up by all means absolutely, But yeah, and then I
will take that a little bit further. I boil water
in the jug if I need a pot of boiling
water on the stove, and then I'll transfer that water
into the pot, because I have no doubt in my
(10:55):
mind that that works quicker and more efficiently than just
watching a pot. I hope we've settled all that for you.
I am being hat. That's the kind of things that
I'm here to adjudicate on. So yeah, you can go
away from this podcast sort of. You know, that's one
part of your mind that's soon really calm, So I'll
(11:21):
be back to come another bit of your mind tomorrow.
See you.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Then used Talking Talkings it Bean.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
For more from News Talk said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk set B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk, said B Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hard and we
are looking back at Monday, and the people are still
talking about the cold Play KISSCM drama. Amazingly, Marcus has
got something far more important to discuss. It's about how
to boil water. But before any of that, in Cea,
(00:45):
I think it's done and dusted by the sounds of things,
Either that or they're just completely changing it, but it
will still be Broughty in Cea. Something's going on anyway.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Having teachers mark their own students work rather than having
it externally marked always meant that we couldn't be sure
that students were all achieving the same level across the country.
And having so many internal credits available that students could
pass before they even got to exam time always meant
that they were going to figure this out, and they
were going to start to game the system, and they
(01:15):
were going to rack up their internal assessment credits and
get enough and then just skip the exams. And that
is exactly what they're doing. The end result has been
entirely predictable. Kids would absolutely have a qualification. They could
come out the other side say yep, by me, NCA one,
NCAA two, NCAA level three, but that didn't mean that
actually learned anything. We couldn't actually be sure that they
learned what they needed to learn during the course of
(01:36):
the year. And that is what has happened. When we
made those exams compulsory, you know, the ones that we've
been talking about in the last few years. The fail
rates in them were enormous, and that's because kids didn't
learn what they were supposed to learn. In the second
year of NCEA, this is level two, nearly half of
the level two students the year twelve students achieved it
(01:57):
last year without actually learning all the things that they
were supposed to learn. How on earth do you do that?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Why I think there is no point in tinkering and
continuing with some form of NCA is because if you
change these things that you need to change to make
NCEA better, you are changing what is fundamental about NCEA.
It is supposed to be flexible, it is supposed to
be internally assessed. If you take that kind of stuff out,
you're just going to go back to something that looks
(02:23):
like ib or Cambridge, in which case, just get rid
of it and go back to something that looks like
ib or Cambridge. And why not go back to ib
or Cambridge. Why do we have to do our own
version of it? It is a dog, It has been
a dog since the very start. Just ditch it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I my poor attention span or am I just got
no patience for news stories these days. I'm so sick
of people talking about NCA and what's wrong with it,
especially from people who don't have any skin in the game,
like if you don't have kids at school or kids
(03:00):
that are going to go to.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
School, shut the our news talk ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm not sure where Ryan stands on this, because I
don't think he's got any kids, but he could get
some one day, I suppose. Now, I just took myself
out of that previous argument.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
There was a number in this report which I think
should jump out for all parents and teachers. Twenty two percent.
Last year, twenty two percent of NCA results came from
external assessment, which is code language for exams, you know,
actually going and sitting down under the watchful eye of
(03:43):
a teacher or an assessor. The bulk of the credits
that students got came from internal assessment stuff like essays.
This means you can basically get away with using AI
and all sorts of other stuff to do the work
for you. One in four this is bad. One in
four kids didn't bother sitting the exams for subjects because
(04:06):
they already had enough internal cris It's now I went
through the NCAA system and this happened to me too,
that I would never dream of skipping, and I would
have been cobbed around the back of the head by
mum skipping an exam just because I had enough credits
to go on. Clearly, something has to be done about this.
What hope do we give students if they're not being
(04:28):
taught the basics or they're not being assessed properly. And
until something is done about that, you'll keep getting bad headlines.
You'll keep getting bad AERO reports about a system that
gets undermined. The qualification gets undermined every time one of
these headline rolls out, and kids rely on these qualifications
(04:49):
to get them through their working lives. That doesn't seem
very fair.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh. Also, the other people I don't want to hear
from on this are people who didn't do very well
at school or didn't care about school, like me. That's
why I don't really have an opinion on it, other
than my usual opinion that I don't need to get
here of school.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Qu's talk said me.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think school's a terrible place. I think most kids
are miserable there. I definitely replace it with something else,
though I don't. It's very far on parents to have
to be exposed to their kids anymore than they have to.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Be, and the abdication of parental input into the student's choices.
You can't just sip back and see what your kid
chooses to study and complain, well, I just didn't understand
the system. You can't sit back and say that. As
a parent. You have to educate yourself. You have to
know how the system works, and then you have to
(05:41):
have a good old word with your kids and convince them,
and the schools have to do that as well. And
this is if you want your children to be adequately
educated for the future, and the schools want their children
that they're teaching to come out adequately educated. For the future,
and the reason we want this is so that the
next generation is even better than we are. So eight
(06:06):
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to four.
And Erica Stamford's had some words from bureaucrats saying it's
a bit stuffed. She reckons she's got proposals coming later.
It's time for you to have your say and let
the politicians listen to what you want and how you
(06:28):
would change it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I know that's how government is supposed to work. That
you're supposed to tell people who you know on councils
and on and MPs and ultimately the Prime Minister you
know what you want, and then they do that stuff.
I take a slightly different point of view. I just
want them to do all that stuff and leave me
(06:50):
out of it. Right, let's change tech. It's time to talk.
Oh no, not the kiss cam thing. People have got
really excited about the KISCM thing, haven't they. I mean,
it is pretty amazing that you go to a Coldplay
concert and then suddenly you're out of a job.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
When you say that they're on that, she reported to him.
Do you think that within an office relationship? Let's just
say that neither of them have partners. Would it be
okay then for you or you think that the power
and balance is such that he shouldn't be seeing her,
whether she he's got a wife or not.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Absolutely so, does that mean she's a power and balance?
Speaker 7 (07:32):
So should CEOs only be able to date CEOs at work?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You know, it's not just about the two of them,
it's about everybody else who works in the company. So
it's for you, know, So how other people view any
special relationship that may compromise their roles or their careers
or decisions that impact them.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
What do you think about her being from HR? Surely
she has been in a situation before which she said
she's had to deal with this, so there's a certain
amount of hypocrisy she you would think, of all people
would be gulled up on the risks of going to
a cold place, play concert and cuddling up with the
CEO that's married.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'll be tactful and say that it would appear to
me that her judgment was flawed.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for your cool sharing.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, good caol, plenty of tacks coming through On nine
two ninety two.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
I would have seen some good memes online and how
they should have behaved. There's one saying that he should
have immediately. If he was smart, he would have immediately
pretend he was doing the Heimrech maneuver and then she
could have faked spat out a piece of food.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That would have been quick thinking if only.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yes, I don't know if you've caught up with the
news that Chris Martin now apparently does a warning before
they turned the priscam on, So presumably cheating bastards can
get away with it. Is that what we want? I
think ideally they just need to change the name of
(09:04):
it to cheat cam and then just hunt out people
who are cheating, and then that makes it even more entertaining,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
News Talk Ziz been right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, you can count on Marcus to really strike up
a nationwide debate because boiling water. That is a fun
thing to watch.
Speaker 8 (09:26):
Isn't it a kettle or a microwave? You haven't got
any opinions on that? What is quicker? And once you
tell me what you think is quicker, I'll take a
quick pole. I've got an answer for that, and then
we'll go on to the topic as bay and that
might be easy.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
So, yeah, what is.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
Quicker a kettle or a microwave to boil a cup
of water. What's also cheaper out of interest too, the
kit or the microwave, which quicker to boil a glass
or a cup of water? Let me know you're frying
it quite through, because I'm going to tell you. Then
we can start with the topic at hand. Because I
was surprised by the result. You got a kettle, you
(10:04):
got a microwave. Some said neither, it's a jug. People
upset that I'm calling a gettle a jug or a
jug of kettle. You never know what people don't take
offense with these days, do you.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Either calling the jug the kettle. I don't like that
A kettle is a kettle, a jug as a jug.
That's just how it goes. So let's put that one
to bed. Also, I don't like boiling things in the
microwave because that just seems like a way to mess
up the inside of your microwave. To me, heat things
(10:35):
up by all means absolutely, But yeah, and then I
will take that a little bit further. I boil water
in the jug if I need a pot of boiling
water on the stove, and then I'll transfer that water
into the pot, because I have no doubt in my
(10:55):
mind that that works quicker and more efficiently than just
watching a pot. I hope we've settled all that for you.
I am being hat. That's the kind of things that
I'm here to adjudicate on. So yeah, you can go
away from this podcast sort of. You know, that's one
part of your mind that's soon really calm, So I'll
(11:21):
be back to come another bit of your mind tomorrow.
See you.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Then used Talking Talkings it Bean.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
For more from News Talk said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
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