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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Van Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday the AWS Data center. Is
it new or not? We'll try and find out with
Heather shortly banning things. Marcus is pretty hot on that.
And speaking of hot, we've got Matt and Tyler's hot
(00:46):
Mike moment at the end of the podcast. Before any
of that, Yes, unwindening our climate policy. Are we going
against the world or with the world.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
The rest of the world, with the exception of the
United States, still believe in this mirage. And they're the
ones buying our food. And there are also the ones
who will find any way to blacklist our awesome agricultural products. Boy,
the Euros, the Europeans, if they can find a chink
in our armor, they will, They'll say, you can't bring
your butter here. So pulling out of the charade may
(01:17):
see us cutting off our nose despite our face. It
may reduce the compliance costs on our farmers in the
first instance. But what's the point of that if it
makes the rest of the world turn their back on
our milk and butter and meat because they think we're
filthy pollutas so ACT in New Zealand First may think
that this posturing is helping our farmers, but in fact,
(01:38):
maybe it could be penalizing them more if heavily and
maybe ACT in New Zealand First Er are just play
acting this for votes, just as much as the Paris
Climate Accords are play acting for the environment. So look,
let's call this thing for what it is. Say it
doesn't work, But rather than just pulling out a bit
of a flounce, we should be advocating for real change
(02:00):
to the accords and the policies and to actually get
on with helping the environment.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yep, I wholeheartedly agree. Let's fix the environment. That's we
should definitely do that. How to do that, I'm not
quite so clear news talk ze been. I'm also not
entirely convinced just because we can't single handedly fix it
that we shouldn't try. I bind you. I have said
(02:26):
that quite a lot over the last few days. Is
anybody who listened to me? Are you listening to me?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
We're small, quite loud, you know, there would be some
people around the world who would have heard of us,
So if we're made an example of, it would only
hurt us. Nobody else would care. Furthermore, Christopher Luxan says
that New Zealand has taken farming out of the ets
(02:52):
the emissions trading scheme and promises there'll be announcement on
methane targets in the very very near future. So where
do you stand on this one? I'd really love because,
as far as I'm aware, farming as an industry and
farming as a science is constantly working to improve efficiencies
(03:18):
in the way they do things. Our scientists and our
og researchers are working over time to try and bring
down any harmful gases caused in the manufacture of food.
Farmers are implementing all sorts of measures, and if they don't,
they're off the books. They are no longer clients of
(03:38):
places like Fonterra, So you have to meet really high
standards before you can consider yourself a farmer in the
modern age. I would have thought farming as an industry
understood the global realities, given that they are a major
global player.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh boy, boy, boy, we just need to keep going
around around in circles on this ka. Once again, I'm
going to commend to you a book by Kim Stanley
Robinson called Ministry for the Future. It's climate science fiction.
It sounds interesting, doesn't It sounds like the most boring
thing I could possibly recommend to you. But anyway, I
thought it was a very good book, and it's actually
(04:18):
full of interesting ideas on how to fix the climate.
And as Kerry was alluding to, just there, sometimes you
actually have to make it make economic sense for people
to make actual changes and rather than and so if
everybody is following a bunch of rules, even if you
(04:39):
think the rules are stupid, and then they won't buy
your stuff if you don't follow those rules, then it
makes economic sense for you to follow those rules. I
guess we're just going to make sure that those rules
are actually the right rules. That's where it gets a
bit murky.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You talk siban.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Nothing's ever straightforward, is it. So? You know, Amazon massive
data center bringing lots of money into the economy, apparently
creating jobs. Let's not get bogged out in the details.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The thousand jobs that Amazon now tells us that they're
supporting also looks questionable. It looks like they've included people
who already work in the electricity sector, and some say
the real number is more likely a few dozen jobs.
Amazon's not building anything. All the data centers they tell
us are now live have actually been built by other companies,
which means that you could argue that they haven't actually
(05:29):
added anything material to the New Zealand economy, because if
they didn't use those existing data centers, someone else would
just to be using those existing data centers. In fact,
you could argue that Amazon running those data centers is
actually not the best outcome for New Zealand because Amazon
does not pay tax on all of their revenue here,
which means if another local company use those data centers
(05:50):
and paid full tax like they do, we'd all be
better off. We'd be better off than Amazon using the
centers and then sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas
like Google and Facebook do.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Being critical of that announcement by Amazon yesterday is not
the same as being ungrateful for the good that they're doing.
I think you should in tear gate an announcement just
a little bit more than simply taking it at face value,
because that is what Amazon wants you to do. They
want to play us for fools. They want to make
us believe that they're doing good when what they're actually
doing is just making money of us.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And that's fair.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I don't mind them making money off us. They're a business,
we're customers. But let's see it for what it is.
Let's not be grateful for them doing business. I still
like Amazon's product, but to be honest with you, like
a little bit less than I did yesterday when they
assumed that this country was full of stupid people who
would just simply believe anything.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So when this was happening the other day because they
were doing the big excident launch of it, and the
primister mentioned it on the My Asking breakfast, and then
one of our managers, Gosha, has seen to be so
many managers these days, they must be going, all right,
(06:57):
more managers you have than that's the sign that you're
doing well, Your business is going well. I don't know
what they all do anyway. One of them comes in
and says, this is not new, this story this is
who cares whether it's new or not new. It's happening,
isn't it Like I said, let's not get bogged in
the details. Let's not find a reason to hate on
(07:19):
Amazon or anybody else for that better. Let's just get
on with it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So it looks like they might be banning energy drinks
in the UK. Is this sort of a cultural shift,
the culture of banning things.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
From time to time there's discussion about things we should ban,
like they ban cell phones at schools. I'll tell what
the Brits are doing in the UK. This has been
announced today in the UK. Under sixteens in England will
be banned from buying energy drinks such as Red Bull
and Monster because they fuel a beast. He caused sleep
problems and leave them unable to concentrate. Health experts, teaching
(07:59):
unions and dentist welcome the bands so that it would
boost children and young people's health. It fulfills a pledge
Labor included it's manifesto for last year's general election. Energy
drinks might seem harmless, but the sleep, concentration of well
being of today's kids are all being impacted, while high
sugar versions damage their teeth and contribute to obesity. Shops,
(08:21):
cafe restaurants and websites will be prohibited from selling energy
drinks containing more than one fifty MiGs of caffeine per lad.
Anyone under sixteen, Red, Bill, Monster, Relentless and Prime will
all be affected. Is that something New Zealand should look at.
How much of a problem are energy drinks for children's
(08:42):
on about tonight's If you want to talk about that,
that's a bit of a topic. Shift to that one
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I mean basically in
New Zealand, we don't manage to ban anything really because
I think the grocery lobby has so much power. Although
I did ban single use plastic bags, didn't they I
(09:03):
mentioned probably before the election. I reckon probably act or
ended first, or try and bring those back. Seems to
be their lunacy.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh as Marcus been listening to me and this podcast,
how you know, all the policies these days just seemed
to be about unwinding existing things and going back to
the good old days.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I don't know that we should bring classic bags back,
although I did try. I was complaining to Mike asking
about how when it comes to coating meat with seasonings
or green crumbs, all that sort of thing I used
to you know, the best way to do it was
to put it all on a paper in a plastic
bag rather and jiggle it around in the plastic bag,
you know, for your crumbed first or your seasoned chicken
(09:51):
or whatever. And now I just don't have plastic bags,
so I can't do that. And then I've tried doing
it in a container, and then I got into trouble
because it made the containers dirty, and then the containers
had to be washed, and then Mike I was complaining
about it. Mike Hosking told me that he just uses
one of those glad bags, you know, use the block
(10:11):
flared bags, because you can get those in quite big sizes.
So I did that last night, and then I got
into trouble for that as well, because it's even harder
to clean a glad bag, so you can't just throw
it away. Of course, is that would defeat the whole
purpose of not having plastic bags. I lives so complicated,
news talks it bean. Maybe I'll give an acarup juger goo.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I'll put it in an acaro dug.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Let's finish up with Matt and Tyler's hot mic moment.
For no other reason, I just like saying Matt and
Tyler's hot mic moment.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Now, Yes yesterday, just after you graced us with your
presence on the show, there was a shocking hot mike
incident from Tyler here. Yeah, and we have high levels
of professionalism on the show, so we allegedly we may
struggle to turn our MIC's on before we start talking,
but the least we can do is talk to turn
(11:07):
them off.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
That's for all number one.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
And Tyler dropped a profanity about yourself. Oh yes, okay, yesterday,
and so I'm going to play that hot mike incident
now for you from yesterday.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
To send the seer track a hundred dollars good credit
at a gas station.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You got that one, So I did.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Ordinarily I apologize to the listeners, but yeah, see they
came from a place of love, Jess that you are.
And I'll use some nice language here, cheap as your
good jests, cheap as you're good.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Thank you, Tyler, thank you.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
All the terrible things that Tyler and I say.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I hear.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
That's a pretty good way to come through exactly.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
And you're just a bit salty Matt about me commenting
on your wind passing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Wow, we'll hang on, so the hot mic thing was
a bit of a non event, but then Jess talked
about Matt's farts. Is that what? I don't know what's
going on? Someone who's really going to take a good
look at that. Afternoon showed Kim can we get one
of these managers that it's seen to be floating around
over place?
Speaker 7 (12:13):
So if we can.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Straighten those guys out. I am Glenn hat that has
been newstalks it'd been. We'll be back with more of
this ridiculous stuff tomorrow. See the use.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Talking Talking zid bean for more from News Talk said B.
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Van Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday the AWS Data center. Is
it new or not? We'll try and find out with
Heather shortly banning things. Marcus is pretty hot on that.
And speaking of hot, we've got Matt and Tyler's hot
(00:46):
Mike moment at the end of the podcast. Before any
of that, Yes, unwindening our climate policy. Are we going
against the world or with the world.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
The rest of the world, with the exception of the
United States, still believe in this mirage. And they're the
ones buying our food. And there are also the ones
who will find any way to blacklist our awesome agricultural products. Boy,
the Euros, the Europeans, if they can find a chink
in our armor, they will, They'll say, you can't bring
your butter here. So pulling out of the charade may
(01:17):
see us cutting off our nose despite our face. It
may reduce the compliance costs on our farmers in the
first instance. But what's the point of that if it
makes the rest of the world turn their back on
our milk and butter and meat because they think we're
filthy pollutas so ACT in New Zealand First may think
that this posturing is helping our farmers, but in fact,
(01:38):
maybe it could be penalizing them more if heavily and
maybe ACT in New Zealand First Er are just play
acting this for votes, just as much as the Paris
Climate Accords are play acting for the environment. So look,
let's call this thing for what it is. Say it
doesn't work, But rather than just pulling out a bit
of a flounce, we should be advocating for real change
(02:00):
to the accords and the policies and to actually get
on with helping the environment.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yep, I wholeheartedly agree. Let's fix the environment. That's we
should definitely do that. How to do that, I'm not
quite so clear news talk ze been. I'm also not
entirely convinced just because we can't single handedly fix it
that we shouldn't try. I bind you. I have said
(02:26):
that quite a lot over the last few days. Is
anybody who listened to me? Are you listening to me?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
We're small, quite loud, you know, there would be some
people around the world who would have heard of us,
So if we're made an example of, it would only
hurt us. Nobody else would care. Furthermore, Christopher Luxan says
that New Zealand has taken farming out of the ets
(02:52):
the emissions trading scheme and promises there'll be announcement on
methane targets in the very very near future. So where
do you stand on this one? I'd really love because,
as far as I'm aware, farming as an industry and
farming as a science is constantly working to improve efficiencies
(03:18):
in the way they do things. Our scientists and our
og researchers are working over time to try and bring
down any harmful gases caused in the manufacture of food.
Farmers are implementing all sorts of measures, and if they don't,
they're off the books. They are no longer clients of
(03:38):
places like Fonterra, So you have to meet really high
standards before you can consider yourself a farmer in the
modern age. I would have thought farming as an industry
understood the global realities, given that they are a major
global player.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh boy, boy, boy, we just need to keep going
around around in circles on this ka. Once again, I'm
going to commend to you a book by Kim Stanley
Robinson called Ministry for the Future. It's climate science fiction.
It sounds interesting, doesn't It sounds like the most boring
thing I could possibly recommend to you. But anyway, I
thought it was a very good book, and it's actually
(04:18):
full of interesting ideas on how to fix the climate.
And as Kerry was alluding to, just there, sometimes you
actually have to make it make economic sense for people
to make actual changes and rather than and so if
everybody is following a bunch of rules, even if you
(04:39):
think the rules are stupid, and then they won't buy
your stuff if you don't follow those rules, then it
makes economic sense for you to follow those rules. I
guess we're just going to make sure that those rules
are actually the right rules. That's where it gets a
bit murky.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You talk siban.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Nothing's ever straightforward, is it. So? You know, Amazon massive
data center bringing lots of money into the economy, apparently
creating jobs. Let's not get bogged out in the details.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
The thousand jobs that Amazon now tells us that they're
supporting also looks questionable. It looks like they've included people
who already work in the electricity sector, and some say
the real number is more likely a few dozen jobs.
Amazon's not building anything. All the data centers they tell
us are now live have actually been built by other companies,
which means that you could argue that they haven't actually
(05:29):
added anything material to the New Zealand economy, because if
they didn't use those existing data centers, someone else would
just to be using those existing data centers. In fact,
you could argue that Amazon running those data centers is
actually not the best outcome for New Zealand because Amazon
does not pay tax on all of their revenue here,
which means if another local company use those data centers
(05:50):
and paid full tax like they do, we'd all be
better off. We'd be better off than Amazon using the
centers and then sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas
like Google and Facebook do.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Being critical of that announcement by Amazon yesterday is not
the same as being ungrateful for the good that they're doing.
I think you should in tear gate an announcement just
a little bit more than simply taking it at face value,
because that is what Amazon wants you to do. They
want to play us for fools. They want to make
us believe that they're doing good when what they're actually
doing is just making money of us.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And that's fair.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I don't mind them making money off us. They're a business,
we're customers. But let's see it for what it is.
Let's not be grateful for them doing business. I still
like Amazon's product, but to be honest with you, like
a little bit less than I did yesterday when they
assumed that this country was full of stupid people who
would just simply believe anything.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So when this was happening the other day because they
were doing the big excident launch of it, and the
primister mentioned it on the My Asking breakfast, and then
one of our managers, Gosha, has seen to be so
many managers these days, they must be going, all right,
(06:57):
more managers you have than that's the sign that you're
doing well, Your business is going well. I don't know
what they all do anyway. One of them comes in
and says, this is not new, this story this is
who cares whether it's new or not new. It's happening,
isn't it Like I said, let's not get bogged in
the details. Let's not find a reason to hate on
(07:19):
Amazon or anybody else for that better. Let's just get
on with it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So it looks like they might be banning energy drinks
in the UK. Is this sort of a cultural shift,
the culture of banning things.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
From time to time there's discussion about things we should ban,
like they ban cell phones at schools. I'll tell what
the Brits are doing in the UK. This has been
announced today in the UK. Under sixteens in England will
be banned from buying energy drinks such as Red Bull
and Monster because they fuel a beast. He caused sleep
problems and leave them unable to concentrate. Health experts, teaching
(07:59):
unions and dentist welcome the bands so that it would
boost children and young people's health. It fulfills a pledge
Labor included it's manifesto for last year's general election. Energy
drinks might seem harmless, but the sleep, concentration of well
being of today's kids are all being impacted, while high
sugar versions damage their teeth and contribute to obesity. Shops,
(08:21):
cafe restaurants and websites will be prohibited from selling energy
drinks containing more than one fifty MiGs of caffeine per lad.
Anyone under sixteen, Red, Bill, Monster, Relentless and Prime will
all be affected. Is that something New Zealand should look at.
How much of a problem are energy drinks for children's
(08:42):
on about tonight's If you want to talk about that,
that's a bit of a topic. Shift to that one
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I mean basically in
New Zealand, we don't manage to ban anything really because
I think the grocery lobby has so much power. Although
I did ban single use plastic bags, didn't they I
(09:03):
mentioned probably before the election. I reckon probably act or
ended first, or try and bring those back. Seems to
be their lunacy.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh as Marcus been listening to me and this podcast,
how you know, all the policies these days just seemed
to be about unwinding existing things and going back to
the good old days.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I don't know that we should bring classic bags back,
although I did try. I was complaining to Mike asking
about how when it comes to coating meat with seasonings
or green crumbs, all that sort of thing I used
to you know, the best way to do it was
to put it all on a paper in a plastic
bag rather and jiggle it around in the plastic bag,
you know, for your crumbed first or your seasoned chicken
(09:51):
or whatever. And now I just don't have plastic bags,
so I can't do that. And then I've tried doing
it in a container, and then I got into trouble
because it made the containers dirty, and then the containers
had to be washed, and then Mike I was complaining
about it. Mike Hosking told me that he just uses
one of those glad bags, you know, use the block
(10:11):
flared bags, because you can get those in quite big sizes.
So I did that last night, and then I got
into trouble for that as well, because it's even harder
to clean a glad bag, so you can't just throw
it away. Of course, is that would defeat the whole
purpose of not having plastic bags. I lives so complicated,
news talks it bean. Maybe I'll give an acarup juger goo.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I'll put it in an acaro dug.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Let's finish up with Matt and Tyler's hot mic moment.
For no other reason, I just like saying Matt and
Tyler's hot mic moment.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Now, Yes yesterday, just after you graced us with your
presence on the show, there was a shocking hot mike
incident from Tyler here. Yeah, and we have high levels
of professionalism on the show, so we allegedly we may
struggle to turn our MIC's on before we start talking,
but the least we can do is talk to turn
(11:07):
them off.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
That's for all number one.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
And Tyler dropped a profanity about yourself. Oh yes, okay, yesterday,
and so I'm going to play that hot mike incident
now for you from yesterday.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
To send the seer track a hundred dollars good credit
at a gas station.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You got that one, So I did.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Ordinarily I apologize to the listeners, but yeah, see they
came from a place of love, Jess that you are.
And I'll use some nice language here, cheap as your
good jests, cheap as you're good.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Thank you, Tyler, thank you.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
All the terrible things that Tyler and I say.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I hear.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
That's a pretty good way to come through exactly.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
And you're just a bit salty Matt about me commenting
on your wind passing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Wow, we'll hang on, so the hot mic thing was
a bit of a non event, but then Jess talked
about Matt's farts. Is that what? I don't know what's
going on? Someone who's really going to take a good
look at that. Afternoon showed Kim can we get one
of these managers that it's seen to be floating around
over place?
Speaker 7 (12:13):
So if we can.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Straighten those guys out. I am Glenn hat that has
been newstalks it'd been. We'll be back with more of
this ridiculous stuff tomorrow. See the use.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Talking Talking zid bean for more from News Talk said B.
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
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