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FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Tuesday on Newstalk ZB) It's All About Butter/More Doctors Is Probably Good/The Way We Watch Telly
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I'm Glen Harton and we're looking
back at Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So, why Kadow finally gets its medical school.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's got to be great news. Why are people complaiinning
Sky TV has bought TV three because there's not enough
channels on Sky already. But first app the cost of
living is it's really starting to fit into the government's popularity.
(00:58):
Are they to blame?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What the government really needs to do is they need
to win. And if they managed to say okay, Fonterra,
you know, and there'd be ways they could do it.
And if they managed to get a victory there and
reduce the price of butter, then I think there would
be some good will for the government because it's been
(01:19):
sorely lacking good will for the government because they haven't
had the victories. But it's butter that's going to go
on or not, because you know, you know how politics
is quite quite complicated, things like resource management and stuff
like that. It's complicated, get their heads around. They're not
confident of have an opinion on it. But when you
go down to the pub or to your scrabble club,
or to your ma Jong group, or talking to someone
(01:43):
waiting at the train station, fairly straightforward conversation starter is Gee,
how about that price of butter. It's a really easy
thing to understand that butter used to be about four
dollars a pound, now it's about fourteen. And that's the
sort of stuff it's you know, it's not the complicated
stuff that hurts governments. It's the really simple stuff with
(02:04):
we think, hey, that's wrong, we're paying too much. That's
my take on but anyway, So yeah, I wouldn't be
surprised if there's pressure now behind the scenes for Willis
to get some result. If she doesn't, if it's just
more talk, because remember she used to work there. If
she comes away and nothing changes, then your things aren't
(02:24):
going to get rosier for this government because people, you know,
it's people vote on cost of living.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Convinced of it is this election really it's going to
be all about butter. And when I say this election,
the election that will be towards the end of next year,
you know how much better is going to be. By
then it might be as expensive as goal. By then
(02:55):
you can get a brick of butter or a brick
of goal.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
News talk Z been right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So why ketto medical school is going to be a thing?
Why some people complaining about this?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Should we be a little worried this morning about the
business of business cases? David Siemil from ACT kicked up
of fuss about the Wycutter University Doctors School cost. He
said the cost was out of whack based on a
poor quality business case, and he seems to have been
proven correct, does he not? Why else would the cost
of the taxpayer have shrunk from two hundred and eighty
(03:31):
million dollars to eighty million dollars a two hundred million
dollar saving If he was right, and he's one guy
at the cabinet table. How many other business cases don't
stack up? There's an entire lucrative business case industry in Wellington.
Some of the workers done in house by government departments,
of course, but much of it is outsourced to the
private sector. Can we trust these reports? MB had a
(03:56):
business case train wreck a few years back. You might
remember this. They were calculating the benefits of hosting events
like the World Dance Championships and questions from the media,
they went back and redid their sums, realized they had
been incorrectly calculating the cost benefit analyses of events for
two years. More than a dozen applications had to be fixed.
(04:18):
We've recently had scraps over the benefits of four laning
two fun today. And this is a problem because if
we can't trust the numbers we're basing decisions on, then
how can we make proper decisions. I hope the Wykotter
UNI Med School is a success. They say it'll train
in extra one hundred and twenty doctors a year. That
sounds fantastic, But there are three signs this is a
(04:38):
risk of becoming a white elephant project for the government.
One other UNI say they could have done it cheaper.
Two Wykauter UNI has tons of its own money and
the ability to tap into debt. Why aren't they funding it?
And three the business case was clearly a bit shonky
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, well, that sounds very New Zealand. Isn't it criticizing
something before it's even a thing? Bound to fail?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
There's no way I can succeed us talk said.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Let's find out what Andrew Dickins had to say about it.
He's sending it for Kerry Woodham this week.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And then there's the question of where do we find
these people with the ability and desire to become a doctor.
Because doctors don't grow on trees. The thought is starting
to rise that we should be getting out there into
the school systems and whatever and selecting them and saying
you have talent, you could be a doctor. You can't
tell people to be a GP, as the University of
(05:33):
Wykado Vice Chancellor Neil Quickly Tod Mike this morning.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
People have tried bonding schemes and other places and things
like that, but they're really difficult to make work practically
and legally. What you have to do is select people
for the commitment that they show to being in general
practice and in primary care. And it's possible to design
your selection mechanisms so that you identify those characteristics and
(06:00):
people rather than just well because they will come from
places where there are shortages of doctors and where they're
committed to going back to those places to practice, and
we'll select them based on their demonstrated involvement with the
community rather than just their academic grades.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
All right, So there's a whole lot to unpack in
this and that's what you're here for. The number de
votos eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is the medical
school in Wykato a good idea? Or would you prefer
the medical schools in Otago and Auckland to be expanded?
The second thing is should we be selecting our doctors?
Should we be finding the kids who are actor good
at this and could be good at this? Because to
be a doctor, and certainly to be a surgeon, you
(06:45):
need to be an extraordinary individual. So do we wait
for them to voluntarily turn up? Then once we have
trained them, how do we keep them? Classic old questions
I know, but ones we're still seeking an answer for,
and one that you might have the answer for me.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I'm a little bit uncomfortable about the whole concept of
going into schools and selecting people at that point and
saying you're going to be a ductor. I'm I'm going
to mate, who's a Chinese guy, and he said, that's
that's basically how their schools work in China. You get
(07:22):
told from a very early age what it is you're
going to be doing once you leave school, and that's
just your path and you don't really get to say it.
Sounds cool, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So news broke during the mic Hosking grit Vis yesterday
morning that Sky TV has bought TV three well Discovery
or whatever I can. This is so confusing, all this
stuff these days, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
It's just say white loaders. Sky TV buys the rights
to white Loaders, the broadcast rights within the country.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
Right.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
They earn the money off white loadus by sticking it
on Sky TV, sticking it on Neon, and we pay
a subscription to watch it. Now they can wait a
few months, maybe till all of us who've paid for
it have watched it, and then they can dump white
loadus for free on TV three and three now, which
is TV three's app, and then they can make money
off white loadus all over again through advertising around the
(08:14):
free content.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Now.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
They can already do this with their Sky open channel,
which is a free to air channel.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They already have.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
But who even knows where on the TV Sky openers.
I have no bloody idea what number it has never
even watched it before in my life, and does it
have an app? Wouldn't know. I know everything you need
to know about TV three. I've got the TV three app.
I know where to find it. It's number three on
the TV. There is a very strong brand attached to three.
More importantly, I would have thought for TV. For SkyTV,
(08:43):
this strengthens its arm for sports right. SkyTV has now
got to be the only real choice in town for
sports content. Beforehand, at least domestically, TV and Z was
a real competitor, at least for the free to air portion,
given so many people watch TV and Z both it's
on air channels and its app. But now sky TV's
got three same same. It doesn't need anything to It
(09:05):
doesn't need to have anything to do with TV and Z. Finally,
it's good for you and me this deal that was
struck today, because who doesn't want excellent free content landing
on an app that you already have or a TV
channel that you already watched. So good day all round,
I would.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Say, Okay, so interesting take there from Heither. He sounds
like she's really on top of things. Technically, it's not
that hard to find Sky open and that's why there's
a there's a button on your sky remote that brings
up the TV guide anyway, News Talk zip Bean. So
(09:47):
Matt and Tyler of course had something to say on
this too. I wonder if they know how to use
this sky remote.
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Every now and again, I'd say maybe once a week,
once a fortnight, I'll go back to terrestrial TV because
I get this paradox of choice situation, the over choice
that I go through Netflix, I go through Prime Video,
and I am so overwhelmed with how many things there
are to watch that it does my head and I
think I can't be bothered even deciding. And I know
(10:16):
that sounds like a place of privilege, and I suppose
it is. But then I'd say, I just want someone
else to do the content program for me. So I'll
flick on terrestrial TV, and I'm hoping, against hope that
there's a show about houses on there, because I love
those shows.
Speaker 9 (10:29):
Yes, so my mother in laws run at my house
and she's a big fan of The Chase Right great show,
so she always puts the Chase on.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And I quite liked it.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
The other day.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
I hadn't watched touristrial television for a long time, but
the ads, I was like, this is great. You watch
a bit, you're gon't do something. Yep, dinner, you miss around,
you talk to people. There's actually there's actually something quite good.
I know what you're saying. It's on at a certain time.
You know, it's very old school, it is, but there's
something there's something quite comforting about it. It is it
just sort of rolls on.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Yeah, having that five minutes to check to your family
members before the final chase is on, there's something really
nice about that.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I honestly don't know what's happening. One of the things
I love about living in the modern world is that
I now no longer have to watch any ads ever,
because everything I watch it is literally on my own
terms on demand, whether I pay for it or don't.
(11:24):
I'm not watching I'm not watching ads, And if I
want to stop in the middle of something, I'll press
pause what are these people talking about? But just goes
to show that everybody has their own unique experience, don't
they the way they consume things. I'm always amazed with podcasts.
For example, I subscribe to a bunch of podcasts. They
(11:47):
just come up on my app as they're released, and
then I, you know, I listen to them and yet
one of the hosts of one of the podcasts I
listen to is surprised that people listen to podcasts that way.
He assumes that people look for and download things specifically
based on who's appearing on the podcast or the description
(12:11):
of the podcast, and he can't believe that people just
you know, listen to podcasts as they appear, even though
that's the point of you know, subscribing to a podcast
because you want to hear every episode and it will
come when it comes. Thanks for subscribing for this one.
Did I make any kind of valid connection at the
(12:33):
at the end between podcasts and free to wear and
subscription TV? Maybe?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But I think what we've learned today from from Heather
and from Matt and from Tyler is that people have
some very make some very weird lifestyle choices. I thank
you for making a weird lifestyle choice and joining me here,
and we'll see you back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Used Talking Talking It been for more from News Talk,
said b listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I'm Glen Harton and we're looking
back at Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So, why Kadow finally gets its medical school.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's got to be great news. Why are people complaiinning
Sky TV has bought TV three because there's not enough
channels on Sky already. But first app the cost of
living is it's really starting to fit into the government's popularity.
(00:58):
Are they to blame?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What the government really needs to do is they need
to win. And if they managed to say okay, Fonterra,
you know, and there'd be ways they could do it.
And if they managed to get a victory there and
reduce the price of butter, then I think there would
be some good will for the government because it's been
(01:19):
sorely lacking good will for the government because they haven't
had the victories. But it's butter that's going to go
on or not, because you know, you know how politics
is quite quite complicated, things like resource management and stuff
like that. It's complicated, get their heads around. They're not
confident of have an opinion on it. But when you
go down to the pub or to your scrabble club,
or to your ma Jong group, or talking to someone
(01:43):
waiting at the train station, fairly straightforward conversation starter is Gee,
how about that price of butter. It's a really easy
thing to understand that butter used to be about four
dollars a pound, now it's about fourteen. And that's the
sort of stuff it's you know, it's not the complicated
stuff that hurts governments. It's the really simple stuff with
(02:04):
we think, hey, that's wrong, we're paying too much. That's
my take on but anyway, So yeah, I wouldn't be
surprised if there's pressure now behind the scenes for Willis
to get some result. If she doesn't, if it's just
more talk, because remember she used to work there. If
she comes away and nothing changes, then your things aren't
(02:24):
going to get rosier for this government because people, you know,
it's people vote on cost of living.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Convinced of it is this election really it's going to
be all about butter. And when I say this election,
the election that will be towards the end of next year,
you know how much better is going to be. By
then it might be as expensive as goal. By then
(02:55):
you can get a brick of butter or a brick
of goal.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
News talk Z been right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So why ketto medical school is going to be a thing?
Why some people complaining about this?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Should we be a little worried this morning about the
business of business cases? David Siemil from ACT kicked up
of fuss about the Wycutter University Doctors School cost. He
said the cost was out of whack based on a
poor quality business case, and he seems to have been
proven correct, does he not? Why else would the cost
of the taxpayer have shrunk from two hundred and eighty
(03:31):
million dollars to eighty million dollars a two hundred million
dollar saving If he was right, and he's one guy
at the cabinet table. How many other business cases don't
stack up? There's an entire lucrative business case industry in Wellington.
Some of the workers done in house by government departments,
of course, but much of it is outsourced to the
private sector. Can we trust these reports? MB had a
(03:56):
business case train wreck a few years back. You might
remember this. They were calculating the benefits of hosting events
like the World Dance Championships and questions from the media,
they went back and redid their sums, realized they had
been incorrectly calculating the cost benefit analyses of events for
two years. More than a dozen applications had to be fixed.
(04:18):
We've recently had scraps over the benefits of four laning
two fun today. And this is a problem because if
we can't trust the numbers we're basing decisions on, then
how can we make proper decisions. I hope the Wykotter
UNI Med School is a success. They say it'll train
in extra one hundred and twenty doctors a year. That
sounds fantastic, But there are three signs this is a
(04:38):
risk of becoming a white elephant project for the government.
One other UNI say they could have done it cheaper.
Two Wykauter UNI has tons of its own money and
the ability to tap into debt. Why aren't they funding it?
And three the business case was clearly a bit shonky
to begin with.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, well, that sounds very New Zealand. Isn't it criticizing
something before it's even a thing? Bound to fail?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
There's no way I can succeed us talk said.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Let's find out what Andrew Dickins had to say about it.
He's sending it for Kerry Woodham this week.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And then there's the question of where do we find
these people with the ability and desire to become a doctor.
Because doctors don't grow on trees. The thought is starting
to rise that we should be getting out there into
the school systems and whatever and selecting them and saying
you have talent, you could be a doctor. You can't
tell people to be a GP, as the University of
(05:33):
Wykado Vice Chancellor Neil Quickly Tod Mike this morning.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
People have tried bonding schemes and other places and things
like that, but they're really difficult to make work practically
and legally. What you have to do is select people
for the commitment that they show to being in general
practice and in primary care. And it's possible to design
your selection mechanisms so that you identify those characteristics and
(06:00):
people rather than just well because they will come from
places where there are shortages of doctors and where they're
committed to going back to those places to practice, and
we'll select them based on their demonstrated involvement with the
community rather than just their academic grades.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
All right, So there's a whole lot to unpack in
this and that's what you're here for. The number de
votos eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is the medical
school in Wykato a good idea? Or would you prefer
the medical schools in Otago and Auckland to be expanded?
The second thing is should we be selecting our doctors?
Should we be finding the kids who are actor good
at this and could be good at this? Because to
be a doctor, and certainly to be a surgeon, you
(06:45):
need to be an extraordinary individual. So do we wait
for them to voluntarily turn up? Then once we have
trained them, how do we keep them? Classic old questions
I know, but ones we're still seeking an answer for,
and one that you might have the answer for me.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I'm a little bit uncomfortable about the whole concept of
going into schools and selecting people at that point and
saying you're going to be a ductor. I'm I'm going
to mate, who's a Chinese guy, and he said, that's
that's basically how their schools work in China. You get
(07:22):
told from a very early age what it is you're
going to be doing once you leave school, and that's
just your path and you don't really get to say it.
Sounds cool, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So news broke during the mic Hosking grit Vis yesterday
morning that Sky TV has bought TV three well Discovery
or whatever I can. This is so confusing, all this
stuff these days, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
It's just say white loaders. Sky TV buys the rights
to white Loaders, the broadcast rights within the country.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
Right.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
They earn the money off white loadus by sticking it
on Sky TV, sticking it on Neon, and we pay
a subscription to watch it. Now they can wait a
few months, maybe till all of us who've paid for
it have watched it, and then they can dump white
loadus for free on TV three and three now, which
is TV three's app, and then they can make money
off white loadus all over again through advertising around the
(08:14):
free content.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Now.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
They can already do this with their Sky open channel,
which is a free to air channel.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They already have.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
But who even knows where on the TV Sky openers.
I have no bloody idea what number it has never
even watched it before in my life, and does it
have an app? Wouldn't know. I know everything you need
to know about TV three. I've got the TV three app.
I know where to find it. It's number three on
the TV. There is a very strong brand attached to three.
More importantly, I would have thought for TV. For SkyTV,
(08:43):
this strengthens its arm for sports right. SkyTV has now
got to be the only real choice in town for
sports content. Beforehand, at least domestically, TV and Z was
a real competitor, at least for the free to air portion,
given so many people watch TV and Z both it's
on air channels and its app. But now sky TV's
got three same same. It doesn't need anything to It
(09:05):
doesn't need to have anything to do with TV and Z. Finally,
it's good for you and me this deal that was
struck today, because who doesn't want excellent free content landing
on an app that you already have or a TV
channel that you already watched. So good day all round,
I would.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Say, Okay, so interesting take there from Heither. He sounds
like she's really on top of things. Technically, it's not
that hard to find Sky open and that's why there's
a there's a button on your sky remote that brings
up the TV guide anyway, News Talk zip Bean. So
(09:47):
Matt and Tyler of course had something to say on
this too. I wonder if they know how to use
this sky remote.
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Every now and again, I'd say maybe once a week,
once a fortnight, I'll go back to terrestrial TV because
I get this paradox of choice situation, the over choice
that I go through Netflix, I go through Prime Video,
and I am so overwhelmed with how many things there
are to watch that it does my head and I
think I can't be bothered even deciding. And I know
(10:16):
that sounds like a place of privilege, and I suppose
it is. But then I'd say, I just want someone
else to do the content program for me. So I'll
flick on terrestrial TV, and I'm hoping, against hope that
there's a show about houses on there, because I love
those shows.
Speaker 9 (10:29):
Yes, so my mother in laws run at my house
and she's a big fan of The Chase Right great show,
so she always puts the Chase on.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And I quite liked it.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
The other day.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
I hadn't watched touristrial television for a long time, but
the ads, I was like, this is great. You watch
a bit, you're gon't do something. Yep, dinner, you miss around,
you talk to people. There's actually there's actually something quite good.
I know what you're saying. It's on at a certain time.
You know, it's very old school, it is, but there's
something there's something quite comforting about it. It is it
just sort of rolls on.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Yeah, having that five minutes to check to your family
members before the final chase is on, there's something really
nice about that.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I honestly don't know what's happening. One of the things
I love about living in the modern world is that
I now no longer have to watch any ads ever,
because everything I watch it is literally on my own
terms on demand, whether I pay for it or don't.
(11:24):
I'm not watching I'm not watching ads, And if I
want to stop in the middle of something, I'll press
pause what are these people talking about? But just goes
to show that everybody has their own unique experience, don't
they the way they consume things. I'm always amazed with podcasts.
For example, I subscribe to a bunch of podcasts. They
(11:47):
just come up on my app as they're released, and
then I, you know, I listen to them and yet
one of the hosts of one of the podcasts I
listen to is surprised that people listen to podcasts that way.
He assumes that people look for and download things specifically
based on who's appearing on the podcast or the description
(12:11):
of the podcast, and he can't believe that people just
you know, listen to podcasts as they appear, even though
that's the point of you know, subscribing to a podcast
because you want to hear every episode and it will
come when it comes. Thanks for subscribing for this one.
Did I make any kind of valid connection at the
(12:33):
at the end between podcasts and free to wear and
subscription TV? Maybe?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But I think what we've learned today from from Heather
and from Matt and from Tyler is that people have
some very make some very weird lifestyle choices. I thank
you for making a weird lifestyle choice and joining me here,
and we'll see you back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Used Talking Talking It been for more from News Talk,
said b listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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