November 17, 2024 • 12 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
My beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean In the
weeking edition, first of yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart.
And you don't just get yesterday, you get Saturday as well,
because it's the weekend edition. Self evident. Really the abuse
and kier apology. What happens next? Where do we go
from here? The All Blacks sort of fizzled out at
(00:43):
the end, and they is a bit disappointing. Former All
Black Andy Allis talks about what it takes to move
a house, not move house, move a house, and Tim
Southy is well, is he a former black cat? Now?
I guess he is. But before any of that, ah, yes,
the Treaty Principles Bill, what a lot of the lava you.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Have described this ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Look at your speech in handside there is that most
racist piece of legislation in one hundred years.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Well, look, you know in that speech actually ran over
a number of other peoples of racist legislation which you
know is prohibited speaking Martian schools, prohibited traditional marti practices,
confiscated land and everything, but none of those actually did
what this bill does, which, look, it's essentially to gut
(01:35):
the treaty, is to rewrite the very agreement that the
Crown and Marty struck back in eighteen forty. And it's
truly extraordinary that we're contemplating this. What frustrates me is
we've got to a pretty good place. You know, there's
a odd kussle and disagreement and so on, but we
were doing pretty well, and all of a sudden, David
(01:55):
Siemil comes up and said, oh, you know, I don't
really like how that's panning out. Let's rewrite it in
such a radical way that it doesn't actually mean what
was written down in the original treaty. You just can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It's really hard to keep track of who's being racist,
because you've got one bunch of people says certain policies
are racist because they favor certain ethnicities, and then you've
got people who are of those ethnicities saying you're not
(02:29):
looking after us properly, so you're being racist. It feels
like everybody's racist, pretty, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
News talk has it been even.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Murkier as this abusing gear situation. So the government's said
sorry about it.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
We're asked about what some have termed the can of worms.
The inquiry and apology has opened. I was impressed with
Prime Minister Chris Luckson's resolve to deal with it while
acknowledging it will be messy and hard, and that the
government will not satisfy everyone's expectations. But just because if
something is hard doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If
(03:11):
you're in politics and avoid doing something which is so
fundamentally right and moral because it's hard, then please pack
up and go home. For victims waiting for up to
seventy years for redress, I can understand the skepticism about
what comes next. Something tells me, though, that Eric Stanford,
the lead coordination Minister for the government's response to the report,
(03:33):
can do hard things. The Prime Minister, who has read
all three thousand pages of the Royal Commission, reports that
if you want to understand the gravity of what's happened,
go and read a few of the survivors accounts. And
I took his advice and this is what I got
from it. This is not a redress we want to
do half heartedly. Equally, it needs to be done with
some urgency. While the government is hoping to have a
(03:55):
structure and process in place for better financial redress in
the first half of next year, there is also the
challenge of making sure this does not happen again. And
how far the government will go to legislate against abuse
and care will show us how committed they are to
taking responsibility. So let's just do this once. Let's do
this right. Let's do all we can to make sure
(04:16):
it never happens again.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Man, it must be it must be so stressful to
have all this stuff brought up for the victims of
this and to be living it for year after year
after year. It'd be great to be able to move on.
And let's hope they can do that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You talk, all right, So the.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Regular season I think is finally for this as we
move into the second bit of November. I think so,
I think it more orally says, and we managed to
fizzle out at the end.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
What's your initial assessment of the eighty minutes?
Speaker 8 (04:59):
Oh, I think, Hey, poney, Yeah, obviously obviously pretty gutted around,
not quite getting the job done. But at the same time,
I'm pretty proud of some of the the boy put
in and you know, a couple of key moments and
things are different. So that's really disappointing. But you know,
we played some good footy at times and some of
the if it was something to be proud of.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I think what were the key moments for you that
that had the biggest impact on the game.
Speaker 8 (05:26):
There was just a couple of things where we didn't
quite finish off you know, multi phase we had three
or four for you know, three or four and five
and six phases and then we couldn't quite get over
the line and in seven points would have made a
lot of difference in that second half with you know,
spiller pass or not quite get delivery right or a
line out or those sort of little things at the
(05:47):
back end of the game. Was it was massive. So yeah,
obviously the French came out after half time and really accurate,
scored a couple of tries and put us under pressure
and now their big moments and we couldn't quite do
it in the end.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Did you feel like you should have been ahead by
more at halftime?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, probably.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
We got those two tries in the first half and
putt Easier scored one more. Maybe if we're held on
to the ball a little bit longer, so they in
finis to the French, they hang on, they hang in,
and we ran them around and we wanted to make
sure they're type five. Had to work really hard defensively,
and and we did. I think we put some really
good phases that play together and made them really go
(06:29):
to the well around getting up and defending, and they
did it pretty well. But yeah, one or two more
little one more passed a couple of times and hold
onto the ball on one or two more faces. But
that's the game.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And as an hole in there out of the All
Blacks coaching the val yeah, as if onnly like he says,
if only they just succored a few more points for
the one there they use. My level of addrest really
tailed off there once. They wouldn't do a different fun though.
(07:06):
Ah Now, Andy Alice, I'm not sure what his win
last record was as an All Black, but as a
TV presenter on a show about moving houses around on
them from tracks this winning all the way?
Speaker 7 (07:22):
What do you love about this show moving houses? What
did you enjoy the most as you watch these homes
come together?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Literally? Honestly, when I reflect back on some of the
moves we did it. It was always kind of the people.
It was the truck drivers who are amazing. Bloke said,
they're incredibly clever, you know, this kind of number why
I'm mentally, nothing's ever a problem. They can always get
a house and go a certain place. It's amazing. But
(07:51):
also the people that were brave enough to kind of
to do it as well, you know, you know, put
their house on the back of a truck and often
move it into pretty remote locations. Their stories are actually
really fascinating as well. So yeah, I really enjoyed the
meeting all the people that were involved in it, and
I mean, I'll be that moves themselves for pretty pretty
dramatic at.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Times as well.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
Would you move the house?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Absolutely, yeah, no no. After seeing this, it's it's an
amazing way to do it, you know, especially if you're
trying to get a place into somewhere really sort of remote.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, I don't know, I've I kind of I really
loved the idea of a giving one hundred year old villa,
you know, another another hundred years if you will, you know,
because a lot of them are getting moved, moved away
from sites where there's development taking place, and you know,
you can't build some of these beautiful old places that
are full of old native hardwood and you know, beautiful features.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
And so.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
There's a little love loving kid that still needs to
go into them to get them back to their former glory.
But some of the people put on a big shift
and they just came up amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's one of the side effects of driving to work
between three and four a m. Every day. Is that
quite and I'm waved to the side of the road
because some kind of large building is coming along on
(09:18):
the back of the trap. And then they actually hurdle
along sometimes as well. I'd love to know how often
it goes I guess that's what the programs about, isn't it.
When it goes wrong? And then you know he can
actually go in that corner after we've lost the lost
(09:39):
the third bedroom off the side of the house.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There books news talk, has it been all right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
From former All Blacks to newly former black Caps? Tims out.
He's one of those that any of that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
How did you come to this decision that you announced yesterday?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I guess you look at I guess you look
at the what's in front of you. And over the
last last twelve months we've had a number of exciting events.
We've had to tea one day, we'll cut the teacher
and you will c up and then this this chunk
of this chunk of test cricket, which is I guess
three three pinnacle sort of events throughout throughout the last
twelve months, and you sort of you're near the end
(10:17):
of of of these test matches and you sort of,
I guess, reassess things, reassess where you're at, and it
just feels like the times right now to to finish
and what a series to to I guess, finish on
against a great side in England at three three of
my favorite grounds in the world. So yeah, I just
felt right to to finish up at home and Hamilton.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
As you were mulling it over and discussing it, no
doubt with your family and others who whose opinions mean
the most to you, did you consider going on for
a bit longer?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, as you do when you make any decision, your
your wigh up a number of options and and obviously
carrying on was was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was one of them? Or or put.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
On the pin was the other one.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So yeah, you mull over it your way up the pros.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And cons, and you try and I guess come up
with with decision you think's right. And I felt that
this is the right decision now. Also look around and
there's a great group of young bowlers coming through which
I've had the privilege to play alongside and work with,
and I'm excited about about them and watching them keep
(11:26):
taking this keep moving this team forward as well.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Often professional sports people will talk about, you know who
gets hard, very harder to get out of bed in
the morning. Don't know as the s body starts to say, hey,
can you please not in this case? You know, hole
balls A forty k is an hour anymore, please? I
(11:48):
feel like I'm a professional sportsman about to retire some days.
I guess once it takes you so long to get
out of bed, it's time for bed again. When you go,
oh no, it's probably enough. I got the guy who
hasn't here much sleep last night. I amgle in heart
and get along in there for today maybe, and then
(12:10):
I'll see that here again again the same time. It's
not all tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Us talk is talkings it bean for more from News
talk said B. Listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk saied B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk sed B Talk said, Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
My beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean In the
weeking edition, first of yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart.
And you don't just get yesterday, you get Saturday as well,
because it's the weekend edition. Self evident. Really the abuse
and kier apology. What happens next? Where do we go
from here? The All Blacks sort of fizzled out at
(00:43):
the end, and they is a bit disappointing. Former All
Black Andy Allis talks about what it takes to move
a house, not move house, move a house, and Tim
Southy is well, is he a former black cat? Now?
I guess he is. But before any of that, ah, yes,
the Treaty Principles Bill, what a lot of the lava you.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Have described this ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Look at your speech in handside there is that most
racist piece of legislation in one hundred years.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Well, look, you know in that speech actually ran over
a number of other peoples of racist legislation which you
know is prohibited speaking Martian schools, prohibited traditional marti practices,
confiscated land and everything, but none of those actually did
what this bill does, which, look, it's essentially to gut
(01:35):
the treaty, is to rewrite the very agreement that the
Crown and Marty struck back in eighteen forty. And it's
truly extraordinary that we're contemplating this. What frustrates me is
we've got to a pretty good place. You know, there's
a odd kussle and disagreement and so on, but we
were doing pretty well, and all of a sudden, David
(01:55):
Siemil comes up and said, oh, you know, I don't
really like how that's panning out. Let's rewrite it in
such a radical way that it doesn't actually mean what
was written down in the original treaty. You just can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It's really hard to keep track of who's being racist,
because you've got one bunch of people says certain policies
are racist because they favor certain ethnicities, and then you've
got people who are of those ethnicities saying you're not
(02:29):
looking after us properly, so you're being racist. It feels
like everybody's racist, pretty, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
News talk has it been even.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Murkier as this abusing gear situation. So the government's said
sorry about it.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
We're asked about what some have termed the can of worms.
The inquiry and apology has opened. I was impressed with
Prime Minister Chris Luckson's resolve to deal with it while
acknowledging it will be messy and hard, and that the
government will not satisfy everyone's expectations. But just because if
something is hard doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If
(03:11):
you're in politics and avoid doing something which is so
fundamentally right and moral because it's hard, then please pack
up and go home. For victims waiting for up to
seventy years for redress, I can understand the skepticism about
what comes next. Something tells me, though, that Eric Stanford,
the lead coordination Minister for the government's response to the report,
(03:33):
can do hard things. The Prime Minister, who has read
all three thousand pages of the Royal Commission, reports that
if you want to understand the gravity of what's happened,
go and read a few of the survivors accounts. And
I took his advice and this is what I got
from it. This is not a redress we want to
do half heartedly. Equally, it needs to be done with
some urgency. While the government is hoping to have a
(03:55):
structure and process in place for better financial redress in
the first half of next year, there is also the
challenge of making sure this does not happen again. And
how far the government will go to legislate against abuse
and care will show us how committed they are to
taking responsibility. So let's just do this once. Let's do
this right. Let's do all we can to make sure
(04:16):
it never happens again.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Man, it must be it must be so stressful to
have all this stuff brought up for the victims of
this and to be living it for year after year
after year. It'd be great to be able to move on.
And let's hope they can do that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You talk, all right, So the.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Regular season I think is finally for this as we
move into the second bit of November. I think so,
I think it more orally says, and we managed to
fizzle out at the end.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
What's your initial assessment of the eighty minutes?
Speaker 8 (04:59):
Oh, I think, Hey, poney, Yeah, obviously obviously pretty gutted around,
not quite getting the job done. But at the same time,
I'm pretty proud of some of the the boy put
in and you know, a couple of key moments and
things are different. So that's really disappointing. But you know,
we played some good footy at times and some of
the if it was something to be proud of.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I think what were the key moments for you that
that had the biggest impact on the game.
Speaker 8 (05:26):
There was just a couple of things where we didn't
quite finish off you know, multi phase we had three
or four for you know, three or four and five
and six phases and then we couldn't quite get over
the line and in seven points would have made a
lot of difference in that second half with you know,
spiller pass or not quite get delivery right or a
line out or those sort of little things at the
(05:47):
back end of the game. Was it was massive. So yeah,
obviously the French came out after half time and really accurate,
scored a couple of tries and put us under pressure
and now their big moments and we couldn't quite do
it in the end.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Did you feel like you should have been ahead by
more at halftime?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, probably.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
We got those two tries in the first half and
putt Easier scored one more. Maybe if we're held on
to the ball a little bit longer, so they in
finis to the French, they hang on, they hang in,
and we ran them around and we wanted to make
sure they're type five. Had to work really hard defensively,
and and we did. I think we put some really
good phases that play together and made them really go
(06:29):
to the well around getting up and defending, and they
did it pretty well. But yeah, one or two more
little one more passed a couple of times and hold
onto the ball on one or two more faces. But
that's the game.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And as an hole in there out of the All
Blacks coaching the val yeah, as if onnly like he says,
if only they just succored a few more points for
the one there they use. My level of addrest really
tailed off there once. They wouldn't do a different fun though.
(07:06):
Ah Now, Andy Alice, I'm not sure what his win
last record was as an All Black, but as a
TV presenter on a show about moving houses around on
them from tracks this winning all the way?
Speaker 7 (07:22):
What do you love about this show moving houses? What
did you enjoy the most as you watch these homes
come together?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Literally? Honestly, when I reflect back on some of the
moves we did it. It was always kind of the people.
It was the truck drivers who are amazing. Bloke said,
they're incredibly clever, you know, this kind of number why
I'm mentally, nothing's ever a problem. They can always get
a house and go a certain place. It's amazing. But
(07:51):
also the people that were brave enough to kind of
to do it as well, you know, you know, put
their house on the back of a truck and often
move it into pretty remote locations. Their stories are actually
really fascinating as well. So yeah, I really enjoyed the
meeting all the people that were involved in it, and
I mean, I'll be that moves themselves for pretty pretty
dramatic at.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Times as well.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
Would you move the house?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Absolutely, yeah, no no. After seeing this, it's it's an
amazing way to do it, you know, especially if you're
trying to get a place into somewhere really sort of remote.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, I don't know, I've I kind of I really
loved the idea of a giving one hundred year old villa,
you know, another another hundred years if you will, you know,
because a lot of them are getting moved, moved away
from sites where there's development taking place, and you know,
you can't build some of these beautiful old places that
are full of old native hardwood and you know, beautiful features.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
And so.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
There's a little love loving kid that still needs to
go into them to get them back to their former glory.
But some of the people put on a big shift
and they just came up amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's one of the side effects of driving to work
between three and four a m. Every day. Is that
quite and I'm waved to the side of the road
because some kind of large building is coming along on
(09:18):
the back of the trap. And then they actually hurdle
along sometimes as well. I'd love to know how often
it goes I guess that's what the programs about, isn't it.
When it goes wrong? And then you know he can
actually go in that corner after we've lost the lost
(09:39):
the third bedroom off the side of the house.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There books news talk, has it been all right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
From former All Blacks to newly former black Caps? Tims out.
He's one of those that any of that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
How did you come to this decision that you announced yesterday?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I guess you look at I guess you look
at the what's in front of you. And over the
last last twelve months we've had a number of exciting events.
We've had to tea one day, we'll cut the teacher
and you will c up and then this this chunk
of this chunk of test cricket, which is I guess
three three pinnacle sort of events throughout throughout the last
twelve months, and you sort of you're near the end
(10:17):
of of of these test matches and you sort of,
I guess, reassess things, reassess where you're at, and it
just feels like the times right now to to finish
and what a series to to I guess, finish on
against a great side in England at three three of
my favorite grounds in the world. So yeah, I just
felt right to to finish up at home and Hamilton.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
As you were mulling it over and discussing it, no
doubt with your family and others who whose opinions mean
the most to you, did you consider going on for
a bit longer?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, as you do when you make any decision, your
your wigh up a number of options and and obviously
carrying on was was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was one of them? Or or put.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
On the pin was the other one.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So yeah, you mull over it your way up the pros.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And cons, and you try and I guess come up
with with decision you think's right. And I felt that
this is the right decision now. Also look around and
there's a great group of young bowlers coming through which
I've had the privilege to play alongside and work with,
and I'm excited about about them and watching them keep
(11:26):
taking this keep moving this team forward as well.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Often professional sports people will talk about, you know who
gets hard, very harder to get out of bed in
the morning. Don't know as the s body starts to say, hey,
can you please not in this case? You know, hole
balls A forty k is an hour anymore, please? I
(11:48):
feel like I'm a professional sportsman about to retire some days.
I guess once it takes you so long to get
out of bed, it's time for bed again. When you go,
oh no, it's probably enough. I got the guy who
hasn't here much sleep last night. I amgle in heart
and get along in there for today maybe, and then
(12:10):
I'll see that here again again the same time. It's
not all tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Us talk is talkings it bean for more from News
talk said B. Listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
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