July 16, 2025 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) We'll Do Anything for a Decent Sleep/Our Roads Are Weird/Rewinding Education/Why Is the U.N. So Left?/Game-based Warfare
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Harton. We are
looking back at Wednesday and we need to talk about
how dangerous our roads are in the wake of a
nasty crash with tragic results. Some speaking of results, some
NCAA results have come out. It's not the big one.
(00:46):
It's the sort of a some kind of how you're
getting on kind of progress test I think. Anyway, it's
good news. Apparently David Seymour has taken on the un
before Winston Peter's good and then how much should we
be spending on our military on defense? But before any
of that, a bit of a ferrari over sleep supplements,
(01:08):
melotone in particular, now that you can just sort of
fide over the counter at the pharmacy because Kii Rail
have said I'm sorry that you if you're taking it,
we're not letting you do the Kii Rail at least.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
With the zyperclone, I'm guaranteed five hours sleep. I take it.
To at least six hours before I go to bed,
wake up in the morning, your head just sleep. You
can go to work, do your shift, and then come
home and crash out in the afternoon and ketch up
on the rest of the seven and a half hours
that you kind of need every day.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Do you get the metallic taste in your mouth, Sundra
that some people get with the Zopper Clone.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I've learned to drop it right down the back of
my tongue, and yeah, it's not a problem.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, because every time I've taken Zopper Clone, and I
used to take it when I was flying a lot,
I'd wake up with incredibly dry mouth. It's horrific metal,
metallic taste in my mouth, and I wouldn't really feel refreshed.
It was a very strange kind of sleep. You'd been
knocked out, the time had passed, but you didn't really
feel that onto. It is that your experience.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I only to ever take it half. You can't take
a whole one, So I only ever take a half,
and I feel better if I have it than what
I would if I've only had three hours sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the I guess an eight.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Hour shift after three hours hours of sleep. It's really
not safe.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Do you get the stress because if I've got something
important on and I need to sleep, I'm just lying.
You're going You've got to sleep. What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
You've got to sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
This is a disaster, absolutely, and I guess that the
z opperplane deals with that.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, I am on a pill. I take two pills
actually at night because I've got complex nerve pain apparently,
so it takes care of the pain, but it also
helps me go to sleep. And funnily enough, the more
I concentrate on the fact that I just taking those pills,
the quicker I go to sleep. So I'm wondering if
(03:06):
the pills actually do anything at all. It's just giving
me something to think about.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
News talk ze been.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Anyway, Nobody here is ever asked me, are you taking something?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The OLB you sleep?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And if you are, don't come to work. Otherwise these
podcasts wouldn't be happening, probably right. So, Yeah, tragic crash
mother and two children. Is this a sign that our
roads just aren't for purpose?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
There are stretches of road that New Zealanders drive that
are completely and utterly unforgiving. You make one small mistake,
and humans do. We're not robots, and even they make mistakes.
If you look at the automated cars, a moment of distraction,
one small mistake, and the consequences are absolutely devastating. Because
(03:59):
the roads are unforgiving. Many of them are still the
goat tracks that they once were, just had a bit
of metal put on them and call them a highway.
At what point do you get a road engineered again?
(04:19):
It probably comes back to the resource management and the
RMA and the problems we have with getting permission to
reconfigure roads around the country to try and improve them
(04:41):
to mitigate against any kind of driver error. You would think, though,
in the case of the woman who emailed me, that
putting a barrier up on the corner to stop a
car leaving the road barreling into a house for the
third time, then surely a barrier fence wouldn't be a
(05:03):
huge cost of ratepayers of fun at a.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
There's something's going wrong somewhere. There's a lot of road
cones that everybody's always complaining about on roads that seem
to be fine. This is going from the guy who
once again everybody was forced into a single lane on
the harbor bridge this morning for no apparent reason whatsoever,
with about I'm going to guess about at least two
kilometers worth of road cones. And meanwhile, you've got these
(05:27):
other roads that you kind of just about disappears into
the potholes on. Something's gone wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
You'se talk side, right.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So we've been angstying and handwringing and moaning and wailing
and gnashing our teeth over how poorly educated our kids are.
But now we've got some results back and it turns
out the teachers are teaching better. How's that happened?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And I'm not saying this is a particular party, It's
just governments of all stripes. All of this on the
advice of Boffin's at the Ministry of Education, by the way,
who clearly have never stepped foot in an actual classroom.
Now the Minister says they've done some actual research and
realized terrible idea. Listen to Erica Stamford politely describe how
(06:13):
schools are coping right now with these classrooms, these barnyard classrooms.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
There are schools who still have them, and they operate
in them to the best they possibly can. They've trained
their teachers to work in them. They've got really good acoustics.
They're teaching children at different levels, so some up and chairs,
some on the floor to reduce the noise, and are
doing the best they can.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Kids sitting on the floor to learn because of acoustic
issues in a classroom is the dumbest thing I think
I've heard from our education system. Well second dumbest behind
teaching them fluff. I mean, and they're on the floor
and you're teaching them the wrong stuff. It's a recipe
for disaster. So the reality is we can't solely blame
(06:54):
our kids for their failure to learn. We can also
blame some pretty ill informed and ideologically driven experiments by
the Ministry of Education. You have to save the unions
and clearly some politicians.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Look, I'm going to keep saying this because I am
about a million billion years old, right, And when I
was at school, like I was in space five and
it wasn't a room, I mean, it was part of
a room.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
We had.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
This is not a new phenomenon in the open playing classroom.
And look at me. I turned out so well. If
I just proved the opposite point, maybe.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
David Seymour has taken on the United nations. I wonder
who's going to win there.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
David Seymour obviously took offense at one such report, and
in a fit of peak Lake one night, drunk on
the power of being Deputy Prime Minister, fired off an
angry letter signed grumpy of Ebsom to the UN. That's
obviously not his job, and it's right that he's been
told off about it. But that is about that in
the story. It's caused a minutor amongst the coalition partners
because of process and pecking order, but it's not the
(08:04):
major crack in the coalition that some claim, and don't
worry about the so called international embarrassment because the world
has a lot more to be embarrassed and worried about,
rather than some that will report by an arm of
the UN that criticizes one piece of legislation in a
very small country globally. So chill out about the UN
other than how much it costs us. But chill out
(08:26):
about them. They're not the boss of us. They're not
the boss of anyone, and that is their biggest problem
in getting anything tangible done.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
When you sort of step back and look at all
this objectively, it is weird that it often seems to
be what the UN's here is versus kind of conservative
politicians in various different countries. And given that the UN
is made up of, you, like, a bunch of nations,
and we keep being told that there's been a massive
(08:54):
swing to the right generally around the world, isn't it
weird that the UN still seems to be kind of
a bunch of lefty liberals that make conservative politicians upset
all the time. So yeah, sometimes I do wonder if
the world is skewed quite as right as we've been told. Clearly,
(09:17):
it's certainly mony man.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
News talk been.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Of course, the countries of the world have been told
that they're not spending enough on defense and that they've
been letting America look after them for far too long.
What does that mean for us?
Speaker 9 (09:31):
And it's a sort of it's a slightly serious topic.
It's not something I'd normally venture into because it's contentious,
and it is contentious and feelings run high on it.
(09:52):
And what I wouldn't mind discussing is the future of
our military. And I say this because I think we're
expected to increase our spend as a percentage of our
GDP up to five percent I think from two percent
(10:13):
something like that, and this is pressure from America. But
having spent some time today reading about the intricacies of
the Russia Ukraine war and the fact that that's almost
become a stalemate. The reason it's become a stalemate is
because the Ukraine have very quickly pivoted to getting started
(10:42):
with big young tech entrepreneurs who have given up their
own business and got involved with the military. And they
are very much involved with designing and building, mainly using
three D printers extremely cheap drones, which have had remarkable
success with and they've been all over well not all,
(11:08):
but they certainly have had much greater success than you
could imagine after they've been up against the huge amount
of Russia. So the new form of warfare or combat
appears to be all about drones and AI.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You're sort of a video game based thing these days,
isn't it. And I mean, I know that our gaming
industry is going from strength to strength, so maybe they
can transfer some of those skills across and we should
probably maybe we should need to spend less money on
those sort of six wheeled vehicles that tip outside down
(11:46):
if they go into a ditch and more money on
Marcus's drones and AI who doesn't love drones?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And AI.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
John Connor he didn't love them. I don't know. It's
a deep terminator cut there. I am lean Hart. I'll
be back here making more outdated movie references tomorrow. SU
then News.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Talk Talking zid bean for more from News Talk zed B.
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Harton. We are
looking back at Wednesday and we need to talk about
how dangerous our roads are in the wake of a
nasty crash with tragic results. Some speaking of results, some
NCAA results have come out. It's not the big one.
(00:46):
It's the sort of a some kind of how you're
getting on kind of progress test I think. Anyway, it's
good news. Apparently David Seymour has taken on the un
before Winston Peter's good and then how much should we
be spending on our military on defense? But before any
of that, a bit of a ferrari over sleep supplements,
(01:08):
melotone in particular, now that you can just sort of
fide over the counter at the pharmacy because Kii Rail
have said I'm sorry that you if you're taking it,
we're not letting you do the Kii Rail at least.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
With the zyperclone, I'm guaranteed five hours sleep. I take it.
To at least six hours before I go to bed,
wake up in the morning, your head just sleep. You
can go to work, do your shift, and then come
home and crash out in the afternoon and ketch up
on the rest of the seven and a half hours
that you kind of need every day.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Do you get the metallic taste in your mouth, Sundra
that some people get with the Zopper Clone.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I've learned to drop it right down the back of
my tongue, and yeah, it's not a problem.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, because every time I've taken Zopper Clone, and I
used to take it when I was flying a lot,
I'd wake up with incredibly dry mouth. It's horrific metal,
metallic taste in my mouth, and I wouldn't really feel refreshed.
It was a very strange kind of sleep. You'd been
knocked out, the time had passed, but you didn't really
feel that onto. It is that your experience.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I only to ever take it half. You can't take
a whole one, So I only ever take a half,
and I feel better if I have it than what
I would if I've only had three hours sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the I guess an eight.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Hour shift after three hours hours of sleep. It's really
not safe.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Do you get the stress because if I've got something
important on and I need to sleep, I'm just lying.
You're going You've got to sleep. What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
You've got to sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
This is a disaster, absolutely, and I guess that the
z opperplane deals with that.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, I am on a pill. I take two pills
actually at night because I've got complex nerve pain apparently,
so it takes care of the pain, but it also
helps me go to sleep. And funnily enough, the more
I concentrate on the fact that I just taking those pills,
the quicker I go to sleep. So I'm wondering if
(03:06):
the pills actually do anything at all. It's just giving
me something to think about.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
News talk ze been.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Anyway, Nobody here is ever asked me, are you taking something?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The OLB you sleep?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And if you are, don't come to work. Otherwise these
podcasts wouldn't be happening, probably right. So, Yeah, tragic crash
mother and two children. Is this a sign that our
roads just aren't for purpose?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
There are stretches of road that New Zealanders drive that
are completely and utterly unforgiving. You make one small mistake,
and humans do. We're not robots, and even they make mistakes.
If you look at the automated cars, a moment of distraction,
one small mistake, and the consequences are absolutely devastating. Because
(03:59):
the roads are unforgiving. Many of them are still the
goat tracks that they once were, just had a bit
of metal put on them and call them a highway.
At what point do you get a road engineered again?
(04:19):
It probably comes back to the resource management and the
RMA and the problems we have with getting permission to
reconfigure roads around the country to try and improve them
(04:41):
to mitigate against any kind of driver error. You would think, though,
in the case of the woman who emailed me, that
putting a barrier up on the corner to stop a
car leaving the road barreling into a house for the
third time, then surely a barrier fence wouldn't be a
(05:03):
huge cost of ratepayers of fun at a.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
There's something's going wrong somewhere. There's a lot of road
cones that everybody's always complaining about on roads that seem
to be fine. This is going from the guy who
once again everybody was forced into a single lane on
the harbor bridge this morning for no apparent reason whatsoever,
with about I'm going to guess about at least two
kilometers worth of road cones. And meanwhile, you've got these
(05:27):
other roads that you kind of just about disappears into
the potholes on. Something's gone wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
You'se talk side, right.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So we've been angstying and handwringing and moaning and wailing
and gnashing our teeth over how poorly educated our kids are.
But now we've got some results back and it turns
out the teachers are teaching better. How's that happened?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And I'm not saying this is a particular party, It's
just governments of all stripes. All of this on the
advice of Boffin's at the Ministry of Education, by the way,
who clearly have never stepped foot in an actual classroom.
Now the Minister says they've done some actual research and
realized terrible idea. Listen to Erica Stamford politely describe how
(06:13):
schools are coping right now with these classrooms, these barnyard classrooms.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
There are schools who still have them, and they operate
in them to the best they possibly can. They've trained
their teachers to work in them. They've got really good acoustics.
They're teaching children at different levels, so some up and chairs,
some on the floor to reduce the noise, and are
doing the best they can.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Kids sitting on the floor to learn because of acoustic
issues in a classroom is the dumbest thing I think
I've heard from our education system. Well second dumbest behind
teaching them fluff. I mean, and they're on the floor
and you're teaching them the wrong stuff. It's a recipe
for disaster. So the reality is we can't solely blame
(06:54):
our kids for their failure to learn. We can also
blame some pretty ill informed and ideologically driven experiments by
the Ministry of Education. You have to save the unions
and clearly some politicians.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Look, I'm going to keep saying this because I am
about a million billion years old, right, And when I
was at school, like I was in space five and
it wasn't a room, I mean, it was part of
a room.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
We had.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
This is not a new phenomenon in the open playing classroom.
And look at me. I turned out so well. If
I just proved the opposite point, maybe.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
David Seymour has taken on the United nations. I wonder
who's going to win there.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
David Seymour obviously took offense at one such report, and
in a fit of peak Lake one night, drunk on
the power of being Deputy Prime Minister, fired off an
angry letter signed grumpy of Ebsom to the UN. That's
obviously not his job, and it's right that he's been
told off about it. But that is about that in
the story. It's caused a minutor amongst the coalition partners
because of process and pecking order, but it's not the
(08:04):
major crack in the coalition that some claim, and don't
worry about the so called international embarrassment because the world
has a lot more to be embarrassed and worried about,
rather than some that will report by an arm of
the UN that criticizes one piece of legislation in a
very small country globally. So chill out about the UN
other than how much it costs us. But chill out
(08:26):
about them. They're not the boss of us. They're not
the boss of anyone, and that is their biggest problem
in getting anything tangible done.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
When you sort of step back and look at all
this objectively, it is weird that it often seems to
be what the UN's here is versus kind of conservative
politicians in various different countries. And given that the UN
is made up of, you, like, a bunch of nations,
and we keep being told that there's been a massive
(08:54):
swing to the right generally around the world, isn't it
weird that the UN still seems to be kind of
a bunch of lefty liberals that make conservative politicians upset
all the time. So yeah, sometimes I do wonder if
the world is skewed quite as right as we've been told. Clearly,
(09:17):
it's certainly mony man.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
News talk been.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Of course, the countries of the world have been told
that they're not spending enough on defense and that they've
been letting America look after them for far too long.
What does that mean for us?
Speaker 9 (09:31):
And it's a sort of it's a slightly serious topic.
It's not something I'd normally venture into because it's contentious,
and it is contentious and feelings run high on it.
(09:52):
And what I wouldn't mind discussing is the future of
our military. And I say this because I think we're
expected to increase our spend as a percentage of our
GDP up to five percent I think from two percent
(10:13):
something like that, and this is pressure from America. But
having spent some time today reading about the intricacies of
the Russia Ukraine war and the fact that that's almost
become a stalemate. The reason it's become a stalemate is
because the Ukraine have very quickly pivoted to getting started
(10:42):
with big young tech entrepreneurs who have given up their
own business and got involved with the military. And they
are very much involved with designing and building, mainly using
three D printers extremely cheap drones, which have had remarkable
success with and they've been all over well not all,
(11:08):
but they certainly have had much greater success than you
could imagine after they've been up against the huge amount
of Russia. So the new form of warfare or combat
appears to be all about drones and AI.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You're sort of a video game based thing these days,
isn't it. And I mean, I know that our gaming
industry is going from strength to strength, so maybe they
can transfer some of those skills across and we should
probably maybe we should need to spend less money on
those sort of six wheeled vehicles that tip outside down
(11:46):
if they go into a ditch and more money on
Marcus's drones and AI who doesn't love drones?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And AI.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
John Connor he didn't love them. I don't know. It's
a deep terminator cut there. I am lean Hart. I'll
be back here making more outdated movie references tomorrow. SU
then News.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Talk Talking zid bean for more from News Talk zed B.
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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